PREDICT JORDAN LOVE'S NEXT CONTRACT

[Bretsky]

I can't believe this debate isn't already going on.

Two weeks ago, I think I would have predicted 4 years, 205,000, and about 150,000,000 guaranteed

Would have seemed reasonable. Give him a nice deal for his youthful upside. We believe in him. Gute does too. Russ Ball and GB often start out with a lowball but after a while of negotiating they will come together. I though my old prediction was reasonable. He should not get as much as Joe Burrow, or Lamar Jackson, but this was close.

THEN HOLY SHIT Goff happened. Lions, you are kidding right ? 4 year 212,000,000 for

On one hand this is NOT Goff's first big money deal, so he's earned the right to drive a hard bargain.

But he just made Russ Ball's job a lot harder. And now Love has to debate if he's willing to not bust the Packers balls on his first big deal. Perhaps, he could take a somewhat Packer Friendly deal of 3-4 years knowing he'll have another huge payday if he excels. And perhaps he's not willing to go into this season, risking major injury so he accepts a bit less. Or maybe he has balls of steel and goes for the gold.

One thing seems obvious. THis just got harder. And remember every million Russ Ball savesi is money that can get folled into guys like Kenny Clark, and our WR"s and TE's in a couple years when we have to start paying them.

SO WHAT SAY YOU RATS ?

Debate, and Predict the Final Terms of the Jordan Love Contract. Most ljikely it's for 4 years.

So give it your best shot to predict the total contract amount, and guarnteed money, which is also a huge part of this.


Hope you are all doing well !!

[RashanGary]

Same as Goff. Maybe we go 5 years. The longer it goes the more it can turn into a discount.

[MadScientist]

Same as Goff. Maybe we go 5 years. The longer it goes the more it can turn into a discount.

Agree about the 5 years becoming a discount. I heard a discussion about how much the cap is expected to rise in the next couple of years, so the same percentage of the cap for a QB will be like $80M. Goff is a good QB, but they are paying him like he's elite, so Love has reason to expect that range too. So my guess is 5/270, 175 guaranteed. And really hope he stays healthy

[texaspackerbacker]

Obviously Love is worth way more than Goff but I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers get him signed for less than many expect.

I'm gonna go with an assumption that the Packers are pretty far ahead of the game cap-wise. So I'll guess less backloaded than they could if they had to. Make it five years, $75m bonus, salary $25m, $35m, $45m, $50m, and $55m with the first three years guaranteed. That's $285m with $180m guaranteed. Cap hit is $40m, $50m, $60m, $65m, and $70m.

[Scott Campbell]

The Packers want 5 years. Love's camp wants 3. I think they split it at 4. But they are 4 years added to the end of his current contract, meaning we've got him locked up for 24, 25, 26, 27 and the contract expires after the 28 season.

With Goff getting $53M/year, I think Love could average $60. I'm certain he'll average over $55M/year. I'll guess $232M total new money over 4 years. $78M signing bonus. $155M in total guaranteed money.

Meager salary stays the same for this year, but with a $78M signing bonus in his pocket, he'll make due.

[smuggler]

I think we address this next offseason and it's either 60+ aav or a franchise tag.

[Joemailman]

An extension will be signed before preseason games start. 4 years, 230 million.

[bobblehead]

This was debated in another thread awhile ago. I predicted that when he signed it would be the largest contract ever for an NFL player (which is always a QB). Just like every new deal is. It will be too much, but hopefully the impact won't be felt for a few years. Then in a month or so, some guy who doesn't deserve as much as Love will get more. This is the way.

[MadtownPacker]

It will probably happen mid season if things are going well. But Bobble is right is going to be a real financial asswhuppin for the Pack no matter what. Short but $weet works for me.

[Upnorth]

I would love yo see a 6 year 360 million contract.
That's 60 average per year, but starting 2026 will look cheap.

It resets market to make love and his agent happy. Then if we can get a 4 year extension later on we can eventually trade love to the Jets

[Fritz]

Usually the player wants a longer contract, for security’s sake, and the team wants to protect itself against serious injuries with a shorter contract. This is all making my head hurt.

Besides, even if a player gets a longer deal and he outperforms it as the market value increases, that player will often go from gruntled to disgruntled, and things get ugly. So give him the three years or four years he wants, and let’s do the dance again. That way, if he turns out to be really, really good, and then morphs into the asshole that many of the great ones do, the Packers can trade him to the Jets for a dozen first- and second-round picks.

[Scott Campbell]

Usually the player wants a longer contract, for security’s sake, and the team wants to protect itself against serious injuries with a shorter contract. This is all making my head hurt.

I don't think that ligic holds up anymore because of the pace of QB salary escalation. Look at how cheap Mahomes contract looks now.

These guys want to get back into free agency as quick as possible. Kirk Cousins was the master.

Andy Herman said the Packers wanted 5, and Love's camp wanted 3. I can't remember if he had a source on that, or was just speculating.

[texaspackerbacker]

This maybe should be in that other thread about idiotic articles, because it certainly is. I saw a thing that suggested that Jordan Love might sit out the season.

The QBs/players in general who want those shorter term contracts etc. are either malcontents who don't like where they are OR lacking in self-confidence that they will be good long term. Neither of those seems true of Love. Cousins was/is overrated and overpaid, and he probably knew it.

I also reject the idea that the Packers are in bad shape cap-wise. Rather, the Packers are in good enough shape that they don't need to push it to the limit.

[Bretsky]

IF we EXTEND Love now and give him a sideloaded signing bonus it's reasonable to get some type of discount.

Jordan Love hasn't hit the motherf@ck of all signing bonuses yet.

Give him a huge signing bonus, and get a slight slight discount on the annual. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Where is Mahommes now annually ? Josh Allen ?

I don't wanna give the dude 60MIL after seeing him look crappy for half the year and really dam good the second half. I have faith he's going to be really dam good but I don't know if he's going to be a super star yet

Scheftner reported GB is very far apart with Love. Gute announced a couple months ago that we should not expect to get this deal done that soon. IT's reasonable to think this might be a tough negotiation.

We have a lot of very talented guys to sign to contract in the next few years. Saving money hear could be the difference in signing, or losing a #2 WR

[texaspackerbacker]

I tend to not believe the media puke who says it's gonna be tough negotiation. The Packers are in great shape cap-wise, so they don't need to hugely backload the contract. It's a lot more believable that Love would look at this team and decide he wants to be a part of it for a long time - and still get paid massively, of course, but just not being uncooperative about it. It seems like whenever there is a big contract coming up, you have wrongheaded media shit about it, and panicky posters eating the shit up - the usual suspects as I call them,

[MadScientist]

Saying a negotiation like this is going to be tough is like saying the sky is blue. The only ways it wouldn't be tough is if they both have the same numbers and length in mind (they don't), or if the Packers just give Love whatever he wants (they won't, at least without a fight). Yes the Packers should be able to work any one contract under the cap, but it will impact other decisions down the road.

[texaspackerbacker]

To a very limited extent, you are right, but "tough negotiations" are generally the result of either a notoriously troublesome player or a dissatisfied player who really doesn't want to be on a team unless he can hold them up for way too much money? Do either of those seriously sound like Love? They sure don't to me. Reading crap from know-nothing media assholes about what Love thinks is just a matter of non-Packer people trying to stir up trouble. That has happened a ton of times before.

[Teamcheez1]

Love has played one season in the NFL.
He had a good stretch over the last 9 games.
IMO, this hasn’t earned him a contract that makes him at, or close to, the highest paid QB in the league.

Where do you rank him in regards to the other QB’s in the league?
Is he asking for top 5 money, because he’s not there yet.

[Joemailman]

Love has played one season in the NFL.
He had a good stretch over the last 9 games.
IMO, this hasn’t earned him a contract that makes him at, or close to, the highest paid QB in the league.

Where do you rank him in regards to the other QB’s in the league?
Is he asking for top 5 money, because he’s not there yet.

Rodgers signed a contract extension after playing 7 games of the 2008 season.


Green Bay - Flush with almost a $20 million surplus beneath the National Football League salary cap, the Green Bay Packers used up a sizable chunk of it Friday by signing quarterback Aaron Rodgers to a five-year extension through the 2014 season.

Citing a league source, the NFL Network reported that the contract was worth $65 million over six years, with $20 million guaranteed.

"It's certainly a market deal compared to other franchise quarterbacks," said David Dunn, Rodgers' agent for the last few months. "The Packers came at us aggressively for this to be a deal that is commensurate with his peers in the league. Because Aaron likes it so much there, it became an easy decision for him."

Club negotiator Russ Ball first contacted Dunn early in the bye week about 12 days ago. Agreement was reached Friday morning and Rodgers signed it after practice.

"It's surreal and it's humbling," Rodgers said, referring to his sudden change in wealth. "I mean, I'm in shock. I did not expect this at all."

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2008/11/9/657195/on-aaron-rodgers-new-contr


"Now that Aaron Rodgers‘ contract numbers have come in — a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger."

[pittstang5]

The longer the Packers wait, the more money Love is gonna get. And when he gets paid, we'll all be surprised by what he gets until the next QB gets more. It is what it will be. Player salaries are always going up.

[Joemailman]

Some Packer fans will get sticker shock when Love gets his extension, and within a couple of years it will look like a bargain.

[Bretsky]

Some Packer fans will get sticker shock when Love gets his extension, and within a couple of years it will look like a bargain.


You really think in 3 years 60MIL per year will be a bargain ?

What did Mahommes and Josh Allen sign for again ?

Has Jordan Love shown himself to be worth more that Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson based on his accomplishments ?

I could see this one taking a while to get down

[bobblehead]

IF we EXTEND Love now and give him a sideloaded signing bonus it's reasonable to get some type of discount.

Jordan Love hasn't hit the motherf@ck of all signing bonuses yet.

Give him a huge signing bonus, and get a slight slight discount on the annual. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Where is Mahommes now annually ? Josh Allen ?

I don't wanna give the dude 60MIL after seeing him look crappy for half the year and really dam good the second half. I have faith he's going to be really dam good but I don't know if he's going to be a super star yet

Scheftner reported GB is very far apart with Love. Gute announced a couple months ago that we should not expect to get this deal done that soon. IT's reasonable to think this might be a tough negotiation.

We have a lot of very talented guys to sign to contract in the next few years. Saving money hear could be the difference in signing, or losing a #2 WR

Mostly this. Why give Love an absolute max deal (which is what he wants and probably won't settle for less). Make him prove it wasn't a fluke. Show me the downside other than him being a bit pissy about it. If he goes out and wins the MVP guess what....he is going to get the deal he is asking for right now. It might be "more" by then, but so will the cap be. Only the guys in serious MVP conversation each year deserve that stupid deal as they are the only guys who can carry a team. Love showed he can do that for 8-10 games. I want to see it after the league has a year of tape on him.

So let me propose a poll. Is it more likely that Love's value will be higher or lower after this season. Since he is coming off an epic run with 18-1 TD-INT ratio and destroying the cowboys in the playoffs I doubt he can possibly be BETTER than he was. And lets be honest. He wants Burrow Money. He isn't asking for 48M while GB is offering 40M. He is asking for 60. And they should tell him "do it for a full season and playoffs and you can have it". Because odds are heavy that he can't do that again....really heavy since very few ever have. If he does....pay him then.

[bobblehead]

The longer the Packers wait, the more money Love is gonna get. And when he gets paid, we'll all be surprised by what he gets until the next QB gets more. It is what it will be. Player salaries are always going up.

Disagree. Right now I promise Love's agent wants Burrow money. He wants the biggest deal ever for a QB because that is what every deal is. Even Goff, who failed right after his last big deal got a monster deal.
Look at this list:

Joe Burrow
Bengals
28 $275,000,000 $55,000,000 $219,010,000 $146,510,000 2030 Void
Jared Goff
Lions
30 $212,000,000 $53,000,000 $170,611,832 $113,611,832 2029 Void
Justin Herbert
Chargers
26 $262,500,000 $52,500,000 $193,738,375 $133,738,375 2030 UFA
Lamar Jackson
Ravens
27 $260,000,000 $52,000,000 $185,000,000 $135,000,000 2028 Void
Jalen Hurts
Eagles
26 $255,000,000 $51,000,000 $179,304,000 $110,000,000 2029 Void
Kyler Murray
Cardinals
27 $230,500,000 $46,100,000 $160,000,000 $103,300,000 2029 UFA
Deshaun Watson
Browns
29 $230,000,000 $46,000,000 $230,000,000 $230,000,000 2027 Void
Kirk Cousins
Falcons
36 $180,000,000 $45,000,000 $100,000,000 $90,000,000 2028 UFA
Patrick Mahomes
Chiefs
29 $450,000,000 $45,000,000 $141,000,000 $63,081,905 2032 Void


Sorry for formatting. Almost every one of those guys became the biggest deal ever when he signed. When Love signs it will be the largest contract in history. Might as well make sure he is worth it first.

[Bretsky]

Disagree. Right now I promise Love's agent wants Burrow money. He wants the biggest deal ever for a QB because that is what every deal is. Even Goff, who failed right after his last big deal got a monster deal.
Look at this list:

Joe Burrow
Bengals
28 $275,000,000 $55,000,000 $219,010,000 $146,510,000 2030 Void
Jared Goff
Lions
30 $212,000,000 $53,000,000 $170,611,832 $113,611,832 2029 Void
Justin Herbert
Chargers
26 $262,500,000 $52,500,000 $193,738,375 $133,738,375 2030 UFA
Lamar Jackson
Ravens
27 $260,000,000 $52,000,000 $185,000,000 $135,000,000 2028 Void
Jalen Hurts
Eagles
26 $255,000,000 $51,000,000 $179,304,000 $110,000,000 2029 Void
Kyler Murray
Cardinals
27 $230,500,000 $46,100,000 $160,000,000 $103,300,000 2029 UFA
Deshaun Watson
Browns
29 $230,000,000 $46,000,000 $230,000,000 $230,000,000 2027 Void
Kirk Cousins
Falcons
36 $180,000,000 $45,000,000 $100,000,000 $90,000,000 2028 UFA
Patrick Mahomes
Chiefs
29 $450,000,000 $45,000,000 $141,000,000 $63,081,905 2032 Void


Sorry for formatting. Almost every one of those guys became the biggest deal ever when he signed. When Love signs it will be the largest contract in history. Might as well make sure he is worth it first.



AGREE

Jordan Love does not deserve to be the highest paid QB in the NFL yet

But does every QB need to reset the market ? That is what Gary Ellerson the media head says. He said GB should just give him what he wants and it'll be cheap in 3 years To me that is stupid talk. Pay him based on performance and at his point he needs more time to excel to get the money he's asking for.

AND if we're giving him an extension, his first lifechanging deal with F'ck you type money and a signing bonus, it's reasonable for him to take less. He'll get his first signing bonus of over 150,000 milllion dollars.

IS he willing to gamble on himself and risk a major Nick Collins like injury next year (I know it rarely happens but it can) and never get that.

It's OK for Green Bay to "NOT" extend him if he's asking for the world and let him play out next year and see how good he is after coaches make adjustments on him.

I'll bring up TWO examples on how star players treated things when they wanted to stay in GB and were going into their contract year.

NICK COLLINS: he was holding out and it was a DAM good thing he did. He got paid, and soon after he injured his neck and it ended his career. He WAY overplayed his past contract. He was a great guy. He doesn't hold out, he doesn't get his lifechanging deal and he's worse off today.

DEVANTED ADAMS did the opposite of Nick Collins, "And" guys lke TJ Watt. He wanted to stay in GB but just kept playing. Thankfully he never got hurt, but he felt chapped with GB made no effort til after his contract expired. He got his CHING; so financially it worked out for him.
BUT lots of players are not doing what Adams did and just plying it out.

So JORDAN LOVE, most likely his agent is playing some poker. He's trying to ge the best of both world. Get the extension now, maximize what is best for JL, which is fine. But I don't want Gutebag to give in. He is under contract this year for cheap money, and theoretically GB could franchise him two years in a row. That's where we have some power.

So the reasonable things to do it sign him for less money, and guarantee more than you want.

And put yourself in a better position to resign Elgin Jenkins, Zach Tom, and hopefully 3 of the 4 top WR's we have down the road

[bobblehead]

Love's agent would never accept this, but this is what I would offer if I were GB. I would offer a one year extension for $40M fully guaranteed. Thats the 2025 season. I'd give him the Joe Flacco promise. You play 2024 in a way that justifies that 40M and we will give you the biggest deal ever as soon as we are allowed in the 2026 offseason. Love is set for life regardless of what happens. Packers are protected if he pulls a Wentz, Goff, Flacco, Murry, Watson or pick your guy who got paid and then didn't live up to it.

If he runs back a top 5 type season in 2024 here you give him the Burrow deal the first day the league rules allow. Plus you got the added bonus of one more year at a "discount" of $40M.

When his agent says "hell no" you let him play on his deal. Then you tag him if he balls out. Then you extend him with the biggest deal in history. Same result for the packers either way, but Love doesn't get "set for life" if he suffers a career ender during this next year.

[RashanGary]

Love was the best QB in the NFL the second half of the season. Just pay him. Make him top 3. 5 years.

[sharpe1027]

The problem with a one year extension is you get a big hit soon. Most of the contracts have smaller hits early and then increase over time.

[Patler]

Love's agent would never accept this, but this is what I would offer if I were GB. I would offer a one year extension for $40M fully guaranteed. Thats the 2025 season. I'd give him the Joe Flacco promise. You play 2024 in a way that justifies that 40M and we will give you the biggest deal ever as soon as we are allowed in the 2026 offseason. Love is set for life regardless of what happens. Packers are protected if he pulls a Wentz, Goff, Flacco, Murry, Watson or pick your guy who got paid and then didn't live up to it.

That guarantee isn't worth much. Absent his untimely demise or incarceration, under what circumstance would he not be on the team in 2025? It would take more than one bad season for them to give up on their investment after his overall performance last year.

[bobblehead]

Love was the best QB in the NFL the second half of the season. Just pay him. Make him top 3. 5 years.

Carson Wentz was the best QB in the NFL for about an 11 game stretch his first year. Justin Herbert walked on water just 18 months ago. Jared Goff blew chunks bad enough to be traded. DeShaun Watson was "michael jordan of football".

Forgive me if I'd like to see a little more before locking him up for a couple hundred million. He threw a LOT of bad across the field passes that worked during that stretch. Then he threw one against a good D like SF.

[bobblehead]

That guarantee isn't worth much. Absent his untimely demise or incarceration, under what circumstance would he not be on the team in 2025? It would take more than one bad season for them to give up on their investment after his overall performance last year.

That guarantee is worth $40M. Thats what its worth. Even if he has a heart attack on the field that is completely unrelated to anything other than being hit. Right now he has what? Maybe $20M this year? Big difference in the size of those insurance policies.

edit: But I admitted his agent wouldn't do it. I would just let him play this season, then if he balls out I would tag him and give him the mega deal. And sharpe, by doing it this way he never actually signs the tag, so you don't get crushed year one of the deal. I'd make the offer so he could feel he "bet on himself" and not feel totally disrespected. Its a safe offer to make since he won't take it.

[bobblehead]

All that being said, by the end of June he will be the highest paid QB in the game with a deal that tops Burrow. Not the way I would play it, but its what will happen. I have a good track record with this stuff. I said "we won't trade Rodgers" the year we didn't. Then I said "he gone" before we did. I even predicted the cutting of Ryan Grant when everyone thought I was bonkers.

This kind of thing is easier to predict than actually predicting a player will pan out or not. I am all in that Morgan will be a stalwart OL for a decade, but I could be wrong on that. This....no, Love is getting his and he is getting it soon.

[Joemailman]

All that being said, by the end of June he will be the highest paid QB in the game with a deal that tops Burrow. Not the way I would play it, but its what will happen. I have a good track record with this stuff. I said "we won't trade Rodgers" the year we didn't. Then I said "he gone" before we did. I even predicted the cutting of Ryan Grant when everyone thought I was bonkers.

This kind of thing is easier to predict than actually predicting a player will pan out or not. I am all in that Morgan will be a stalwart OL for a decade, but I could be wrong on that. This....no, Love is getting his and he is getting it soon.

I'm wondering if the Cowboys overpay Dak making him the highest paid, how that will affect the Love situation. Should Gute get the Love deal done before the Cowboys and Dak?

[Bretsky]

Love's agent would never accept this, but this is what I would offer if I were GB. I would offer a one year extension for $40M fully guaranteed. Thats the 2025 season. I'd give him the Joe Flacco promise. You play 2024 in a way that justifies that 40M and we will give you the biggest deal ever as soon as we are allowed in the 2026 offseason. Love is set for life regardless of what happens. Packers are protected if he pulls a Wentz, Goff, Flacco, Murry, Watson or pick your guy who got paid and then didn't live up to it.

If he runs back a top 5 type season in 2024 here you give him the Burrow deal the first day the league rules allow. Plus you got the added bonus of one more year at a "discount" of $40M.

When his agent says "hell no" you let him play on his deal. Then you tag him if he balls out. Then you extend him with the biggest deal in history. Same result for the packers either way, but Love doesn't get "set for life" if he suffers a career ender during this next year.


To me this is reasonable but with if the Nick Collins situation occurs ?

If we are giving him an extension early Love should take less per year in exchange for a healthy signing bonus to set him up for life.

Do it for 4 years and he'll get another insane contract if he performs

[RashanGary]

We have a season ahead he’s set to make peanuts in QB money terms. And then a franchise year which isn’t what any qb wants. He has half a season of elite pay.

He should not be the top paid QB in the league. A couple points over Goff. That’s it.

[RashanGary]

Goff is a sb winning QB. Averaged about 4k yards 65% 25TDs and 10 picks.

Love has half a season of elite pay and two years he’s under team control.

Goffs deal is fair. Period.

[Joemailman]

Goff is a sb winning QB. Averaged about 4k yards 65% 25TDs and 10 picks.

Love has half a season of elite pay and two years he’s under team control.

Goffs deal is fair. Period.

Goff is pretty good, but he's actually a SB losing QB. He was pretty bad against the Patriots.

[texaspackerbacker]

Goff is crap. Love is hugely better and will get better yet.

[Patler]

That guarantee is worth $40M. Thats what its worth. Even if he has a heart attack on the field that is completely unrelated to anything other than being hit. Right now he has what? Maybe $20M this year? Big difference in the size of those insurance policies.

I don't think you are getting my point. Two scenarios:

1. GB offers $40 million for 2025.
2. GB offers $40 million for 2025, and guarantees it.

The guarantee of scenario 2 does not add much value, because the risk of him not collecting under scenario 1 is not very high. Could something happen? Sure, but not likely. The guarantee adds very little to the offer. If scenario 1 is not acceptable, the guarantee of scenario 2 won't change that.

[Patler]

GB gave Rodgers an elite QB contract after just a handful of starts.

Love has an entire season and playoff performances that certainly compare favorably to Rodgers in 2008 and 2022. In fact, only a handful of Rodgers seasons throughout his career have been significantly superior statistically to Love's 2022 season.

If GB is financially able, why should they not roll the dice with Love like they did with Rodgers in 2008?

[Fritz]

Given how easy it is for the Packer organization to find the next great franchise QB, trade him for a half-dozen first round picks to some desperate sad-sack organization and then go get you another one. Let him play behind Sean Clifford for two years instead of three, then get a few years of cheap, great QB play, then start it all over again.

OR pay Love, soon.

[bobblehead]

We have a season ahead he’s set to make peanuts in QB money terms. And then a franchise year which isn’t what any qb wants. He has half a season of elite pay.

He should not be the top paid QB in the league. A couple points over Goff. That’s it.

but Goff is the 2nd highest paid QB in the league.

[bobblehead]

I don't think you are getting my point. Two scenarios:

1. GB offers $40 million for 2025.
2. GB offers $40 million for 2025, and guarantees it.

The guarantee of scenario 2 does not add much value, because the risk of him not collecting under scenario 1 is not very high. Could something happen? Sure, but not likely. The guarantee adds very little to the offer. If scenario 1 is not acceptable, the guarantee of scenario 2 won't change that.

And as JH said, it protects him against the nick collins injury. Or the 7 concussions Tua got in 3 games. The guarantee definitely matters.

[bobblehead]

GB gave Rodgers an elite QB contract after just a handful of starts.

Love has an entire season and playoff performances that certainly compare favorably to Rodgers in 2008 and 2022. In fact, only a handful of Rodgers seasons throughout his career have been significantly superior statistically to Love's 2022 season.

If GB is financially able, why should they not roll the dice with Love like they did with Rodgers in 2008?

And they will. I'm just saying I wouldn't. Not yet. Show me another season and you can have the top contract in the league.

[Patler]

Given how easy it is for the Packer organization to find the next great franchise QB, trade him for a half-dozen first round picks to some desperate sad-sack organization and then go get you another one. Let him play behind Sean Clifford for two years instead of three, then get a few years of cheap, great QB play, then start it all over again.

OR pay Love, soon.

The secret discovered in GB is this: get him when you find him, do not wait until you need him.

[Patler]

And as JH said, it protects him against the nick collins injury. Or the 7 concussions Tua got in 3 games. The guarantee definitely matters.

I disagree. The likelihood of a QB sustaining a career ending injury is quite small, especially under today's rules. They don't get hurt that badly as a defender lightly tugs the ribbon-like flag from their belts, or gently touches them between their shoulders and waist. :)

[Patler]

And they will. I'm just saying I wouldn't. Not yet. Show me another season and you can have the top contract in the league.

Were you against the Rodgers contract in 2008? I actually was. I thought he needed to prove more than he had in the few games he had played.

The Patler of then would agree with you now, about Love. The Patler of now is a more accepting realist of the absurd amounts money and how it is spent in the NFL.

[MadtownPacker]

And they will. I'm just saying I wouldn't. Not yet. Show me another season and you can have the top contract in the league.
Record will show a bad GM that made the wrong call twice and cost his franchise more $$$.

Pay now or pay more later and maybe to some asshole who ain’t half as good.

[ThunderDan]

Record will show a bad GM that made the wrong call twice and cost his franchise more $$$.

Pay now or pay more later and maybe to some asshole who ain’t half as good.

My business partner is a Vikings fan and is bitching about how stupid the GM is on Justin Jefferson. Says the GM is closing the franchise millions. The highest WR contract is now 4 or 5 million higher a year since when they should have made him the highest paid WR. Every day the chance is the “next” highest WR contract comes in costing MN more.

[bobblehead]

Were you against the Rodgers contract in 2008? I actually was. I thought he needed to prove more than he had in the few games he had played.

The Patler of then would agree with you now, about Love. The Patler of now is a more accepting realist of the absurd amounts money and how it is spent in the NFL.

I can't recall to be honest. I would say that given my disposition and nature I was....and for the same reasons. I also recall being one of his defenders though and not a detractor. I tend to push back against the more radical ideas....Like Skinbasket declaring Chad Clifton a better QB than Love...or something like that.

[bobblehead]

Record will show a bad GM that made the wrong call twice and cost his franchise more $$$.

Pay now or pay more later and maybe to some asshole who ain’t half as good.

well, if you are talking about the Rodgers contract I was firmly in favor of trading him to Denver for like 9 firsts or whatever. I just knew we weren't going to. And I proposed forcing him to put his money where his mouth was by offering to trade Love if he would sign 2 more years on the back end for $25M a season. My exact proposal was to trade Rodgers, Adams and Bak and begin the rebuild with a mountain of draft capital. We timed Adams perfect, were late on Rodgers and got pimp rolled on Bak. I wanted to trade anyone over 30 at the time because I figured when SF whooped us with a blocked punt our window was closed....and what do you know, I was corrrect.

[RashanGary]

The idea of giving Love 40M guaranteed doesn’t seem realistic. They signed him to a 2 year deal last year that was essentially a 5th year option where they paid half in the 4th year. If they want to see one more year, they can see it for 10M not 40.

Thunderdan mentioned Justin Jefferson’s contract getting much larger as time passes.

NFL front office types are well aware of the price that is paid for investing in the wrong person. Love has the arm, mobility, big body that should be durable, big bad weather hands, off platform ability, accuracy…. He has it all. Gute mentioned something about knowing the “person” and knowing whether they can count on him to become his best. There is a certain “it” factor with quarterbacks that half a season of elite play doesn’t prove. So as Patler said, it’s a roll of the dice.


But I say roll it now. 53 now is 13% less than a likely 60 next year. The peacock deal and all the additional time and day slots that keep being added, the talk of an 18 game schedule on the horizon. 60 might be unrealistically low by the time next offseason rolls around.

If he fails you move on in 3 years and eat some cap consequences.

I think you roll the dice. And I do think loves camp will be a little bit understanding of the 1/2 year of proven play situation and it’ll be a little lower than a lot of people think. Maybe 50 per.

[bobblehead]

The idea of giving Love 40M guaranteed doesn’t seem realistic. They signed him to a 2 year deal last year that was essentially a 5th year option where they paid half in the 4th year. If they want to see one more year, they can see it for 10M not 40.

Thunderdan mentioned Justin Jefferson’s contract getting much larger as time passes.

NFL front office types are well aware of the price that is paid for investing in the wrong person. Love has the arm, mobility, big body that should be durable, big bad weather hands, off platform ability, accuracy…. He has it all. Gute mentioned something about knowing the “person” and knowing whether they can count on him to become his best. There is a certain “it” factor with quarterbacks that half a season of elite play doesn’t prove. So as Patler said, it’s a roll of the dice.


But I say roll it now. 53 now is 13% less than a likely 60 next year. The peacock deal and all the additional time and day slots that keep being added, the talk of an 18 game schedule on the horizon. 60 might be unrealistically low by the time next offseason rolls around.

If he fails you move on in 3 years and eat some cap consequences.

I think you roll the dice. And I do think loves camp will be a little bit understanding of the 1/2 year of proven play situation and it’ll be a little lower than a lot of people think. Maybe 50 per.

If he would take 50 for 3 to 5 years then sign him. He won't. Its going to be 56 per and nearly impossible to move away from as most of it will be locked in. It could also be 60 per right now but for like 10 years so it doesn't look so bad in 3 years ala maholmes deal.

[Scott Campbell]

Mike Tannenbaum went on Dan Patrick yesterday and said if there was a draft where you could pick any player, he's taking Mahomes first and Jordan Love second.

I think it's safe to forget about any hometown discounts, or there not being enough of a track record to pay the guy. I think Jordan is about to become the highest paid player in the history of football. They won't wait to do this.

[bobblehead]

Scott, I think I have been very clear that its happening. I just don't agree with it. And Love 2nd in the entire league? Maybe. Its got to be a QB and he is young and talented. He also is working with a very smart coach who had 3 years to mold him. Personally its Burrow in a no brainer for me. Then you got a logjam where it can be a lot of guys. Factor in youth and Love, Herbert, Stroud are all pretty close in my book. I've seen Burrow do it for multiple years. He is clearly the #2 QB in the NFL in my book.

[call_me_ishmael]

Scott, I think I have been very clear that its happening. I just don't agree with it. And Love 2nd in the entire league? Maybe. Its got to be a QB and he is young and talented. He also is working with a very smart coach who had 3 years to mold him. Personally its Burrow in a no brainer for me. Then you got a logjam where it can be a lot of guys. Factor in youth and Love, Herbert, Stroud are all pretty close in my book. I've seen Burrow do it for multiple years. He is clearly the #2 QB in the NFL in my book.

Good post. I agree.

[Bretsky]

Scott, I think I have been very clear that its happening. I just don't agree with it. And Love 2nd in the entire league? Maybe. Its got to be a QB and he is young and talented. He also is working with a very smart coach who had 3 years to mold him. Personally its Burrow in a no brainer for me. Then you got a logjam where it can be a lot of guys. Factor in youth and Love, Herbert, Stroud are all pretty close in my book. I've seen Burrow do it for multiple years. He is clearly the #2 QB in the NFL in my book.


It's idiotic to say Love over Burrow at this point.

Has Love shown more than Stroud ?

Has Love shown more than Herbert ?

Has Love shown more than Josh Allan (yes, I would prefer Jordan)

I agree with you, but I'd like to see more of him before backing up the truck and letting his agent get everything he wants. Because we can't keep everybody so monies saved will mean more players we can keep

[Joemailman]

If you're talking about guaranteed money, I would take Love over Burrow because of Burrow's injury history. I think Love is as good as Herbert or Stroud. But this isn't about the past so much as the future. It's about projecting how good Love will be in the future, and projecting how big QB salaries will be in the future. If I could have any current NFL QB for the next 5 years, I'm not sure I would take anyone other than Mahomes over Love.

[call_me_ishmael]

It's idiotic to say Love over Burrow at this point.

Has Love shown more than Stroud ?

Has Love shown more than Herbert ?

Has Love shown more than Josh Allan (yes, I would prefer Jordan)

I agree with you, but I'd like to see more of him before backing up the truck and letting his agent get everything he wants. Because we can't keep everybody so monies saved will mean more players we can keep

You'd really prefer Jordan Love over Josh Allen? That's bananas IMO. Love has done it once. Allen has shown consistency over a long period of time.

[Joemailman]

You'd really prefer Jordan Love over Josh Allen? That's bananas IMO. Love has done it once. Allen has shown consistency over a long period of time.

Allen has done it for a longer time, but he's become more turnover prone the longer he plays. 47 INT's over the last 3 seasons. His best season was in 2020. He's spectacular, but Love might be more steady.

[smuggler]

The way I see players paid, it does not seem to matter where in the hierarchy of greatness a guy is. He just gets paid based on how recently his contract was signed.

It only really makes sense for you lock a guy down if he's top 10 and you should probably move on if he's not. The NFL absolutely does not agree with me in this principle though.

[Bretsky]

You'd really prefer Jordan Love over Josh Allen? That's bananas IMO. Love has done it once. Allen has shown consistency over a long period of time.



I guess I've fallen into the trap of drinking the extreme homerism Kool Aide like many in here after watching him play about a really good "half season" of football.