Official NFL Draft 1st Round Thread

[Joemailman]

1 Chicago (from Carolina)
2 Washington
3 New England
4 Arizona
5 LA Chargers
6 NY Giants
7 Tennessee
8 Atlanta
9 Chicago
10 NY Jets
11 Minnesota
12 Denver
13 Las Vegas
14 New Orleans
15 Indianapolis
16 Seattle
17 Jacksonville
18 Cincinnati
19 LA Rams
20 Pittsburgh
21 Miami
22 Philadelphia
23 Minnesota (from Cleveland thru Houston)
24 Dallas
25 Green Bay
26 Tampa Bay
27 Arizona (from Houston)
28 Buffalo
29 Detroit
30 Baltimore
31 San Francisco
32 Kansas City

[jklowan]

woot woot

[red]

MAKE THE FUCKING PICK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frozen Tundra]

So what's the better network to watch on? Any opinions between ESPN and NFL Network?

[red]

malik nabors spent his whole future signing bouns on a terrible necklace

obviously a very smart guy :crazy:

[red]

So what's the better network to watch on? Any opinions between ESPN and NFL Network?

i have to rely on espn on abc and the interwbs

i got tom grossi on youtube


https://www.youtube.com/live/OuNpnZb_HhA?si=40kl9oeMdC-G1qZi

[red]

no, they should have already been on the clock

[pittstang5]

Ugh, all these Lions - I just threw up in my mouth

[Frozen Tundra]

They're obviously getting some offers; they said they wouldn't consider any trades until they were on the clock. Down to 4 minutes and change now.

[red]

bears take the latest overhyped QB out of USC

[Joemailman]

RIP Caleb Williams. The Bears still suck.

[jklowan]

how many 1's does minny give up o move to 3

[Joemailman]

Caleb Williams

Overview
Williams’ play is highlighted by rare escapability paired with the talent to exploit defenses once the play breaks down. He’s not tall, but he is well-built, with an arm to challenge defenses across the field. He can be a high-impact playmaker on the go or an effective pocket passer when he allows himself to trust his eyes on second and third reads. He can improve his accuracy and placement on intermediate and deep throws, but he’s unlikely to be known for pinpoint accuracy. It is admirable that he looks to keep his eyes up and make throws outside the pocket, but he’ll make things easier on himself early in his pro career by becoming a more decisive scrambler to move the sticks and carry on to the next set of downs. Williams is tremendously talented but often bites off too much responsibility and plays off-schedule. He has a good chance to hit new heights with a surrounding cast he trusts, but greater self-discipline and a well-structured offense might be needed to help him become a quarterback who can elevate a franchise to championship contention.

Strengths
Forced to keep his team in games with high-end production and did so.
Better consistency projected with pro targets who separate.
Rapid-fire transition from fake to throw on RPOs.
Twitchy release helps generate heat on drive throws.
Puts enough pace on the ball to challenge safeties to a variety of spots.
Will reset his pocket to create better throwing angles.
Much improved at getting air under deep throws in 2023.
Touchdown-to-interception ratio of 46:1 in red zone since the start of 2022 season, per Pro Football Focus.
Keeps his eyes and arm alive when leaving the pocket.
Rare talent to feel pressure, escape and extend the play.

Weaknesses
Averse to playing throw-and-catch football on schedule.
Eyes can become sticky and sluggish working through progressions.
Must learn to throw with better anticipation/timing on the NFL level.
Hero-ball mentality creates indecisiveness and inconsistent decision-making.
Disconcerting deep-ball accuracy in QB-friendly offense.
Will throw on the move unnecessarily rather than platform up.
Passes up easy scramble yardage for more challenging throws.

[smuggler]

Drawing this shit out.

[red]

washington selects the next QB they are going to destroy

jayden daniels

[red]

how many 1's does minny give up o move to 3

word is no one is willing to trade with them

[red]

RIP Caleb Williams. The Bears still suck.

its gonna be real funny in a few years if he ends up sucking and fields ends up with a career in pittsburgh

[Joemailman]

Jayden Daniels

Overview
With five seasons of starting experience under his belt, Daniels possesses a rare blend of playmaking talent and command from the pocket. He’s tall but slender, so there will be concerns about durability, considering how often he ran in college. However, teams must also recognize that he has no issues sitting in the pocket and working through progressions as a platform thrower with good mechanics and footwork. Daniels possesses the football intelligence to get himself protected and take care of the football with quality decision-making. He’s an accurate passer over the first two levels and throws with anticipation to slice and dice zone coverages. He had noticeable issues putting deep throws on faster receivers in stride, though. He lacks ideal size and arm talent, but he’s much more capable as a runner and passer than most of the quarterbacks who have moved on to the next level lately. Daniels is positioned to become a very good NFL starter in a spread-based passing attack.

Strengths
Game is marked by command of the field and football intelligence.
Recognizes pre-snap pressure and has a plan to counter it.
Gets everyone on the same page when setting up protection.
Full-field reader with good rhythm through his progressions.
Willing to plant his flag and attack defenses from the pocket.
Maintains passing platform when sliding around the pocket.
Has made footwork as a passer a priority during his career.
Anticipatory thrower with accuracy and feel for attacking zone windows.
Has the running talent to turn scrambles into back-breaking plays.
Has the speed to keep defenses honest with zone-read concepts.

Weaknesses
Slender frame will lead to durability concerns.
Lack of zip creates danger for him outside the numbers.
Will drop his eyes in the pocket to scan for exits.
Below-average push and placement on deep throws.
Substantially more accurate on rollouts than as a scrambling passer.
Has a tendency to fall off of fade throws, leaving them short.

[red]

3 picks, 3 QBs

drake maye to the pats

[jklowan]

maybe here is where Minny gets jj

[Joemailman]

Drake Maye

Overview
Challenging evaluation with top-flight measurables and tools but inconsistencies that create a lower floor. Maye’s size and arm talent jump off the tape immediately. He can make every throw, but he will try to make throws that he shouldn’t have attempted. The gunslinger mentality creates a fearlessness that can turn into interceptions, but it will also allow him to win in tight windows and make splash throws that get crowds (and evaluators) on their feet. He leaves too many throws on the back shoulder or hip and needs to learn when to take some sauce off the throw to make it more catchable. There is an undeniable energy to Maye’s game that can create momentum or turn chaotic when plays come off-schedule for him. The combination of traits and tape make him a boom/bust prospect who might need patient management and coaching to help shepherd him toward his potential.

Strengths
Two years of starting experience and still very moldable.
Two-time team captain with prototypical size and frame.
Ball comes off his hand with tight spiral and good velocity.
Can expedite operation time and release when pressure closes in.
Unquestionable arm talent to connect from challenging angles.
Fearless passer with the guts and arm to whip the ball into tight windows.
Quick pocket climber with discipline to continue searching for targets.
Mobility to slide free of pocket traffic and toughness to go get needed yards.
Showed flashes of the clutch gene during his career.

Weaknesses
Struggles with the chess match against pressure looks.
Inefficient throwing motion creates inconsistencies in accuracy.
Receivers had to chase too many intermediate throws into the turf.
Leaves the ball behind crossing routes and RPO targets.
Can get uncomfortable when initial reads aren’t clear and clean.
Sixteen career interceptions were mostly earned with poor decisions or throws.

[Frozen Tundra]

RIP Caleb Williams. The Bears still suck.

Actually, they may have already started the process of ruining the poor bastard. Bears safety Jaylon Johnson was in tyhe press a month ago, warning Williams to "leave all that Hollywood stuff back in California, and humble yourself when you enter this room. don't be thinking you'lll be telling all these people who've been here for years what's what".

Not that Williams had been high-steppin' or playing the big shot in the media - he hadn't done anything. Johnson just felt it would be important to shoot his mouth off and keep the new quarterback in his place before he was even drafted.

Can you imagine a Packer veteran pulling that crap?

[red]

marvin harrison jr to the cards

everything going as planned so far

[King Friday]

Just like last year…best QB went #2

[Joemailman]

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Overview
Harrison comes from impressive NFL bloodlines and possesses similarities that made his father, Pro Football Hall of Famer Marvin Harrison, special. Harrison can run but isn’t a burner. What makes him tough to handle is his consistent play speed paired with quality salesmanship in his routes. He’s able to uncover no matter where he’s aligned or which part of the field his assignment takes him to, and he is capable of finishing catches in a crowd. Harrison can be sudden while working possession routes, and he’s well qualified to beat any opponent with his ball skills if the battle heads deep. Harrison is a touchdown champ with a variety of ways to excel, and that characteristic figures to follow him into the pros. He has the traits and tools to win in all three phases of the route and on all three levels of the field. He’s a pedigree prospect and a Day 1 starter with high-end production expected.

Strengths

Exceptional production as a high-volume, high-impact target.
Runs routes with threatening pace and is sudden out of breaks.
Good rhythm and body control snapping off comeback routes.
Uses speed changes to create indecisiveness in cornerbacks.
Elite scramble talent to uncover wide open when play breaks down.
Plays with pro feet working his boundary catches.
Highly focused deep-ball tracker with above-average ball skills.
Can make late body adjustments with sudden hands to bring in the catch.
Elegant leap and spin to snatch throws over defender’s heads.

Weaknesses
Room for improvement with release against press.
Allowed grabby coverage too much leeway in disrupting his routes.
Needs better route efficiency without as much stutter-stepping.
Might not have enough blow-by speed to consistently outrun NFL corners.
Had uncharacteristic drops in 2023.

[King Friday]

All the crap I’ve heard trying to hype the other WRs…Harrison is going to be a HOF caliber WR.

[red]

charges take joe alt

and he and his family don't look very happy

ok, there might have been a delay

[Joemailman]

Joe Alt

Overview
Long-limbed team captain with NFL-quality tackle play coursing through his veins. Alt plays a disciplined brand of football, avoiding penalties and working with fluid transitions from entry to sustain to finish as a run blocker. Alt is a capable drive blocker with the foot quickness to play onto the second level. He struggles to bend enough to compensate for his height and ends up playing with waist-bending and forward lean that can hamper his anchor against bull-rushers. Alt has quick hands and outstanding arm extension, promoting his ability to sustain blocks and redirect pass-rushers. He’s a good technician who carries himself with confidence from snap to snap. Alt clearly has the talent to become a Day 1 starter on the left side, but he’ll need to clean up his habit of leaning forward, or he could be in for some bumpy action early on.

Strengths
Father, John Alt, was a Pro Bowl NFL tackle and brother, Mark Alt, was an NHL player.
Creates pre-snap plan for combo blocks and is rhythmic getting from one to two.
Adjusts stride length and footwork to capture first contact with balance.
Maintains feel and keeps feet moving to mirror and ride opponents for block sustain.
Scores early with stiff right hand into rusher’s inside shoulder in pass pro.
Feet are fluid and instinctive to consistently mirror edge-to-edge rush challenges.
Uses arm extension to successfully steer arc runners and inside counters off the track.
Technically sound with good instincts to withstand attacks from twists.

Weaknesses
Gets off the snap with excessive forward lean in an attempt to lower pad level.
Leverage-based opponents can stand and stall drive blocking attempts.
Too much waist-bending and not enough chin-tuck in protection posture.
Beaten by late movement when feet start to sink too deep.
High center of gravity could make it hard to find emergency brakes against NFL power rushers.

[red]

come on giants, take JJ

[Joemailman]

No trades so far. Wonder what Vikings are going to do.

[red]

no need for a QB in new york, we'll just draft another guy for no one to throw to

[King Friday]

Giants wanted Maye. No interest in JJ.

[Joemailman]

Malik Nabers

Overview
Nabers is the next big thing coming out of LSU’s receiver room, with the pure explosiveness and talent to be mentioned in the same breath as former LSU stars starring in the league today. Despite a lack of polish and precision as a route-runner, Nabers’ gliding movements and speed alterations seem to disguise the top-end speed and separation potential that await opposing coverages. He’s a bouncy leaper with the athletic ability to make the impossible catches possible. He tucks away accurate throws and displays the toughness and play strength to fight for tight-window victories over the middle. Nabers will need to address his tendency to track and play deep throws with finesse, or his early advantages will turn into 50/50 battles. He can play all three receiver spots and has the profile to become a productive, high-volume target over all three levels as a potential WR1.

Strengths
Skills and traits needed to produce effectively on all three levels as a pro.
Glides and burns past defenders deep or pushes them into retreat for easy stop routes.
Changes speeds inside the route to tilt defenders off the break point.
Good hand-fighting and post-up talent to win positioning battles against big corners.
Frames up defender to finish contested catches underneath.
Premium leaper with contortionist’s talent for in-air adjustments on jump balls.
Catches off-frame balls with strong, sudden hands.
Has grab-and-go acceleration to catch it short and take it long.

Weaknesses
Runs free into big spaces but needs additional route schooling.
Inconsistent hip sink to snap routes off at crisp angles.
Would benefit from eliminating wasted motion in early phases of the route.
Lackadaisical to capture positioning and stack coverage behind him.

[King Friday]

This is the perfect NY pick…flashy guy who is never going to win shit.

[red]

come on, someone move up to fuck the queens

[Joemailman]

JC Latham

Overview
Bulldozer in human form with the upper- and lower-body power to forcibly evacuate run lanes and instantly upgrade a team’s ground attack. Latham's body type is girthy, and he has elite drive-blocking talent. He has operated in a variety of run schemes but will be an average move blocker both laterally and when climbing to the second level. His pass sets are well-balanced with good initial quickness and active hands. He unleashes lefts and rights and mirrors effectively after contact but gets beaten by inside moves when he over-sets. He has the length and hand strength to shut rushers down but needs to become more comfortable setting diagonally rather than vertically to avoid sinking too deeply into his own pocket. Latham’s size, strength and talent give him a chance to become a heralded right tackle or Pro Bowl-caliber guard.

Strengths
Built like a big NFL guard but protects like an NFL tackle.
Quick into pass sets, maintaining posture and balance through the rep
Syncs feet with active, independent hands for effective mirroring.
Firm inside hand and consistent arm extension help negate rush momentum.
Possesses true knock-back pop with heavy hands and explosive hips.
Turns early advantages into quick knockouts with his furious finishes.
Upper-body power to catch, turn and seal play-side edge setters.
Grip strength allows him to save blocks that start to slip away.

Weaknesses
Average recognition and plan for pre-snap pressure looks.
Opens outside shoulder early and sets too deeply into the pocket.
Beaten inside by over-sets and down the middle by long-armed stick and drive.
Over-sets to speed; can be beaten inside and long-armed.
Can be impatient into first contact as run blocker, causing him to lunge.
Below-average lateral quickness for backside cut-off blocks.
Inconsistent entry angles make it tougher to seal and sustain his work

[King Friday]

Most hyped draft becoming huge snooze fest.

[Frozen Tundra]

Damn.... when Latham picked Goodell up off the ground, I was just screaming at him, "body slam the fucker! piledrive 'im!"

Whole rest of the draft will now be solely about that missed opportunity.

[red]

penix JR goes #8 to the falcons????????

theres the first massive surprise

could the jets take JJ?

[red]

Most hyped draft becoming huge snooze fest.

they always do

[King Friday]

Leave it to the Falcons to make a stupid move. Are they just trying to screw the Vikings at all times?

[Fosco33]

Oh man. Will Vikings take JJ McCarthy?

[Frozen Tundra]

Most hyped draft becoming huge snooze fest.

If the Falcons actually go ahead and take Penix, like they're suddenly talking about, it's going to getg interesting.

Holy shit they did it

[pittstang5]

Ok, now it got interesting.

But somebody's gotta move up to take JJ...Cmon, Damn it, somebody move up.

[King Friday]

Defense doesn’t exist anymore.

[Joemailman]

Michael Penix

Overview
Penix will be a 24-year-old rookie with a history of season-ending injuries at Indiana and impressive production while at Washington. The Huskies’ offensive design helped declutter coverages for Penix, allowing him to throw a higher number of intermediate and deep passes. He plays with smart pocket mobility and a willingness to get rid of the football, which makes it difficult to sack him. His delivery is bundled and his release point is very low, but his monster game against Texas showed flashes of impeccable touch. Penix has plenty of arm but needs to work with more consistent timing between the numbers to eliminate unnecessary contested throws. He’s a pocket passer who was ineffective in 2023 when defenses were able to crank up the heat and make him move his feet. Playing in a shotgun-based spread attack might give him his best chance to succeed, but he needs to prove he can thrive outside of the Washington offense and stay free from injury.

Strengths
Possesses enormous hands to control the football.
Sees pressure creeping up pre-snap and gets himself protected.
Makes sudden transition from his drop to his release.
Slides from pressure and resets to find his platform.
Wrist flick sends it 50-plus yards without much effort.
Has ability to make drive throws with added velocity when needed.
Fearless attacking far-sideline buckets between corner and safety.
Sacked just 31 times over 1,759 career dropbacks, per PFF.

IWeaknesses
Suffered multiple season-ending injuries during his time at Indiana, including tearing his right ACL twice.
Posted 20 TDs and 9 INTs over his final 11 games of the 2023 season.
Forces receivers to break stride on a variety of throws.
Throws with wide-open front side when feet fail to follow his eyes.
Heavily reliant upon receiving talent winning jump balls.
Production/consistency plummet when forced to throw outside the pocket.

[Bretsky]

Listening to GB sports talk has been interesting lately.

Tauscher and Bulage want GB to package their two 2nd round picks to go to 21 and draft DeJean

Wilde and others think there are so many WR's with round 1 talent grade who will be targets and GB doens't need one so they think we could get some great value trading down and moving to top of round 2

[red]

theres a hell of a lot of bald guys in the bears war room

[red]

bears got some offensive weapons

can they coach offense?

[Bretsky]

WOW; if Caleb Williams is the real deal they have some holy shit like receiving talent

[pittstang5]

NFL Tracker is showing Vikings moved up to 10

[Frozen Tundra]

This is a smart move for Atlanta, and a lucky break for Penix. They're one of the very few early teams who can afford to spend as much as a couple of years raising him up right.

[red]

university of washington with 2 top 10 picks

has that ever happened before?

[Joemailman]

Rome Odunze

Overview
A team captain with good size and elite ball skills, Odunze consistently dominated his competition. While most receivers look to open separation windows with speed or route running, Odunze seems to relish jump balls and contested catches. He shines in all aspects of ball skills, including positioning, body control, hand strength, timing and mid-air adjustments. He has a tendency to cruise through routes rather than working with attention to detail and pacing. He was a decorated high school sprinter, so speed should not be an issue in the pros. He’s a high-volume target on the next level that play-callers can utilize to mismatch finesse cornerbacks. Elite ball skills are often the secret sauce for top NFL receivers, so it should not surprise if Odunze is a Day 1 starter who becomes a top-flight WR1.

Strengths
Carries the frame and play strength of an NFL WR1.
Lacks rare speed but should be considered a playmaker.
Good separation talent.
Early eyes on the football to find positioning as quickly as possible.
All-star ball-winner with magnificent body control and acrobatic ball skills.
Brilliant job of bodying defenders and controlling air traffic.
Is going to be too strong and too skilled for some defenders.
Catches with strong, reliable hands away from his frame.

Weaknesses
Rushes through early stages of his double moves.
Upright and gradual into top of the route on comebacks.
Attention to detail is missing from his routes.
Too content taking 50/50 battles rather than operating at top speed.
Room for greater effort as a run blocker.

[Bretsky]

WHICH QB do the VIKES WANT ???

Is Mccarthy really better than Bo Nix ?

[King Friday]

Packers may have their pick of defensive players at 25.

[Bretsky]

Sharon might get his OL help with the next pick

[red]

NFL Tracker is showing Vikings moved up to 10

espn showing it now too

queens have to trade up one spot to get their guy

[jklowan]

What did the jets get to move down one spot?

[red]

Sharon might get his OL help with the next pick

is he even going to be able to play this year

have we heard anything?

[Joemailman]

penix JR goes #8 to the falcons????????

theres the first massive surprise

could the jets take JJ?

Vikings have traded up to 10..They will take JJ.

[Frozen Tundra]

Packers may have their pick of defensive players at 25.

Looking better an better. Or at least cheaper to move up a few spots; they wouldn't have to jump as high to get their premium DB.

[red]

What did the jets get to move down one spot?

probably about a 4th

[red]

gets got a 4th and a 5th and gave up a 6th

[King Friday]

Amazing that it looks like we are going to 12 picks in before a defensive pick is made.

[red]

thats a boy?

[red]

we can include a second to move up at any point now

[Joemailman]

JJ McCarthy

Overview
Enigmatic quarterback lacking the measurables and splash throws associated with early round quarterbacks but possessing elements that require more study and consideration. McCarthy lacks frame thickness and a plus arm. He’s fairly poised in the pocket but is average as a pocket passer. His ball placement and timing need to improve to help mitigate an average operation time due to a windup release. McCarthy doesn’t seek to play out of structure but is fairly consistent at making positive plays when it happens and ramps up his focus late in games and on third downs. He is confident and seems to have the ability to take slights and digest it as competitive fuel. McCarthy should continue to improve as a passer, but he fails to stand out in many of the areas that tend to be predictive of top-level success in the NFL.

Strengths
Plays with a chip on his shoulder and intensifies focus when needed.
Plenty of experience working under center in pro-style passing scheme.
Won’t hesitate to slide and find new launch points when pressure builds.
Adequate ability to locate throwing windows versus zone.
Makes drive throws between defenders with good decisiveness.
Delivers the ball smoothly on rollouts and in scramble mode.
One of the draft’s most efficient quarterbacks operating out of structure.
Toughness to deliver throws when taking a hit and squeeze out extra yards as runner.

Weaknesses
Sluggish getting through progressions and can get stuck on first read.
Modest arm strength might be magnified by windup in his delivery.
Ball placement on tape belies completion percentage on the stat sheet.
Leaves throws behind moving targets, allowing defenders to challenge catches.
Deep balls need to come out quicker and with more air under them.
Timing improved during the season but still crowds receivers to coverage.
Average escapability as a runner when scrambling.

[Fosco33]

My gut says JJ will be a good QB. Fucking Vikings.

[Bretsky]

I am very cool with either Barton or DeJean. Would prefer the DB; not excited about GB trading up.

If one of their guys does not fall into their laps, I hope they trade down

Worried Pittsburg will snag DeJean; he seems like a Pittsburg guy

[King Friday]

Denver would probably love to move down at this point, if GB was interested in moving up.

[red]

My gut says JJ will be a good QB. Fucking Vikings.

5 QBs have been taken so far

history tells us 4 of those will be duds

[Teamcheez1]

My gut says JJ will be a good QB. Fucking Vikings.

Kirk Cousins light. I’m not impressed.

[Bretsky]

Let's ALL go to this F'cking thing next year !

[red]

jets spend a high pick to protect a QB who will only be there for 1 more year at the most

[Joemailman]

OLUMUYIWA FASHANU

Overview
A toolsy two-year starter with loads of potential, Fashanu is still learning to be less mechanical and more instinctive with his play. At this point, he could impose his traits upon most collegiate opponents and stack the deck in his favor. As a pro, he will need to play with better control and more consistent technique to prevent being countered and beaten by NFL talent. There is still room to get bigger and stronger, but he’s already playing with good focus and drive as a run blocker. Issues with footwork and landmarks can be corrected with more coaching. He’s long and has really effective recovery agility to help keep his quarterback clean, but inconsistent pass slides and excessive leaning could make things harder than they need to be early on. Overall, the work ethic, traits and tape make it easier to project Fashanu’s continued improvement into a very good left tackle.

Strengths
Prototypical height/weight/length with proportional mass as left tackle.
Team captain; head coach called him a “high production, low maintenance” guy.
Grip strength can shut down a rush once he gets locked in.
Can swivel open outside half to mirror around the arc and keep the pocket closed.
Uses technique and bend to help stall rush momentum and drop anchor.
Fits up base blocks with good strike, leverage and drive.
Improved fight and strain in power swaps at point of attack from 2022 to 2023.
Controlled lateral slides help cut off moving targets as second-level blocker.
Length is best served as a recovery mechanism to corral leaky opponents.

Weaknesses
Inconsistent slide width creates inconsistent body control in his mirror.
Needs better patience and timing to eliminate lunging with his punch.
Forward lean into rushers will get him countered as a pro.
Must learn to step down to B-gap sooner to protect against T/E twists.
Oversteps landmarks, diminishing leverage and control as run blocker.
Needs to improve footwork/positioning post-contact to improve block finishing.
Struggles to reach back-side cutoffs due to faulty technique off the snap.

[Frozen Tundra]

probably about a 4th

God damn it, rewind isn't working for me on NFL network. But I'm pretty sure the Vikings included 129 in the 4th, and Jets gave back 157 in the 5th and 185 in the 6th.

[red]

Denver would probably love to move down at this point, if GB was interested in moving up.

broncos pick is in

bo nix maybe?

[SkinBasket]

Kool-aid

[King Friday]

That would be quite a reach at 12.

[red]

whats the record for the longest they've gone without a defensive player taken?

[King Friday]

This is it.

[red]

broncos aren't just on the clock asshole

their pick has been in for 10 minutes

bo fucking nix at #12

6 QB's in 12 picks

[jklowan]

wow

[jklowan]

6 qb's and no d yet

[Joemailman]

Bo Nix

Overview
Rare five-year starting quarterback whose play has matured in front of our eyes. Nix displays the accuracy, arm talent and athleticism consistent with today’s brand of pro quarterback. He can be punctual in getting the ball out at the top of his drop or he can work through progressions and beat defenses with second-reaction plays. He throws with good velocity and puts the ball on the money when throwing on the move. Nix has shown great improvement with his pocket poise. He’s capable of moving the sticks as a scrambler or as part of the running game. Some of his gaudy production has been driven by the Oregon offense’s design, but his talent clearly stands out. I’ve harbored bias from watching the overwhelmed version of Nix during his Auburn days, but as the saying goes, “tape don’t lie.” Nix appears more than ready to attack the league with an NFL-caliber skill set.

Strengths
Good pre-snap recognition for expedited post-snap itinerary.
Big hands to manipulate defenses with aggressive pump fakes.
Shows ability to work through options and find what he likes.
Generates quality velocity from a sudden, compact release.
Ball comes out of his hand with good pace and without much effort.
Impressive run-and-rip talent throwing accurately on the move.
Play-extender with arm talent to win with secondary action as passer.
Internal clock and athleticism help him avoid sacks.
Toughness and talent to move the sticks on called runs.

Weaknesses
Nearly 30 percent of his passes in 2023 were thrown behind the line of scrimmage, per Pro Football Focus.
Tends to short-arm throws when blitz is leaking in.
Decision-making can take a hit when he extends the play.
Left easy touchdowns on the field due to overthrows.
Bucket throws will come out a little flat.
Needs to do a better job of throwing receivers away from coverage.

[King Friday]

Broncos will be lucky to win 3 games this year.

[Bretsky]

Is that the last QB that goes in R1 ?

[red]

brock bowers TE to vegas

[Frozen Tundra]

broncos pick is in

bo nix maybe?

Good lord, they did it.

This quarterback frenzy is irrational. Poor Raiders.... up until a half hour ago, they must have been 100% certan they were getting a quarterback tonight.

[red]

Is that the last QB that goes in R1 ?

probably not

but i don't know any of the other QBs by name

[King Friday]

So glad our team isn’t looking to build up on offense at 25. Wow.

[Joemailman]

Brock Bowers

Overview
Prolific pass-catching tight end with a rare blend of acceleration, speed, body control and hands that could breathe new life into a stale NFL offense. Bowers was a high-volume target at Georgia and led the team in receiving yards in all three of his college seasons. He plays with relentless pacing as a route runner, allowing him to beat man coverage. Also, he’s highly effective at exploiting zone pockets for first downs and chunk plays. Bowers’ secret sauce might be his ability to rip through tacklers and pile on yardage after the catch. He’ll be an adequate move blocker and give effort at the point of attack, but that is the one area where his game falls short of George Kittle’s, for comparison purposes. Bowers is an explosive athlete but lacks the premium measurables typically associated with early first-rounders. It might take a year for him to acclimate to defenders who are bigger, faster and longer, but he appears destined to become a highly productive NFL player with Pro Bowl upside.

Strengths
Gets off the snap with good lean and early acceleration.
Capable of getting to his top speed very quickly.
Runs routes with controlled strides and cut-ready footwork.
Preserves play speed and begins to separate when turning routes.
Talent to beat man-cover linebackers on the next level.
Hands-catcher operating with good coordination and technique.
Exceptional toughness and contact balance with the ball in his hands.
Gets hands into proper positioning as a run blocker.

Weaknesses
Needs to become more forceful when fitting up his blocks.
Inconsistent sustaining run blocks in space.
Will need to improve route savvy underneath.
Limited catch radius.
Came out on the wrong side of contested catches in 2023.

[Fosco33]

Let's ALL go to this F'cking thing next year !

For sure.

[Frozen Tundra]

Is that the last QB that goes in R1 ?

Almost has to be. Who else is left? Rattler, a consensus mid-late Day Two? That'd be just completely crazy.

Takes one option away from Green Bay. I figured there'd be a marginal QB still available in the mid-20s, and some team would want to trade up and get him. Pick up a couple more Day Two picks.

Ain't happenin' now.

[red]

still no defense after 14 picks

we could trade up right now and take the best defensive player in the draft

[Joemailman]

Taliese Fuaga

Overview
Beefy right tackle capable of playing at a high level despite his lack of ideal pad level and lower-body bend. Fuaga plays with a fairly aggressive disposition. He’s a one-pop blocker who struggles to clinch into his run blocks and is therefore forced to work overtime to sustain and finish. The pass protection technique is outstanding, and he possesses the athleticism to mirror and match edge-to-edge rush movements. Fuaga’s hand work is exceptional in pass pro and will need to remain so, because of his lack of desired range for recovering when beaten. A team could slide him to guard to improve its interior protection, but he’s best-suited at right tackle, where he should become a good starter.

Strengths
Glides into pass sets with controlled slides, ready hands and quiet upper body.
Throws stiff right-left combinations, creating disruption for rusher.
Hands are highly active through the rush, helping to keep opponent centered.
Mirrors with fluidity, with little to no stall when changing direction.
Flashes ability to dig in with leveraged hand strikes at point of attack.
Gathers and adjusts his track to make his blocks in space.
Smooth and accurate when working from block to block.

Weaknesses
Pops up tall off the snap and gets behind in back-side cutoffs.
On first contact, tends to hit and bounce rather than hit and stick.
His run blocking is much less organized and technical than his pass blocking.
Doesn’t have the range in pass sets to succeed when tardy out of his stance.
Occasional issues allowing weight to slide too far out on outside foot.
Washington had some success beating his outside hand and trimming the edge.

[Frozen Tundra]

So, here comes the "Tackle Phase" of the 1st Round.

[King Friday]

Don’t think we should move back at this point. A very good defensive player will be there.

[Frozen Tundra]

Man, the Jets stared the Vikings down and made them believe someone else was on the phone wanting #10.

May even have been the truth, but considering that it's the Vikings I hope it isn't. And they got pantsed.

For all we know, Joe Douglas texted his wife and told her "call me on this number and stay on the line; we can even argue about the new carpet in the living room. Just stay on the line so I can humiliate the Vikings."

[Frozen Tundra]

Don’t think we should move back at this point. A very good defensive player will be there.

Yeah. We'll get our DB for sure at this rate, and it may very well even be DeJean.

[King Friday]

A lot of smart drafting teams coming up. They all seem content to wait and load up on good defenders. Saints and Colts ain’t hearing the phones ring.

[red]

finally a d player at #15

liauliaio lautuao

[Rastak]

Good evening guys. I obviously don't watch the draft like I used to. McCarthy to the Vikes is so-so. At least they retained their second first.

[Joemailman]

Laiatu Latu

Overview
Latu possesses the kind of rare maturity to his game that you usually see from NFL veterans. He rarely stays blocked by tackles as a run defender and dominates blocking tight ends on the collegiate level. His pass-rush approach is both well conceived and instinctive, and he’s brilliant at taking possession of the rep using clever hands and slippery angles to pry open opportunities. His eyes play beyond blockers, and he feeds off of a voracious motor that keeps him pushing forward as a run defender and pass rusher. Concerns surrounding his neck injury (while at Washington) will certainly come into play when he gets to medical exams, but his durability and play at UCLA are certainly promising. Everything about Latu’s skill set and production is translatable to the NFL, and he could become a Pro Bowler as a 3-4 outside linebacker with a heavy influence on the game.

Strengths
Menacing portfolio of movement and entry angles in his rush.
Mensa-level hand usage with slaps, swats, rips, counters and stabs at his disposal.
Motor and strength to drive through redirect blocks once he finds an opening.
Times up bull rush to attack tackle’s change of weight distribution in his slide.
Quick-win rusher when allowed to reduce inside against guards.
Brutish take-on typically eliminates blocking tight ends in short order.
Stacks and sheds blockers with good timing to sink into running backs.
Has the athletic ability to drop and swerve in short-area coverage.

Weaknesses
Medical concerns surrounding his neck injury (while at Washington) will need to be evaluated.
Frame build-out and body type are average.
Legs straighten out during rush engagement, robbing him of leverage.
Plays with good power but doesn’t carry a firm anchor against the run.
Pursuit speed to boundary or sideline is very average.

[Joemailman]

Good evening guys. I obviously don't watch the draft like I used to. McCarthy to the Vikes is so-so. At least they retained their second first.

Vikings gonna steal DeJean from us?

[Rastak]

Man, the Jets stared the Vikings down and made them believe someone else was on the phone wanting #10.

May even have been the truth, but considering that it's the Vikings I hope it isn't. And they got pantsed.

Nah, do you really think they believe Rodgers is a long term answer? Two years at best for me. Plus, the price wasn't that high.

[red]

Good evening guys. I obviously don't watch the draft like I used to. McCarthy to the Vikes is so-so. At least they retained their second first.

seems like they got the guy they wanted and didn't have to give up a whole lot to do it

[Rastak]

Vikings gonna steal DeJean from us?

No idea Joe. I don't follow this shit that closely anymore. I will say the lad that was interviewed just now sounded like Muhammad Ali.

[red]

Vikings gonna steal DeJean from us?

we can jump in at any time if we really want him

[red]

No idea Joe. I don't follow this shit that closely anymore. I will say the lad that was interviewed just now sounded like Muhammad Ali.

and his mom sounded like she had a few too many happy pills to go with a few too many glasses of wine

[Frozen Tundra]

Nah, do you really think they believe Rodgers is a long term answer? Two years at best for me. Plus, the price wasn't that high.

Are you hanging on the Vikings boards tonight? How's the draft going over with all my old friends from when I lived in the Twin Cities? Any strong early reactions?

[bobblehead]

It's still an eternity to 25, but Arnold, Wiggins and Mitchell are all still there along with murphy and a couple really good OL

[red]

holy fuck, i just saw a real foo man choo

i've only seen those in cartoon drawings of asians in war propaganda posters

[red]

It's still an eternity to 25, but Arnold, Wiggins and Mitchell are all still there along with murphy and a couple really good OL

theres a lot of nice talent still there

[Rastak]

Are you hanging on the Vikings boards tonight? How's the draft going over with all my old friends from when I lived in the Twin Cities? Any strong early reactions?


Hey Frozen, I've been here in it's various forms since like 1999 I think. That was JSO Online and good ole Tex was there. No, I am not on any Vikings boards, never found one that had interesting people like here. I like hanging out with you guys.

[red]

byron murphy gone

he would have been a nice addition

[Rastak]

holy fuck, i just saw a real foo man choo

i've only seen those in cartoon drawings of asians in war propaganda posters


Hey motherfucker, I'm rocking that the last 5 years.

[Joemailman]

Byron Murphy II
Overview
Muscular ball of explosiveness with the tools and talent to become a productive three-down defender in the right scheme. Twitchy first-step quickness combined with flexion and power in his lower half create a recipe for disruption as a gap shooter or as a pass rusher. Murphy is powerful and well-schooled at taking on double-teams but lacks ideal mass and length for that role long-term. He’s successful at bypassing protection with sudden hands and quick feet, while his motor and passion create an activity level coaches will love. Forget the average physical traits and modest production and focus on his competitive spirit and disruptive qualities. Murphy is ascending and could become a successful nose tackle or 3-technique in an even front.

Strengths
Compact frame carries outstanding lean muscle.
Uses twitchy, controlled bursts to light up gaps and disrupt play development.
Elite combination of strength, balance and flexible power in his lower half.
Quick-strike hands help to maneuver around blocks and chase play development.
Pass rush driven by relentless energy and exemplary edge-to-edge quickness.
Variety of rush approaches are peppered with fluid transitions and counters.

Weaknesses
Frame might be close to maxed out.
Can be swallowed by size if he doesn’t keep it moving.
Lack of arm length forces him to work harder to separate.
Could be worn down by NFL double-teams and size.

[red]

guy is 6'0 and a half inch and is towering over his whole family by a good foot

[King Friday]

He was probably #7 on Seattle’s board, and they got him at 16.

[red]

Hey motherfucker, I'm rocking that the last 5 years.

im talking a real one like this

https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/HPO-Adult-Men-s-Fu-Manchu-Fake-Human-Hair-Mustache_057ea088-b84f-4fb0-89ef-f3161e15f5fd.20955950477efc75a47364b4e7a6e485.jpeg ?odnHeight=640&odnWidth=640&odnBg=FFFFFF

[Fosco33]

3 players to move up 6 spots… jeez

[red]

queens trade up to take dallas turner

probably the better of their 2 picks

door flies wide open for us to get coop

[Rastak]

im talking a real one like this

https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/HPO-Adult-Men-s-Fu-Manchu-Fake-Human-Hair-Mustache_057ea088-b84f-4fb0-89ef-f3161e15f5fd.20955950477efc75a47364b4e7a6e485.jpeg ?odnHeight=640&odnWidth=640&odnBg=FFFFFF

To be fair mine is gray and I cut it shorter because I'm on zoom for work. Retirement 3 years away though.

[red]

honestly, if you flip their 2 picks and take turner at 10 and JJ at 17, i would say thats a good night

[Joemailman]

Dallas Turner

Overview
Long and athletic with the explosive traits needed to become an impactful NFL pass rusher. Turner’s first-step quickness and elite closing burst are important building blocks, but he still needs to work on his process from Point A to Point B. He hasn’t learned to create the space and angles needed to consistently attack the edges, but that should come with better hand development and a more diversified approach. A team would be wise to widen him out and allow him a better runway to ignite his burst and overwhelm tackles with his speed. He’s added 20 pounds since coming to Alabama, but he struggles at times to stack and shed run blockers or set a firm edge. Turner’s frame and game are much less developed than Will Anderson Jr.’s coming out of Alabama last year, so it could take time for him to make his mark as a starting 3-4 outside linebacker.

Strengths
History of playing for winning programs in high school and college.
Sudden hands are first into blocker’s frame as edge-setter.
Disruptive initial quickness to beat blocks and stop runs in the backfield.
Speed and stride to stress offensive tackles in race to the rush turn.
Builds tremendous momentum at the turn if allowed too much space.
Possesses elite closing burst chasing down backs and sacking passers.
Athleticism to soak up play-extending quarterbacks with his secondary rush.
Able to peel off and drag running back into the flat in coverage.

Weaknesses
Below-average anchor to prevent being displaced by force.
Needs better play strength to improve block take-on.
Doesn’t always play with ideal urgency when not directly challenged.
Takes too many shots at winning rush with speed-to-power.
Needs to become a more skilled hand-fighter at the top of the rush.
Rush is currently missing instincts and counters associated with high sack production.

[jklowan]

with so many d players left this might be the perfect trade down spot

[red]

To be fair mine is gray and I cut it shorter because I'm on zoom for work. Retirement 3 years away though.

gotta have goal for after you retire

gotta get that to your waste at least

no shame in gray. im in my 40's and my beards been gray for over 10 years or more

[King Friday]

Josh Jacobs will run over Turner, but the kid is going to eventually be a good pass rusher.

[King Friday]

with so many d players left this might be the perfect trade down spot

Why do we need more picks? We need quality, not quantity. The quality will be there.

[Frozen Tundra]

Nah, do you really think they believe Rodgers is a long term answer? Two years at best for me. Plus, the price wasn't that high.

True, but they do have needs that Day 3 picks might have helped. But I'm not trying to pass as an authority; you've got your ear firmly against the ground there and I've been away from Minnesota for years, so I defer to you on any matter of opinion.

As for Rodgers, I'm honestly a little skeptical that he'll even be a short term answer. I think he's gong to have one of the worst years of his career in 24, because he'll turn 41 this season, he'll get of to a slow start, fighting through the rust of a full year away from the game, and be surrounded by a very incomplete team populated with players he has no familiarity with and no rhythm or chemistry. I don't expect much more than an above-.500 season, but not by much, and by the end of the year I doubt either he or the Jets will be all that eager to try again in 25. I'd guess that 2025 is 50-50.

Were you thinking the Jets mightg have gone McCarthy?.

[red]

with so many d players left this might be the perfect trade down spot

only if its to a bad team for next years 1st

we don't need a bunch of new picks this year

[ThunderDan]

gotta have goal for after you retire

gotta get that to your waste at least

no shame in gray. im in my 40's and my beards been gray for over 10 years or more

Waist vs waste. Probably want your beard to your waist.

[red]

Why do we need more picks? We need quality, not quantity. The quality will be there.

YES, too many picks already

[ThunderDan]

Pack doesn’t need to move to get either a great DB or OT.

[red]

Waist vs waste. Probably want your beard to your waist.

alcohol

i spell with the worst of them when sober

[red]

sorry, that IS NOT 275,000 people

i had a hard time believing it was 150,000

[jklowan]

gotta disagree, we could use 2 ol, 2 lb, 2 s, cb, rb, edge and a dt, picking up an extra 2 or 3 to move down a spot or 2 would be smart imho

[Rastak]

True, but they do have needs that Day 3 picks might have helped. But I'm not trying to pass as an authority; you've got your ear firmly against the ground there and I've been away from Minnesota for years, so I defer to you on any matter of opinion.

As for Rodgers, I'm honestly a little skeptical that he'll even be a short term answer. I think he's gong to have one of the worst years of his career in 24, because he'll turn 41 this season, he'll get of to a slow start, fighting through the rust of a full year away from the game, and be surrounded by a very incomplete team populated with players he has no familiarity with and no rhythm or chemistry. I don't expect much more than an above-.500 season, but not by much, and by the end of the year I doubt either he or the Jets will be all that eager to try again in 25. I'd guess that 2025 is 50-50.

Were you thinking the Jets mightg have gone McCarthy?.

I agree on Rodgers. I have no idea what the Jets might have thought on a replacement. You probably know how Aaron reacted last time. Not expecting a breakout season and I'll be honest, that fucker has a screw loose.

[red]

good, mimms is off the board

too boom or busty for me to be comfortable with

[pittstang5]

Anybody else relieved Mims is off the board.

[red]

Anybody else relieved Mims is off the board.

yup

[Joemailman]

Amarius Mims

Overview
Talented tackle prospect carrying a picturesque frame and exciting NFL traits. Mims plays with pretty good technique and is ahead of the game with hand placement. He has the size and bend to create movement and adequate athleticism to make blocks on the move, although he can be inconsistent in that area. He uses a two-hand punch that causes him to lunge forward a bit, but that should be correctable. It is very rare to see him clearly beaten by a rusher, and he has the recovery talent to do something about it when it happens. Mims has more development to go, but he’s a Day 1 prospect with the traits and talent to be considered at either tackle position. He has a high ceiling, but questions due to his lack of experience could temper early expectations.

Strengths
Outstanding combination of size, length and proportionality.
Fits into his drive blocks with good bend and a lift for leverage.
Plays with deliberate hand placement and runs feet through contact.
Keeps weight on inside half when sliding out to rusher.
Uses direct punch with inside hands and/or aggressive gather-and-snatch.
Strong hands and pure mass help tone down power rushers.
Adequate recovery tools to fight back when beaten.

Weaknesses
Very limited experience, with just eight career college starts.
Inconsistent in sustaining blocks in the run game.
Movements up to second level lack timing and accuracy.
Feet get heavy when attempting to mirror a cross-face rush challenge.
Needs to work on forward lean at the top of the rush.

[ThunderDan]

Anybody else relieved Mims is off the board.

I wanted him.

[smuggler]

Kinda looking like a good CB will be available now... didn't think that would be the case the last few months.

[jklowan]

I wanted him.

your on the wrong board I think

[Rastak]

Who you guys gunning for?

[red]

verse gone

[bobblehead]

Terrion Arnold would be worth trading up for now

[red]

Who you guys gunning for?

COOP

but theres a bunch of guys i'd be fine with

so we'll select none of them

[bobblehead]

But given the talent left I really hope to stay put

[bobblehead]

One of the 2 CBs seems like a steelers pick

[Scott Campbell]

gotta disagree, we could use 2 ol, 2 lb, 2 s, cb, rb, edge and a dt, picking up an extra 2 or 3 to move down a spot or 2 would be smart imho

I've seen a pretty good case made for 2 CBs and 2 RBs.

[Frozen Tundra]

Why do we need more picks? We need quality, not quantity. The quality will be there.

I'm not saying we should do it, but the way it's lining up, it may be a tempting time to drop back into the 2nd or even later 1st. There are going to be a number of players still available to us that we did not expect to be there, so that's good, but that also means there are going to be some players at #28 or #30 or #34 that Gute had ranked more highly. And if someone wants us to throw a mid-70s pick and give us a chance to drop back and pick up an extra early 2nd round talent, that's historically a Gutekunst deal. He may go for that.

[red]

Terrion Arnold would be worth trading up for now

is he even the best alabama CB available?

[Joemailman]

Jared Verse

Overview
Talented edge defender with the field demeanor, athleticism and skill set to rack up statistics in key categories fairly early in his NFL career. Verse dominated at Albany and then showed an ability to do the same at Florida State. He’s twitchy and compact, with explosiveness featured at the point of attack and in his upfield burst as a pass rusher. He’s great with his hands and does a nice job of diagnosing plays quickly and staying out of the clinches of offensive linemen looking to snatch him up. Verse's ability to threaten the edge only bolsters his hellish speed-to-power bull-rushing ability to run tackles deep into the pocket. He can play up or down and should be in consideration for all defensive schemes looking to add a safe, high-impact edge.

Strengths
Thrives with winning first step and unstoppable energy.
Quick to close distance and mitigate his length disadvantage.
Controls bigger blockers at the point with leverage, hands and power.
Instincts allow for rapid diagnosis and attack of play development.
Advanced GPS into the pocket, with multiple available rush routes.
Uses sudden, combative hand work to beat the punch and grease the edge.
Bend and strength to corner tightly to passer at efficient angles.
Instantly converts his twitchy get-off into a menacing bull rush.

Weaknesses
Lacks ideal size and length that teams covet.
Unable to anchor deep when drive blockers get into him.
Below-average footwork and wrap-up leads to missed tackles.
Offensive tackles stall his rush plan with a firm punch.
Has moments where rush wears down against size.

[Rastak]

I've seen a pretty good case made for 2 CBs and 2 RBs.

Christ, you still around?

[ThunderDan]

your on the wrong board I think

You can’t teach or coach 6’7”, 340, long arms and giant hands.

Mims is a genetic freak. He might bust out but I would bet he is a starting OT in the NFL for 10+ years.

[Frozen Tundra]

But given the talent left I really hope to stay put

What are your thoughts on theoretically dropping back 4 or 5, assuming DeJean is gone?

[pittstang5]

Who you guys gunning for?

Most in here will want whoever the Steelers take, lol

[Sparkey]

Fautanu to Steelers

[Frozen Tundra]

Christ, you still around?

No, no.... that's not Christ; it's just Scott.

[Bretsky]

BAD feeling on the Steelers PIck

[Scott Campbell]

Christ, you still around?

No, I've just popped in for a minute from the hereafter.

[KYPack]

Christ, you still around?

Roger that.

How ya doing Scott?

[Frozen Tundra]

Who you guys gunning for?

DeJean. If those damned Pittsburghs don't take him in the next 30 seconds, i think we have a good shot.

[Rastak]

No, I've just popped in for a minute from the hereafter.

Good for you. You still in Utah? Hope all is well.

[pittstang5]

OMG - just announce the pick already!

[King Friday]

I'm not saying we should do it, but the way it's lining up, it may be a tempting time to drop back into the 2nd or even later 1st. There are going to be a number of players still available to us that we did not expect to be there, so that's good, but that also means there are going to be some players at #28 or #30 or #34 that Gute had ranked more highly. And if someone wants us to throw a mid-70s pick and give us a chance to drop back and pick up an extra early 2nd round talent, that's historically a Gutekunst deal. He may go for that.

We already have a ton of picks that are relatively early. It made sense to move back if players that filled needs were gone, but that isn’t the case now. We will have very good DBs to choose from.

[red]

steelers take fauauautauu

[red]

OMG - just announce the pick already!

shit started 2 and a half hours ago, and we've only done 20 picks

[King Friday]

I’m good with DeJean, Wiggins or Arnold.

[jklowan]

moving back to 28 so bufalo gets their reciever, picking up a late 2 or 3 would work

[Scott Campbell]

Good for you. You still in Utah? Hope all is well.

All good, and still in UT.

Under/over guess on number of games before Sam Darnold gets benched for McCarthy?

[Joemailman]

Troy Fautanu

Overview
Ready-made brawler without an ounce of finesse in his game. Fautanu has starting experience at tackle and guard and is well-coached, but he will default to unruly hand-fighting when his technique gets away from him. He plays with average hand placement and can be beaten by length, but his tenacity and footwork keep him connected to base blocks. He’s capable of getting to reach blocks in zone and chaperoning running backs wide as a pulling guard on the next level. He’s a pop-and-reset pass puncher who uses active hands and feet to help with extended mirroring he’s forced into. Fautanu needs to prove he has the leverage and hand quickness to play inside, but all signs point toward him becoming a good future starter.

Strengths
Plays with lateral hustle to make back-side and play-side zone blocks.
Works to center and land with firmness post-contact.
Generates push from lower half on down blocks and double-teams.
Sets out to rusher with good lateral quickness and knee bend.
Maintains active hands and feet to stay in front of the rusher.
Keeps weight back to avoid being countered off-balance in protection.

Weaknesses
Longer opponents gain extension and rid him of block sustain.
Run-blocking technique eventually gets away from him.
Has issues with hand slippage due to inconsistent placement.
Slow to fire his pass punch and rarely closes rusher down with hand latch.
Gets beaten inside when he’s too eager and oversets the edge.

[Rastak]

All good, and still in UT.

Under/over guess on number of games before Sam Darnold gets benched for McCarthy?

No idea, who knows. Sammy boy sucks and the other guy is a rook.

[Sparkey]

Chop Robinson to Dolphins

[Scott Campbell]

Roger that.

How ya doing Scott?

Doing good, and will be doing great if Gute delivers on this draft like he did on last years draft.

[bobblehead]

If we draft that wide receiver, Thomas, Will Rogers rush the stage and start throwing steel chairs like a WWE show??

[Scott Campbell]

No idea, who knows. Sammy boy sucks and the other guy is a rook.

Hope they're patient with him. It looks like they built a staff that should be able to develop a QB. Sam sucks, but I don't think he's a bad bridge QB.

And now it turns out that Kirk is a bridge QB too.

[red]

so it looks like we'll be selecting a DB

barton would be the only other guy i think we could use

[red]

If we draft that wide receiver, Thomas, Will Rogers rush the stage and start throwing steel chairs like a WWE show??

he's probably in a darkness retreat willing himself to heal

[Rastak]

Hope they're patient with him. It looks like they built a staff that should be able to develop a QB. Sam sucks, but I don't think he's a bad bridge QB.

And now it turns out that Kirk is a bridge QB too.

I agree with that.

[red]

4 stud cb's on the board, and coop

unless its all been a smoke screen and we go with someone like kingsley suauaususmausua

[Joemailman]

Chop Robinson

Overview
Edge defender who offers the type of elite athleticism we’ve seen from players like Micah Parsons and Myles Garrett. Robinson might not be as fast as Parsons, but he’s close. He’s ultra-twitchy with the explosiveness to get on top of blockers and overwhelm them in an instant. However, he will need to level up his hand skills and attack angles to reach his potential against NFL tackles. Robinson’s electric athletic traits alone should give him a floor as a good NFL starter. If he crafts a rush approach and learns to string moves/counters together, he could reach his ceiling as a destructive force capable of forcing teams to game plan around him.

Strengths
Possesses rare explosiveness and speed to overwhelm blockers across from him.
Plays with natural leverage and powerful leg drive to create stress on blocker’s edges.
Wicked pursuit speed reduces space for outside runners and quarterbacks.
Able to do battle with big tackles and still set a firm edge.
Slant quickness creates opportunity to disrupt play design.
Tears out of his stance like a track sprinter into his rush.
Exceptional lower-body flexion to dip way low and corner tightly at the turn.
Finesse tackles without a true anchor will be found out by his bull rush.

Weaknesses
Relatively modest production totals relative to elite traits.
Needs to work on technique and hand usage for block take-ons.
Inconsistent keeping feet under his pads, leading to slippage.
Hands and feet lack harmony as a pass rusher.
Still learning to set up tackles and create his itinerary into the pocket

[King Friday]

I would be so happy if we can get Arnold. I though he would’ve be gone well before now.

[Fosco33]

I’m good with DeJean, Wiggins or Arnold.

Same

[bobblehead]

I honestly think trading back is the right move if you can find any value

[Sparkey]

Quinyon Mitchell to Eagles

[red]

eagles war room

"we're all gonna wear dark suits with white shirts and no tie"

it'll look so cool on tv

[red]

I honestly think trading back is the right move if you can find any value

gotta find someone willing to trade up for something they like

[jklowan]

is it just me or are the picks slowing down as the night goes on

[King Friday]

I honestly think trading back is the right move if you can find any value

No.

How often do you have the chance to pick the 2nd/3rd CB at pick 25? We still have 4 more picks in the next 2 rounds.

[red]

JUST MAKE THE FUCKING PICK

fans booing when goodell said they played games overseas

[red]

is it just me or are the picks slowing down as the night goes on

could be the alcohol kicking in

or the weed

[Rastak]

could be the alcohol kicking in

or the weed

Love them edibles to get some ZZZ.

[King Friday]

Mitchell looks depressed.

[red]

dudes grandma is like 40

[Sparkey]

WR Brian Thomas to Jags

[Frozen Tundra]

Of the remaining teams, it's quite possible that we specifically need DeJean more than the other teams do; that they need a pure corner more than we need a top safety prospect. I honestly am starting to think that at 25, we'll need to choose between DeJean and trading back. I vote "DeJean".

[Joemailman]

Quinton Mitchell

Overview
Mitchell possesses a gumbo of traits, with size, strength and speed filling up the pot. He’s built like a running back, tackles like a safety and has the ball skills of a cornerback. Mitchell can play in a variety of coverages and was the clear-cut top cornerback at the Senior Bowl when working against the top receivers in practice. While he needs to trace a more efficient path when hounding the route, his burst to close and physicality at the catch point could create tougher throwing windows for quarterbacks. Mitchell’s traits, play demeanor and special-teams potential should make him attractive to teams in the market for CB help.

Strengths
Well-built with broad shoulders and natural physicality.
Feet are fairly nimble and agile to change direction with routes.
Postures up into pass-catcher’s frame and claws at catch point with success.
Outstanding burst to close for quick recovery and playmaking.
Sees what he tackles in run support and wraps the legs.
Tackling and speed to become a top-notch gunner on punt teams.

Weaknesses
Can get in trouble by declaring his hips too soon.
Still learning to maintain feel for routes in man coverage.
Eye balance between quarterback and route is inconsistent.
Average route anticipation can get him behind at the break point.
Will get caught behind bigger downfield targets, from a positioning standpoint.

[KYPack]

There is a fat little garden of DB's out there for us.

[red]

WTF ARE WE WATCHING?

i don't want to hear about some kid whos mom died

just give me the picks

[Rastak]

WTF ARE WE WATCHING?

i don't want to hear about some kid whos mom died

just give me the picks

Doesn't work that way anymore. All fucking TV.

[smuggler]

Brian Thomas actually able to catch a ball? His eyes do not point in the same direction.

[Frozen Tundra]

No.

How often do you have the chance to pick the 2nd/3rd CB at pick 25? We still have 4 more picks in the next 2 rounds.

Yeah; at this point, there'sno questipon about whether value would be there. It will. Only question will be, does Gute want to roll the dice? His board does not look like any of our boards, and he's a bit smarter than any of us.

[jklowan]

WR Brian Thomas to Jags

bummer probably torpedo our chance to move down with buffalo

[King Friday]

Longest for a DB to come off the board since the early 90s.

[red]

Brian Thomas actually able to catch a ball? His eyes do not point in the same direction.

i had a dog like that. vet said he might see better then most because he could see a wider range

[King Friday]

Yeah; at this point, there'sno questipon about whether value would be there. It will. Only question will be, does Gute want to roll the dice? His board does not look like any of our boards, and he's a bit smarter than any of us.

Gute likes good players, and good players are available. We will be taking one of them.

[Joemailman]

Brian Thomas Jr.

Overview
Presents an appealing combination of size, length and speed with experience working inside and outside. Thomas will occasionally go through the motions as a route-runner, but the bend, athleticism and speed needed to get better are all in the toolbox. He’s elusive against press and can uncover quickly underneath, but he still needs to improve intermediate routes and play a little more physically when crowded to become well-rounded. Thomas rarely has issues generating separation deep and could be counted on as an NFL team’s designated deep guy early in his career. Thomas is unpolished but has projectable talent to become a WR1/2 in time.

Strengths
Good job of steering clear of press hands during his release.
Short-area shake helps uncover for quick hitters underneath.
Able to bend hips and sit in the chair at route breaks.
Straight-line speed takes him into top position on go routes.
Outstanding ball-tracker who can bring it in over his shoulder.
Length and burst to run down and secure potential overthrows.
Led nation with 17 receiving scores at a pace of one every four catches.

Weaknesses
Needs to pick up his route pace and salesmanship as a pro.
Will battle occasional focus drops.
Can avoid catch contact by working back to the throw.
Fast but possesses average run-after-catch talent.
Might need to ramp up physicality against clingy coverage.

[Bretsky]

DeJean or Wiggins ? Nice options

[Frozen Tundra]

eagles war room

"we're all gonna wear dark suits with white shirts and no tie"

it'll look so cool on tv

I know, I was laughing my ass off!!!! Almost woke my wife up, and definitely pissed off the cat. It was like the Eagles contracted out their draft room to The Men in Black.

[red]

lol

"you guys are such a great story, can you tell us just how far you family has come"?

mom. " we came from baton rouge"

[Frozen Tundra]

Go on, Jerry, fuck it up. We know you can do it... we have total faith in you.

Don't let us down.

[King Friday]

We need a PackerRats selfie with Goodell. It is ordained.

[smuggler]

Leos traded up ahead of us...

[Bretsky]

OH DAMMIT

THE LIONS JUMPED IN FRONT OF GREEN BAY

[red]

god damn lions

[jklowan]

detroit go gonna fuck us

[Scott Campbell]

How in the hell did LSU finish 3rd in the SEC west with all these top picks at premium positions?

[Bretsky]

Still 3 really nice players on board who would be great fits in GB imo . But DeJean just seems like a Packer guy

[jklowan]

trade down trade down

[Sparkey]

Terrion Arnold to Lions

[red]

WHY ARE WE NOT ANNOUNCING THE PICK?????

[King Friday]

The Lions know they need DBs to cover our WRs.

[smuggler]

How in the hell did LSU finish 3rd in the SEC west with all these top picks at premium positions?

One of them a QB? That's the bust.

[red]

trade down trade down

NO

[red]

what the hell are we waiting for?

[King Friday]

There’s gonna be a rush on CBs now.

[bobblehead]

A couple million packer fans might throw up right now

[Scott Campbell]

Detroit probably wants Arnold.

[red]

no one cares, announce the pick

[jklowan]

trade down trade down trade down

[red]

look at the beak on that one

[King Friday]

Gute probably takes boring Barton now. lol

[smuggler]

Yeah Lions got Arnold.

[King Friday]

trade down trade down trade down

A sad trombone sound is about to happen to your dreams of trading back.

[red]

Gute probably takes boring Barton now. lol

could be worse, could be a guy we all think is a 4th rounder

[Frozen Tundra]

DeJean is a Packer if we want him. I did not expect us to be in this position.

Now.... does Gutekunst agree with us?

[Joemailman]

Terrion Arnold

Overview
Twitchy man-cover corner with outstanding athletic ability and the skill set to bring in ball production at the professional level. Arnold possesses average size but plays with a desired level of aggression and competitiveness in both phases of his job. He’s fast and agile to match up against a variety of receiver flavors on the outside or in the slot. Arnold could squeeze routes tighter from off coverages and limit the yards after catch with a slightly different approach. His closing burst allows him to meet throws at the catch point with a natural feel for playing angles and attacking the receiver’s hands. Arnold will make mistakes with positioning and lose focus at times, but the athletic traits and nose for the ball create quality upside for him to be positioned as a CB1 within a couple of years.

Strengths
Sits under receiver’s chin and plays tight press man from snap to whistle.
Agile feet and slippery hips accommodate challenging cross-face transitions.
Smooth coming to balance and shadowing comebacks from side-shuffle.
Very good top-end speed with above-average burst to close.
Urgent ball-challenger, competing hard for both space and the ball.
Standout ball production over two-year span as a starter.
Jars throws loose with heavy strikes and is aggressive in run support.
Works through blockers and gets after it as a tackler.

Weaknesses
Feet become indecisive when hit with release fakes.
Lacks eye balance, losing sight of play development around him.
Offers excessive cushion for easy catches from off-man and quarters.
Room for improvement on jump-ball play and positioning.
Needs to do a better job of dropping pad level and wrapping to tackle.

[Fosco33]

Wiggins, DeJean?

[Sparkey]

Jordan Morgan to the Packers

[smuggler]

Basically OL is a bigger need right now, yeah?

[Bretsky]

Wiggins, DeJean?

Both would be great options.....so....does that mean we're taking an OL ?

[bobblehead]

Honestly, if they had taken DeJean I wouldnt have been upset with Arnold. But this is our pair to go with Xavier McKinney. Get her done Gutes

[King Friday]

Arnold is a hell of a DB. We just missed him. Fucking Lions.

[Sparkey]

Both would be great options.....so....does that mean we're taking an OL ?

Yup, Jordan Morgan

[smuggler]

Arizona OL Jordan Morgan