WHAT IS THE FATE OF THE DIRTY ANDERS ?

[Bretsky]

DAMMIT

KICKERS

This sucks. If there is one bummer theme of the offseason so far it's that GB is unhappy with the performance of their dam Kickers. WE GOT SPOILED. JACKE/LONGWELL/CROSBY

In search of the next one. We heard the Vet was winning, Then Family day hit and there seemed to be a flip. Now the team has brought in a 3rd Kicker because they clearly don't have a lot of confidence in who we have. And that's after Detroit beat us out for an unrestricted K from another dam league

I'm betting Gutebag is scouing every roster in the NFL and looking at the best Kickers that won't make a team.

WHO WHAT SAY YOU RATS...........Does TIE go to the DRAFT PICK ?

What's going to Happen to the Dirty Anders ?



Pollmasterstrikesagain

[Fosco33]

I could see him as long term kicker. He did better than many of Mason’s early and later years.

[MadtownPacker]

Carlson might turn it around by making every single one in the preseason. I would be happy to see it.

If not then…

https://i.insider.com/560d2cee9dd7cc10008be5e5?width=607&format=jpeg

[bobblehead]

I actually am in wisconsin now and attended a practice Tuesday. The kickers were right in front of me. Anders looked so choppy. His steps aren't traditional. He has a little hitch in his second step. I can't imagine that doing it that way can lead to full time success. When you are off just a little bit it all turns to shit. I can't say who the kicker is on opening day, but I really don't think its going to be Carlson.

[Joemailman]

I went with Carlson for the year. Joseph has been with 3 different teams besides the Packers and never been outstanding. Packers will bet on Carlson improving the way his brother did.

[Fritz]

I have a spin on Joe's take: Carlson is chosen as the kicker, Joseph gets the axe, but after ten games Carlson's clearly not the answer so they bring back Joseph for the stretch.

On an up side, it looks like we may finally have found a replacement for Craig Hentrich. Twenty-seven years later.

[Bretsky]

Tie goes the the draft pick; that is my vote

Carlson has not impresssed anbody.

I would embrace Gutebag taking the best kicker who was cut and making him ours. I have to believe there are bettter backup kickers than what we have

[red]

carlson lost the job last season

IMO he shouldn't even be on the team at this point

[King Friday]

I agree with Bretsky. Tie will go to Carlson at this point, and that is where this appears to be heading.

I don’t like it, but the Packers are trying lots of other options that aren’t proving to be markedly better.

[Joemailman]

After today, I think Carlson's chances are shaky. He made his kicks, but all were rather close to the upright. Did not inspire confidence.

[call_me_ishmael]

I can't remember the other dudes name. Isn't not-carlson the kid from Michigan who is supposed to be pretty great? I would think he'll get the job as he was lights out In college and supposed to be awesome. I agree it likely won't be Carlson unless not-Carlson shits the bed.

[Fritz]

I wonder what Bisaccia is thinking right now?

[ThunderDan]

I wonder what Bisaccia is thinking right now?

We made all our kicks in live action. Praise the Lord!

[Fritz]

I'm guessing Greg Joseph gets the kicks next week.

[Joemailman]

I'm guessing Greg Joseph gets the kicks next week.

I wonder if somebody gets cut this week so they only have 2 kickers for the last 2 preseason games.

[Fritz]

I wonder if Warm Carlsen will prevail in this battle. I also wonder if Alex Hale has a real shot at making an impression or whether he's just there so the other two don't get worn out in practices.

[QBME]

I’ve heard of a “Dirty Sanchez” but not a “Dirty Anders”. Are they similar?

I watched the replay of the game this morning paying particular attention to the kicker. Now I don’t know from squat about kicking mechanics, but it appeared to me Anders setup is a little bizarre compared to other kickers. It appears that Anders lines up with his shoulders, hips and knees almost parallel with the LOS. All other kickers I watched this weekend line up with their body at 45 degrees to the LOS. I’m a golfer so perhaps I’m over dialed into alignment. Maybe that’s why he’s coming over the top and hooking the damn ball.

What you think Rats with a better take than me?

[texaspackerbacker]

After watching the game, even though everything was made, I'm sort of inclined to look for somebody cut somewhere else. Carlson looked awkward and barely made his kicks. and Joseph, even though he was straight down the middle didn't seem to have a very strong leg. Either would probably be adequate, but it would be nice to have more than just adequate kicking. Or maybe we're all spoiled by having everything else be so great.

[red]

i think at this point i would go for a guy that is automatic from inside of 40 yards over a guy that might be able to kick one from 60 yards but misses a ton of chip shots

might make the offense be more aggressive and not settle for 55+ yarders like fat mike always use to do with money mase

wasn't there an old guy like that back in the day. leg was so weak he didn't even do kickoffs, but made everything he tried

was in morten anderson?

[Bretsky]

I’ve heard of a “Dirty Sanchez” but not a “Dirty Anders”. Are they similar?

I watched the replay of the game this morning paying particular attention to the kicker. Now I don’t know from squat about kicking mechanics, but it appeared to me Anders setup is a little bizarre compared to other kickers. It appears that Anders lines up with his shoulders, hips and knees almost parallel with the LOS. All other kickers I watched this weekend line up with their body at 45 degrees to the LOS. I’m a golfer so perhaps I’m over dialed into alignment. Maybe that’s why he’s coming over the top and hooking the damn ball.

What you think Rats with a better take than me?


Bobblehead, who is a pretty sharp dude (especiially when he agrees with me..lol) I think went to a practice and had a similar take. He almost noted he just didn't have the fluent motion you look for in a kicker to be consistent

[sharpe1027]

I'm ready to move on.

[Fritz]

I'm ready to move on.

With a nickname like “ Warm Carlsen”? No way!

[sharpe1027]

With a nickname like “ Warm Carlsen”? No way!

The name can stay.

[MadtownPacker]

The results are swinging the other way after Saturdays game. Not good for Dirty.

[smuggler]

Gotta think the choice between Carlson and Joseph is going to be decided (not just made) after the third preseason game.

[Fritz]

Warm Carlsen got a one-year pass in order to develop - and usually kickers need time to mature and develop - but he's not gonna get a second year. He needs to be aces from now on out. If he is, then he can hang on to his job and maybe become the Hot Carlsen that his brother is. But if he doesn't respond to this pressure with a tight performance over the next couple weeks, he'll get cut and then the Loins will sign him. God forbid he develops into a weapon for them.

[Joemailman]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Realized I forgot to update this with Joseph's miss at the end of the day:

Joseph went 3/7 on the day
Carlson went 4/6 on the day

Totals for camp:

Greg Joseph: 50/61 - 82.0%

Anders Carlson: 48/60 - 80.0%

Alex Hale: 10/15 - 66.7%

Not exactly ideal

[Fritz]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Realized I forgot to update this with Joseph's miss at the end of the day:

Joseph went 3/7 on the day
Carlson went 4/6 on the day

Totals for camp:

Greg Joseph: 50/61 - 82.0%

Anders Carlson: 48/60 - 80.0%

Alex Hale: 10/15 - 66.7%

Not exactly ideal


I wonder if they’d consider scouring the waiver wire at the end of camp and signing someone to either come on in and be The Man, or at a minimum have a mini-competition the week before the first game.

[Joemailman]

I wonder if they’d consider scouring the waiver wire at the end of camp and signing someone to either come on in and be The Man, or at a minimum have a mini-competition the week before the first game.

Yes.

[Fritz]

It would seem weird though to sign a guy and just hand him the keys to the kicker car without ever having worked with him on a day-to-day basis. But maybe that's how it goes with kickers. I am wondering if maybe they do bring someone in after cuts to compete with Joseph or Carlsen (whoever wins-by-default).

It has not been a great training camp for either guy. Joseph started well but he seems to be struggling lately, and Carlsen has been lukewarm.

[sharpe1027]

Good point, Fritz. A new kicker will take a long time to learn all the Packer's special team plays.

[Fosco33]

5 out of Mason’s first 6 years were below 80% accuracy on FGs (and he was 21/33 in 2012 for 63% accuracy).

I’m all for competition but like Aaron, Jordan, Mason, DaVante and Rashan - early year performance (or sitting out) is not indicative of long term success.

I hope Carlson has a long career with GB.

[bobblehead]

It would seem weird though to sign a guy and just hand him the keys to the kicker car without ever having worked with him on a day-to-day basis. But maybe that's how it goes with kickers. I am wondering if maybe they do bring someone in after cuts to compete with Joseph or Carlsen (whoever wins-by-default).

It has not been a great training camp for either guy. Joseph started well but he seems to be struggling lately, and Carlsen has been lukewarm.

They will choose one of them and then sign a guy to the PS to see if he can be the guy. Then if they decide yes they will make the swap. If not, they will cut said PS guy and bring in another guy until they find their man. If they keep a K in the PS for 3 weeks or more it likely means the guy on the 53 is here to stay.

[bobblehead]

5 out of Mason’s first 6 years were below 80% accuracy on FGs (and he was 21/33 in 2012 for 63% accuracy).

I’m all for competition but like Aaron, Jordan, Mason, DaVante and Rashan - early year performance (or sitting out) is not indicative of long term success.

I hope Carlson has a long career with GB.

I'm telling you, Carlson's footwork is a mess for a kicker. I can't believe they are even flirting with him as the long term answer to be honest.

[Fosco33]

I'm telling you, Carlson's footwork is a mess for a kicker. I can't believe they are even flirting with him as the long term answer to be honest.

Did they not know that when he was drafted? I’m not a ST guy or a placekicker expert - I’m just looking at the distance and accuracy - plus using a draft pick on him.

[Joemailman]

A lot of kickers and punters have to adjust their footwork when they go to the NFL because of the need to get the kick off quicker. Maybe Carlson is one of those who has struggled with the adjustment.

[texaspackerbacker]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Realized I forgot to update this with Joseph's miss at the end of the day:

Joseph went 3/7 on the day
Carlson went 4/6 on the day

Totals for camp:

Greg Joseph: 50/61 - 82.0%

Anders Carlson: 48/60 - 80.0%

Alex Hale: 10/15 - 66.7%

Not exactly ideal

And just when I was beginning to consider jumping to Joseph hahahaha. Joseph in the game seemed to be straight down the middle every time but not a lot of leg strength. Now, he's missing too? Maybe we really do pick up somebody after the final cuts. Didn't we do that once back in the day?

On a related topic hahahaha, Kickoffs: There are a LOT of high school stars and maybe even a few college players who kicked a little back then and who maybe can't kick it down to the goal line, but maybe could consistently drop it into that landing zone. If, heaven forbid, there was a break through of our front ten, I'd much rather have a DB or LB or RB or WR chasing down that sprinting returner than Carlson or Joseph.

[sharpe1027]

5 out of Mason’s first 6 years were below 80% accuracy on FGs (and he was 21/33 in 2012 for 63% accuracy).

I’m all for competition but like Aaron, Jordan, Mason, DaVante and Rashan - early year performance (or sitting out) is not indicative of long term success.

I hope Carlson has a long career with GB.

I hope he does too, but we can't wait a few years with this team.

[MadtownPacker]

Shit, might want to start practicing a lot on going for 2.

[Fritz]

They will choose one of them and then sign a guy to the PS to see if he can be the guy. Then if they decide yes they will make the swap. If not, they will cut said PS guy and bring in another guy until they find their man. If they keep a K in the PS for 3 weeks or more it likely means the guy on the 53 is here to stay.

It sounds like the way my wife used to go shopping at the bargain bin.

As important as the kicking game is, I'm surprised more teams don't spend a little more draft capital to get a good one. Maybe Philly was smart to draft that Michigan kicker, Jake Moody, in the third round last year. The guy is good and has a big leg. And he's theirs for another three years.

[sharpe1027]

Shit, might want to start practicing a lot on going for 2.

Why not? Go on 4th down more too.

[Bretsky]

It would seem weird though to sign a guy and just hand him the keys to the kicker car without ever having worked with him on a day-to-day basis. But maybe that's how it goes with kickers. I am wondering if maybe they do bring someone in after cuts to compete with Joseph or Carlsen (whoever wins-by-default).

It has not been a great training camp for either guy. Joseph started well but he seems to be struggling lately, and Carlsen has been lukewarm.


The fact that they brought in a 3rd guy is your answer. I'm sure have a list accumulated of kickers at risk of not making a team and already have them rated somehow.

[Fosco33]

Gutey said they are competing against everyone in every camp. It’s not a 2 way race.

[Fritz]

Gutey said they are competing against everyone in every camp. It’s not a 2 way race.

It’s like dating the hottest woman in town: everybody’s always after what you’ve got.

Go Warm Carlsen!

[Bretsky]

It’s like dating the hottest woman in town: everybody’s always after what you’ve got.

Go Warm Carlsen!


Or in GB's situation, it's bartime, the beer goggles are on, and the three chicks we have at Kicker are still really dam ugly :)

[MadtownPacker]

Why not? Go on 4th down more too.
We talking about kickers not punters you savage. If the odds are close to 50% on 2s it might pay off. Just need to get every other conversion which seems doable. Then if you get them all you get a nice edge on the score.

I feel like going on 4th and not getting it is more deflating than Fritz trying to flirt with the 25yr old salesgirl at Macys cologne department. Just makes you feel down when you thought glory was so close.

[sharpe1027]

We talking about kickers not punters you savage. If the odds are close to 50% on 2s it might pay off. Just need to get every other conversion which seems doable. Then if you get them all you get a nice edge on the score.

I feel like going on 4th and not getting it is more deflating than Fritz trying to flirt with the 25yr old salesgirl at Macys cologne department. Just makes you feel down when you thought glory was so close.

I'm talking about kickers. Kickers are used for more than extra points! They kick the occasional field goal too.

My point was too not bother kicking field goals. Just go for it.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It sounds like the way my wife used to go shopping at the bargain bin.

As important as the kicking game is, I'm surprised more teams don't spend a little more draft capital to get a good one. Maybe Philly was smart to draft that Michigan kicker, Jake Moody, in the third round last year. The guy is good and has a big leg. And he's theirs for another three years.

When the supply of kickers far exceeds the demand for kickers, the law of averages indicates that plenty of NFL quality kickers can be found on the streets of Baltimore. No need to waste draft capitals on fucking kickers. Packers shoulda signed Younghoe Koo when the dude was a-wandering about and around on the lonesome streets of Baltimore.

Punters, on the other hand, gotta trade up into the 3rd for them studs. No wonder Mike Sherman ain’t ever missed the playoffs as GM.

[Fritz]

Well, Greg Joseph apparently nearly shanked a 47-yard attempt yesterday, so if the snap and hold and blocking were okay, then Joseph missed a chance to Saran-wrap the hopes of Warm Carlsen once and for all.

I wonder what soon-to-be-cut kicker from another team will appear on the Packers' practice squad at the end of summer.

[texaspackerbacker]

I just checked, and the deadline for roster cuts isn't until the 27th. I wonder if a little trade maybe for a 7th rounder or something might be in order if we see a back up K on some other roster who looks better than what we have.

[MadtownPacker]

To the 11 rats that said Carlson is the guy for the season, have you changed you mind after all this shit? None of these guys are cool cats out there.

[MadtownPacker]

I'm talking about kickers. Kickers are used for more than extra points! They kick the occasional field goal too.

My point was too not bother kicking field goals. Just go for it.
I have to wonder how the numbers would come out for that. If always done when in normal FG distance it could work. Might have won the niners playoff game using that strategy. Warm Carlson made 2/3. Had the offense gone for it instead of those three attempts and been successful getting a TD twice.

[smuggler]

I don't think Greg Joseph has been good enough to move on from Carlson. Considering how Carlson's brother improved after a few years, I would think we would be a little more patient, but if we have to go with someone else, I don't think it's Joseph.

[Joemailman]

I don't think Greg Joseph has been good enough to move on from Carlson. Considering how Carlson's brother improved after a few years, I would think we would be a little more patient, but if we have to go with someone else, I don't think it's Joseph.

I agree. Joseph's stats the last few years with the Vikings aren't much better than what Carlson did last year. And he's had some rough games at Lambeau later in the season. Might as well go with the young guy and hope he works things out. Or sign someone off waivers.

[Bretsky]

I have to wonder how the numbers would come out for that. If always done when in normal FG distance it could work. Might have won the niners playoff game using that strategy. Warm Carlson made 2/3. Had the offense gone for it instead of those three attempts and been successful getting a TD twice.

This was my prediction

I think GB should move on from both the Dirty Anders and the dirty , but beloved, Dillon

[Fritz]

I agree. Joseph's stats the last few years with the Vikings aren't much better than what Carlson did last year. And he's had some rough games at Lambeau later in the season. Might as well go with the young guy and hope he works things out. Or sign someone off waivers.

Agreed. What’s the point of moving on from a young player with upside when the vet you’re thinking of replacing him with has stats that aren’t much better AND has shown that playing in the cold of Lambeau really affects his game?

As others have said, there’s probably another kicker out there on someone else’s roster who will eventually be brought in to compete with and perhaps eventually replace Warm Carlsen. Now, timing has a lot to do with all this - a team might chop a kicker earlier than the final cuts, so the Packers could bring that person in for a mini-competition. Or they could get someone out of final cuts and offer that person a PS spot. Or will Guter/MLF go full Sherman and keep TWO on the roster???

[texaspackerbacker]

This was my prediction

I think GB should move on from both the Dirty Anders and the dirty , but beloved, Dillon

I agree they probably should, but they probably won't. And we'll win win win anyway hahahaha.

[bobblehead]

I don't think Greg Joseph has been good enough to move on from Carlson. Considering how Carlson's brother improved after a few years, I would think we would be a little more patient, but if we have to go with someone else, I don't think it's Joseph.

As I said. I think Carlson starts the season, but they will rotate PS kickers until they find a suitable one. Unless Carlson is lights out through 8 weeks....

[sharpe1027]

I have to wonder how the numbers would come out for that. If always done when in normal FG distance it could work. Might have won the niners playoff game using that strategy. Warm Carlson made 2/3. Had the offense gone for it instead of those three attempts and been successful getting a TD twice.

The statistics are surprisingly against kicking field goals. Stats say you never kick the field goal if you have 4 or fewer yards to go.

[Patler]

Joseph has made just 7 of his last 15, has fallen behind Carlson overall, and is below 80% since the start of camp.

The decision may well be made even before the final preseason game, to give the "winner" all of the kicks in the last game.

[Fritz]

Lots of times teams will wait to release particular players in the flurry of final roster cutdowns, in the hope that through the chaos said player will be overlooked by other teams and can be snuck onto the practice squad.

But does this apply to kickers? Do teams keep kickers on the practice squad "just in case," or are they seen as easily available off the street?

[Joemailman]

Lots of times teams will wait to release particular players in the flurry of final roster cutdowns, in the hope that through the chaos said player will be overlooked by other teams and can be snuck onto the practice squad.

But does this apply to kickers? Do teams keep kickers on the practice squad "just in case," or are they seen as easily available off the street?

During 2020-21 Covid period, teams kept a kicker on the PS to make sure they had an available 2nd kicker in case their kicker got covid. Don't know if they do that now. The Packers did not have a kicker on their initial practice squad last year.

[MadScientist]

Lots of times teams will wait to release particular players in the flurry of final roster cutdowns, in the hope that through the chaos said player will be overlooked by other teams and can be snuck onto the practice squad.

But does this apply to kickers? Do teams keep kickers on the practice squad "just in case," or are they seen as easily available off the street?

There's only minimal value to having a kicker on the PS vs grabbing a guy off the street. A kicker on the PS can be taken by any other team, and it's not like they have a whole playbook they need to learn. May as well use that spot for a player they want to develop.

[bobblehead]

The statistics are surprisingly against kicking field goals. Stats say you never kick the field goal if you have 4 or fewer yards to go.

I would like to see how those "stats" are derived. And honestly...and I'm not criticizing YOU on this, but if you have 4th and 2 with 8 seconds to go and you are down 2 at the 10 yard line that idea of "never"....well you get the idea.

My point is that game tempo, situation, etc. factors in huge. I hate statistics like that. I'd also point out that the "gurus" who come up with that likely fail to factor in a couple other things. Giving incredible field position to your opponent when you fail and how often do you make it when you do it and then fail the next time on the same drive? If you go for it 3 times on the same drive but fail once from their 40 yard line its a massive fail. But you made it 2/3 times so said "guru" might say that you should go for it every time. Said guru would be very wrong.

[MadtownPacker]

You listed a lot of scenarios but failed to account for the defense getting stops after those failed attempts. Is this your side gig?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/the-love-guru-2008/large_vUEXYLnsw6MKNEOvO3Ik4ev6VYm.jpg

[ThunderDan]

I would like to see how those "stats" are derived. And honestly...and I'm not criticizing YOU on this, but if you have 4th and 2 with 8 seconds to go and you are down 2 at the 10 yard line that idea of "never"....well you get the idea.

My point is that game tempo, situation, etc. factors in huge. I hate statistics like that. I'd also point out that the "gurus" who come up with that likely fail to factor in a couple other things. Giving incredible field position to your opponent when you fail and how often do you make it when you do it and then fail the next time on the same drive? If you go for it 3 times on the same drive but fail once from their 40 yard line its a massive fail. But you made it 2/3 times so said "guru" might say that you should go for it every time. Said guru would be very wrong.

Kind of like the 2nd Lions game last year. They lost the ball on downs 3 times during the game and lost by 7. If they had taken the points it could have swung the game to a Lions victory.

I commented on this at least a couple of times in the game day thread that Det was passing up points and it bit them in the end.

[MadScientist]

I would like to see how those "stats" are derived. And honestly...and I'm not criticizing YOU on this, but if you have 4th and 2 with 8 seconds to go and you are down 2 at the 10 yard line that idea of "never"....well you get the idea.

My point is that game tempo, situation, etc. factors in huge. I hate statistics like that. I'd also point out that the "gurus" who come up with that likely fail to factor in a couple other things. Giving incredible field position to your opponent when you fail and how often do you make it when you do it and then fail the next time on the same drive? If you go for it 3 times on the same drive but fail once from their 40 yard line its a massive fail. But you made it 2/3 times so said "guru" might say that you should go for it every time. Said guru would be very wrong.

Unless you get sacked for 7+ yards, going for it and failing puts you in less of a hole than kicking and failing. Unfortunately, kicking and failing with our kickers is entirely too likely.

[Joemailman]

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein

#Packers have transferred their NFL International Player Pathway designation to K Alex Hale and released DL Kenneth Odumegwu. Hale is from Australia, so he qualifies for the program. He doesn't count against the roster but will have to clear waivers to join the PS.

Hale was the 3rd kicker in camp. So this likely means he'll be carried on the practice squad. I kind of expect Joseph to be cut before the next game.

[red]

heres an idea

we're gonna be in brazil the first week of the season. hold open tryouts

todlers can kick the shit out of balls down there

[Fritz]

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein

#Packers have transferred their NFL International Player Pathway designation to K Alex Hale and released DL Kenneth Odumegwu. Hale is from Australia, so he qualifies for the program. He doesn't count against the roster but will have to clear waivers to join the PS.

Hale was the 3rd kicker in camp. So this likely means he'll be carried on the practice squad. I kind of expect Joseph to be cut before the next game.

Keeping Hale as a developmental project means Anders is on the Hot Carlsen seat…

So they toss the other poor bastard out on his ear. One day he’s joshing with the guys and learning American idioms (“So what is this ‘Warm Carlson’ thing I read on this Packerrats fan site?”) and the next minute he’s looking for flights back to Zimbabwe or Nigeria of wherever he’s from.

[bobblehead]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/8/20/24224786/green-bay-packers-analysis-kicking-competition-it-probably-doesnt-matter-who-wins-the-kicking-battle

[MadScientist]

heres an idea

we're gonna be in brazil the first week of the season. hold open tryouts

todlers can kick the shit out of balls down there

That would actually be a really good publicity stunt for the Packers to do. Offer a practice jersey to anyone who makes a 40 yarder in two attempts and watch the press go crazy. And maybe they find a better prospect than Skipper.

[bobblehead]

heres an idea

we're gonna be in brazil the first week of the season. hold open tryouts

todlers can kick the shit out of balls down there

Toddlers kick balls pretty hard everywhere. Especially that excited baby stomp they do.

[Fosco33]

heres an idea

we're gonna be in brazil the first week of the season. hold open tryouts

todlers can kick the shit out of balls down there

This is the smartest thing you’ve ever said

[sharpe1027]

I would like to see how those "stats" are derived. And honestly...and I'm not criticizing YOU on this, but if you have 4th and 2 with 8 seconds to go and you are down 2 at the 10 yard line that idea of "never"....well you get the idea.

My point is that game tempo, situation, etc. factors in huge. I hate statistics like that. I'd also point out that the "gurus" who come up with that likely fail to factor in a couple other things. Giving incredible field position to your opponent when you fail and how often do you make it when you do it and then fail the next time on the same drive? If you go for it 3 times on the same drive but fail once from their 40 yard line its a massive fail. But you made it 2/3 times so said "guru" might say that you should go for it every time. Said guru would be very wrong.

Okay, okay. I didn't put enough qualifiers in my short post. I figured people could understand there's implied assumptions behind what I stated. I figured wrong.

[MadtownPacker]

heres an idea

we're gonna be in brazil the first week of the season. hold open tryouts

todlers can kick the shit out of balls down there
Your finest moment of the season and it hasn’t even started! This shit would be great. Movie level awesome if it could come to be.

[MadtownPacker]

Okay, okay. I didn't put enough qualifiers in my short post. I figured people could understand there's implied assumptions behind what I stated. I figured wrong.
Look at this fukin guy! We practically say you are a genius and it still isn’t enough. Now you have to be the one who take Tex out if he doesn’t give up his cowboys fandom.

https://i.imgur.com/YUgjaj5.gif

[texaspackerbacker]

I see Carlson and Joseph were both 6 for 6 today, several over 50 yards. I guess that's good news hahahaha.

[sharpe1027]

Look at this fukin guy! We practically say you are a genius and it still isn’t enough. Now you have to be the one who take Tex out if he doesn’t give up his cowboys fandom.

https://i.imgur.com/YUgjaj5.gif

Wait, I'm practically a genius? When did this happen! I need to start a packer mensa chapter.

[red]

fuck you guys

i have other good ideas

[Fosco33]

Another idea for Brazil.

Instead of no cheerleaders or the occasional GB high school of UW badgers - we do an open cheerleader tryout?

[sharpe1027]

Look at this fukin guy! We practically say you are a genius and it still isn’t enough. Now you have to be the one who take Tex out if he doesn’t give up his cowboys fandom.

https://i.imgur.com/YUgjaj5.gif

Let me go back to what Bobble wrote. It's not that his post was wrong, it's just that he was answering a different question.

I wasn't very precise in how I worded my original post. The stats don't tell you whether or not to go for it. The stats are mathematical truths. Historically, you would average more points by going for it on fourth down. It's not a debate. It's just numbers.

Bobble was technically correct. It just seemed to too literal of a read. Giving no credit to the obvious unspoken aspects.

[bobblehead]

I guess I'm even challenging that sharpe. Its hard to say if thats true because of the way they derive the numbers. Most teams who attempt 4th and 4 are in desperation mode and also facing a prevent D. But some data nerd who isn't a football guy wouldn't understand that. And thats why I said I wasn't criticizing YOU.

I'd also assert that if you constantly go for it on 4th and 4 the other team will benefit even MORE than you might (I have zero evidence of that other than the fact that coaches have done it my way for 50.years.)

[MadScientist]

I guess I'm even challenging that sharpe. Its hard to say if thats true because of the way they derive the numbers. Most teams who attempt 4th and 4 are in desperation mode and also facing a prevent D. But some data nerd who isn't a football guy wouldn't understand that. And thats why I said I wasn't criticizing YOU.

I'd also assert that if you constantly go for it on 4th and 4 the other team will benefit even MORE than you might (I have zero evidence of that other than the fact that coaches have done it my way for 50.years.)

The 50 years argument is not relevant as more modern data analysis has significantly changed a lot of sports over the last 20 years. In fact, going for it on 4th and short in marginal FG territory has become common in recent years, when teams were more likely to punt 50 years ago. The blanket 'go for it on 4th and short' is more of a pundit level analysis, though. Teams will look at the exact field position,the reliability of their kicker, and the game situation as well. So in general you will score more points if you go for it on 4th and short instead of kicking a field goal, but head coaches get paid the big bucks to make the right call on the specific case.

[Fritz]

The 50 years argument is not relevant as more modern data analysis has significantly changed a lot of sports over the last 20 years. In fact, going for it on 4th and short in marginal FG territory has become common in recent years, when teams were more likely to punt 50 years ago. The blanket 'go for it on 4th and short' is more of a pundit level analysis, though. Teams will look at the exact field position,the reliability of their kicker, and the game situation as well. So in general you will score more points if you go for it on 4th and short instead of kicking a field goal, but head coaches get paid the big bucks to make the right call on the specific case.

Warm Carlsen is heating up, hitting all his kicks in practice today, possibly making your argument irrelevant outside the philosophical realm.

I also saw an article that said two promising young kickers (Neverson? Schroeder?) could be available soon.

Better get hot, Carlsen!

[call_me_ishmael]

Maybe kick the tires on Blair Walsh? He's had a while to hopefully get his mind right. He was a great kicker prior to his big miss.

[Fritz]

Send a team of therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists out to interview him.

The Iggles spent a third-rounder on Jake Moody last year. I know that’s way too high of a pick to use on a kicker for most of you, but the dude is really good. Not sure the Pack needs to do quite that next draft, but maybe a fifth rounder or so, in order to get a better prospect than Lukewarm Carlsen?

Or did he turn a corner in his last practice? For me, Joseph is absolutely not the answer. He is what he is at this point. At least Carlson still has some of that magical “p” word (potential, not “pudenda” or “pee pee”).

[bobblehead]

The 50 years argument is not relevant as more modern data analysis has significantly changed a lot of sports over the last 20 years. In fact, going for it on 4th and short in marginal FG territory has become common in recent years, when teams were more likely to punt 50 years ago. The blanket 'go for it on 4th and short' is more of a pundit level analysis, though. Teams will look at the exact field position,the reliability of their kicker, and the game situation as well. So in general you will score more points if you go for it on 4th and short instead of kicking a field goal, but head coaches get paid the big bucks to make the right call on the specific case.

Going for it from the other teams 40 and in has become more common as the game has evolved to favor offenses and the introduction of the 2 pt conversion. So in conclusion, going for it on 4th isn't so simple a calculation as "math".

[MadScientist]

Going for it from the other teams 40 and in has become more common as the game has evolved to favor offenses and the introduction of the 2 pt conversion. So in conclusion, going for it on 4th isn't so simple a calculation as "math".

You could reduce it to math if it weren't for those pesky humans being involved. But even then, it would not be as simple as "if distance to go < 4, then go for it".

[sharpe1027]

You could reduce it to math if it weren't for those pesky humans being involved. But even then, it would not be as simple as "if distance to go < 4, then go for it".

This is the way.

[Bretsky]

PICKED UP A BUNCH OF FYI"S TODAY

There was a time where everybody thought Joseph had donw the job. It was about 2.5 weeks ago and he was hitting on nearly everything Went on a hot stread when he hit over 95%. They he fell back to earth. Now nobody knows in terms of the Packer reporters covering GB.

To be honest they are not confident with any kicker there

Anders has been just shy of 82% though total camp
Joseph has been just above 79% the whole camp.

Typically they want kickers hitting at least 88% in camp. So both are sub par.

THE NEWBIE....sounds like he's hands down the strongest leg, but he's hitting around 67%

So most feel Anders has the slight edge, and many feel our kicker this year might not even be in camp right now.

[Bretsky]

One of the Packer reporters also noted it's Melton, Heath, or Dubsone trying for 2 of the last three spots.

What was interesting is most think Touri is done in GB

[bobblehead]

Today I doubt they go for it on 4th and 4 in FG range at all just so they can pressure warm Carlson a bit. He is competing against every K who will be cut soon.

[bobblehead]

Just read a very informative article. Joseph is a vested veteran meaning if he makes the 53 his salary is guaranteed. Dirty anders isn't. I think that is a tie breaker for Anders at this point.

[bobblehead]

And if you believe like I do, that this competition is season long, its a big tie breaker.

[MadtownPacker]

The fact we have to be praising a kicker is a problem. We should barely be knowing his name when he comes out, makes that money, and then goes back to the sideline.

6 for 6 when it doesn’t count means nothing. Has he even hit 6 kicks (FGs or XPs) in a row in real games?

[MadScientist]

Just read a very informative article. Joseph is a vested veteran meaning if he makes the 53 his salary is guaranteed. Dirty anders isn't. I think that is a tie breaker for Anders at this point.

SoAnders might make the initial 53, but depending on other teams cuts, he might not make it to game 1.

[Joemailman]

SoAnders might make the initial 53, but depending on other teams cuts, he might not make it to game 1.

MLF was asked in his PC about the kicker situation. Part of his answer was "We'll see what happens just around the league" If Carlson is the kicker, he's hanging by a very thin frayed thread.

[Fritz]

MLF was asked in his PC about the kicker situation. Part of his answer was "We'll see what happens just around the league" If Carlson is the kicker, he's hanging by a very thin frayed thread.

From what I understand, Bitch Risaccia was instrumental in the Packers drafting Warm Carlson. Note to Guter: don’t let your ST coach do any more scouting.

Also, as Red suggested, wouldn’t it be cool if the Packers traded the extra wide receiver for someone else’s #2 kicker? Cripes, this has been a shitshow. We’re all excited that the Packers might pick up someone else’s discarded kicker.

[King Friday]

Warm AC was ineffectual as usual yesterday, although he is clearly the best we have currently. The fan just doesn’t move air like it used to. There has to be a nice ice bath somewhere for us to plunge into.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packer commentators yesterday said that bad day in practice for all three kickers was wind and weather related.

Most of what I've seen from Joseph, he puts them right down the middle and looks smooth and comfortable doing it. Carlson, in addition to being a little less consistent, just looks shaky - kinda weird form, a lot of his makes have been disturbingly close. I'm assuming he makes so little that the vesting of salary thing doesn't make any difference even if he got replaced later.

[Fosco33]

5 out of Mason’s first 6 years were below 80% accuracy on FGs (and he was 21/33 in 2012 for 63% accuracy).

I’m all for competition but like Aaron, Jordan, Mason, DaVante and Rashan - early year performance (or sitting out) is not indicative of long term success.

I hope Carlson has a long career with GB.

Miss him yet? Joseph available?

[MadtownPacker]

The crowd should tar and feather his ass.

[red]

4 weeks into the regular season and we still don't have a kicker

[MadtownPacker]

Rodgers said he will trade his kicker for nards.

[Bretsky]

Siebert, who I thought they would claim from the Jets, I think is now kicking for somebody. And Joseph was perfect in a game last week for somebody. Crazy

[sharpe1027]

It's gotta be the holder.

[Fritz]

His new nickname, though I don't know that he'll be around long enough for us to use it:

Turd Narveson.

[King Friday]

Siebert, who I thought they would claim from the Jets, I think is now kicking for somebody. And Joseph was perfect in a game last week for somebody. Crazy

You don’t go with a rookie unless you draft him. Huge fuck up by leadership.

[red]

carlson missed 6 FGs last season

this kicker has already missed 4 in 4 games

carlson also missed 5 xps though

[ThunderDan]

Carlson wasn't the answer. Nards isn't the answer either

[texaspackerbacker]

I wonder what's available on the scrap heap of kickers. I bet we bring in at least one for a tryout.

[Fosco33]

carlson missed 6 FGs last season

this kicker has already missed 4 in 4 games

carlson also missed 5 xps though

And a 5th got called back on penalty

[Fosco33]

See if mcmanus can kick? He’s an 81% kicker so not automatic. But lots of experience

[MadtownPacker]

At this point, I think they should give Carlson another shot for a few games. Maybe all this shit has lit a fire under his ass and he will start coming through.

[Fritz]

I'm thinking his agent is on the phone with the Packers saying the same thing.

Weird that The Flower is backing Turd. I wonder if Gutey has told him that the cupboard of available kickers is bare, and he's stuck with Narveson, so MLF has to try to nurture Narveson out of his slump.

[red]

At this point, I think they should give Carlson another shot for a few games. Maybe all this shit has lit a fire under his ass and he will start coming through.

if i'm carlson i'm telling the packers they already cut me, fuck you

[bobblehead]

a) Fuck Carlson, he had an entire offseason to improve and all he did was come up with some original take on footwork that didn't work.
b) Carlson isn't in any position to refuse a job at this point, he needs to prove he can kick (but he can't).

[Fosco33]

Why did Crosby suck for 5 of his first 6 years and we didn’t have issues with it? Is it because kickers have become more accurate? Or was his footwork also ‘bad’?

[bobblehead]

Why did Crosby suck for 5 of his first 6 years and we didn’t have issues with it? Is it because kickers have become more accurate? Or was his footwork also ‘bad’?

Kickers have indeed become more accurate and from further out. Crosby didn't "suck" he just wasn't money. And his ability to kick in the cold helped him.

[Patler]

Early in his career, Crosby attempted a lot more long-range FGs than most were attempting at that time, especially compared to the number of shorter-range field goals he tried. He didn't get a lot of "gimme" kicks, because GB was successful scoring TDs when they got close. That combination hurt Crosby's overall stats.

I saw a "cold weather" stat a few years back, and for his career Crosby was one of the most accurate, even though all kickers success rates declined in bad weather. Since Crosby had a lot of those games, his career stats suffered more than many other kickers.

Just a couple kicks each year can make a big difference in the "look" of their stats.

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Packers worked out two kickers today.

[Fritz]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Packers worked out two kickers today.

Saw an article in Acme that a guy named Mevis (they call him the "thiccer kicker') is a possibility. I wonder if he's one of the two they worked out?

If they sign him, why not call him "Beavis Mevis"?

Fuck it. I've got a nickname for every fucker they sign.

[Joemailman]

Zach Kruse
@zachkruse2

NFL kickers have a higher field goal percentage on kicks over 50 yards this season (75%) than Brayden Narveson has on all his kicks (69.2%).

Kicking in the NFL has never better and the Packers are still bad

[Joemailman]

Saw an article in Acme that a guy named Mevis (they call him the "thiccer kicker') is a possibility. I wonder if he's one of the two they worked out?

If they sign him, why not call him "Beavis Mevis"?

Fuck it. I've got a nickname for every fucker they sign.

His brother kicks for the Green Bay Blizzard.

[Bretsky]

The guy I wanted them to pick up (with the Jets) was Austin Siefert and I think the Redskins picked him up a couple weeks after GB claimed our kicker. Not sure how he is doing but pretty sure he's gone as well.

[Fritz]

The guy I wanted them to pick up (with the Jets) was Austin Siefert and I think the Redskins picked him up a couple weeks after GB claimed our kicker. Not sure how he is doing but pretty sure he's gone as well.

He WAS the Washington offense a couple of weeks ago. Seven for seven.

Looks like the kicking cupboard is bare. The two kickers the Packers brought in to try out this week both have really shitty stats. Like, really shitty.

They don't have many options right now other than change for change's sake.

And really, if Turd Narveson misses even one kick this week, they might well change for change's sake.

[sharpe1027]

All this doom and gloom. This guy's gonna turn it around. MLF has full confidence in him. He's doing to be around for the next ten years.

[Fritz]

All this doom and gloom. This guy's gonna turn it around. MLF has full confidence in him. He's doing to be around for the next ten years.

I like the optimisim, Sharpe, and I hope you're right. It is a long season. Things change.

I'd love to re-bestow upon him the nickname "Nards."

I do wonder though if MLF has full confidence in him, or just that there isn't anyone out there right now.

[sharpe1027]

I like the optimisim, Sharpe, and I hope you're right. It is a long season. Things change.

I'd love to re-bestow upon him the nickname "Nards."

I do wonder though if MLF has full confidence in him, or just that there isn't anyone out there right now.

I don't believe what I wrote, but I can hope.

[run pMc]

No idea if he can turn it around. Sounds like he knew what he was doing wrong in the game (plant foot was a little wide, pushing ball wide right) and is trying to fix it. if he's nailing stuff in practice but not games I can see why MLF has some confidence in him, but you have to think it's shaky.

Riley Patterson?

They aren't bringing Carlson back. Joseph is kicking for NYG.

There aren't a lot of great options.


Patler is 100% correct about Crosby. McCarthy liked to see if Crosby could nail those 52 yarders in Lambeau, which is a dicey proposition as an outdoor stadium in a colder climate. Kickers have gotten crazy better in the last few years also. 60 yarders aren't nearly as rare as they were 5 years ago.
20 years ago a 50 yarder would be a literal longshot, now they are ho-hum to many fans.

if they change the kickoff rules to have the touchback at the 35 (like they are considering) then it will only take about 25 yards to get into FG range. Games that are defensive battles (not to be confused with incompetence showcases) will be very very rare.

[King Friday]

I expect the uprights to be narrowed in the coming years, and rather significantly. I don’t think the league wants automatic 50 yarders, at least for the teams capable of actually getting one of the 30 players who can do so.

[Fritz]

Well, the kicker cupboard of spare kickers waiting for an NFL opportunity is pretty damn bare. One of the guys the Packers tried out - Ryland, I think - got signed by someone else. But his college numbers sucked ass.

Even so, if Turd Narveson misses another FG or two on Sunday, do they have to mercifully take him out back and put him out of his misery? Or is the LeFleur stuff about having "identified the problem" with the kicks all bending to the right mean they're going to cure him of his Peyronie's Disease and it's going to require a couple weeks?

[bobblehead]

Maybe we can trade Doubs for a competent Kicker.

[sharpe1027]

Maybe we can trade Doubs for a competent Kicker.

Who would give up a decent kicker knowing there's no good alternatives?

[Fritz]

Or trade Doubs for Rasul Douglas and make Bobble happy.

[bobblehead]

Or trade Doubs for Rasul Douglas and make Bobble happy.

YES!

[MadtownPacker]

Or trade Doubs for Rasul Douglas and make Bobble happy.
Ha! Allen is needing WRs so not impossible.

[Fritz]

Man, I've seen a couple of college kickers who're better than Narveson is. Hell, the Michigan kicker is damn good. Too bad they can't lure him away and sign him. Maybe donate a few million to Michigan's NIL fund or something. Sue the NFL for unfair labor practice or something. Anything to get a kicker.

Okay, I've set this all up so Turd Narveson can hit three-of-three today, one being from over fifty yards.

[bobblehead]

Ha! Allen is needing WRs so not impossible.

Would you guys be able to handle my ego if we brought him back and he had a pick 6 in the Owl? I'll answer for you....definitive no.

[MadtownPacker]

Would you guys be able to handle my ego if we brought him back and he had a pick 6 in the Owl? I'll answer for you....definitive no.We can’t even handle that ego now. Stalker like behavior doesn’t make thing better. :lol:

For all the perceived brilliance, mostly due to your lack of pigmentation, you must not pay attention to anything I say. I am the anti Tex in that championships are the only thing that matters. Not how they got there just that they did. As for Rasul, again unlike you people I can forgive. As soon as he put on the G&G I would root for him SB or not.

[Fosco33]

Signed to Niners PS. Seems like we may go thru a lot of Kickers this year…