Lazy-Rat Packer fan’s 1st round predictions?

[Vincenzo]

You guys know me, a pile of you fellow Packer fans are cooler than ever.

With a week to go lads, please give me your 1st round prediction - and player only.

Here’s mine:

DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa

[Fosco33]

Payton Wilson, LB, NC State

[Joemailman]

Kool-Aid McKinstry - CB - Alabama

[bobblehead]

Cooper makes the most sense if they draft him as a safety. He is big for a CB and a very willing tackler. Iowa product which the team likes. Its hard to predict Gutes brain, but I think DeJean in the first is likely....I also think they will probably trade up a few spots to make it happen.

[George Cumby]

Dejean.

[Patler]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.

[red]

i learned to stop picking favorites a couple years ago

that way, you don't get crushed when they don't draft one of the guys you like

we have zero say in what the team does, we're just a long for the ride. all the mock drafts and research we all do is actually just a giant waste of time

just wait for the team to make its move, and go "ok, i guess thats the guy the team likes"

sure its fun speculating, but its all useless and frustrating in the end

[RashanGary]

i learned to stop picking favorites a couple years ago

that way, you don't get crushed when they don't draft one of the guys you like

we have zero say in what the team does, we're just a long for the ride. all the mock drafts and research we all do is actually just a giant waste of time

just wait for the team to make its move, and go "ok, i guess thats the guy the team likes"

sure its fun speculating, but its all useless and frustrating in the end


I take the same approach, but I do like seeing guys with really good track records. It’s a lot of information to sort through and I think people who succeed at predicting NFL success are pretty talented.

[MadtownPacker]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.TT won a SB trading down so maybe that’s the path to glory. I read this Cooper guy snapped his fibula in practice! Maybe the koolaid chuggers here need to quit listening to ESPN. The 25 pick is almost 2nd pretty much so trade that shit or they might end up taking a QB.

[George Cumby]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.

Hahahahahaha.

Oh, wait..... you're not kidding.

[texaspackerbacker]

I certainly wouldn't say I don't care about the draft, first round and on down. I feel kinda like what red said above, though. The time I remember most when I got really fired up about a Packer first rounder where they took who I really wanted was Jamal Reynolds, and that one didn't end well.

They're gonna take who they're gonna take, never mind what any of us want or predict. I'd rather just do research, etc. after the Packers actually take somebody.

[Patler]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.

Hahahahahaha.

Oh, wait..... you're not kidding.

Actually, I was.
Have I ever given pre-draft opinions about players, or who GB should draft?

I have been of Red's current opinion since long before he saw the light. I spend virtually no time thinking about who they might take and read very little about scouts' opinions until after the draft. Then I read about the 8 to 12 or so actual draft picks they've made and don't worry about the others.

With that background, "Nobody" is the only prediction I can make, and there is a history of them emphasizing the accumulation of midround picks.

[Frozen Tundra]

Cooper makes the most sense if they draft him as a safety. He is big for a CB and a very willing tackler. Iowa product which the team likes. Its hard to predict Gutes brain, but I think DeJean in the first is likely....I also think they will probably trade up a few spots to make it happen.

I think that's the most likely scenario, or at least I like to hope it's most likely. My fantasy is that they trade up into the teens for DeJean. ESPN floats what I thought was a very realistic trade proposal that sends our #25 and #58 to Cincinnati for their #18 and #97, or possibly the same two picks to Indianapolis for their #15 and #97 (which I think is a much worse deal for us, and less realistic than the first proposal).

The Bengals proposal works out great for us, and I think DeJean will still be there at #18. Between #1 and #17, you're probably going to see 5 quarterbacks, at least 2 and likely 3 OT, at least 2 and likely 3 WR, at least 2 and possibly 4 DL/edge, a couple of players who are premium CB, and at least 1 player named Brock Bowers. A very good chance DeJean will still be there.

15? He's almost a certainty to be there. 18? A little less so, but if I had to bet, I'd put money on it. I can't think of another player we have a realistic chance to draft in Round 1 (without breaking the bank) who would have a better chance of making a major difference in the 24 playoff run than DeJean.

History suggests that this is the sort of deal Gute would make, too. In his 6 drafts, Gute has made 10 draft day trades, 4 of them in Round 1 - 3 of those being trade-ups to get the player that he felt was his top priority. This is not Ted Thompson, a man who only made one draft day trade in his life - and that one being a 7th round swap to draft Brett Hundley. As I look at the board, I think a trade up or trade down in the 1st are more likely than not, with a trade up seeming most probable. And this is one that seems like it would make a lot of sense.

[bobblehead]

Actually, I was.
Have I ever given pre-draft opinions about players, or who GB should draft?

I have been of Red's current opinion since long before he saw the light. I spend virtually no time thinking about who they might take and read very little about scouts' opinions until after the draft. Then I read about the 8 to 12 or so actual draft picks they've made and don't worry about the others.

With that background, "Nobody" is the only prediction I can make, and there is a history of them emphasizing the accumulation of midround picks.

Isn't vicariously living through a bunch of athletes a giant waste of time by definition?? As is vicariously living through a GM. But its what we do. We are fans.

Frozen, you are right about Gutes, but your TT description is off. TT traded up for Clay, and often in the middle rounds. He traded back often as well. Gutes is nearly a TT clone to be honest, but he is more aggressive in FA overall. But again, people forget TT signed Pickett, Woodson and Peppers.

[Patler]

Isn't vicariously living through a bunch of athletes a giant waste of time by definition?? As is vicariously living through a GM. But its what we do. We are fans.

Frozen, you are right about Gutes, but your TT description is off. TT traded up for Clay, and often in the middle rounds. He traded back often as well. Gutes is nearly a TT clone to be honest, but he is more aggressive in FA overall. But again, people forget TT signed Pickett, Woodson and Peppers.

TT was often misunderstood, as you suggest. He also signed a number of lesser name free agents who contributed a lot, like Letroi Guion who ended up starting most of the year Raji was injured and Brandon Chiller who was maybe the best coverage LB the Packers have had in a while. Chiller had a very prominent role for a number of years until shoulder and knee injuries pretty much did him in.

When the draft was just two days, he said one time that he felt early R4 picks were very valuable starting the second day, because there was time to reconsider how the draft was going and players maybe overlooked in day 1.

[jklowan]

I think it's a 1st round trade down and Graham Barton is the pick, he just seems like a packer pick, plays all OL positions, probably a guard or RT for us. I would prefer Troy Fautanu if he falls, dude just seems like a nasty piece our O-line has never had, love to see him in Green and gold.

[Joemailman]

I think it's a 1st round trade down and Graham Barton is the pick, he just seems like a packer pick, plays all OL positions, probably a guard or RT for us

If they think he can play Tackle, he's a Packer-type pick. But if not, they haven't drafted an IOL in the 1st round in 30 years.

[RashanGary]

Christian Watsons dad (ex safety) thinks Dejean plays a game like Ed reed. So there’s that.

[Vincenzo]

Christian Watsons dad (ex safety) thinks Dejean plays a game like Ed reed. So there’s that.

That kid seems to be rising!
A couple days ago I read there are 3 teams ahead of us who could use Dejean. You never know.

Keep the predictions coming Packer fans.

[bobblehead]

TT was often misunderstood, as you suggest. He also signed a number of lesser name free agents who contributed a lot, like Letroi Guion who ended up starting most of the year Raji was injured and Brandon Chiller who was maybe the best coverage LB the Packers have had in a while. Chiller had a very prominent role for a number of years until shoulder and knee injuries pretty much did him in.

When the draft was just two days, he said one time that he felt early R4 picks were very valuable starting the second day, because there was time to reconsider how the draft was going and players maybe overlooked in day 1.

I thought I was the only rat who appreciated Brandon Chiller. Its nice to see someone else noticed he was a solid pro.

[bobblehead]

Christian Watsons dad (ex safety) thinks Dejean plays a game like Ed reed. So there’s that.

I said Nick Collins, but I'd "settle" for Ed Reed. He is pretty damn big for a CB at 6'+ and over 200lbs.

[bobblehead]

That kid seems to be rising!
A couple days ago I read there are 3 teams ahead of us who could use Dejean. You never know.

Keep the predictions coming Packer fans.

He seems like a Steeler or Raven pick. We need to get in front of Pitt if we want him.

[Vincenzo]

He seems like a Steeler or Raven pick. We need to get in front of Pitt if we want him.
That’s what I mean bobble, I’m thinking we need to move ahead for this guy.
We need him, we double down with that sexy Xavier McKinney player.

[Vincenzo]

Cooper Dejean, aka Dijon Mustard.
Ahh, brats and Dijon.

[Jaire]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.

I think he trades too. But it's more likely up than down, that is if there's someone Gute really likes. They need quality, not quantity this draft, except the OL which could use a few extra bodies.

And a move up, I think, would be for a tackle (less likely) or CB. So, I'll shoot for the starts and say Quinyon Mitchell is the pick.

[Travisb72]

GB trades #25 and 91 to the Commando’s for #’s 40,67 and 100.
Packers take E Cooper, Beebe and k. Jenkins with their 2nds. C. Bishop, braelen allen, blake Fisher in the 3rd.

[run pMc]

Nobody.

Trades out of the first, and loads up on 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks via several trades both down and up.

I'd be ok with this, especially if some of those R2-4 picks were in 2025, when it's possible there's a better class of S, LB and RB.
Having extra Day 2 picks when they host the draft would be icing on the cake for Mark Murphy.

There simply might not be anyone at 25 who is worthy of a R1 pick and they could get same value plus another pick by trading down.

Then again, I'm always on the trade down bandwagon and think about how fun having something like 6 R2 picks would be.

[Travisb72]

On second thought forget beebe and his short arms
Gimme legette, jenkins and bishop in the 2nd. Colson, Allen and fisher in the 3rd.

[Fritz]

I think he trades too. But it's more likely up than down, that is if there's someone Gute really likes. They need quality, not quantity this draft, except the OL which could use a few extra bodies.

And a move up, I think, would be for a tackle (less likely) or CB. So, I'll shoot for the starts and say Quinyon Mitchell is the pick.

In his pre-draft presser, Guter mentioned he'd love to have thirteen or fourteen picks in this draft, just to increase the level of competition and give the team more chances to find good players.

So we shall soon see.

[bobblehead]

In his pre-draft presser, Guter mentioned he'd love to have thirteen or fourteen picks in this draft, just to increase the level of competition and give the team more chances to find good players.

So we shall soon see.

His brief history is to move up when he feels they are close. He could be blowing smoke, he could be serious, who knows. I would love to move back and end up with 4 2nds and 1 3rd.

[Joemailman]

His brief history is to move up when he feels they are close. He could be blowing smoke, he could be serious, who knows. I would love to move back and end up with 4 2nds and 1 3rd.



Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks

To summarize my last 5 phone calls- everyone is moving up for an OT.

This could be the Packers opportunity to trade down from 25.

[ThunderDan]

This could be the Packers opportunity to trade down from 25.

Except I think if there is an OT available, we are drafting him.

[Joemailman]

Except I think if there is an OT available, we are drafting him.

Maybe. That's a coin flip in my opinion. The OT class is so strong there probably will be one worth drafting at 25.

[Jaire]

Maybe. That's a coin flip in my opinion. The OT class is so strong there probably will be one worth drafting at 25.

I don't see a tackle for Green Bay at 25. I have a hard time seeing them taking Mims or Guyton if they are there. In fact I don't have a clear pick at all for GB at their slot. Should be interesting. I have the Toledo kid just cuz he's the player that could be on the board that they might trade with Seattle for.... trade down is actually looking good if they don't like Cooper. Lot of 2nd round talent in this draft for GB.

[ThunderDan]

Maybe. That's a coin flip in my opinion. The OT class is so strong there probably will be one worth drafting at 25.

Then we are saying the same thing. I think a good OT prospect will be available and we will draft him. So we won't be moving around in the draft in the 1st round.

[Upnorth]

If we can only pick 1 it's Cooper demean.

But he will probably be gone and then it's trade back into 2nd and get a few ol

[Fritz]

Maybe. That's a coin flip in my opinion. The OT class is so strong there probably will be one worth drafting at 25.

After doing the vast amount of research that I always do, I have concluded that Mims and Guyton would be scary selections - Mims because of his injury history, and Guyton for his "Looks like Tarzan..." reputation.

Maybe everybody's moving up to take an OT and Green Bay takes . . . a center.

Or if they do trade back, maybe it's so somebody can get their hands on one of the 'Nix' boys - Bo "Peep" or Michael Pe.

I will be in Detroit for Friday night's portion of the draft, so I would love that scenario one of you posted where GB trades back and has four second-round picks and a third.

[Frozen Tundra]

Maybe. That's a coin flip in my opinion. The OT class is so strong there probably will be one worth drafting at 25.

There'll probably be a few worth drafting at #41, too, for that matter. With tackles this deep, guys who would have been likely 1st-rounders most years will slip well into the 2nd. Most teams who have a strong need for OT will probably get their fill in the 1st, and teams drafting OT in the 2nd will probably be looking more for bargain upgrades and strong depth - not immediate need. We'll have some options in the middle of that round that we wouldn't have most years.

[run pMc]

don't know who the pick is, but I hate it already. FIRW EVRYWUN

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm just not that into the draft this year. I think I'm getting soft.

[Frozen Tundra]

I'm just not that into the draft this year. I think I'm getting soft.


Well, that's maybe a little too much information. I thought this was the forum for talking about football.

Although I do wish you good luck, of course. It happens to a lot guys.

Or so I hear....

[bobblehead]

There'll probably be a few worth drafting at #41, too, for that matter. With tackles this deep, guys who would have been likely 1st-rounders most years will slip well into the 2nd. Most teams who have a strong need for OT will probably get their fill in the 1st, and teams drafting OT in the 2nd will probably be looking more for bargain upgrades and strong depth - not immediate need. We'll have some options in the middle of that round that we wouldn't have most years.

Jordan Morgan and Suamatai (If I spelled it even close) would both be 1sts in most drafts. I expect one will be available when we pick at 41.

[red]

Jordan Morgan and Suamatai (If I spelled it even close) would both be 1sts in most drafts. I expect one will be available when we pick at 41.

according to the giant man crushes so many packer "experts" seem to have on suamatiwhatever, you would think he is the perfect prospect for us

that makes me think, we might not be the only team he would be perfect for

i'm thinking he's the guy that ends up going waaaaay sooner then most people expect like mid to late first

guyton and mimms have giant question marks, i guess. who knows what position barton really plays. and most people seem to think the sun shines out kingsleys ass. he might end up going before those other guys

wouldn't shock me