Official Packers 2024 OTA/Minicamp Thread

[Joemailman]

Rookie Minicamp: May 3-4

OTA's: May 20, 21, 23, 28, 29, 31, June 3, 4, 6.

Minicamp: June 11-13

No word yet on if any practices will be open to public.

[Scott Campbell]

Can't wait to see how the noobs look in pads later in camp.

[Patler]

Can't wait to see how the noobs look in pads later in camp.

Not pads....a walking boot:


According to ESPN’s Rob Demovsky, Green Bay Packers fifth-round safety Kitan Oladapo was seen in a walking boot when the Packers opened up their rookie minicamp on Friday. It had not been previously reported, but Oladapo apparently suffered a stress fracture on his big toe while performing at the NFL Combine. Per the Packers’ Wes Hodkiewicz, Oladapo has already undergone surgery and is expected to be ready to return to the field by training camp.

[George Cumby]

Sounds like Cooper is tearing it up: one-handed interception, fumble recovery for TD.

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

#Packers opened Day 2 of rookie minicamp with 18-minute stretch period. Longer than I can remember in past. Also separated linemen from skill players on both sides of ball, and had them do different warmups. Some noticeable changes with new strength/conditioning coord Aaron Hill.

[Joemailman]

Packers have signed 3 players including WR Dmitry Stanley after an impressive tryout. Stanley is the son of former Packer WR/KR Walter Stanley.

[Fritz]

Walter Stanley! Oh my gosh. He was a pretty darn good returner back in the 80's, I believe.

[smuggler]

If only we'd gotten a chance at John Jefferson's son haha

[Scott Campbell]

Packers have signed 3 players including WR Dmitry Stanley after an impressive tryout. Stanley is the son of former Packer WR/KR Walter Stanley.


Caught Andy's eye big time. Made some crazy plays in the tryout.

[Joemailman]

The Green Bay Packers signed three players, and as a result, released three other players following rookie minicamp over the weekend.

The six moves announced by the Packers on Monday: signed receiver Julian Hicks, offensive lineman Lecitus Smith and receiver Dimitri Stanley, released cornerback Anthony Johnson and defensive lineman Deandre Johnson, and waived/injured receiver Thyrick Pitts.

Cornerback Anthony Johnson not to be confused with Anthony Johnson Jr.

[Fritz]

I am reading about how fast the new linebackers, Gary and Dennis, are, and I then keep thinking back to watching the Tampa Bay linebackers a few years ago in a playoff game against Green Bay. Those two inside Tampa linebackers were so damn fast, and they hit so damn hard, and they didn't miss tackles. It seemed to me that they really, really messed up the Packers' offense in that game.

[TravisWilliams23]

Those two inside Tampa linebackers were so damn fast, and they hit so damn hard, and they didn't miss tackles. It seemed to me that they really, really messed up the Packers' offense in that game.
That was the game Rodgers choose to throw the ball instead of trying to run it in for a score. The backers were super fast and I don't think he's have made it. I believe White was 1 of them.

[bobblehead]

That was the game Rodgers choose to throw the ball instead of trying to run it in for a score. The backers were super fast and I don't think he's have made it. I believe White was 1 of them.

He wouldn't have made it...he would have made it to the 1 on 2nd down or on 3rd down. Either time, running it would have changed the entire dynamic and I think they would have gone for it on 4th if not scored on 3rd.

[Joemailman]

He wouldn't have made it...he would have made it to the 1 on 2nd down or on 3rd down. Either time, running it would have changed the entire dynamic and I think they would have gone for it on 4th if not scored on 3rd.

MLF was asked why he didn't go for it on 4th and 8. Said he just didn't have any plays he felt confident in on 4th and 8 against that defense. He hinted though that he might well have gone for it on 4th and 5 or less.

[smuggler]

LeVonte David and Devin White

[Fritz]

Man, they were good in that game. I remember a couple of Packer runs, where the running back looked like he had an opening for a big gain, then, wham, out of nowhere, one of the linebackers would nail him for a one or two yard gain. Man, they were fast, and they hit hard.

[Joemailman]

The Green Bay Packers released rookie undrafted free agent Rodney Mathews to clear a roster spot for former San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman Spencer Waege, who was claimed off of waivers on Thursday, per Field Yates of ESPN.

Mathews, who went undrafted out of Ohio, signed following the draft and participated during the team’s rookie minicamp last week.

Waege spent the 2nd half of the season on the 49ers practice squad in 2023.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNKrHEEWMAAN9CK?format=jpg&name=small

[RashanGary]

I just listened to the lockerroom interviews from the drafted players.

They almost all seemed like great kids. Pratt maybe a little bratty and Kalen King seemed like a cocky, arrogant kid who got knocked down a few notches. I’m guessing he needed that, but arrogance dies hard. If I had to pick two to flame out based on personality, those are my picks.

Bullard stood out as being incredibly bright and hard nosed too. I really like the country Georgia kids we have. Wyatt, Quay and Bullard. They seem like the bare foot, climbing trees, swimming in creeks sort of country kids and in soft suburban ‘merica, I think the further you go into the forests, swamps and corn fields, the better chance you have of finding a salt of the earth tough guy. He seemed very bright too. Just sharp, focused, bright kid.

Monk is the next guy who kind of stood out as having the right stuff. You can hear guys talk game, but when he talked about being accountable he framed it as he’s not going to bringing any dead weight. That goes beyond just saying the right thing in my view. They don’t teach you to say you’re disgusted by dead weight. You come up with that one on your own and I think he genuinely believes in the grind. A tone setter.

Morgan has a quiet alpha vibe. Maybe he’s not as wild and crazy as Bakh, but he’s kind of in that mold. I can kind of see the mischievous big guy attitude shine through even though he’s holding back. Seems like a great dude. He’s clearly a rare athlete. So being a classic wild and crazy big guy in the Sitton/Bakh mold only adds to the old school rough trench game that we all have so much affection for.

Cooper doesn’t seem quite as bright as most of the guys, but he hunts hogs and fishes for bass. Country kid. Seems like a guy you can count on to give 110 and that’s exactly what he said he was going to do.

Glover seemed like a bright guy. More of a serious guy than the other two, but smart. We always draft smart OL.

Hopper seemed smart, reminded me of Aaron Jones, just infectious, huge hearted dude. Just all world human being. I mean, it might be all he’s good for, but there is something to be said for the intangible power of love in the room. Maybe it’s worth burning a 3rd on a priest for the LB room. If he brings out the best in the two freaky studs we have in front of him it’s definitely worth it.

Williams, Olandapo and Lloyd seemed like your typical suburban dumb ass kids. But you know, that’s 95% of the population. Can’t completely avoid them. Throw Pratt and King in this stereotype too. But these were more humble dip shit kids than the first two i mentioned so throw them in with a bunch of studs and they’ll get right in line.

[Fritz]

I just listened to the lockerroom interviews from the drafted players.

They almost all seemed like great kids. Pratt maybe a little bratty and Kalen King seemed like a cocky, arrogant kid who got knocked down a few notches. I’m guessing he needed that, but arrogance dies hard. If I had to pick two to flame out based on personality, those are my picks.

Bullard stood out as being incredibly bright and hard nosed too. I really like the country Georgia kids we have. Wyatt, Quay and Bullard. They seem like the bare foot, climbing trees, swimming in creeks sort of country kids and in soft suburban ‘merica, I think the further you go into the forests, swamps and corn fields, the better chance you have of finding a salt of the earth tough guy. He seemed very bright too. Just sharp, focused, bright kid.

Monk is the next guy who kind of stood out as having the right stuff. You can hear guys talk game, but when he talked about being accountable he framed it as he’s not going to bringing any dead weight. That goes beyond just saying the right thing in my view. They don’t teach you to say you’re disgusted by dead weight. You come up with that one on your own and I think he genuinely believes in the grind. A tone setter.

Morgan has a quiet alpha vibe. Maybe he’s not as wild and crazy as Bakh, but he’s kind of in that mold. I can kind of see the mischievous big guy attitude shine through even though he’s holding back. Seems like a great dude. He’s clearly a rare athlete. So being a classic wild and crazy big guy in the Sitton/Bakh mold only adds to the old school rough trench game that we all have so much affection for.

Cooper doesn’t seem quite as bright as most of the guys, but he hunts hogs and fishes for bass. Country kid. Seems like a guy you can count on to give 110 and that’s exactly what he said he was going to do.

Glover seemed like a bright guy. More of a serious guy than the other two, but smart. We always draft smart OL.

Hopper seemed smart, reminded me of Aaron Jones, just infectious, huge hearted dude. Just all world human being. I mean, it might be all he’s good for, but there is something to be said for the intangible power of love in the room. Maybe it’s worth burning a 3rd on a priest for the LB room. If he brings out the best in the two freaky studs we have in front of him it’s definitely worth it.

Williams, Olandapo and Lloyd seemed like your typical suburban dumb ass kids. But you know, that’s 95% of the population. Can’t completely avoid them. Throw Pratt and King in this stereotype too. But these were more humble dip shit kids than the first two i mentioned so throw them in with a bunch of studs and they’ll get right in line.

I only want a priest in the LB room if he's graduated from the Wayne Simmons School of Divinity.

[smuggler]

People who follow the Wayne Simmons path to faith have closed casket funerals. If we could just sign the undertaker instead, you'd be on the right track.

[Joemailman]

Paul Bretl
@Paul_Bretl

Packers pass game coordinator Derek Ansley on Jaire Alexander:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNUbrK6XgAES2AQ?format=jpg&name=small

[MadScientist]

Paul Bretl
@Paul_Bretl

Packers pass game coordinator Derek Ansley on Jaire Alexander:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNUbrK6XgAES2AQ?format=jpg&name=small

That sounds good, like Alexander is really putting in the work and is re-energized for the season. However, this time of year it might just be a "best shape of his career" variant.

[Teamcheez1]

The Packers also paid his $8M roster bonus in March. That was a signal they were invested in him as a Packer and he needed to step up.

[run pMc]

I think Barry being shown the door was re-energizing for Jaire.

[Scott Campbell]

I think Barry being shown the door was re-energizing for Jaire.

Yeah, I think a lot of guys in the lockerroom were more than ready to move on from Joe.

Jaire has another massive issue that should re-energize him. His cap hit is ~ $24M, $26M and $28M over the next 3 seasons. His dead money hit is ~ $35.5M, $19M and $11M over the same 3 seasons. He hasn't played anywhere near an elite enough level to justify his massive contract for years now. He also hasn't been able to stay on the field regularly. We can't possibly afford to walk away from him this year, but it gets significantly easier in each of the next 2 years.

Ideally he just gets back to being worth the money.

[Scott Campbell]

The Packers also paid his $8M roster bonus in March. That was a signal they were invested in him as a Packer and he needed to step up.

With a $35M dead money cap hit this year, I don't read too much in them paying Jaire the roster bonus. With Bakh already counting for $19.1M in dead money this year, realeasing or trading Jaire isn't yet a realistic option - in my opinion.

[bobblehead]

I think Barry being shown the door was re-energizing for Jaire.

I think he likes being viewed as "the man". With Douglas gone and everyone being younger than him gives him a wise old veteran feeling. The kids are looking up.to him and he loves it.

[Joemailman]

It's a huge year for Jaire. His cap hit jumps to 23 million in 2024 and will be 25 and 27 million in 2025 and 2026. Starting in 2025 the Packers would save money on the cap by moving him. He needs to be an elite player to justify paying that salary.

[Joemailman]

OTA's start today. First media access tomorrow. Imagine most of the focus will be on defense, because that's where the most changes are.

[bobblehead]

It's a huge year for Jaire. His cap hit jumps to 23 million in 2024 and will be 25 and 27 million in 2025 and 2026. Starting in 2025 the Packers would save money on the cap by moving him. He needs to be an elite player to justify paying that salary.

My bet is he blows this season. He has skipped most of the "dominant shutdown corner" part of his career and is transforming into the old guy who talks about how he was a dominant shut down corner. It works well for Woodson because....well, he actually was for 6-8 years. Jaire had a nice 10 game run at one point to land a contract. In his mind, his work is done and he is ready to impart all of his wisdom on to the young guys.

[Joemailman]

My bet is he blows this season. He has skipped most of the "dominant shutdown corner" part of his career and is transforming into the old guy who talks about how he was a dominant shut down corner. It works well for Woodson because....well, he actually was for 6-8 years. Jaire had a nice 10 game run at one point to land a contract. In his mind, his work is done and he is ready to impart all of his wisdom on to the young guys.

He's still only 27. The last 2 seasons he's been healthy (2020 & 2022) he was 2nd team all-pro and allowed a passing rating in the 60's. He's still young enough to get back to that level. Health is the key.

[RashanGary]

I’ve been to practice. Jaire is a tireless worker. He’s always off doing something productive with down time when other guys are standing around. He grinds. I think the opinion on his football character thats come up lately is way off base.

[bobblehead]

He's still only 27. The last 2 seasons he's been healthy (2020 & 2022) he was 2nd team all-pro and allowed a passing rating in the 60's. He's still young enough to get back to that level. Health is the key.

correction. Health AND attitude are the keys

[bobblehead]

I’ve been to practice. Jaire is a tireless worker. He’s always off doing something productive with down time when other guys are standing around. He grinds. I think the opinion on his football character thats come up lately is way off base.

I hope so. For the most part he has acted like a guy wearing a polka dot tie. He has been a total douche in many ways. Of course T.O. was a douche in many ways but also a relentless worker so I hope you are right.

[Joemailman]

correction. Health AND attitude are the keys

Agreed, but I think with Barry gone, his attitude will be fine.

[Teamcheez1]

I see we already have another hamstring injury at OTA’s: Josh Jacobs

[Joemailman]

I see we already have another hamstring injury at OTA’s: Josh Jacobs

Tom and Kraft with pec injuries is probably a greater concern. A very unverified source has indicated that they were working with the same s/c trainer.

[Teamcheez1]

Pec is the new hamstring (or in addition to it).

[NewsBruin]

I've viewed pec tears as one of them things guys on The Juice just can't stop themselves from doing.

[Fritz]

My bet is he blows this season. He has skipped most of the "dominant shutdown corner" part of his career and is transforming into the old guy who talks about how he was a dominant shut down corner. It works well for Woodson because....well, he actually was for 6-8 years. Jaire had a nice 10 game run at one point to land a contract. In his mind, his work is done and he is ready to impart all of his wisdom on to the young guys.

The old guy who talks about how he was a dominant shut down corner? Are you getting Jaire confused with APB? Only ONE of them shut down Darren Charles, y’know.

[Joemailman]

Tom and Kraft with pec injuries is probably a greater concern. A very unverified source has indicated that they were working with the same s/c trainer.

For the record, Tom's injury happened before the draft. Kraft about 10 days ago. Both were injured lifting weights.

[Fritz]

I think Kraft just got married, so I wonder if this is all a communication mixup. Torn pec, torn pecker - maybe it happened on his wedding night.

[Patler]

I see we already have another hamstring injury at OTA’s: Josh Jacobs

If Jacobs has hamstring issues this year in GB, and Aaron Jones does not with Vikings, an investigation should be started!!!

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe something in the cheese?

[Joemailman]

Just a shameless attempt by Jacobs to blend in with his new team.

[Fosco33]

The guys in Madison may have figured out Watsons hamstring issue. One of his legs has 20% more muscle mass than the other.

https://x.com/easton__butler/status/1793988484404785293?s=42&t=qln1nIlv_JZOHZFOGLClCw

[Joemailman]

Rod Demovsky has a piece on it. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40202788/how-packers-christian-watson-hamstring-issues-eric-stokes

I think now we know why the Packers cleaned house with the strength and conditioning staff. This is something that should have been diagnosed a lot earlier.

[MadtownPacker]

The guys in Madison may have figured out Watsons hamstring issue. One of his legs has 20% more muscle mass than the other.

https://x.com/easton__butler/status/1793988484404785293?s=42&t=qln1nIlv_JZOHZFOGLClCw
Crazy wheeze. The leg gets hurt not being able to keep up with the stronger one? Born that way or is homeboy cholo leaning to that side when pumping iron?

[smuggler]

Probably he injured it once and was cheating with the other side perpetually and it caused repeated reinjury. I have done some dumb shit like that before.

[bobblehead]

Everyone has natural muscle imbalance. I read a great article on thw WWEs strength program and the very first thing they do is measure for imbalances. Then they get to work fixing them. Of course the process is faster with copious amounts of steroids.

[texaspackerbacker]

This seems like s cause and effect/which came first chicken or egg situation: he has less muscle mass in the leg that gets the hamstring injuries? Does that cause the injuries? Or is it (more likely) the result of the injuries?

[MadtownPacker]

Everyone has natural muscle imbalance. I read a great article on thw WWEs strength program and the very first thing they do is measure for imbalances. Then they get to work fixing them. Of course the process is faster with copious amounts of steroids.
Like how APB has one forearm larger than the other? Between flipping burgers and date night it’s a miracle he can still post without pulling something.

[sharpe1027]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

[ThunderDan]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the injuries. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

I see we can’t “thumbs up” posts any more. I give this post two thumbs up, way the fuck up!

[Joemailman]

I see we can’t “thumbs up” posts any more. I give this post two thumbs up, way the fuck up!

we do have these: :glug::wave::bow::clap::tup::bump::worship:

[ThunderDan]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

:wow::bclap:

[ThunderDan]

we do have these: :glug::wave::bow::clap::tup::bump::worship:

Thank you, I was talking about the reputation points.

[smuggler]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

I don't think you're quite grasping which is the chicken and which is the egg.

[sharpe1027]

I don't think you're quite grasping which is the chicken and which is the egg.
Are you saying his 20% imbalance in 2021 was caused by his hamstring injuries in 2022 and 2023? If so, I agree. I don't grasp that egg.

[Joemailman]

The 20% imbalance was discovered at UW following the 2023 season.

[sharpe1027]

According to ESPN's Rob Demovsky, Watson had a 20 percent difference in muscle mass between his two legs back in 2021. The gap is now just 8-10 percent.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122454-packers-christian-watson-had-20-gap-in-leg-muscle-mass-amid-hamstring-injuries

[Joemailman]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122454-packers-christian-watson-had-20-gap-in-leg-muscle-mass-amid-hamstring-injuries

No. I think Bleacher Report misquoted Demovsky's article. What Demovsky reported was:


The key for Watson, he discovered, is symmetry. That was chief among the things he learned during eight hours of testing this offseason at the University of Wisconsin's School of Medicine and Public Health. Tests showed a muscle imbalance in his legs, which likely contributed to his problems. He has missed 11 games during his first two seasons, including eight last season, because of a pulled hamstring in his right leg.

The confusion may be based on this:


Shortly after Watson's visit to UW, which in 2021 was given a $4 million grant by the NFL to study the prevention and treatment of hamstring injuries, he had a 20% difference in muscle strength between his right and left legs. Now, he says it's between 8% and 10%.

[sharpe1027]

No. I think Bleacher Report misquoted Demovsky's article. What Demovsky reported was:



The confusion may be based on this:

That seems likely. I didn't realize the messed up, but thanks for the good catch.

The experts stated the imbalance likely contributed to his problems. I'm inclined to believe they know their chicken and eggs better than most.

[RashanGary]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.


Sorry to argue with you again, man

"For me, it really was the asymmetry between the legs," Watson explained this week after an OTA practice. "It comes from a lot of things. Obviously, the issues I've had in the past with hamstrings, not fully recovering from those strength-wise. I've been attacking the strength side of it, trying to get that symmetry back and it's been huge for me. I feel really, really good. I gotta continue grinding at it."

There is no possible way in the world, no matter how great one’s imagination to assume the professionals who never observed him in 2022 could know what factors likely lead to his first injury. Watson himself, speaking from a place of sharing the insight he got from UW Madison
says that the strength is down, at least in part, if not mostly, from not fully recovering from the original injuries.

Tex is more right, on a hunch, than you were after either not listening to Watson speak and getting your info from a headline or from not comprehending what he actually said.

Tex is right and he also stayed at a holiday inn.

Tex, the asymmetry we’re talking about here is in strength, not mass. But excellent hypothesis. It lines right up with the experts.

[Fosco33]

So do summarize it’s either:
Sven, the 13yr old Viking fan who has a penchant for the occult putting a curse on the hammie
Nothing to do with muscles
Strength difference
Muscles mass imbalance

Certainly no one is ‘right’ - except perhaps Sven

[RashanGary]

I know we’re all big fucking retards every time we think for ourselves or try to piece together possible reasons for how things unfolded. So by all means disregard what i say here as me being an untethered retard who bit through his leash.

But Watsons dad has a podcast and regular presence on X. He’s been going on about several rookies injuries and saying the training for the combine causes problems for their health when they play actual football. He didn’t specifically mention his son. But it is possible to consider that, at least partially, he believes his son’s initial injury happened because his combine training made his body more prone to injury.

After the initial injury, using Watson’s words, we can also consider it possible that reinjury happened probably from asymmetry.

I’m also not an expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn.

[sharpe1027]

Sorry to argue with you again, man

"For me, it really was the asymmetry between the legs," Watson explained this week after an OTA practice. "It comes from a lot of things. Obviously, the issues I've had in the past with hamstrings, not fully recovering from those strength-wise. I've been attacking the strength side of it, trying to get that symmetry back and it's been huge for me. I feel really, really good. I gotta continue grinding at it."

There is no possible way in the world, no matter how great one’s imagination to assume the professionals who never observed him in 2022 could know what factors likely lead to his first injury. Watson himself, speaking from a place of sharing the insight he got from UW Madison
says that the strength is down, at least in part, if not mostly, from not fully recovering from the original injuries.

Tex is more right, on a hunch, than you were after either not listening to Watson speak and getting your info from a headline or from not comprehending what he actually said.

Tex is right and he also stayed at a holiday inn.

Tex, the asymmetry we’re talking about here is in strength, not mass. But excellent hypothesis. It lines right up with the experts.

This doesn't make sense. He goes to the leading specialist in the field to figure out why he's having issues. They run eight hours of tests and conclude that muscle imbalance is the most important issue.

Now, I'm not saying the injuries did not contribute to his imbalance, that's impossible for me to know. I am saying the specialist aren't likely to be complete morons and diagnose the reason for his past problems based on a condition that likely didn't exist until after he had his latest problems.

I guess it's possible that the leading experts are that fucking stupid, but it seems really really unlikely.

You can believe whatever you want, but I don't think there's any chance you're going to convince me otherwise based solely on your assessment from reading a headline and diagnosing from your couch.

[RashanGary]

This doesn't make sense. He goes to the leading specialist in the field to figure out why he's having issues. They run eight hours of tests and conclude that muscle imbalance is the most important issue.

Now, I'm not saying the injuries did not contribute to his imbalance, that's impossible for me to know. I am saying the specialist aren't likely to be complete morons and diagnose the reason for his past problems based on a condition that likely didn't exist until after he had his latest problems.

I guess it's possible that the leading experts are that fucking stupid, but it seems really really unlikely.

You can believe whatever you want, but I don't think there's any chance you're going to convince me otherwise based solely on your assessment from reading a headline and diagnosing from your coach.

Bro, nothing Watson shared made reference to his initial injury. All he talked about is asymmetry and the only factor he listed relating to asymmetry was previous injury.

This is a comprehension problem on your part, not anyone trying to override experts opinions.

[sharpe1027]

Bro, nothing Watson shared made reference to his initial injury. All he talked about is asymmetry and the only factor he listed relating to asymmetry was previous injury.

This is a comprehension problem on your part, not anyone trying to override experts opinions.

No it's not . It's an overconfidence issue on your part.

The Packers paid for all that testing because he was having reoccurring issues. It's only natural to assume the medical experts know the difference between pre and post injury issues.The article said the experts believe the imbalance was a contributing factor in his injuries. I'm pretty sure that means they think the imbalance existed prior to those injuries.

[sharpe1027]

It's as simple as the experts identified muscle imbalance as a likely contributing factor in his previous injury. Assuming they understand which way time flows, they believe a muscle imbalance existed before the injuries occured.

Secondarily, between the medical experts and some dude posting on the Internet,

Who had access prior medical records?
Who had access to Watson to obtain information on his training and recovery process?
Who had direct physical access to Watson and was able to perform eight hours of testing (that's a lot)?
Who is more likely to understand the progression and root cause of a muscle imbalance?
Who is more likely to be over confident in themselves?

[ThunderDan]

No it's not . It's an overconfidence issue on your part.

The Packers paid for all that testing because he was having reoccurring issues. It's only natural to assume the medical experts know the difference between pre and post injury issues.The article said the experts believe the imbalance was a contributing factor in his injuries. I'm pretty sure that means they think the imbalance existed prior to those injuries.

I played a ton of basketball in HS and college. Tried to walk on to the Badgers when Yoder was the coach and didn’t make it.

I blew my right ankle apart playing rec ball in college when someone pushed me from behind going for a rebound. I wasn’t allowed to put any weight on it for 2 weeks and had crutches for 8.

When I finally was able to get to rehab, the strength in my right ankle was at 60% of my left ankle. They made me run the test twice they were so surprised. It turns out jumping off the same leg for 12 years creates a huge imbalance. When I finished rehab and retested my right side was 175% as strong as my left 16 weeks post injury.

[sharpe1027]

I played a ton of basketball in HS and college. Tried to walk on to the Badgers when Yoder was the coach and didn’t make it.

I blew my right ankle apart playing rec ball in college when someone pushed me from behind going for a rebound. I wasn’t allowed to put any weight on it for 2 weeks and had crutches for 8.

When I finally was able to get to rehab, the strength in my right ankle was at 60% of my left ankle. They made me run the test twice they were so surprised. It turns out jumping off the same leg for 12 years creates a huge imbalance. When I finished rehab and retested my right side was 175% as strong as my left 16 weeks post injury.

Yes. My point is not that injuries cannot create muscle imbalance, it's simply this. A muscle imbalance cannot be a contributing factor in an injury that occurred prior to the muscle imbalance AND experts in the field know this.

[RashanGary]

Sharpe, your conclusion that the imbalance was speaking about the initial injury as well as the two year reinjuries is a pretty big assumption when considering the context.

It’s not crazy or being an ignorant know it all, but no more is tex being an ignoramus by saying the imbalance during testing probably had to do with previous injuries.

The whole “but I did stay at a holiday inn” comment is condescending and smug. Tex makes a ton of sense in a lot of areas most people have huge mental road blocks. He goes way off in other areas in my opinion. But Tex had an incredibly unique and valuable view point and to look down your nose at him is kind of ignorant imho.

There’s been no one here who I’ve disagreed with more often and more vehemently than Tex. But there’s no one who’s opened my eyes to things I couldn’t see more than tex either. I don’t think you’d want him being a dictator of anything, but there aren’t many Tex’s in the world and his viewpoint brings a lot to the table of mostly like minded people.

[Joemailman]

Whatever the case, it appears the now replaced strength and conditioning team had no idea of the strength imbalance in Watson's legs. Or allowed him to play despite it. Stokes reinjured his hamstring after playing 4 plays his 1st game back. Makes me wonder if Bakhtiari's ongoing knee problems had something to do with a substandard strength and conditioning regimen.

[sharpe1027]

Tex has more than earned condescending remarks. He's a complete asshole to people calling them all sorts of names. Don't cry to me about "smug" remarks aimed at him. I don't give a shit.

I didn't distinguish between any of the specific injuries. It is possible the first hamstring injury was random and the imbalance only occured then This is about diagnosing why he has reoccurring injuries.

It's also possible he's had an imbalance dating back many years. None of us know.

[Patler]

Maybe the strength imbalance grew out of a high school (and younger) athlete naturally favoring his stronger, more coordinated side, much like Thunder Dan's ankle history; and the imbalance was neither detected nor corrected by a smaller, less-well funded college athletic department.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his earlier knee issue in 2017 (or whenever), again neither detected nor corrected in college.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his rehab for the minor knee surgery he had after the draft and before training camp his rookie season, perhaps from trying to come back quickly and make his mark after missing most of that training camp.

Maybe the strength imbalance originated from his first hamstring injury as a Packer and his rehab from it.

Maybe the strength imbalance as detected this offseason is an accumulated result from repeated hamstring injuries the last two seasons.

Maybe the strength imbalance as detected this off season is the accumulated result from several or all of the above scenarios.


Any of the above are possible, but not particularly important to us at this point. The important thing for fans is this:

The experts believe the strength imbalance is a significant contributing factor to his ongoing hamstring problems, and they believe correcting the imbalance can alleviate those problems.

[sharpe1027]

Yes, Patler.

[texaspackerbacker]

Ya see, there was this pamphlet somebody left in the lounge at the local Holiday Inn hahahahaha. From what I recall about that old commercial, the guy who stayed at Holiday Inn was RIGHT in whatever the hell it was they were discussing.

What I see in here are Joe, RG, and Patler making a lot of sense, and this other dipshit - who musta stayed at some tramp hotel - pissing and moaning idiocy, as he so often does.

Regarding the topic, Watson and hamstring injuries in general, it's pretty well established that they tend to be chronic. I would suggest that in the huge majority of cases, the first occurrence, though, comes down to a matter of luck. Can we assume that (I don't know this because it wasn't in that pamphlet I found at H.I.) part of the regimen for recovery from a hamstring injury in addition to staying mostly off the injured leg, is some sort of lifting to keep the other leg from atrophying? If so, wouldn't that result in muscle imbalance between the two legs?

When I was in my mid fifties and substitute teaching at a middle school - toward the end of the school year on their "field day", they lined up all the eighth grade boys (or as many was wanted to participate) on the goal line and had them sprint - race to the 50 yard line. Like a fool and sorta on a dare, I joined them and actually beat well over half of them. But as I crossed the finish line, my hamstring went out. I did a somersault in the air, landed on my back, and damn near had to crawl back to the school building. I never had any therapy or treatment or whatever, just stayed off it and let it heal, and I've never had another hamstring injury - even though I'm still playing tennis several times a week at age 77. What does that prove? Not a damn thing (other than that I'm great hahahaha). It might mean, though, that traditional rehab for pro athletes is not done right.

But probably it's all just dumb luck, hamstrings and pretty much all injuries.

[bobblehead]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

At the risk of beclowing myself I do believe there is an amount of truth to that theory. Years ago when someone had a knee operation it was a given the opposite hamstring would give them problems when they hit the field again. I think trainers are well aware of it now and build it into the rehab process. Confidence in the repair is paramount to success.

[bobblehead]

So do summarize it’s either:
Sven, the 13yr old Viking fan who has a penchant for the occult putting a curse on the hammie
Nothing to do with muscles
Strength difference
Muscles mass imbalance

Certainly no one is ‘right’ - except perhaps Sven

Gimme this sven kids address. I don't care if he's 13, I have a few gumba friends who claim mob ties that I can have give him a visit. Play adult games, win adult prizes.

[bobblehead]

Yes. My point is not that injuries cannot create muscle imbalance, it's simply this. A muscle imbalance cannot be a contributing factor in an injury that occurred prior to the muscle imbalance AND experts in the field know this.

But reinjury can. And the confidence in the recovery can also compound the problem. If muscle imbalance all by itself caused injury then every player in the game would have issues since muscle imbalance is pretty much a universal phenomenon.

[sharpe1027]

At the risk of beclowing myself I do believe there is an amount of truth to that theory. Years ago when someone had a knee operation it was a given the opposite hamstring would give them problems when they hit the field again. I think trainers are well aware of it now and build it into the rehab process. Confidence in the repair is paramount to success.


I'm not sure what theory you mean. The one theory is the UM of Madison experts thought muscle imbalance contributed to reinjury. That requires them to believe the imbalance existed prior to at least the last injury. The source of the imbalance could have been a prior injury.

[sharpe1027]

But reinjury can. And the confidence in the recovery can also compound the problem. If muscle imbalance all by itself caused injury then every player in the game would have issues since muscle imbalance is pretty much a universal phenomenon.

Who thinks muscle imbalance all by itself creates an injury? Nobody said that. All that was said is that the imbalance was likely a contributing factor.

[bobblehead]

Who thinks muscle imbalance all by itself creates an injury? Nobody said that. All that was said is that the imbalance was likely a contributing factor.

I guess it seems like everyone is getting a little tribal on theories when the reality is exactly as you stated. Its a factor. Not the only one. And previous injury causes increased imbalance if not addressed. Hopefully Watson has it worked out because I haven't really seen game changing speed like his since james Lofton.

[sharpe1027]

I made a joke about Internet experts, injecting some humor into it with a dated reference to a marketing campaign. RG gets upset that I was being smug to a poster that immediately calls me a dip shit while praising another poster saying exactly the same thing as me. Comedy gold, haha.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahaha the fact is, you are a dipshit (actually I didn't call you that by name, I just said if the shoe fits ..... - and obviously it does). But WHO is that other guy saying the same thing - so I can call him a dipshit too hahahaha.

[bobblehead]

Player has repeat hamstring injuries. Top experts studying hamstring injuries assess the player and identity muscle imbalance they believe is contributing to the injuries. They develop a plan to reduce the chances of a future injury.

Someone on PRs forum explains why they don't believe the experts and it's more likely the hamstring injuries caused the imbalance. They aren't an expert, but they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Never fails.

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

[Joemailman]

2024 the end of OTA's?



Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

End of OTAs? The NFL Players Association is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025, eliminating voluntary on-field work in the spring in favor of a longer training camp ramp-up, with players reporting in mid-June to early July, per sources.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

So sifting through things, Sharpe claimed it was the REASON but not the CAUSE ....... or was it the other way around? hahahahaha. Yeah, it's about his speed to think CAUSE and REASON are two different things.

Yeah, I saw that original post and also RG's criticism of it. I just thought at the time and still think, BFD in both cases.

[sharpe1027]

I think this is the quote that RG got on you for?? Whether you meant it or not, it poo poos the idea that the original injury caused the imbalance. Maybe not the point you were trying to drive home, but you mocked Tex for saying as much so you come across as NOT believing the original injury CAUSED any imbalance, but could only be the REASON for it.

*editors note. Tex deserves and can take mockery so no big deal in my book. Also, with follow up I don't think you believe this, but it was the way I read the original post you made as well.

The phrasing I used wasn't perfect. That being said, I clearly stated the issue I had was when someone disagrees with the findings of the experts that the imbalance was a contributing factor to the hamstring injury. Using their own judgement to conclude that the experts are likely wrong.

[Patler]

2024 the end of OTA's?
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

End of OTAs? The NFL Players Association is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the offseason starting as soon as 2025, eliminating voluntary on-field work in the spring in favor of a longer training camp ramp-up, with players reporting in mid-June to early July, per sources.

Like the "good old days" when players reported two+ months before the season started, for 2-3 weeks of camp before 6 exhibition games.

[Joemailman]

Like the "good old days" when players reported two+ months before the season started, for 2-3 weeks of camp before 6 exhibition games.

Except it will probably soon be 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games.

[MadScientist]

2024 the end of OTA's?

My guess is that this is in response to the season getting longer and longer, so the desire for a larger block of time off. It also has the advantage to have players continue working and developing without a break. And finally, it eliminates the situation where a marginal player follows a necessary workout regime during the OTA - camp break and gets injured, with the team calling it a non-football injury and cutting him without any settlement.

[sharpe1027]

Years from now, kids will hear us talking about the good old days and the need to ask their parents to explain what an exhibition game is. I think it's only a matter of time before they go away completely.

[Patler]

I do expect they will drop to 2 exhibition games, but doubt they will be eliminated completely. Too many rookies, first year players and inexperienced fringe players hanging around the league. They can play the games even without their starters and top reserves if they want.

[sharpe1027]

I do expect they will drop to 2 exhibition games, but doubt they will be eliminated completely. Too many rookies, first year players and inexperienced fringe players hanging around the league. They can play the games even without their starters and top reserves if they want.
The coaches an GMs won't like it, but they're not the ones making the decision. We'll see, I'm just seeing the trend and predicting one possible outcome. My crystal ball is far less than 50% accurate.

[bobblehead]

If I made the call I would have an offseason ramp up 3 weeks early for all rookies/undrafted/first contract guys. It would be very light on field work, mostly classroom/walkthrough. Then I would have a couple aggressive scrimmages with other teams. After that the rest of the team shows up as we do now.

Admittedly vets need less camp time. The smart ones are working with experts anyway (Kittles TE camp). The young guys have so much to learn I think a bootcamp type atmosphere would probably help the learning curve. You can work on a lot of things like hand tech for OL without any real risk of injury. Or a combo pass rush move for an edge just to build muscle memory. You can teach a lot of football to young guys without taxing their bodies.

[Deputy Nutz]

I do expect they will drop to 2 exhibition games, but doubt they will be eliminated completely. Too many rookies, first year players and inexperienced fringe players hanging around the league. They can play the games even without their starters and top reserves if they want.

Preseason games are bullshit, especially for season ticket holders that have to pay full price for them. The league is going to expand it's regular season to 18 games very shortly. I could see the end to exhibition games and heading into the regular season with an expanded roster. Whether there would be a league mandated roster cut I couldn't speculate. I could also see them basically keeping 2 games on the preseason docket and have them for guys trying to keep or make the roster.

[SudsMcBucky]

Preseason games are bullshit, especially for season ticket holders that have to pay full price for them. The league is going to expand it's regular season to 18 games very shortly. I could see the end to exhibition games and heading into the regular season with an expanded roster. Whether there would be a league mandated roster cut I couldn't speculate. I could also see them basically keeping 2 games on the preseason docket and have them for guys trying to keep or make the roster.

Just to be clear, pre-season tix are 1/2 price of regular season games, not full price.

[texaspackerbacker]

You almost have to have preseason games. It's not like college where you can warm up against some division 2 team or whatever, so having all the games count is feasible. In the NFL, however, there's close enough to parity that a team that ain't prepared from the first game could have their season ruined.

And from a fan perspective, there's a lot to be said for getting to see the back up QB and other scrubs play.

[Patler]

Preseason games are bullshit, especially for season ticket holders that have to pay full price for them.

Well of course they are. In what pro sport are exhibition games anything close to the real thing? Nobody is really trying to win, just learn things about their team. Fans need to accept the games for what they are, and not expect them to be something they are not.

Are seasons ticket holders obligated to buy preseason tickets? I think they were at one time, weren't they? If they are; that should end, or the price should reflect what they event really is.


The league is going to expand it's regular season to 18 games very shortly. I could see the end to exhibition games and heading into the regular season with an expanded roster. Whether there would be a league mandated roster cut I couldn't speculate. I could also see them basically keeping 2 games on the preseason docket and have them for guys trying to keep or make the roster.

The league has been floating the 18 game season for a while, so I think it is inevitable. I will be surprised if the exhibition season is eliminated entirely, but I do expect it will drop to two. I will be mildly surprised if it goes to just one game.

There is value in exhibition games beyond the "competition" between teams:

Much like the Senior Bowl, new and inexperienced players get to perform against a more select group in a game-like situation.

Coaching staffs get to shake of the rust and/or try new things for in game operations. Who is where, and doing what? Same for medical and training staffs, equipment staffs, etc.

Officiating crews on the field and sidelines also can get back into the swing of things with new members, old members doing different things; etc.

Even the stadium staffs get a chance to wake up from a long offseason.

A couple "practice games" are good for everyone.

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Eric Stokes said trip to Badger Athletic Performance revealed foot wasn't strong enough to support hamstring, leading to rash of injuries. He attacked leg strength all offseason.

"I feel like I’m faster than I was before."

Hell of a thought. Stokes ran a 4.25 before.

[Joemailman]

Jaire dialed in. Defensive backfield should look very different this year with a motivated Jaire and much more talent at safety.


“I think the biggest thing,” Alexander said, “is understanding that, although I am on an island all the time and all day, it’s the culmination of everybody being around, and the culmination of the chemistry we’re building now that’s going to matter later on in the season. You’ll see it.”

“Going into Year 7,” Alexander said, “at this point, I’m trying not to make it as much about myself and just do what’s best for the team.”

“I think it’s just trial and tribulations, you know,” Alexander said. “We all grow at different stages of our lifetime, whether that be sooner or later. So it’s just trial and error, and also wanted to be here for the guys. They need a leader around here.”

[Bretsky]

some of the beat writers noted that Xavier McKinney brough immediate leadership into our locker room and embraced Jaire immediately and had a very positive impact on him mentally. Jaire is a character for sure; but he's one of the best when his head is in the right spot.

[bobblehead]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Eric Stokes said trip to Badger Athletic Performance revealed foot wasn't strong enough to support hamstring, leading to rash of injuries. He attacked leg strength all offseason.

"I feel like I’m faster than I was before."

Hell of a thought. Stokes ran a 4.25 before.

His foot was too weak to support the hammy so he worked on leg strength??

[Fritz]

This is such a great and misleading time of year. One teammate says another teammate is a "savage," and we all take that for the Truth, baby! Jaire has his head on straight and he's gonna be great this year! McKinney is going to make sure that whole room plays like All-Pros! Chirstian Watson will never tweak a hammy again! Eric Stokes is running a 4.02 40! Drew Barrymore is gonna date Fritz!

[Joemailman]

This is such a great and misleading time of year. One teammate says another teammate is a "savage," and we all take that for the Truth, baby! Jaire has his head on straight and he's gonna be great this year! McKinney is going to make sure that whole room plays like All-Pros! Chirstian Watson will never tweak a hammy again! Eric Stokes is running a 4.02 40! Drew Barrymore is gonna date Fritz!

You left out that Rashan Gary will have 20 sacks

[bobblehead]

And Jordan Love is going to sign a super team friendly deal for $400 Million over 10 years.

[sharpe1027]

This is such a great and misleading time of year. One teammate says another teammate is a "savage," and we all take that for the Truth, baby! Jaire has his head on straight and he's gonna be great this year! McKinney is going to make sure that whole room plays like All-Pros! Chirstian Watson will never tweak a hammy again! Eric Stokes is running a 4.02 40! Drew Barrymore is gonna date Fritz!

What do you mean misleading? Aren't all those things basically locked in guarantees at this point?

[Patler]

And Jordan Love is going to sign a super team friendly deal for $400 Million over 10 years.

Isn't that something? To realize that $400million earned over 10 years would be very team friendly even in year 1?

[bobblehead]

What do you mean misleading? Aren't all those things basically locked in guarantees at this point?

I think Stokes official time was only a 4.17. The rest is money in the bank though. And Fritz, we want pictures.

[bobblehead]

Isn't that something? To realize that $400million earned over 10 years would be very team friendly even in year 1?

LOL...the union would disown him if he signed that.

[Joemailman]

LOL...the union would disown him if he signed that.

I don't think so. I believe teams have to spend at least 89% of the salary cap over a 4 year period. As long as that is happening, I don't think the union would really care which players get the money.

[Fritz]

I think Stokes official time was only a 4.17. The rest is money in the bank though. And Fritz, we want pictures.

I haven't mastered photoshopping pictures or using AI generated images yet.

[Joemailman]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL
Starting OL today:

Walker - Jenkins - Myers - Rhyan - Morgan

Defense:

Smith - Slaton - Wyatt - Gary
Wilson - Quay - McDuffie
Stokes - Valentine
McKinney - AJJ

Josh Jacobs gets his first team action as starting RB.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

After working back from hamstring injury, the training wheels are off. Josh Jacobs gets first reps of team period for first time this spring. They’re just in shorts, but Jacobs showed some real burst on stretch to right sideline. Looks like that hammy feels fine.



Bill Huber
@BillHuberNFL

Love to Melton for a 75-yard touchdown. Bomb with Johnson closest in coverage.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

AJ Dillon looks a bit more svelt this year. In a great way. He’s built but looks like much more lean muscle. Bit more hop in his step.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

I don’t know who was supposed to block #Packers rookie LB Edgerrin Cooper, but no one did. And when he gets downhill, it’s like being shot out of a cannon. Would’ve dropped Josh Jacobs for a 3-yard loss.




Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Rashan Gary just steamrolled Jordan Morgan on a bull rush. Drove right over him to the ground. Pads or no pads, welcome to the NFL, rook.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Carrington Valentine all over a deep throw to Heath. Valentine ran the route better than Heath. Previous play McKinney all over Musgrave incomplete. Outside of the deep ball to Melton; defense has been sticky as hell so far.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love had frustrating rep with Josh Jacobs open in right flat, but held it searching for play downfield. Bigger play never developed, and Love had to eat it for sack. Immediately pointed to Jacobs, “my bad.”

Those 2 using spring for what it’s meant, getting acquainted.




Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Replying to
@ByRyanWood
Jordan Love finds Josh Jacobs open over the middle. This time, Jacobs doesn’t turn his head around in time. Jacobs immediately raises his hand, “my bad.”




Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love just dropped a dime deep middle to Dontayvion Wicks…dropped. Wicks running a step open on Eric Stokes, and Love didn’t miss. Hit his WR in stride, but Wicks couldn’t hang on.




Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Second kicking period:

Carlson good from 41 and wide left from 45.

Podlesny good from 43 and 46.

Joseph good from 42 and 44.

In total, 11/12. Carlson with the only miss.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Two minute drills coming up!!!

1:20 left. Ball on 25. 0 timeouts. Tie game. Number 2’s up first. 1st & 10.

Clifford deep for Heath. Incomplete. Ballentine with great coverage.

Bullard in coverage in the slot on Sims. Fantastic coverage & pbu. I think the ruled it a sack



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Looked like Javon Bullard had two PBUs, though one should’ve been an INT on a deep ball that bounced off his face.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

1’s up next. Down 3. 1:20. 1 timeout. 1st and 10. Ball on 25.

First down - throw away out of bounds.

Love to Wicks. 10 yards and oob. Valentine in coverage. First down.

Love to Musgrave over the middle for 9. Clock ticks.

Love to Wicks on a slant for about 8. Clock ticks.

Love to Melton for 10 over the middle. Timeout. First down. 34 seconds left. Ball on opposing 36.

Incomplete along the sidelines to Watson. Stokes with great coverage.

28 seconds left. 2nd down. Brenton Cox sack!!!!

Spike.

Fg attempt coming up on 4th down from 39. 57 yard attempt for Podlesney. Had the leg but WIDE left.

Carlson gets a shot as well from 57. Drills it!

Joesph gets a shot - drills it as well.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Joseph from 54 - good.

Podlesney from 54 - good

Carlson from 54 - good

Great overall days from the kickers.




Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

After two-minute drill for the 3s, Joseph, Podlesny and Carlson all hit from 54.

Then they make all three kick from 53 with team huddling around them spraying water and going nuts.

Only Carlson hits and he gets mobbed. Practice over..

[texaspackerbacker]

Great to read, but Jaire wasn't playing?

[Joemailman]

Great to read, but Jaire wasn't playing?

He was there, but not practicing.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

He was there, but not practicing.

OTA! Are you fucking kidding me! OTA! Not a regular season practice. Not even a dumb preseason practice. But a fucking OTA practice!

[Joemailman]

Zach Kruse
@zachkruse2

Packers WR Bo Melton said he can't help but eat cheese curds even though they make his stomach hurt.

The legend grows.

[Fritz]

Anders Carlson responding well to the competition. And his teammates mobbed him after he made the last kick of practice, so they must like him okay, at least better than that punter they drafted a few years ago - what was his name, Scott Pussypants?

I also think Whelan will be better this year, having had a year’s experience.

For their team-building crap they do every year, Whelan should show them how to play rugby.

[Scott Campbell]

Anders Carlson responding well to the competition. And his teammates mobbed him after he made the last kick of practice, so they must like him okay, at least better than that punter they drafted a few years ago - what was his name, Scott Pussypants?

I also think Whelan will be better this year, having had a year’s experience.

For their team-building crap they do every year, Whelan should show them how to play rugby.

I pray even more than LaFluer does when he lines up to kick. We need this to work. But I worry he’s as likely to doink some minivan out in parking lot E as he is to split the uprights.

[Fritz]

We all just have to remember that kickers, like good red wine, take time to develop. This is a big training camp, and a big year, for him.

[bobblehead]

Last year we were a young team who could fade a developing kicker (or so we thought. Kinda backfired when the team made a go of it). This team has high expectations and needs the fully ready port, not the acidic version sitting in the barrel.

[Fritz]

Last year we were a young team who could fade a developing kicker (or so we thought. Kinda backfired when the team made a go of it). This team has high expectations and needs the fully ready port, not the acidic version sitting in the barrel.

I just have a feeling the Young Swede will be the Packers' placekicker this year. I think he'll do better than last year, and at that point will be as good as at least half the kickers in the league. Then next year he'll become The Guy.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky

At Packers minicamp, Jaire Alexander, Xavier McKinney and Keisean Nixon have been given the minicamp off by coach Matt LaFleur. They’ve previously exceeded their threshold for offseason participation to qualify for their workout bonuses. LaFleur has raved about all three.



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Jordan Morgan is the starting right tackle during first 11-on-11 period. Andre Dillard at left tackle with Jenkins, Myers and Rhyan inside.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Eric Wilson all over a swing pass to AJ Dillon. Nice play by the veteran linebacker. He’s been a consistent starter in 43 so far. We’ll see if that changes in camp and if Hopper/Cooper can make some inroads there.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Free play on a hard count by Love followed by an easy 11-yard completion to Doubs.

OL is now Walker - Jenkins - Myers - Morgan - Dillard

Big catch over the middle from Love to Reed. Offense is feeling it so far today.


[QUOTE]
Marques Eversoll
@MarquesEversoll
·
1h
#Packers first Team Period —

- Love play-action fake, rolls left, hits Doubs for 15

- Love changes play, Jacobs runs right thru *huge hole* for big gain.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky

At Packers minicamp, Jaire Alexander, Xavier McKinney and Keisean Nixon have been given the minicamp off by coach Matt LaFleur. They’ve previously exceeded their threshold for offseason participation to qualify for their workout bonuses. LaFleur has raved about all three.



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Jordan Morgan is the starting right tackle during first 11-on-11 period. Andre Dillard at left tackle with Jenkins, Myers and Rhyan inside.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Eric Wilson all over a swing pass to AJ Dillon. Nice play by the veteran linebacker. He’s been a consistent starter in 43 so far. We’ll see if that changes in camp and if Hopper/Cooper can make some inroads there.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Free play on a hard count by Love followed by an easy 11-yard completion to Doubs.

OL is now Walker - Jenkins - Myers - Morgan - Dillard

Big catch over the middle from Love to Reed. Offense is feeling it so far today.




Marques Eversoll
@MarquesEversoll

#Packers first Team Period —

- Love play-action fake, rolls left, hits Doubs for 15

- Love changes play, Jacobs runs right thru *huge hole* for big gain.
- Eric Wilson blows up a throw-back screen to Dillon for loss.

- Love hard count draws Cox offsides, hits Doubs for 10.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL
Clifford completes to Malik Heath over the middle but would have been a hospital ball in a live game.

Julian Hicks with a nice run on an end around.

Pratt to Heath on a run solution. Nice awareness and read from the rookie QB. Followed by Pratt to DuBose on a nice play over the middle!



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Rookie safety Javon Bullard getting some slot reps in #Packers nickel defense. No Keisean Nixon today, opening up those reps. Nickel corner was part of Bullard’s college resume.




Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Red zone drills coming up:

Short completion to Doubs for 2. 2nd and 8.

Interesting play. Potential sack by I think Preston Smith. Let the play run. Complete to Jacobs who makes a great move and takes it into the end zone but they call him down.

Love compete to Melton on a quick out.

Elgton currently in at center!!!!

Brenton Cox with a fantastic pressure. Malik Heath caught in the back of the end zone but couldn’t get the 2nd foot in. Bullard in coverage.

3rd and goal from the 4 upcoming.

Love to Reed for a touchdown who celebrates with a backflip. Brenton Cox with another fantastic pressure, this time beating Andre Dillard clean. Back to back great practices from Cox.



Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky

Notable starters in team:

OL: Dillard, Jenkins, Myers, Ryan, Morgan.

Bullard and Johnson at safety (minus McKinney), Stokes and Valentine at corner (minus Alexander). Ballantine the third corner (minus Nixon).



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

MarShawn Lloyd is seriously so f’n quick. It’s so impressive. Just made a sick juke in the open field.

Zayne Anderson follows it up with an easy pick of a Sean Clifford throw over the middle. Bad decision by Clifford.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL
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Ty’Ron Hopper just knifed through on a blitz for a pressure/potential sack in red zone.

Pratt to Swinson for a touchdown on a bootleg on red zone. Pratt off to a great start today.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Pratt fired perfectly low for Toure in the end zone for a td. some conversation if he caught it but looked like he did. Perfect placement from 17.



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Anderson just picked off Clifford again. Throw over the middle was behind Grant DuBose and deflected. Anderson came down with it.


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Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Great out route and perfect throw from Clifford to Heath.

Emanuel Wilson with a nice run. Big hole generated behind the massive duo of Kadeem Telfort and Caleb Jones on the right side.

Next play same thing. Good blocking from Telfort/Clifford. Eric Wilson did a nice job making sure it wasn’t a bigger play.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Edgerrin Cooper just had a blitz unblocked off the right edge and would have flattened Sean Clifford, if Clifford wasn’t wearing a red jersey. Impressive burst from the rookie linebacker, and a sign #Packers are thinking creatively with him.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Julian Hicks with an impressive catch on an outside throw from Clifford.

Love puts one up deep down the field, Dontayvion Wicks goes up and gets it. Bullard and Valentine in coverage. Ok throw. Not great coverage. Great catch by Wicks.

Love’s next pass batted down at the line.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Jordan Love to Jayden Reed deep down the field for a touchdown. Reed beat Ballentine clean. Maybe a tick underthrown but Reed easily went up and got it for the TD.



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman
Good day for the defense so far. Banks PBU, Wilson in the backfield couple times, Anderson’s two INTs, Ford with a nice run stop. LaFleur didn’t seem too pleased with how far back toward Love that Enagbare pushed Morgan. Then Love responds with a beautiful 22-yard lofted TD pass to Reed down the left side.




Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Two minute drill. Down 28-21. 0 timeouts. 1:09 remaining. Ball at the 50. First and 10. 1’s up first.

Love complete to Doubs on a crosser. 5 yards. Clock ticks.

Love throws a duck over the middle. Seemed to come off his hand weird.

3rd and 5 upcoming. 48 seconds left. Incomplete. Bullard with great coverage on Watson.

Ballentine on a blitz off the slot. Love fires on a crosser to Watson. Valentine with great coverage. Incomplete. Couldn’t tell if Watson dropped it or Ballentine broke it up. Defense wins either way..

[Scott Campbell]

I think Andy gets a little excited when anybody but Meyers is in at center.

[Joemailman]

I think Andy gets a little excited when anybody but Meyers is in at center.

It will be Myers. For one more year.

[Bretsky]

a few MISC tidbits

Anders Carlson has apparently looked better. HE worked out a ton with his Brother, who is a great kicker in the offseason. His percentage sucked when the wind was blowing right to left. So that was their focus and apparentely that is improved...who knows.

More pressers on how MccKinley has really helped Jaire return to football sanity and be a good guy again

[Bretsky]

and some prankster info; apparently 20 plus years ago meals/food was always there for the players after games and practices. James Campen was a lead prankster and one of his peers (chewy) would gripe about how he alwasy walked around in the buff and told everybody was a great body he had when he was kind of a puffcack.

Anyways, his best prank was after a shower, he stuck a chocolate cake donut in between his legs by his behind, ran in front of the team, and spread his legs to force the donut to fall .....picked it up, and took a big bite out of it. Freaked everybody out as they thought he was eating crap. The good ole days.

[Bretsky]

WAS IT TEX, or WHO WAS POUNDING THE TABLE FOR THE 60YD field goal kicker ? HERE HE COMES

The Green Bay Packers have requested to host UFL kicker Jake Bates for a workout.
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The Green Bay Packers continue to do their homework on kickers, and are hoping to secure a tryout with UFL breakout star Jake Bates ahead of training camp.

Bates was one of the biggest stars of the inaugural UFL season. The Michigan Panthers kicker is now drawing significant interest from NFL teams. According to NFL insider Aaron Wilson, the Packers are one of four NFL teams who have requested a workout with Bates.

[RashanGary]

and some prankster info; apparently 20 plus years ago meals/food was always there for the players after games and practices. James Campen was a lead prankster and one of his peers (chewy) would gripe about how he alwasy walked around in the buff and told everybody was a great body he had when he was kind of a puffcack.

Anyways, his best prank was after a shower, he stuck a chocolate cake donut in between his legs by his behind, ran in front of the team, and spread his legs to force the donut to fall .....picked it up, and took a big bite out of it. Freaked everybody out as they thought he was eating crap. The good ole days.

I was 21 when my oldest son was born. We called him our practice child. We let him roll off the couch once. When he was 2 I’d put him on the treadmill to wear him out and he got his hand stuck in there. It’s been a while, but we had a whole list of mistakes I used to joke with him about.

Anyway, I squeezed a brownie into the shape of a cat turd and put it by the cat box. I was like, “hey Ethan, what’s this?” And smelled it, and then slowly took a bite. He was dry heaving. Hilarious. I crack me up.

[RashanGary]

Andy Herman blocked me on both my accounts because of politics :bang:

[Fritz]

I think Carlson will win the job, but the Packers' interest in Bates suggests that Carlson might be on a short leash.

[MadtownPacker]

Considering Bretsky felt he was unworthy of the WR poll Doubs name came up a lot on those reports. Go to guy bitches!

[RashanGary]

AJ Dillon looks completely different with his physical condition. I think he had that wake up call that he almost 2 year honeymooned in door county his way out of the league.

[Bretsky]

Considering Bretsky felt he was unworthy of the WR poll Doubs name came up a lot on those reports. Go to guy bitches!


And Bretsky still undoubtedly thinks' he's still unworthy :))))

[Bretsky]

I think Carlson will win the job, but the Packers' interest in Bates suggests that Carlson might be on a short leash.


I think Bates was the dude who hit a couple 60 yarders (one at 64) and several over 50. Huge Leg. He's probably going to choose a team that gives him a signing bonus to come in and try out. Who knows

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Josh Jacobs is not at today’s second minicamp practice. An excused absence for the #Packard running back. He participated yesterday and has been in Green Bay throughout offseason program.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Team drills upcoming.

Starters

Walker - Jenkins - Myers - Rhyan - Dillard

Gary - Wyatt - Slaton - Smith
Walker - McDuffie
Valentine - Ballentine - Stoked
Williams - Bullard


Wes Hodkiewicz
@WesHod

Wilson blitz off strong side and Love lobs a ball to sideline, which Wicks SOARS to bring down and touch toes inbounds for a nice completion



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Caleb Jones just blocked Jonathan Ford right to the ground. A battle of behemoths and Jones won that round.

Meanwhile Edgerrin Cooper with a potential “sack” of Clifford but more of a coverage sack if anything.

Nice little inside run by Emanuel Wilson.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Peter Bowden the first long snapper up with Podlesney kicking. Orzech comes in for Joseph. I have no idea if these kicks are good or not. No nets and an impossible angle to see. Orzech stays in for Carlson. The consensus seems to be that all 3 kickers went 2/2, 6/6 overall.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Love to Bo Melton. Melton went and got it low with Vallentine in extremely tight and fantastic coverage. Good play all around.

Rashan Gary just absolutely smoked Dillard. Dillard on the ground.

Love to Watson over the middle, complete but Evan Williams would have had him dead



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Christian Watson beats Carrington Valentine to middle of field on in cut a couple reps later, good separation, and Jordan Love doesn’t miss. Sharp start to team period for QB1 today.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

MarShawn Lloyd with a sick one handed catch on a screen pass that goes for around 20. Lloyd caught it and just immediately burst right past Slaton. Nice play by 32.

Love to Doubs for a nice pickup. Sapp right there to make a play but the ball beats him. Nice play from 10 to 87.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Arron Mosby just beat Jordan Morgan clean for a would be sack of Clifford.

Morgan follows it up with a false start.

It’s been a tough start to OTA’s and minicamp for Morgan.

Rochell with a fantastic pick of Clifford. Clifford’s 4th pick of minicamp.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Clifford throws a deep wobbler to DuBose. Incomplete but maybe some DPI. Evan Williams with some pressure off a blitz.

Lecitus Smith with a low snap to Pratt who does a nice job handling it and completing short over the middle.

Pratt high and behind Toure who can’t hang on.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love to Christian Watson, middle
Love to Malik Heath, slant
Love to Luke Musgrave, screen
Love to Romeo Doubs, slant

Nine straight completions before finally tossing one incomplete to Heath, though Corey Ballentine would’ve had a sack. Still.

Jordan Love is having a day.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Move the ball period.

Love to Watson over the middle for a nice pickup.

Dillon run outside. Eric Wilson all over it. Wilson’s received more time at LB and for the most part he’s delivered.

Brenton Cox and Karl Brooks all over an inside run to Dillon.

Love to Heath on a slant for a first down. Quay lined up on the edge that play with Preston inside.

Play action TE screen to Musgrave for about 6 (would have went for more in a game).

Doubs finds a hole in the defense and Love finds him. Offense cutting through the defense atm.

Love to Heath incomplete. Ballentine with a would be sack off the edge.

Love to Wicks in the flat. Short gain.

Lloyd for about 4 but that was the first time he tried to get to fancy. Tried to make one too many cuts and fell down. Should have been a bigger run.

Love to Reed for a first down on 3rd. Nice play to get separation by Jayden.

They end the drive there.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Deslin Alexander beats Luke Tenuta for a would be sack on Clifford.

Clifford fires downfield it nobody there. Been a tough couple days for the 2’s on offense.

Keshawn Banks comes crashing in for a would be sack of Pratt.




Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Two minute drill. 1:18 remaining. 1 timeout. First and 10. Ball at own 25. Down 20-18.

1’s up first.

Love deep to Doubs on first. Overthrown by about 5 yards. Solid coverage from Valentine. Doubs would have had a chance if it was on him.

Love over the middle to Wicks. Behind him and nearly picked on a diving INT attempt by Quay. Ball falls incomplete.

Love fires complete to Reed for a first down over the middle. Clock ticks.

Love to Musgrave for about 14 on a deep out. Also got OOB. McDuffie couldn’t stick with him.

41 seconds left. Ball on 39. First down. Still have the timeout

Ball batted down at the LOS.

Love escapes pressure and scrambles for 7. Timeout. 3rd & 3 upcoming. 33 seconds left. No timeouts left. Ball on 32.

Love complete to Doubs for a first in front of Evan Williams. First down. Clock ticks.

Clocked ball.

2nd down. Ball on 21. 21 seconds left. No timeouts.

Illegal formation on the offense. Moved the ball back to the 26.

False start on the offense. Moved back to the 31. Offense imploding here a bit.

Lloyd inside handoff to the 25. Another false start on the offense. Back to the 30. Under 10 seconds clock should have been nuked and defense should have won but they allow a clock of the ball and a Podlesney kick “wins it.”

Extremely sloppy for the offense at the end. No matter the simulated outcome id call that an L for the offense.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

2’s up next. Same situation.

Clifford to Stanley complete for about 6. Out of bounds.

Clifford sacked. Couldn’t see by who. Timeout offense.

Jonathan Ford bats down the ball at the line.

4th and 9 upcoming.

Hafley brings aggressive pressure. Clifford runs away from Cooper and completes the pass but short of the marker. Defense wins.



Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood

Jordan Love had one bad throw. Behind Dontayvion Wicks on slant. Quay Walker should’ve picked it from trail coverage, but dropped it.

Love then engineered 2-minute drill to get in range for winning fg from 49 yards. Completed 3-6 for 47 yards.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

3’s up next. Same situation.

Pratt to Heath. First down and OOB.

Pratt to Heath on a slant. Dropped. Not the worst thing. Would have been a short gain and clock would have run.

Pratt to Pearson on a checkdown. Clock runs.

Pratt to Wilson in the flat. Loss of yards and clock runs. Timeout. 4th & 5 upcoming.

Pratt to DuBose maybe complete. Impossible to tell. Offense gets the first down.

Hard count leads to a false start on the offense.

1st and 15. 40 seconds left. No timeouts.

Pratt checkdown to Merriweather. 3 yards. Clock ticks.

Pratt fires a seed downfield into a hole between Rochell and Sapp. Ball gets to Melton but Melton can’t come up with it and it falls incomplete. Rochell stays down after the play. Yes definitely shook up but walks off on his wk power. Packers move to final fg period with loud music.



Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Final kicking period with loud music and crazy teammates all around them.

Podlesney - Wide left.

Joseph - good!

Carlson - good!

Podlesney - good!

Joseph - good!

Carlson - good!

That does it for day 2 of minicamp! Next open practice will be the first day of training camp!.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Holy fuck, Mailman. Corners are a-blitzing again.

Ain’t gonna lie: I miss Dom Capers. Ole Dom used to blitz corners all the time. Hopefully we see Stokes blitz from the outside out of the “Psycho” this season!

[Joemailman]

I think Bates was the dude who hit a couple 60 yarders (one at 64) and several over 50. Huge Leg. He's probably going to choose a team that gives him a signing bonus to come in and try out. Who knows

Reports are that Bates is signing with the Lions.

[Fritz]

Will the kicking coach be the Master of Bates?

Maybe the Packers just want to keep scaring the Swedish boy.

Lots of talk about Rasheed Walker, about Jordan Morgan, even Sean Rhyan. Not a word about "I got rolled" Royce. Should be some intense competition on that offensive line.

[Joemailman]

Will the kicking coach be the Master of Bates?

Maybe the Packers just want to keep scaring the Swedish boy.

Lots of talk about Rasheed Walker, about Jordan Morgan, even Sean Rhyan. Not a word about "I got rolled" Royce. Should be some intense competition on that offensive line.

I doubt Newman has much of a chance unless there are injuries to other O-linemen. He has a cap hit of 3.2 million due to contract escalators (Because he started 16 games as a rookie). They can save better than 2 million b going with a young guy.

[bobblehead]

Considering Bretsky felt he was unworthy of the WR poll Doubs name came up a lot on those reports. Go to guy bitches!

Michael Thomas was my original comp on Doubs. 120 Catches for 1208 yards. 92 first downs. You heard it here first.

[MadtownPacker]

Michael Thomas was my original comp on Doubs. 120 Catches for 1208 yards. 92 first downs. You heard it here first.Good call! That’s a number 1 no doubt. Seemed like he never dropped anything and caught many most would drop.

[Scott Campbell]

Reasonable cases to be made for 5 guys emerging to be our #1.

It's good to be us.

[Bretsky]

Michael Thomas was my original comp on Doubs. 120 Catches for 1208 yards. 92 first downs. You heard it here first.


So you are predicting 120 catches for Doubs ?

[Joemailman]

So you are predicting 120 catches for Doubs ?

If Doubs can do for a full season what he did against the Cowboys in the playoffs he will have 102 catches for 2567 yards and 17 TDs. So no, not 120 catches.

[MadtownPacker]

So you are predicting 120 catches for Doubs ?
That was Brees pulling a Rodgers to Davante thing with Thomas to get those numbers.

[texaspackerbacker]

So you are predicting 120 catches for Doubs ?

With the Packers receiver situation as well as Love's tendency to spread it around, I'm pretty sure none of them will come close to 120 catches - and it still will be a great season.

[bobblehead]

So you are predicting 120 catches for Doubs ?

Sure, its the offseason. I can't be wrong for like 9 months!

[run pMc]

With the Packers receiver situation as well as Love's tendency to spread it around, I'm pretty sure none of them will come close to 120 catches - and it still will be a great season.

Agree. Barring injury, there are a lot of mouths to feed and there won't be many GB receivers finishing the regular season with more than 50 or even 60 catches. (Last year Reed had 64, Doubs 59, then Wicks at 39). 100 or 120 catches in this offense would be insanity.

[bobblehead]

Agree. Barring injury, there are a lot of mouths to feed and there won't be many GB receivers finishing the regular season with more than 50 or even 60 catches. (Last year Reed had 64, Doubs 59, then Wicks at 39). 100 or 120 catches in this offense would be insanity.

You might be right, but not until late december.

[Joemailman]

Packers have released K Jack Podlesney.