Official NFL Draft Day 3 (Rounds 4-7) NFL Draft

[Joemailman]

Best available:

Christian Jones, Texas OT (ranked 55th overall)

Brandon Dorlus, Oregon DT (ranked 65th overall)

Tanner McLachlan, Arizona TE (ranked 68th overall)

Ja'Tavion Sanders, Texas TE (ranked 70th overall)

Mohamed Kamara, Colorado State Edge (ranked 71st overall)

Kris Abrams-Draine, Missouri CB (ranked 72nd overall)

Cedric Gray, North Carolina LB (ranked 75th overall)

Troy Franklin, Oregon WR (ranked 76th overall)

Jaden Hicks, Washington State S (ranked 78th overall)

Ray Davis, Kentucky RB (ranked 81st overall)

Theo Johnson, Penn State TE (ranked 82nd overall)

Jared Wiley, TCU TE (ranked 83rd overall)

T.J. Tampa, Iowa State CB (ranked 85th overall)

Spencer Rattler, South Carolina QB (ranked 89th overall)

Will Shipley, Clemson RB (ranked 92nd overall)

Devontez Walker, North Carolina WR (ranked 93rd overall)

Malik Washington, Virginia WR (ranked 95th overall)

Jaylen Wright, Tennessee RB (ranked 95th overall)

Dominique Hampton, Washington S (ranked 97th overall)

Mason McCormick, South Dakota State OL (ranked 101st overall)

Sedric Van Pran-Granger, Georgia OL (ranked 102nd overall)

Jarvis Brownlee, Jr., Louisville CB (ranked 103rd overall)

Bucky Irving, Oregon RB (ranked 105th overall)

Nehemiah Pritchett, Auburn CB (ranked 106th overall)

[jklowan]

my players of interest for the pack...


S Jaden Hicks, Washington State (need, RAS)
S Jaylen Carlies, Missouri (visit, need, RAS)
S Kitan Oladapo, Oregon State (visit, need, RAS)
S Malik Mustafa, Wake Forest (RAS, need)
S Dominique Hampton, Washington (RAS, need)
S Dadrion Taylor-Demerson, Texas Tech (need)
S Omar Brown, Nebraska (RAS, need, visit)
S Trey Taylor, Air Force (need, RAS)
S Akeem Dent, Florida State (need, RAS, visit)

OL Mason McCormick, SDSU (need, RAS)
OL Donovan Jennings, USF (need, RAS, visit)
OL Jalen Sundell, NDSU (need, RAS)
OT Tylan Grable, USF (RAS, need)
OL Layden Robinson, Texas A&M (need, visit)
OL Tanor Bortolini, Wisconsin (need, RAS)
OL Garrett Greenfield, SDSU (RAS, need)
OL Hunter Nourzad, Penn State (need)
OL Nick Gargiulo, South Carolina (RAS, need)
OL Sedrick Van Pran, Georgia (RAS, need)
OL Sataoa Laumea, Utah (RAS, need)
OL Beaux Limmer, Arkansas (RAS, need)
OL Jarrett Kingston, USC (RAS, need)

RB Isaac Guerendo, Louisville (RAS)
RB Jaylen Wright, Tennessee
RB Braelon Allen, Wisconsin

CB Cam Hart, Notre Dame (need)
CB Decamerion Richardson, Miss. State (need, RAS)
CB Khyree Jackson, Oregon (need, RAS)
CB Decamerion Richardson, Miss. State (need, RAS)
CB Chris Edmonds, Arizona State (RAS, need, visit)
CB Ryan Watts, Texas (RAS, need)
CB Nehemiah Pritchett, Auburn (need, RAS)
CB T.J. Tampa, Iowa State (RAS, need)
CB Jarvis Brownlee, Louisville (RAS, need)

DL Gabe Hall, Baylor (RAS)
DL Mekhi Wingo, LSU (RAS)
DL Leonard Taylor, Miami (RAS)
DL Brandon Dorlus, Oregon (RAS)

QB Michael Pratt, Tulane

Edge Austin Booker, Kansas (visit, RAS)
Edge Cedric Johnson, Ole Miss (RAS)
Edge Gabriel Murphy, UCLA (RAS)
Edge Mohamed Kamara, Colorado State (RAS)

P Tory Taylor, Iowa

RB Ray Davis, Kentucky (visit)

WR Johnny Wilson, Florida State (RAS)
WR Brenden Rice, USC (RAS)
WR Devontez Walker, UNC (RAS)
WR Tahj Washington (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4567506/tahj-washington), USC
WR Anias Smith, Texas A & M

[jklowan]

Can we add all these players :)


OL Sedrick Van Pran, Georgia (RAS, need)
OL Sataoa Laumea, Utah (RAS, need)
OL Tanor Bortolini, Wisconsin (need, RAS)

S Jaden Hicks, Washington State (need, RAS)
S Kitan Oladapo, Oregon State (visit, need, RAS)
S Malik Mustafa, Wake Forest (RAS, need)
S Trey Taylor, Air Force (need, RAS)

RB Braelon Allen, Wisconsin
RB Isaac Guerendo, Louisville (RAS)

Edge Austin Booker, Kansas (visit, RAS)

DL Gabe Hall, Baylor (RAS)
DL Mekhi Wingo, LSU (RAS)
DL Leonard Taylor, Miami (RAS)

Edge Cedric Johnson, Ole Miss (RAS)
Edge Gabriel Murphy, UCLA (RAS)
Edge Austin Booker, Kansas (visit, RAS)

CB Nehemiah Pritchett, Auburn (need, RAS)
CB T.J. Tampa, Iowa State (RAS, need)
CB Cam Hart, Notre Dame (need)
CB Khyree Jackson, Oregon (need, RAS)

WR Johnny Wilson, Florida State (RAS)
WR Brenden Rice, USC (RAS)
WR Devontez Walker, UNC (RAS)
WR Tahj Washington (https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4567506/tahj-washington), USC
WR Anias Smith, Texas A & M

[Fritz]

Since the Packers have so many picks today, I do wonder if they will try to trade up to get specific guys.

Like, another safety. Or another offensive lineman.

Man, I don't love this draft. It's just weird.

[George Cumby]

More OL, please.

I bet they take a TE as well for 'Teams.

[King Friday]

Packers will take a ton of guys in the trenches today. I would guess that CB might be where they look first though.

[George Cumby]

Packers will take a ton of guys in the trenches today. I would guess that CB might be where they look first though.

Good call.

[King Friday]

Switching to view NFL draft center. Found it late yesterday and it was much better than other coverage. Zierlein is on it. May only be available through Roku.

[Bretsky]

Any possibility that we take another RB ?

[pittstang5]

Any possibility that we take another RB ?

I'd guess late - 6th or 7th. Someone to keep on the practice squad.

[pittstang5]

I've got a feeling Gutey is gonna take WR or a TE/FB somewhat early today. Do the Packers have a replacement for Degara?

[King Friday]

I would expect taking a speed RB who can catch and has some ability to block and play teams.

[bobblehead]

I've got a feeling Gutey is gonna take WR or a TE/FB somewhat early today. Do the Packers have a replacement for Degara?

Dillon is going to take on that role this season. They said as much without saying Deguara's name.

[King Friday]

Not sure which is worse…the glory hogging old NFL guys or all these ridiculous foreign fans.

[Jaire]

move up

[pittstang5]

Oh Oh Oh, Packers moved up!

[smuggler]

Traded 126 and 190 for 111. Selected Evan Williams, safety from Oregon.

[King Friday]

Horrifying. This guy has no value at the next level for me outside of special teams. He wasn’t great in coverage in college.

[smuggler]

I hope he sticks so I can call him Hooch.

Edit: Who wouldn't prefer some Evan Williams to a cup of Kool-Aid?

[Joemailman]

Evan Williams seems like a box safety. Not sure he fits in with Packers wish to have interchangeable safeties. I guess not everybody can be that flexible.

[run pMc]

Evan Williams seems like a box safety. Not sure he fits in with Packers wish to have interchangeable safeties. I guess not everybody can be that flexible.

Agree. I think he's more box safety, but I suspect they think he can handle some deep stuff. They don't have a lot of depth in the room so this is... meh.
I haven't watched him much; there were others people liked (Jaden Hicks?) who maybe you could do more box safety stuff with.
A little underwhelmed with the pick, but I've not really seen him.

I'm expecting Gute to go back to the well at OL and RB, and probably take a flier on a QB. A little surprised Spencer Rattler wasn't the pick at 111 for GB tbh.

[run pMc]

I hope he sticks so I can call him Hooch.

Edit: Who wouldn't prefer some Evan Williams to a cup of Kool-Aid?

100% to all of this lol

[King Friday]

Zubaz? That’s the best you can do when you are called on to announce your team’s draft pick?

Buffalo needs to up their game in more ways than on the field.

[run pMc]

Just realized they traded up to take Williams, a R4 and R6 for the NYJ R4.
Seems like Williams is a physical guy and will be a ST demon at worst. Won the Defensive Specialist award at the Senior Bowl.
Javon Bullard said he's "physical as hell", and looks like he's best near the LOS so he could be a fun piece in certain situations. Definitely more of a box safety. Ran a 4.56 at pro day, if the instincts are there you could play him deep in a pinch but it sounds like veteran pro WRs will give him trouble.

Good news: Players like this strongly suggest Hafley's defense will be more aggressive than Barry's.

[Fritz]

Evan Williams seems like a box safety. Not sure he fits in with Packers wish to have interchangeable safeties. I guess not everybody can be that flexible.

It’s like a special teams draft. Weird.

[smuggler]

Last two picks, maybe.

[SMBASS]

How soon everyone forgets about the shit back half of our D that was rolled out onto the field last year. 7 total Ints. and not one hitter who can lay the wood in the bunch. That's fukking pathetic.

[smuggler]

I like Mekhi Wingo, Cedric Van Pran, Hunter Nourzad, or Malik Washington in the 5th.

[Fritz]

Last two picks, maybe.

Kinda what I meant . Offensive line next?

[smuggler]

Center/ guard is definitely an option. DL would not surprise me, though.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gotta be Corner next along with DL or another LB with these back to back 5th rounders coming up.
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[MadScientist]

How soon everyone forgets about the shit back half of our D that was rolled out onto the field last year. 7 total Ints. and not one hitter who can lay the wood in the bunch. That's fukking pathetic.

It wasn't good enough, but this guy might not be an upgrade except possibly in short yardage situations. You have to get to the ball carrier before you can lay the wood.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Damn Racist Italians. Drafted the two white players I dig in DeJean and Shipley.

[Fritz]

Let’s get that next late- round offensive line all pro!

[smuggler]

They traded up to 163 and took Jacob Monk, center, from Duke.

We moved up from 168 and it cost #219

[RashanGary]

My initial reaction to this pick was that it was the Ol Amari Rodgers or Josiah Deguara situation.

But he got a respectable 7.0 RAS and plays bigger than his size so maybe plays more like a 7.5 ras.


He’s not versatile in the sense of being a do everything safety, but he is versatile in the sense of being a really strong run defender and blitzer. If you want to play some big nickel with Quay, Cooper and Williams as your linebackers, I think you have the speed there to be a pretty effective big nickel unit or even kind of a small base unit depending on how you view it.

But it opens up some options with his just good enough safety skillset along with his linebacker like tackling and thumping ability. It’s a different versatility, maybe more of a luxury than full time piece, but you can see some options there. If he’s a baller. And there is a lot of talk that he’s a football player, a dude, and a hard working football guy.

[texaspackerbacker]

Oh well. I guess we had to go O Line at some point. There probably will be another one too before it's over.

This guy seems to be flexible position-wise and smart, being a co-captain at Duke.

[bobblehead]

His most redeeming trait is that he is named after a bourbon. Box safety and ST guy. Not sure you need to trade up at this point of the draft.

Edit: sorry just catching up on Williams.

[RashanGary]

I think the biggest shift I’ve seen in the last couple years is the mental makeup of the guys we pick. A few years back it seemed like we took good hearted kids, always good people, but now it seems like they have to be great guys with the rough and tumble all football mindset. A lot of the guys we picked are just that rowdy, tough types the last few years. And it’s paying off.

[bobblehead]

Monk is another Gutes type. Played all 5 spots, team captain, lotta starts in college. I like him here, but I would have liked getting higher end guys earlier and be taking shots at LB now.

[RashanGary]

Monk is another Gutes type. Played all 5 spots, team captain, lotta starts in college. I like him here, but I would have liked getting higher end guys earlier and be taking shots at LB now.

With the success of Tom 4th, Walker 7th, Runyan 6th the last couple years they might be getting arrogant :lol:

[MadScientist]

Decent athleticism and positional flexibility. Just what the Packers like on the online. Plus he's been a team leader. Most of his flaws sound like they can be fixed with good coaching. Seems like a decent value pick at this position.

[RashanGary]

I really like the small town Georgia boys and the small town rough and tumble types in general. The young ones are getting softer and softer so you kind of have to find those corn field, tobacco field country kids to get some of the old culture now.

[smuggler]

Felt like maybe moving up for him was unnecessary, but both the Ravens and Giants could use OL help. Who knows?

[smuggler]

Oladapo... a third safety.

Kinda shows you what they feel about the secondary and special teams. Hard not to agree.

[RashanGary]

Monk looks like a great pick. Looks like a center with guard flexibility. 9.0 RAS. If he was a little longer he’d probably be a 3rd round pick. But at center there are a ton of 6’3” guys who excel. Would not be surprised at all if he’s the center of the future.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I really like the small town Georgia boys and the small town rough and tumble types in general. The young ones are getting softer and softer so you kind of have to find those corn field, tobacco field country kids to get some of the old culture now.

I can see suburban kids being softer than a hot stripper’s boobs, but if you don’t think the ghettos toughen up kids, you’re living in a shell.

[smuggler]

Bub Means might be the best name in the entire draft.

[RashanGary]

Bullard is a pure safety, maybe a little bit leaning toward box than open field. But he’s kind of a pure fit next to McKinney.

The linebackers we drafted are long but not heavy. They’re fast. They’re open space guys for the position. Our next two safeties play tougher than usual at the position. They’re box types who profile more as big nickle guys than they do as full time starters. But we got four inside guys who are fly around thumpers.

We need another pure safety though. They’re just so hard to find.

[texaspackerbacker]

I like what I read about this Oladapo kid. He's a Jonathan Owens type - big Safety but probably more athletic, also supposed to be a good tackler which was a weakness of Owens.

[bobblehead]

I like what they are doing on day 3. The guys they are picking are hard nosed self starters. The kind of guys who take it seriously and spend time improving even when coaches aren't watching. Worst case they help on teams, best case they turn i to something.

[RashanGary]

I can see suburban kids being softer than a hot stripper’s boobs, but if you don’t think the ghettos toughen up kids, you’re living in a shell.

I have a 21 year old, 18 year old, 9 year old and my gf has a 10 year old. My sons go to rich boy schools and my gfs son goes to a lower income diverse school.

My boys give me a lot of insight into the newer culture. These kids are all stripper titty soft. The ghetto kids are sensitive/soft and all the kids are sensitive soft. The only places I see tough old school people is in the country. We go to eat with my mom out in the farm lands south of her house and those young people are just like what we saw years ago. But city kids are even softer than suburban now. Truly.

The tough ghettos are a thing of the past.

I really think if you’re going to find the rowdy tough kids you’re gonna have to go into the woods, the swamps and the farm lands because where there is internet there are butter soft kids.

[RashanGary]

I like what they are doing on day 3. The guys they are picking are hard nosed self starters. The kind of guys who take it seriously and spend time improving even when coaches aren't watching. Worst case they help on teams, best case they turn i to something.

Kind of all the picks have been real tough guys, hard workers, culture tone setters and don’t have good manners on the field. They’re also all 7+ ras guys so we’re not talking about try hard Rudy’s or little engines who could.

I do think, not just this year, but the last few there is a shift. It’s not so many 9+ RAS scores after the first round. And there aren’t those below 6 outliers. The consistency now isn’t elite ras. The constant is football toughness and character. After that it’s good Ras or better. So there is a shift and it seems to be working.

[RashanGary]

Gutey said something yesterday I haven’t heard him say before too when talking about the 1st rounder. He said when you get the right kind of guy, he’s a lot more likely to reach whatever ceiling he might have. So you can hear some lean toward football character in what he says as well.

But they seem pretty stubborn not to go below a certain athletic point. They’re simply NOT drafting low level athletes. Just not being as stubborn about drafting ELITE.

[wthigoot]

Pick 202 Travis Glover looks like an OG conversion. Big dude, 6-5. 332.

[red]

Gutey said something yesterday I haven’t heard him say before too when talking about the 1st rounder. He said when you get the right kind of guy, he’s a lot more likely to reach whatever ceiling he might have. So you can hear some lean toward football character in what he says as well.

But they seem pretty stubborn not to go below a certain athletic point. They’re simply NOT drafting low level athletes. Just not being as stubborn about drafting ELITE.

we give gutey a lot of love lately, but he's not god, he misses almost as many picks as other GMs do

his obsession with only drafting guys with high athletic scores is borderline al davis like

his 2021 draft was a complete shitshow

2020 draft wasn't any better besides the love pick

[run pMc]

I know nothing about Monk or Glover.
I watched some of Oladipo before, he's a fun player. Will be good on ST and he's best as a box safety. He's almost LB sized. Pretty good athlete.

The more I read about Monk, the more I like him. Dude has played everywhere on the line, two-time captain, good guy in the community. Agree with RG that he could be the C of the future if it's not Zach Tom...but I think that also depends on what Rhyan and Morgan do.

This Glover kid is massive. I have to think he's a developmental T. 6-6 is giant for a G but Zak Zinter is that big so who knows. I'm sure the stupid next day draft grades on him will be fun.

[RashanGary]

we give gutey a lot of love lately, but he's not god, he misses almost as many picks as other GMs do

his obsession with only drafting guys with high athletic scores is borderline al davis like

his 2021 draft was a complete shitshow

2020 draft wasn't any better besides the love pick

I wasn’t sold on him for a long time. Still not 100. I think he leaned a little too far toward elite athletes in the past but he seems to be flexing toward really good as a threshold.

There has been a shift. The Love pick and the last two drafts have me higher on him than I ever was in the past. I’m open to it being luck though. I want to see a few more years of this and then I’ll crown him. But yeah, I agree, there’s this weird consensus that he’s already been crowned and I don’t think that should be the common view.

The way the blows money on outside FAs is a little suspect too.

[run pMc]

The Jets took QB Jordan Travis -- should Aaron Rodgers be upset? LOL

[run pMc]

I wasn’t sold on him for a long time. Still not 100. I think he leaned a little too far toward elite athletes in the past but he seems to be flexing toward really good as a threshold.

Yeah, I'm not 100% loving this draft although as a whole he's doing a nice job of filling the LB and S weaknesses by throwing bodies at it. For a draft class with a lot of OL depth, it sure seems like there's not much left. I think a LOT of teams went after it early.
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, I liked what they did in Round 2 and the R3 Lloyd pick. Oladipo is fun. Jacob Monk could pan out. The rest is a little head scratching... reminiscent of a Ted draft.

I wonder if or when he'll take a corner

[RashanGary]

... reminiscent of a Ted draft.

I wonder if or when he'll take a corner


Definitely. Ted was pretty good about staying true to minimum athletic thresholds. But Gute came in and it seemed like the minimum went from good to elite. And then you ended up with a bunch of athletic morons with a few home runs.

Bigger faster stronger is important. Really important. But it can’t be the only thing. I think there needs to be a lower threshold than elite. Something more like really good and factor in football character and football intelligence a little too. But there is a point of low athleticism that no amount of football savvy will ever be able to able to overcome.

I think he’s evolving into prime ted. He took over and blew his wad in the pretty athletes and after those loads falling back on his face he’s chilled out and started to take better aim.

[MadtownPacker]

we give gutey a lot of love lately, but he's not god, he misses almost as many picks as other GMs do

his obsession with only drafting guys with high athletic scores is borderline al davis like

his 2021 draft was a complete shitshow

2020 draft wasn't any better besides the love pickHow many players have to pan out to say it was worth it?

[Fritz]

Definitely. Ted was pretty good about staying true to minimum athletic thresholds. But Gute came in and it seemed like the minimum went from good to elite. And then you ended up with a bunch of athletic morons with a few home runs.

Bigger faster stronger is important. Really important. But it can’t be the only thing. I think there needs to be a lower threshold than elite. Something more like really good and factor in football character and football intelligence a little too. But there is a point of low athleticism that no amount of football savvy will ever be able to able to overcome.

I think he’s evolving into prime ted. He took over and blew his wad in the pretty athletes and after those loads falling back on his face he’s chilled out and started to take better aim.

If those loads fell back on his face, he was shooting them quite far.

So the Packers have two more picks, I think. Wonder what they'll take - another running back, maybe?

[MadtownPacker]

Fritz :lol:

Have to go with another safety or maybe QB in the 7th.

[run pMc]

Did Brendan Rice punch a coach? Dude was talked about as a possible Day 2 pick by some (I figured early Day 3).

[jklowan]

I do not love this draft, seems like alot of reaches, hoping I am wrong we passed on what seemed like good players and ended up with alot of ?????? hoping for the best, I like 3 players cooper, bullard and Oladapo

[jklowan]

gute must think he's gonna pick up some cheap cb after teams cut dudes due to the draft :)

[wthigoot]

Quarterback! at 245 - just drafting the UDFAs now I guess, wasn't expecting a QB draft pick

[Jaire]

gute must think he's gonna pick up some cheap cb after teams cut dudes due to the draft :)



There's your CB. You dirty rats.

[jklowan]

finally a cb, it's a wrap and lots of ???? picks lets hope a few pan out but it looks like a shit draft to me, hope I'm wrong but I smell 2020 bad

[Teamcheez1]

A lot of you have a generally bad attitude about the draft. I notice that none of you are being considered for a GM or scout position in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

finally a cb, it's a wrap and lots of ???? picks lets hope a few pan out but it looks like a shit draft to me, hope I'm wrong but I smell 2020 bad

It kind of does have an odd feel. The OL is really safe. Fritz compared it to Bulaga level safe and I agree. Just seems like a near lock to be a good pick.

Cooper looks like a high floor high ceiling guy. He’s an elite athlete and plays tough as nails. Worst case is he brings physicality. Best case is kind of sky’s the limit.

The safety from Georgia looks like a decently well rounded prospect. A good chance at being a good starter or better.


After that there is a lot of Richard Rodgers, Amari Rodgers, Josiah Deguara sort of feel. The sort of common denominator is that they’re rough, physical guys. That really is an important trait. But we’ll see. It feels like there were a lot of limitations after those first three picks. But the bust rate after the 3rd round is high so I imagine there are at least a few questions about every player at that point.

[beveaux1]

I heard quite a few draft “experts” say before the draft that day 3 was projected to have the fewest prospects of any draft in recent memory. Their theory was to trade up for 1st and 2nd round picks or use late picks to move up for early 3rd round picks. With almost no good RB, LB, S, and TE prospects, this draft was top heavy with OT, CB, and WRs. Aside from OTs, those didn’t fit our needs.

We apparently got one of the best LB, S, and RBs in this draft class. We filled out the end of the draft with special teamers and practice squad guys. I think that’s pretty good for a draft light on talent.

Up to us to coach them up.

[Joemailman]

I heard quite a few draft “experts” say before the draft that day 3 was projected to have the fewest prospects of any draft in recent memory. Their theory was to trade up for 1st and 2nd round picks or use late picks to move up for early 3rd round picks. With almost no good RB, LB, S, and TE prospects, this draft was top heavy with OT, CB, and WRs. Aside from OTs, those didn’t fit our needs.

We apparently got one of the best LB, S, and RBs in this draft class. We filled out the end of the draft with special teamers and practice squad guys. I think that’s pretty good for a draft light on talent.

Up to us to coach them up.

Go back to the Rasul Douglas trade. Gute was willing to throw in a 5th round pick to get the 3rd round pick. That suggested to me that Gute sensed the value wouldn't be very good by the time you got to the 5th round.

[RashanGary]

Last year we had Tucker Kraft, Wicks, Colby Wooden and Valentine with high ras scores in the 3rd round or later. This year, do we even have one?

[George Cumby]

Lots of good buzz on most of these picks.

Obviously I don't know shit about fuck, and we won't truly know for three years, but I like this draft.

[RashanGary]

Lloyd 8+ ras
Hopper 7+ ras
Evan Williams 8+
Monk 9+
Oladapo 8+
Glover 4+
Kalen King 6+


Kind of different than gutes usual profile of 9+ guys. But he mostly avoided pedestrian athletes. 7.5 is kind of that magic threshold where it seems like guys don’t succeed often under that score.


The toughest and physicality is exciting. The football character was fairly consistent all the way through. The athletic level was about average for NFL players so they’re not completely overmatched physically. The Ras scores are a little higher than I perceived a moment ago. They’re just good enough, but not the usual 9+ Gute used to consistently draft

[beveaux1]

Last year we had Tucker Kraft, Wicks, Colby Wooden and Valentine with high ras scores in the 3rd round or later. This year, do we even have one?

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

[RashanGary]

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

I see. I just read up on it. Yeah, NIL is causing guys to stay in school. Eventually they’ll have to move on though. So that should only last for so long. We’ll just start seeing more seniors in a year or two.

[RashanGary]

Last year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. This year is one of the least talented drafts.

Lucky we had a lot of early picks this year

This is actually a little exciting for our chances of taking a big step. Back to back elite drafts is already a nice feather in the cap to go along with getting the QB. But having 5 picks in the only part of the draft that’s worth a shit this year could mean that if Gute did well, we get better while most teams couldn’t load up this year.

[Scott Campbell]

Go back to the Rasul Douglas trade. Gute was willing to throw in a 5th round pick to get the 3rd round pick. That suggested to me that Gute sensed the value wouldn't be very good by the time you got to the 5th round.

I wouldn't have made that trade. Rasul was a really good player, and we probably didn't replace him even with all these picks this year.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

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[Fritz]

A lot of you have a generally bad attitude about the draft. I notice that none of you are being considered for a GM or scout position in the NFL.

I mentioned in another thread I was disappointed in Mark Tauscher's lack of knowledge about the Packers' draft. Maybe he's busy covering other stuff, I dunno.

But last night I listened to Mike Wahle on his "Block Party" podcast as he broke down some of the Packers' draft class. I learned a lot and was quite impressed with Wahle's seeming ability to break down the players' strengths and weaknesses. He didn't cover all the picks, but of those he did discuss, this is a kind of general summary of the players he liked, from most to least:

Jacob Monk - his favorite in the draft. Wahle said a few years ago he kept seeing tape on this one offensive lineman and he couldn't figure out why scouts didn't have him rated much higher, and couldn't figure out why he lasted until the fourth round. That was Zach Tom. Wahle has a similar feeling about Monk. He thinks, if Monk fixes some footwork and hand placement issues, he's going to be the starting center for this team in two or three years. Says he's got crazy-good bend, good hips, and his problems are all fixable.

Javon Bullard - Wahle loves this guy and thinks he can do it all. He thinks this guy CAN play deep as well as box. The only reservation he has is the size - he's concerned about whether Bullard can hold up at his size. But he loves this guy and thinks he's going to start sooner rather than later, and will develop into a really good player.

Marshawn Lloyd - Wahle liked this pick quite a bit. He thinks this guy is a change-of-pace back in a thick frame. He thinks Lloyd's fumble problems are an issue but a fixable one, and that this guy will be pushing AJ Dillon this summer for the spot. Loves his shiftiness and ability to break tackles, thinks he can develop as a receiver. Wahle likes the Lloyd pick.

Jordan Morgan - Wahle said nothing stands out on tape as far as one, specific physical ability, but that the guy does everything pretty well. He mentioned the guy, like Monk, has good bend and good hips, but that his footwork and ESPECIALLY his hand placement both need help. Lots of help. He thinks the guy will play and start in the NFL, but he actually thinks Monk may see the field before Morgan does. He thinks IF Morgan's going to play this season, it would have to be at guard. Wahle also laughs off the "short arms" stuff. Unless a guy has stupidly, stupidly short arms, Wahle thinks that whole "short arms" thing is just something analysts who don't know shit say to make it sound like they do. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that no NFL defender goes into a game saying "Geez, I can't wait to abuse that offensive lineman because of his short arms." So he likes Morgan, likes his bend and his hips and his ability to move, but thinks he's got a lot of work to do to become an NFL starting tackle.

Edgerrin Cooper - He points out that the guy's over-aggressiveness can really cost him, that he can mis-diagnose sometimes and was used in an odd way, at least in the film Wahle watched - the Alabama / A & M game, in which Cooper was sent on blitzes constantly, and struggled at times to get home. However, he loves, loves, loves the attack mentality, the desire to meet the opposing back behind the line of scrimmage, the violence of the tackling. He thinks the flaws can be corrected, and if they are, this guy will be really good. HOWEVER, Wahle is really, really leery of 230 lb linebackers. He just doesn't think they can hold up. That's the biggest drawback he sees for Cooper - the weight.

Ty'Ron Hopper - like many of us, this pick was a head-scratcher for Wahle. He loves the guy's hitting ability and his down-hill approach, but says he's super raw. The biggest issue he has - just like he has with Cooper - is the weight. He thinks linebackers at 230 are just too light to take on blocks effectively.

Those were all the players I remember Wahle commenting upon. All in all, he was super, super jacked about Jacob Monk, and really really liked Bullard as well. Second tier, but guys he still really likes, are Lloyd, Cooper, and maybe Morgan. Dennis Hopper - a mystery pick.

[run pMc]

230 is pretty light to take on blocks, that's why a lot of LBs don't anymore... or don't do it well. You see a lot more of them trying to run around the block or beat the blocker to the gap.
Sending a 230 pound man to take on a 330 pound man in a full sprint is not going to end well for the smaller guy, at least not after a few snaps of it. It's how the game is now, with speedier backers who need to cover ground.

Hopper seems more eager to take on a block than Cooper, but Cooper likes to shoot gaps and is so fast. They will both be aggressive and can run. I think Hopper is easily LB4, but ILs get hurt a lot so he'll play. I hope Hopper plays as well as Dennis Hopper acted. He was a hoot in Blue Velvet.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's gonna be interesting to see how things will work with Halfley switching to 4-3. Cooper was listed supposedly as an Edge Rusher - an OLB in the 4-3.

[Fritz]

Isiah McDuffie patrolling the middle, most likely?

By the way, Mike Wahle was also very, very excited about the interchangeability of the safeties, as he thinks Bullard can play deep and close. He was pumped up at the possibility that the defensive pieces in general are interchangeable enough so that you don't have to try to constantly keep up with the offensive personnel/formation changes in terms of your own personnel. He really, really likes that idea.

[run pMc]

Isiah McDuffie patrolling the middle, most likely?

By the way, Mike Wahle was also very, very excited about the interchangeability of the safeties, as he thinks Bullard can play deep and close. He was pumped up at the possibility that the defensive pieces in general are interchangeable enough so that you don't have to try to constantly keep up with the offensive personnel/formation changes in terms of your own personnel. He really, really likes that idea.

Yeah, basically it will help disguise what the defense is going to do. and help them react to motion etc. without giving as much away or being out of position.
In GB's case, they'll be in 4-2-5 with two Will LBs, which leaves them a little light vs. the run but having one of those safeties up should help.


I think McDuffie will be the Mike to start, when they go with a base 4-3 (15-20% of the snaps). Maybe Hopper or Quay is eventually that guy.

[smuggler]

Hopper seems more eager to take on a block than Cooper, but Cooper likes to shoot gaps and is so fast. They will both be aggressive and can run. I think Hopper is easily LB4, but ILs get hurt a lot so he'll play. I hope Hopper plays as well as Dennis Hopper acted. He was a hoot in Blue Velvet.

Doesn't help he uses his body to take on blocks instead of his arms.

[Sparkey]

You can not like 230lbs lb's taking on lineman blocks as much as you can not like 250lb lb's trying to cover rb's out of the backfield.

Pick and choose.

[sharpe1027]

Doesn't help he uses his body to take on blocks instead of his arms.

That's understandable. Dennis was never the strongest actor out there.

[Scott Campbell]

How many players have to pan out to say it was worth it?

Jordan Love panned out. That'll be Gute's legacy. Everything else is gravy.

[Joemailman]

DB Evan Williams: No. 33
Aaron Jones’ old number didn’t stay vacant for long. Williams wore No. 32 at Fresno State and No. 33 at Oregon.

OL Jacob Monk: No. 62
The last two players to wear No. 62? Lucas Patrick and Evan Dietrich-Smith. Monk is likely to play center in Green Bay.

S Kitan Oladapo: No. 27
Patrick Taylor, who is now in San Francisco, wore No. 27 from 2020 to 2023. Eddie Lacy and Terrell Buckley are the most well-known former players to wear the number. Others include 2017 second-round pick Josh Jones, 2006 fourth-round pick Will Blackmon and Anthony Smith, a Super Bowl winner in 2010. Oladapo wore No. 28, but A.J. Dillon retained the number.

OL Travis Glover: No. 79
His collegiate No. 52 is currently in use (Rashan Gary). The last player to wear No. 79 in a game for the Packers was Dennis Kelly.

QB Michael Pratt: No. 17
A little surprising, knowing kicker Anders Carlson already wears No. 17. Obviously, Davante Adams is the best player in team history to wear the number. Former quarterback David Whitehurst also wore No. 17. So did Hall of Famer Ceil Isbell.

CB Kalen King: No. 34
King wore No. 4 at Penn State, but the Packers have No. 4 retired for Brett Favre. No. 24 isn’t available (Tyler Coyle), so King will start at No. 34, last worn by Jonathan Owens last season.

[MadtownPacker]

I wouldn't have made that trade. Rasul was a really good player, and we probably didn't replace him even with all these picks this year.
Would he have been the difference in the niners loss?

[MadtownPacker]

Jordan Love panned out. That'll be Gute's legacy. Everything else is gravy.Maybe that’s why he is going Sinatra and doing it his way. Arrogance can lead to brilliant moments.

[Joemailman]

We can't know everything that went into the decision to trade Rasul. Maybe he was so sick of Barry that Gute was afraid he was becoming a malcontent. Certainly Campbell did. At any rate I still don't think the pass defense got noticeably worse after the trade as Valentine and Ballentine played pretty well.

[Scott Campbell]

Would he (Rasul) have been the difference in the niners loss?

Hard to say, but I doubt it. Though they played them pretty close, so who knows.

I think they lost that game because Brock Purdy caught fire in the 4th.

[smuggler]

On defense, having a capable safety play instead of Savage probably wins the game. He missed a tackle on the McCaffrey TD run and was the closest defender on the Kittle TD. Also dropped a pick-6.

[run pMc]

On defense, having a capable safety play instead of Savage probably wins the game. He missed a tackle on the McCaffrey TD run and was the closest defender on the Kittle TD. Also dropped a pick-6.

I think I saw somewhere that Anthony Johnson Jr. was supposed to drop back and help Savage with Kittle. Either way, it wasn't a CB that cost them that game, unless you think Nixon did.. and Rasul wasn't any better in the slot. Having better safeties would have made a difference.

[bobblehead]

You can not like 230lbs lb's taking on lineman blocks as much as you can not like 250lb lb's trying to cover rb's out of the backfield.

Pick and choose.

Which is why I was shocked they didn't get any of the quality DL available although a slew of them went where we picked said 230lb LB.

[bobblehead]

Would he have been the difference in the niners loss?

If he were playing safety as I begged for in the spring, he very well might have. Savage blew 2 tackles that lead to long TDs. One on CM3 and another on Kittles.

[bobblehead]

On defense, having a capable safety play instead of Savage probably wins the game. He missed a tackle on the McCaffrey TD run and was the closest defender on the Kittle TD. Also dropped a pick-6.

yea, what he said.