Love Signs Extension

[Joemailman]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Jordan Love and the Packers have agreed to a 4 year $220M contract, that makes him the highest paid QB in NFL history. He also gets a record $75M Signing Bonus plus $155M in new full gurantees. Deal negotiated by David Mulugheta & Andrew Kessler of Athletes First.

[QBME]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Jordan Love and the Packers have agreed to a 4 year $220M contract, that makes him the highest paid QB in NFL history. He also gets a record $75M Signing Bonus plus $155M in new full gurantees. Deal negotiated by David Mulugheta & Andrew Kessler of Athletes First.

Alright!
Here we go!
BTW - you were pretty damn close with your prediction a couple months ago

[MadtownPacker]

I’m glad he will be the highest paid ever for a few months. Now that shit is done so time to earn it!

[smuggler]

So his current contract is basically 5/232... That's a HUGE win for the Packers, if he becomes close to what he displayed at the end of last season.

[Teamcheez1]

I don’t mind the dollar value, but the structure is almost as bad as the Deshaun Watson contract.

[Joemailman]

I don’t mind the dollar value, but the structure is almost as bad as the Deshaun Watson contract.

Do we know that much about the structure? At any rate, Watson's contract was fully guaranteed. And Love isn't dealing with civil lawsuits due to sexual misconduct.

[red]

well, there goes the advantage of having a young QB

at least its done

[Joemailman]

well, there goes the advantage of having a young QB

at least its done

It's been 10 years since a team won the Super Bowl with a QB on his rookie contract. It's an overrated idea.

[ThunderDan]

Didn't Mahommes when on his rookie deal?

[King Friday]

Seems like a reasonable deal for both sides that was close to what many expected based on Trevor’s deal with the Jags. Now the team can put their full focus toward a SB run. Maybe Love just had it out for Tua and was waiting for him to sign so he could steal his thunder.

[ThunderDan]

Win not when

[Joemailman]

Didn't Mahommes when on his rookie deal?

You're right. I forgot about his 1st one. He's won 2 more since signing his extension.

[texaspackerbacker]

Excellent News.

[MadtownPacker]

You're right. I forgot about his 1st one. He's won 2 more since signing his extension.
Pretty sure it was his third year, but it was his first year full time starting.

[call_me_ishmael]

Feels like an awfully big contract. I get that's the cost and it is what it is but dang, doesn't look good.

[MadtownPacker]

Seems like a reasonable deal for both sides that was close to what many expected based on Trevor’s deal with the Jags. Now the team can put their full focus toward a SB run. Maybe Love just had it out for Tua and was waiting for him to sign so he could steal his thunder.
No sir, it’s because Tua hasn’t won a playoff game and didn’t beat Mahomes.

[Joemailman]

Andrew Brandt
@AndrewBrandt

Seeing reports of Jordan Love deal.
Sensed the sticking point was Packers wanting longer extension, 5 or 6 years. Love able to get a 4-yr extension after his agents did same for Tua.
Love will be negotiating again - when the market is over $60M per year - before age 30.
Win.

[Fritz]

Andrew Brandt
@AndrewBrandt

Seeing reports of Jordan Love deal.
Sensed the sticking point was Packers wanting longer extension, 5 or 6 years. Love able to get a 4-yr extension after his agents did same for Tua.
Love will be negotiating again - when the market is over $60M per year - before age 30.
Win.

Not sure a longer contract would matter much since they all want to renegotiate after three years anyway.

[Patler]

You can make an argument that the Packers may have wanted the shorter contract. Less commitment until he proves that he is the player he was at the end of last season, and not something less than that, like in the first half of last year.

[red]

Not sure a longer contract would matter much since they all want to renegotiate after three years anyway.

great point

packers like to renegotiate after a few years too these days to push cap hits back

[red]

Feels like an awfully big contract. I get that's the cost and it is what it is but dang, doesn't look good.

i thought the same thing at first

but love is a starting QB, and a franchise QB at that. he was gonna get a massive deal no matter if it was the top contract (55 million) or a mid tier starting QB (45 million ish)

[Joemailman]

Gute PC at 9:30. https://www.packers.com/

[Joemailman]

You can make an argument that the Packers may have wanted the shorter contract. Less commitment until he proves that he is the player he was at the end of last season, and not something less than that, like in the first half of last year.

I don't think they've had any doubts since he outplayed, and beat Justin Herbert, Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes in successive weeks.

[CaptainKickass]

1. Love, $55 million
1. Trevor Lawrence, $55 million
1. Joe Burrow, $55 million
4. Tua Tagovailoa, $53.1 million
5. Jared Goff, $53.0 million
6. Justin Herbert, $52.5 million
7. Lamar Jackson, $52 million
8. Jalen Hurts, $51 million

The market price for QB's is at an all time high. But out of these 8 quarterbacks, which one would you really rather have?

For me? Jordan love without hesitation.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So, they signed Sloth McKinney and the Filipino Bulldog (Jacobs). They overpaid once again for Cletidius Clark’s service. And they made the Lovemaker a member of the “highest paid” club.

It ain’t many a-moons ago, clueless Pack fans, like, Bobble, Stud, Run and the Kentucky were barking about the Packers burning in the dreaded “cap hell.”

How the fuck do you sign McKinney, Jacobs, Cletidius and Love at market rates while in a fucking cap hell?

Never, ever question my cap acuity/ingenuity again.

[MadtownPacker]

Wow congrats Anti-Tank Bear, you’re good enough with guessing numbers. But I can’t look up to some chump that couldn’t get laid in Vegas. Sorry man but have a code to live by.

[MadtownPacker]

Feels like an awfully big contract. I get that's the cost and it is what it is but dang, doesn't look good.Even though you will run away from the question, who the hell else would they get to QB the team?

[Joemailman]

As many have suggested, it's really a 3 year extension and then a renegotiation.

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Jordan Loves cap hits per Spotrac:

2024: $20,757,731

2025: $29,757,731

2026: $36,157,731

2027: $42,457,731

2028: $74,200,000

2029: $34,700,000 (voided dead cap

[ThunderDan]

So, they signed Sloth McKinney and the Filipino Bulldog (Jacobs). They overpaid once again for Cletidius Clark’s service. And they made the Lovemaker a member of the “highest paid” club.

It ain’t many a-moons ago, clueless Pack fans, like, Bobble, Stud, Run and the Kentucky were barking about the Packers burning in the dreaded “cap hell.”

How the fuck do you sign McKinney, Jacobs, Cletidius and Love at market rates while in a fucking cap hell?

Never, ever question my cap acuity/ingenuity again.

You spend $7,000,000 on your whole WR room. Trade ARod last year and cut Bacteria.

[Patler]

The market price for QB's is at an all time high. But out of these 8 quarterbacks, which one would you really rather have?

For me? Jordan love without hesitation.

The market price for QBs is always at an all-time high. I would take Love over the others, too, but not at a huge premium. Love still has to prove season-long dominance. He could still turn out to be a hot and cold performer. I don't think that will be the case, but, until he demonstrates long-term consistency, he has question marks, just like the others.

[MadtownPacker]

Just say it Patler. He took the damn money and now he has to win a championship within that timeframe. Anything less is a failure to deliver IMO. With great money comes great responsibility so as far as I’m concerned the honeymoon is over.

[sharpe1027]

I guess there's only one thing left to do, win the whole damn thing.

[Patler]

Just say it Patler. He took the damn money and now he has to win a championship within that timeframe. Anything less is a failure to deliver IMO. With great money comes great responsibility so as far as I’m concerned the honeymoon is over.

Nah, he doesn't have to win a championship; he just has to play well enough to win one, keep the Packers consistently among those favored to win championships, and not be the main reason they don't win one. If he does that, the Packers will continue to pay him consistent with the top QB contracts.

We've seen championship opportunities lost in the past by play of the defense and special teams and coaching decisions. Others were lost by unforeseeable, unfortunate circumstances, key injuries, even front office actions or inactions. At times, Favre and Rodgers came up short in key situations after having won SBs early in their careers. They continued to get paid because with them the chance was always there.

[texaspackerbacker]

That list of eight high paid QBs above, I agree completely with what somebody said, I'd take Love over any of them. Interesting that Mahomes wasn't on the list. He's the only one I'd even consider on a par with Love.

For better or worse, it's "3 years then re-negotiate". I think this was a result of Love sort of betting on himself - that in three years, he will be generally considered so good that he will make even more (not to mention that the cap and the market in general will be significantly higher then).

I'm glad it's over and that it came down the way it did. I thoroughly expect three GREAT years with Love and the rest of the team. Super Bowls? Championships? Yeah, whatever. That is meh to me except on the day of each playoff game we win. Only then it's a big deal. Winning virtually every game, going something like 16-1 or 15-2 is what is big to me.

[call_me_ishmael]

Even though you will run away from the question, who the hell else would they get to QB the team?

Nobody. Love's the guy and gonna be a good one. It is just odd how everyone hated the ARod extension and then this guy signs an even bigger one and it's all roses.

[Joemailman]

Nobody. Love's the guy and gonna be a good one. It is just odd how everyone hated the ARod extension and then this guy signs an even bigger one and it's all roses.

Love is 13 years younger than Rodgers was when signing his extension. That's a lot of it. People were concerned that the Rodgers extension was given to a guy likely to decline. They may have been right. Since signing the extension Rodgers has had 1 mediocre season and 1 season that lasted 4 plays.

[sharpe1027]

Love is 13 years younger than Rodgers was when signing his extension. That's a lot of it. People were concerned that the Rodgers extension was given to a guy likely to decline. They may have been right. Since signing the extension Rodgers has had 1 mediocre season and 1 season that lasted 4 plays.

This. People weren't generally upset about the previous extension for Rodgers. The last one, however, was a bigger risk.

[NewsBruin]

Love is 13 years younger than Rodgers was when signing his extension. That's a lot of it. People were concerned that the Rodgers extension was given to a guy likely to decline. They may have been right. Since signing the extension Rodgers has had 1 mediocre season and 1 season that lasted 4 plays.

My gripe was that it came off to me like "money to assuage hurt feelings (because we don't trust the backup yet.)."

I don't have a problem with players having hurt feelings about being cut or replaced or unappreciated; I'm old enough that I've seen this movie plenty of times before, while they're living it for the first time around. I just don't like dipping into the pot to convince someone they're wanted when that pot now has less money for other players.

A larger paycheck wasn't going to fix what hurt Aaron, but it was going to have us top out at Sammy Watkins for FA pickups.

[texaspackerbacker]

Nobody. Love's the guy and gonna be a good one. It is just odd how everyone hated the ARod extension and then this guy signs an even bigger one and it's all roses.

You like to throw around the word, everybody hahahaha. I and pretty much anybody else who wasn't a dumbass were thrilled with the Rodgers extension, same as people should be now with Love.

[run pMc]

You spend $7,000,000 on your whole WR room. Trade ARod last year and cut Bacteria.

Yep. If they can keep Love's contract from consuming more than 15% of the cap in any year they will probably be ok... assuming he plays up to the contract. You absolutely need an above average QB to win (or be a strong contend) for a SB, and you have to pay to get and keep one.
It's a lot of money and there's certainly risk, but I think they've seen enough internally to know he's the guy.
Clark's extension actually saved them $1M this year, and Jacobs basically got the same contract Aaron Jones had. McKinney was an unexpected signing, but they had cap room for him and Love by releasing Bakhtiari, Jones, Campbell, and clearing the space from Rodgers trade. They weren't in cap hell this year; that was last year when they had JAGs starting at safety and rookies at WR/TE. They had cap space because they were almost done unwinding the dead cap from the all-in years.

A few other thoughts:
- after 2025, things get real interesting for this team and the cap. Watson, Doubs, Tom are FA; after 2026 it's Reed, Wicks, Musgrave, Kraft, Valentine, etc. There's no way they can keep all those players.
- Gute has mentioned the cap and how Covid affected it a few times in recent pressers. Perhaps he's like those who believe the NFL Sunday Ticket mess could cause a similar dip for a year or more; I don't think we can assume the cap will continue to grow without interruption indefinitely.

The void year money on Love's contract doesn't thrill me, and I'm not convinced he should be the highest paid player, but in a few years this probably looks like a good contract and they will renegotiate it after 2026 (most likely after 2027).

[MadtownPacker]

Nah, he doesn't have to win a championship; he just has to play well enough to win one, keep the Packers consistently among those favored to win championships, and not be the main reason they don't win one. If he does that, the Packers will continue to pay him consistent with the top QB contracts.

We've seen championship opportunities lost in the past by play of the defense and special teams and coaching decisions. Others were lost by unforeseeable, unfortunate circumstances, key injuries, even front office actions or inactions. At times, Favre and Rodgers came up short in key situations after having won SBs early in their careers. They continued to get paid because with them the chance was always there.The best way to defeat a wizard is to turn his own magic against him so here goes…. :lol:

As you mentioned, they continued to get contracts after winning a SB by their 5th year. Had they not won one I have to believe they don’t get the same offers to chase another one. That’s what I’m saying with Love. He has to at least get to one in 5 years or most will turn on him.

[MadtownPacker]

Nobody. Love's the guy and gonna be a good one. It is just odd how everyone hated the ARod extension and then this guy signs an even bigger one and it's all roses.Dude that contract was Rodgers on his way downhill. Love is rising up the mountain so how can you even compare. One contract was for what the QB had already done. This contract is about what the QB is gonna do. You’re supposed to be a stock guy and you can’t understand that investment? Probably just making all that shit up you studio gangsta.

[MadScientist]

Dude that contract was Rodgers on his way downhill. Love is rising up the mountain so how can you even compare. One contract was for what the QB had already done. This contract is about what the QB is gonna do. You’re supposed to be a stock guy and you can’t understand that investment? Probably just making all that shit up you studio gangsta.

It's not the cost, it's the value. We think Love will be worth the contract, despite the small sample size. That's the other thing with the Rodgers contract, if he had left a year earlier, we'd be more certain of Love's value, although the lack of receivers in '22 might have limited Love's development.

[texaspackerbacker]

The best way to defeat a wizard is to turn his own magic against him so here goes…. :lol:

As you mentioned, they continued to get contracts after winning a SB by their 5th year. Had they not won one I have to believe they don’t get the same offers to chase another one. That’s what I’m saying with Love. He has to at least get to one in 5 years or most will turn on him.

How about if they win 16 or so each regular season but somehow blow it in the playoffs. That to me would be damn good, probably better than one super bowl and three or four mediocre seasons.

It shouldn't be necessary to disrespect the career of the GOAT just because we appreciate the potential next GOAT.

[Patler]

Dude that contract was Rodgers on his way downhill. Love is rising up the mountain so how can you even compare. One contract was for what the QB had already done. This contract is about what the QB is gonna do. You’re supposed to be a stock guy and you can’t understand that investment? Probably just making all that shit up you studio gangsta.


It's not the cost, it's the value. We think Love will be worth the contract, despite the small sample size. That's the other thing with the Rodgers contract, if he had left a year earlier, we'd be more certain of Love's value, although the lack of receivers in '22 might have limited Love's development.

That, and it was totally wasted money. They had Rodgers under control for as long as they were going to want him before the Jordan Love experiment would begin. Rodgers may have whined, complained, skipped practices, camps, whatever; but in the end he wasn't likely to retire yet, regardless of what he said. If he did, so what? The had a first round QB on the roster to replace him.

That last contract was a flat-out gift to Rodgers, just to shut him up. They should have played hardball with him, instead. It was fiscally irresponsible, in my opinion.

[Patler]

The best way to defeat a wizard is to turn his own magic against him so here goes…. :lol:

As you mentioned, they continued to get contracts after winning a SB by their 5th year. Had they not won one I have to believe they don’t get the same offers to chase another one. That’s what I’m saying with Love. He has to at least get to one in 5 years or most will turn on him.

I don't think winning the SBs had anything to do with their later contracts. Both remained in the handful of best QBs in the league even when their teams came up short, and even when they themselves were less than stellar at times in the playoffs. The Packers would have continued to pay them as elite so long as they stayed in the discussions for best QBs in the league. Success is so dependent on QB play in the NFL, and at anyone one time there are so few QBs really playing well year after year, that if you have one, you have to pay him.

[Fritz]

The best way to defeat a wizard is to turn his own magic against him so here goes…. :lol:

As you mentioned, they continued to get contracts after winning a SB by their 5th year. Had they not won one I have to believe they don’t get the same offers to chase another one. That’s what I’m saying with Love. He has to at least get to one in 5 years or most will turn on him.

You know how fans are. If he doesn't get one in two years he's toast.