More Banjo - Packers vs Eagles

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love - 17-34, 260, 2 TD, 1 INT, 83.0 passer rating

Josh Jacobs - 16 rushes, 84 yards

Jayden Reed - 171 total yards, 2 TD's

Defense allowed 410 total yards

Brayden Narveson - 3/4 FG, 2/2 XP

Packers offense 1-4 in red zone, 3-11 on 3rd downs

Packers defense with 3 TO

Packers with 10 penalties for 71 yards

Was there an injury late in the game?

[RashanGary]

I was really disappointed in Wicks. When Philly really got in it, they picked quay apart for two scoring drives that really put the game in their hands. They were the biggest losers.

Love did not earn his paycheck.

Reed was good, we all saw that. I thought Kraft looked like he moved really well.

I liked 9 picking up another tud. We kind of saw a path where he might be a one or two trick pony, but he has a knack in the red zone and that seems like it’s real.

The OL and DL were pretty good against a really physical team.

We had some really untimely penalties.


We don’t have a backup QB so the next couple weeks hinge on how quick he recovers and if he can play well when he’s hobbled.

[red]

ugly ugly ugly

by both teams

might not have won over too many fans in brazil with that game rodger

[red]

I was really disappointed in Wicks. When Philly really got in it, they picked quay apart for two scoring drives that really put the game in their hands. They were the biggest losers.

Love did not earn his paycheck.

Reed was good, we all saw that. I thought Kraft looked like he moved really well.

I liked 9 picking up another tud. We kind of saw a path where he might be a one or two trick pony, but he has a knack in the red zone and that seems like it’s real.

The OL and DL were pretty good against a really physical team.

We had some really untimely penalties.


We don’t have a backup QB so the next couple weeks hinge on how quick he recovers and if he can play well when he’s hobbled.

this is why we needed a real backup QB and not a project

we aren't winning a game with willis. if love misses any amount of time, our season could be over by the time he gets back

[Joemailman]

I blame Willis.

[red]

I blame Willis.

QB rating of 39.6

pretty shitty

[Teamcheez1]

When is the last time the Packers started a season looking like they were ready to play?
Tonight was comedy of errors with miscues everywhere.
This game was there for the taking.
I sure hope we didn’t lose Love for any length of time as that would kill this season.

[pittstang5]

Eagles and 49ers are the Packers Achilles heel. Just can’t beat them.

[King Friday]

The sitting out 50 people in the preseason needs to stop. What good is being healthy if it takes you 3 weeks to start playing like a starter?

[red]

i think it was loves knee

watch this, no one is looking at or working on his ankle

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1832271058541461983?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

no one knows for sure, guesses are high ankle sprain or acl/mcl injury

if you watch that video, you can see he knee buckle slightly when the guy on the ground moves in to him

[RashanGary]

Watch it in slow motion. You can see the ankle joint just pop.

[NewsBruin]

The action looked to me like a "heel hook," a judo/MMA move where you immobilize someone's thigh and twist their heel, torquing their knee ligaments. Since there's no muscles whose job are to un-twist or keep the leg in line, it's an easy way to rip a lot of connective tissue or fracture an ankle.

[RashanGary]

People saying his knee popped. I’m not going back to watch that. I had a bad knee injury and I hate seeing knee injuries.

I watched the ankle in slow mo and I thought I saw that pop. I wasn’t looking at the knee.

Not good.

[Jaire]

I don't put too much stock in this game. Saw some things I liked: esp no cushions, guys getting their hands on the ball a lot. Phili is legit stacked.

Guys on both sides were slipping all over the place, esp first half. I don't remember a game since the Raiders on ice in Lambeau many years ago with so much slippage.

Jordan had a down game, but some of that was footing related.

Of course, his injury is all that matters.

[Fosco33]

People saying his knee popped. I’m not going back to watch that. I had a bad knee injury and I hate seeing knee injuries.

I watched the ankle in slow mo and I thought I saw that pop. I wasn’t looking at the knee.

Not good.

Seeing that in slomo and zoom make me way more concerned. There’s two times his ankle and knee ‘jiggle’.

Anyone’s guess on if he’s gone for 0, 1+ or the season is as good as anyone else’s until the mri.

[Fosco33]

What a sloppy game.

3 short Fg’s, taking the xp off the board, missed fg. Refs gifting multiple first downs on the final drive and topped w/ an injury. Stretch where of 5/7 drives led to points w/ 4 eagle TDs.

Field footing was bad. Team wasn’t connected given basically no preseason time. Long flight to Brazil. Longer flight home.

[red]

Seeing that in slomo and zoom make me way more concerned. There’s two times his ankle and knee ‘jiggle’.

Anyone’s guess on if he’s gone for 0, 1+ or the season is as good as anyone else’s until the mri.

the bad part is, they probably haven't even landed back home yet

so no one knows for sure

[Joemailman]

the bad part is, they probably haven't even landed back home yet

so no one knows for sure

They're scheduled to land at 11:28 AM today. Often if a player has a torn ACL, they can pretty much tell before an MRI is done. So if there's no news, that might be good news.

[King Friday]

The field was a shit show. The game plan lacked zest. The OL is mediocre and the defense still isn’t ready for prime time. I expect unfavorable news about Love. Guess those 13 and 14 win projections can be tossed in the trash.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GW3-3T7WQAAtxBC?format=jpg&name=large

[ThunderDan]

Packers looked like a team that had sat its starters during the preseason.

Red zone O was horrible. D was more aggressive but still hemorrhaged yards and points. Great that we got 3 take aways. Still couldn’t make tackles.

Season is wrecked if Love misses significant time.

Slippage on the field was crazy. How does the NFL not let teams send someone down to test fields the week before international games so players can have the correct footwear?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't believe in Love. I never have, I never will. Love’s never worth the pain that you feel.

Skunk for Sheduer!

No, seriously, PackersNews is reporting that Love was walking fine after the game. He’ll be fine and dandy.

[Joemailman]

Packers looked like a team that had sat its starters during the preseason.

Red zone O was horrible. D was more aggressive but still hemorrhaged yards and points. Great that we got 3 take aways. Still couldn’t make tackles.

Season is wrecked if Love misses significant time.

Slippage on the field was crazy. How does the NFL not let teams send someone down to test fields the week before international games so players can have the correct footwear?

The Eagles and the NFL had people inspecting the field.

[Joemailman]

Musgrave had a quiet training camp. He played 25% of snaps Friday night. What's going on?

[beveaux1]

Musgrave had a quiet training camp. He played 25% of snaps Friday night. What's going on?

Might have been beaten out by Kraft. 2nd string TE might only play 1/4 of snaps.

[Joemailman]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

Initial tests indicated Jordan Love’s ACL is intact. But there’s a wide range of outcomes based on additional scans, which will occur when the team gets back to Green Bay later today. x.com/RapSheet/statu…

[Sparkey]

That philly Dline was a bad matchup vs the Packs Online. Love is out for 6-8 weeks.

Good news is Hunting season starts next week...

[Jaire]

Just watched all the pressers post game.

If J Love is ok in a few weeks, I have high hopes for this team. It's very young, sloppy beginning on a sloppy field with bad refs to top it off. I really liked the good I saw, but I'm also very confident in this locker room, its leaders, their approach. It will take a few weeks for it to come together especially on D. Also, Philly is really really good (though they were also sloppy -- to be expected in the new NFL). Like Matt pointed out, Philly is absolutely stacked on offense (Hurts is the only question) and the new coordinator seems to have turned them around. As far as I'm concerned Philly is the team to beat in the NFC. San Fran continues to age and they have gotten weaker in the trenches the last couple years. I'm still not sold on Detroit. The dark horses have a lot to prove.

[Jaire]

That philly Dline was a bad matchup vs the Packs Online. Love is out for 6-8 weeks.

There's the adversity. The D will have to grow up quick. Matt's gonna get his biggest test as well.... but I'm certainly not gonna hit panic yet.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

. Love is out for 6-8 weeks.
.

Dr. Sparkey, MD, is in da house?

[red]

Love is out for 6-8 weeks.



so quadruple that because its the packers training staff

[Joemailman]

Hoping it's an MCL which, depending on severity would likely mean 2-6+ weeks.

[Jaire]

so quadruple that because its the packers training staff

It's a new staff. So, we'll see

[red]

Hoping it's an MCL which, depending on severity would likely mean 2-6+ weeks.

if its 6 weeks, then season over

we'll be 0-7 by then with willis as our QB

[Teamcheez1]

if its 6 weeks, then season over

we'll be 0-7 by then with willis as our QB

This. If the outcome is 6-8 weeks we will not recover to compete for a playoff spot.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Love will play next week. Betting my $15/hr paycheck on it.

[Joemailman]

Packers went 3-6 with Brett Hundley starting. It would be possible to win enough games to stay in the playoff hunt. Games against Colts, Titans, Vikings and Cardinals would be winnable. Obviously the defense would have to play better.

[red]

get on the phone with Ryan Tannehill

[Fosco33]

Things people haven’t said.

2 international games.
2 losses.
2 franchise QBs lost on essentially last play of the game / Hail Mary attempts.
Both vs teams w/ Barkey as the RB

[Fosco33]

get on the phone with Ryan Tannehill

Or Tom fricken Brady

[Vincenzo]

Love will play next week. Betting my $15/hr paycheck on it.
Haha.
Tragedy struck man, I’d say 4-6 weeks minimum.
Or as my 82 year old father would say, “at a bare mineemum.”

[Joemailman]

Love getting off plane. https://x.com/AndyHermanNFL

[pittstang5]

Love getting off plane. https://x.com/AndyHermanNFL

I don't have "X" nor am I going to get it, but what happened?

[Joemailman]

I don't have "X" nor am I going to get it, but what happened?

He was walking gingerly with one hand on the railing but carrying his own bag.

[smuggler]

Eagles looked more prepared to play. Packers made way too many mistakes and Love seemed like he was not in game shape.

[pittstang5]

He was walking gingerly with one hand on the railing but carrying his own bag.

If only I had the power of the internet at my fingertips to do a search....LOL. I googled it and found the video. Thanks for responding though.

Encouraging, but he's probably still out for some time. At least it doesn't appear to be season ending, but who knows.

[Joemailman]

Eagles looked more prepared to play. Packers made way too many mistakes and Love seemed like he was not in game shape.

Both teams had issues. Eagles turned the ball over 3 times and their defense gave up big plays. Kind of a typical week 1 game. Both teams played hard, made big plays, but made mistakes.

[RashanGary]

The holdings were ticky tack and they were at times in the game where we were starting to assert dominance and take over the game. Killed drives.

At least one and it felt like two, we had them off the field and a penalty advanced their drive.



The refs called a one sided game. We outplayed the Eagles if you take the refs out of the equation.

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

#Packers QB Jordan Love, who went down with a lower leg injury late in his team’s loss to the #Eagles in Brazil, had tests on his knee today that revealed an MCL sprain, source said. No ACL damage.

[Joemailman]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Grade 1: Possibly misses Colts/Titans games

Grade 2: Misses Colts & Titans games, possibly misses Vikings & Rams games.

Grade 3: Misses Colts, Titans, Vikings, and Rams games, possibly misses Cardinals, Texans, Jaguars, Lions games.

Bye week is Week 10.

Would think worst case is back Week 11 @ Chicago after the Bye.

[RashanGary]

He’s young, incredibly healthy, and has a loose body compared to so many athletes you can see are wired tight. He is going to grind and beat whatever timeline his grade tear is.

[RashanGary]

I do think it was incredibly painful. But the way it was being put under strain and then popped… that’s scary as shit. I think the pain along with really noticing the pop made it seem worse for him.

We’re so lucky. Even if we don’t make the playoffs, having him back makes evaluating the guys who are coming up for contracts so much cleaner of a measure. It is so important for both right now winning and long term decision making.

Let’s hope Clifford can win 2 out of 5 or 6.

[RashanGary]

It’s going to be a great year for evaluation. They get to see these guys in two very different situations. Davante performed with tweedle Dee and tweedle dumb in his career. The guys who do that will stand out.

[Sparkey]

Grade 2. 6-8 week recovery. Possibly play sooner with a brace but decreased mobility.

[bobblehead]

Eagles looked more prepared to play. Packers made way too many mistakes and Love seemed like he was not in game shape.

Thats the perspective of a Packer fan. Barkley looked ready to play. Reed looked ready. Everyone else looked unprepared. Hurts threw at least 4 passes that could have been picks. He got hit with a shotgun snap that he never reacted to.

Its game one of a long season. Willis will probably go 3-0 and we will give him $55 Million a year and trade Love.

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

My understanding is Jordan Love has between a Grade 1 and Grade 2 MCL sprain, which means he’ll miss a few weeks but not extended time.

[bobblehead]

The holdings were ticky tack and they were at times in the game where we were starting to assert dominance and take over the game. Killed drives.

At least one and it felt like two, we had them off the field and a penalty advanced their drive.



The refs called a one sided game. We outplayed the Eagles if you take the refs out of the equation.

There is some truth to this. The refs definitely didn't call the game in our favor. On one endzone play the DB just yanked Doubs jersey so he had no chance to go after the ball. The TV guys said it was uncatchable...yes, since doubs wasn't anywhere near the pass after the jersey pull he had no chance, its true. Some of the holding was legit, some was ticky tacky. I can't say that we outplayed them, but the refs did us no favors.

[RashanGary]

There is some truth to this. The refs definitely didn't call the game in our favor. On one endzone play the DB just yanked Doubs jersey so he had no chance to go after the ball. The TV guys said it was uncatchable...yes, since doubs wasn't anywhere near the pass after the jersey pull he had no chance, its true. Some of the holding was legit, some was ticky tacky. I can't say that we outplayed them, but the refs did us no favors.

Some of those holding calls on first half runs were so critical to us establishing a dominant tone. Those alone were disgusting.

The eagles had zero of that happening to them.

The touchdown pass to Doubs. Yeah, that’s a game changing call

The late defensive penalties on us that let them off the hook when we had them off the field.

They fucked us early when we were establishing dominance

They fucked us in the middle with a horrible red zone non call

And they fucked us late when we were going to finish it on defense against all odds


5 game changing calls were made against us in critical situations. We out played them. We played the same level of production despite being held back by what should be a neutral aspect of the game. We were plus 2 on the ball. We out played them. No doubt in my mind.

[MadtownPacker]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

My understanding is Jordan Love has between a Grade 1 and Grade 2 MCL sprain, which means he’ll miss a few weeks but not extended time.
Maybe just next week, the next, and then play with a brace hopefully.

[Sparkey]

The Eagles have better O and D lines. That's why the won.

Walker and Meyers worry me.

[Fosco33]

Fricken international games messing w/ our franchise QBs for 2nd time.

[Teamcheez1]

Wishful thinking to believe we’ll win much without Love.
Our offense is not going to pull its weight with a back-up QB.
The defense is shaky at best.

[RashanGary]

Matt Flynn had one good game in him. So maybe

[RashanGary]

Maybe just next week, the next, and then play with a brace hopefully.

Our guy carry’s 225 easy. He’s a big frame, durable dude. Put some respek on his name.

[RashanGary]

Quay Walker… tough as nails, dumb as rocks. He is not serviceable. He’s a liability.

[Joemailman]

Next 4 games are vs Indianapolis, @Tennessee, vs Minnesota and @LA Rams. If they can come out of week 5 no worse than 2-3 and get Love back, they'll be right in the playoff race.

[red]

Matt Flynn had one good game in him. So maybe

flynn knew the system

willis as been here like a week and a half

[sharpe1027]

It was a really even game against what most people think is one of the best teams in the league.

Our defense was bad despite the turnovers because they gave up 400+ yards.

Guess how many yards our poor offense had?

[sharpe1027]

flynn knew the system

willis as been here like a week and a half

At least there won't be any tape of his tendencies in this offense. Not even preseason.

I lied. There's one play.

[smuggler]

Is Love supposed to be out 4-6?

[Joemailman]

Is Love supposed to be out 4-6?

Don't know. But I think MCL's are usually 2-6.

[red]

Is Love supposed to be out 4-6?

i saw 3-6 somwhere

but i'm sure its all still guessing at this point

edit. found it

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1832509052456223013

[RashanGary]

It was a really even game against what most people think is one of the best teams in the league.

Our defense was bad despite the turnovers because they gave up 400+ yards.

Guess how many yards our poor offense had?


Hear me out:

There is a strange tendency of people to completely ignore officiating. But…..

If you lose the turnover battle -2, you’re 90% likely to lose that game.

If the officiating ends two key drives for you and keeps two key drives for the other team going and takes 4 points off the board compared to almost no negative impact on the other team, that is very similar to two turnovers.

As a matter of fact, in this game it was worse. We literally. LITERALLY, stayed with them blow for blow for 4 quarters. We won the ball +2. That’s a 90% probability of win. The officials were the difference. Period. The officials were the difference in this game. Every piece of evidence proves it. The only piece of evidence in opposition to this obvious reality is the cult insistence that we can’t talk about officiating.

The Green Bay packers beat the eagles on Friday night in every way except the phony score created by the refs.

[Fritz]

“ [QUOTE=RashanGary;1161957]Some of those holding calls on first half runs were so critical to us establishing a dominant tone. Those alone were disgusting.

The eagles had zero of that happening to them.

The touchdown pass to Doubs. Yeah, that’s a game changing call

The late defensive penalties on us that let them off the hook when we had them off the field.

They fucked us early when we were establishing dominance

They fucked us in the middle with a horrible red zone non call

And they fucked us late when we were going to finish it on defense against all odds.”

So you saying the refs were studs who had superior stamina?

[Joemailman]

Packers PFF Grades:

Top 5 offense
1. RT Zach Tom: 92.0
2. WR Jayden Reed: 89.2
3. LG Elgton Jenkins: 78.4
4. RB Emanuel Wilson: 69.4
5. RG Jordan Morgan: 67.7

Tom didn’t give up a single pressure over 43 pass-blocking snaps and earned an elite run-blocking grade. Reed had a drop, but he also averaged 4.93 yards per route run, picked up 54 yards after the catch and had a 33-yard rushing touchdown. Jenkins didn’t allow a pressure in the passing game and was solid in the run game. Wilson had two runs over 10 yards, a tough catch for a first down and a solid block on Reed’s touchdown run. Morgan allowed a single quarterback hit over 19 pass-blocking snaps and was solid in the run game.

Top 5 defense

1. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 85.9
2. S Xavier McKinney: 76.2
3. LB Eric Stokes: 66.7
4. CB Keisean Nixon: 65.4
5. DE Lukas Van Ness: 65.3

Cooper had a run stop, a batted pass and three total tackles on only 11 snaps. McKinney intercepted a pass, gave up only one completion into his primary coverage and made four tackles without a miss. Stokes had a missed tackle but ended up giving up only two catches into his coverage. Nixon had a sack of Jalen Hurts, a pass breakup and two stops, but he gave up four catches and missed two tackles. Van Ness had one hurry and one run stop over 19 snaps.

Bottom 5 offense

1. TE Luke Musgrave: 43.8
2. WR Dontayvion Wicks: 44.0
3. C Josh Myers: 50.1
4. TE Tucker Kraft: 55.1
5. WR Christian Watson: 59.6

Musgrave ran eight routes but didn’t catch either target, and he was the target on Jordan Love’s interception. Wicks had a drop and was 0-for-3 catching his targets. Myers gave up two pressures, was penalized once and received average run-blocking grades. Kraft was solid as a run blocker, but his 30 routes run resulted in only two targets. Watson caught a touchdown, but he turned 28 routes and five targets into only 13 yards.

Bottom 5 defense

1. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 35.7
2. DL Kenny Clark: 39.4
3. DE Kingsley Enagbare: 41.3
4. DL Karl Brooks: 42.4
5. DL TJ Slaton: 42.7

McDuffie missed two tackles and gave up a touchdown pass from Jalen Hurts to Saquon Barkley. Clark had four hurries but earned terrible grades against the run. Enagbare didn’t have a pressure or a tackle over 30 total snaps. Brooks delivered a pressure and two stops but earned the team’s lowest run defense grade. Slaton had three assisted stops and a hurry but also received poor grades against the run.

Special teams
Edgerrin Cooper had a tackle covering a kickoff and was the highest rated special teams player. Zayne Anderson also had a tackle. The Packers didn’t miss a tackle on special teams, but Rasheed Walker, Xavier McKinney and Isaiah McDuffie all had penalties. Brayden Narveson missed a 43-yard field goal. Daniel Whelan put one punt out of bounds inside the 20 and another forced a fair catch — his net average was 37 yards.

Quarterback play
Jordan Love: 64.6
Malik Willis: 42.5

Love was credited with two “big-time throws” and two “turnover-worthy plays,” and he was hurt by three drops, two throws while being hit and three throwaways. His adjusted completion percentage was 69.0 on an average depth of target of almost 10 yards. Love did connect on 3-of-5 passes over 20 yards downfield, but he was just 2-for-8 in the intermediate areas. He was 3-for-10 — including the 70-yard touchdown pass — on 12 pressured dropbacks. Willis threw wildly incomplete on his first snap and was sacked before attempting a Hail Mary on his second and final snap.

Stat to know
Cornerback Jaire Alexander had an interception, but he also allowed four catches for 108 yards and was penalized for holding. A.J. Brown was responsible for all four catches against Alexander, including a game-changing 67-yard score early in the second half, creating a decisive win for the Eagles in this primetime matchup.

[bobblehead]

Maybe just next week, the next, and then play with a brace hopefully.

Thats our best hope. Win one of 2 without him and get him back. I'd hate to be 0-4 when he returns and the season all but lost.

[bobblehead]

flynn knew the system

willis as been here like a week and a half

Tennessee still runs a similar system to us. Willis can be up to speed, its just a question of him being any good.

[Fosco33]

I can’t see why Clifford wouldn’t at least start and have Willis be the backup until he actually learns some plays?

[Joemailman]

I can’t see why Clifford wouldn’t at least start and have Willis be the backup until he actually learns some plays?

The fact that they didn't activate Clifford for the game would seem to suggest that they feel Willis has learned enough plays to run some version of the offense.

[RashanGary]

I can’t see why Clifford wouldn’t at least start and have Willis be the backup until he actually learns some plays?

I’d rather see Clifford.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Re. PFF grades: McDuffie sucks. Why Cooper did not play more is on the coaches. If Cooper ain’t in the lineup next week, LaFleur’s head needs to be on a figurative pike.

[Joemailman]

Re. PFF grades: McDuffie sucks. Why Cooper did not play more is on the coaches. If Cooper ain’t in the lineup next week, LaFleur’s head needs to be on a figurative pike.

He'll be in there more every game now. Dude's a rookie who missed most of training camp. I was glad to see him play as much as he did.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Nagler
@AaronNagler

One of the things that stood out re-watching the game: Packers need the guys who they’re paying like stars to play like stars. Need better from Love, Jaire, Kenny, Preston and Rashan. Of the guys counting 10+ mil against the cap in ‘24, Elgton had the lone good game.

[King Friday]

Myers is the biggest issue on offense. He’s an enormous liability that gives up way to much pressure right in the QBs face.

[Guiness]

Andy Herman
@AndyHermanNFL

Grade 1: Possibly misses Colts/Titans games

Grade 2: Misses Colts & Titans games, possibly misses Vikings & Rams games.

Grade 3: Misses Colts, Titans, Vikings, and Rams games, possibly misses Cardinals, Texans, Jaguars, Lions games.

Bye week is Week 10.

Would think worst case is back Week 11 @ Chicago after the Bye.

First time? lol

Seriously, qb is a position the pack has good luck with injuries. OL and DL? Not so much

[bobblehead]

I’d rather see Clifford.

I'd rather see the guy with the tools to possibly be a successful NFL QB.

[Fritz]

Dontayvion Wicks must've been out late partying or something the night before the game. He was not good, not at all.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Dontayvion Wicks must've been out late partying or something the night before the game. He was not good, not at all.

I wouldn’t blame him. Brazilian chicks are hot.

[ThunderDan]

Myers is the biggest issue on offense. He’s an enormous liability that gives up way to much pressure right in the QBs face.

I thought Monk looked good in the preseason. Maybe we will see a change mid way through the season.

[sharpe1027]

I’d rather see Clifford.

Clifford knows the offense, he just is incapable of running it. I'm for starting Willis and hoping for the best.

[Fritz]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

[Patler]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

[Joemailman]

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

Yes, and he did it against a vastly superior run defense to the one that Aaron Jones faced. But the Packers lost, so it's Overreaction Monday.

[Fosco33]

Didn't Jacobs have runs of 22 yards and 32 yards in the second half?

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

[bobblehead]

I also was not overly impressed with Josh Jacobs. A good back, for sure. Solid. Got a little shake. But I didn't see him bust a lot of tackles (shades of AJ Dillon?), and when he got out into space, it tended to be an eight-or-ten-yard gain, whereas Aaron Jones turned a lot of those into twenty yard gains.

That Eagles front is top notch. After we beat on them for a half we were more successful. He isn't AJ, but he has generally been more healthy in his career.

[bobblehead]

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

Again, timing and situation. Wilson came in after our OL had a couple series to pull it together. Most Ds are intent on stopping the run early. As the game goes on its up to a head coach to stay with it.

Anyone see last nights game. Campbell recognized this and ran it 107 straight times in OT and the tired Rams D was helpless to stop them.

[call_me_ishmael]

Josh Jones is not half the player that Aaron Jones is IMO. We shall see! Getting consistent yardage is one thing but it doesn't tilt the field that way that AJO's explosiveness does.

[bobblehead]

Josh Jones is not half the player that Aaron Jones is IMO. We shall see! Getting consistent yardage is one thing but it doesn't tilt the field that way that AJO's explosiveness does.

Fortunately for packer fans your opinion is wrong more often than right. How many rushing titles does AJ have?

[Joemailman]

14 times against Eagles Jordan Love threw 10+ yards downfield. 12 were down the left side. Were they targeting a certain defender? I seem to remember the passing offense being more varied last year.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/static-charts/900/pass-chart_LOV130776_2024-REG-1_1725681463161.jpeg

[call_me_ishmael]

Fortunately for packer fans your opinion is wrong more often than right. How many rushing titles does AJ have?

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

[Patler]

Yes.

Meaning his other 14 carries netted 30 yards. Felt very unreliable. Only 4 first downs. Stuffed on 2pt conversion. Too early to say he’s not worth it and that field was bad in 1st half.

For relevant comparison - our backup RB, Wilson, had 4 carries for 46 yards

You missed the point. My response was to a statement that when he got into space, Jacobs got 8 or 10 yard gains whereas Jones often turned those into 20 yard gains. The facts are that in limited opportunities, when he got into space Jacobs did have 20 and 30 yard gains. It was about his performance when he did have opportunities in space.

As for his other carries, I will neither criticize nor judge a back who is hit at or behind the line of scrimmage, which happened far too often in this game. What I did see Jacobs do was push the pile, getting the extra half yard or yard even when wrapped up.

[Fritz]

Oh you guys and your facts. They are getting in the way of my opinions, damnit. I'm just going to wait another half-dozen games, and if Jacobs turns out to be really good, I'm going to pretend I knew that all along and count on no one here remembering anything. If he's not so good, I will crow about how right I was.

Okay, onto another topic: Intriguing comment by The Flower about the coaching staff: “There was some uncharacteristic things that we did as a staff, quite frankly, and that trickled down to our players. So ultimately, we’ve all got to look ourselves hard in the mirror and find ways to get better because tonight, obviously, wasn’t good enough."

"Uncharacteristic"? Hmmm. My first thought leapt to Bisaccia because I sense a tension between him and The Flower. But the ST didn't seem unusual, and Nards's miss - well, I don't know that has to do with sloppy coaching. So who's the culprit? The Flower did not single himself out in that comment, except for the usual "it all starts with me" stuff. So I'm wondering if Half-Assley did something, or failed to do something, that pissed The Flower off. MLF also mentioned he was disappointed in the pass rush not getting home, and that when they did blitz, guys were uncovered. So is he sending a message to Half-Assley? That whatever the guy did or didn't do, he needs to prepare or prepare his defense in a different way?

Finally, any guy that can look himself hard in a mirror must have great self-esteem.

[Joemailman]

The Packers pass rush seemed to be more concerned with containing Hurts in the pocket than with getting hits on him. Maybe that's what he's upset With.

[run pMc]

Packers are not good in international games or in Week 1, and the Iggles are a tough matchup. Despite that they kept it close. I'm not too mad about the loss, I'm worried about how long the QB will be out. I do think with improved defense, a solid game plan, and competent QB they can beat the Colts next week. The have to play better in the trenches, they were way too sloppy and rusty.

I think it's unlikely they can catch DET for the NFCN if Love is out 3 games, but I think if they are 1-3 when he's back they can make a run for a wildcard. They were 4-8 and made it last year.

Jacobs didn't get many favors from the OL. I think that was rust and not being adjusted to NFL game speed. I get why they play around with OL lineups in camp, and think they should, but I have to think that impacts their cohesiveness to start the year, that plus not playing in preseason a lot.

The team will come back and be motivated to do better, especially at home. I expect MLF to earn his paycheck and for the team to play like its back is against the wall. Desperate teams are dangerous ones.

The defense was meh. AJ Brown is a big physical dude and Jaire will struggle with that. He'll bounce back.
Edgerrin Cooper could be a useful player to spy on Richardson. Rashan was the only DE that came to play, the DTs didn't get enough pressure.

Philly was 11-0 at one point last year before imploding. They're a good team. No shame losing to a quality opponent, but if you shoot yourself in the foot like they did you oughta feel like you let one slip away. Hopefully it's not one that's going to matter a lot in a few weeks.

[Patler]

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

Everyone he has played in. His playoff average is 6.4 yards per carry, 11.0 yards per reception. Ya. Ya. I know. It was only one game, but nothing I wrote is false! :)

[Patler]

No one should expect Josh Jones to be the same type of back that Aaron Jones was for the Packers. He is a different type of back. He won't have the same type of average per carry.
What we should hope to see is a good average, and more carries than Aaron Jones had in a typical year.

Just a guess on my part, but I suspect Aaron Jones nagging injuries last year and approaching 30th birthday created a belief that they needed to look to a future that would not include him. I don't think they intended or even wanted to out and out replace him in 2024, but when a younger, quality back became available for about what their commitment was to Aaron Jones, they went ahead and made the switch. It would have been a dream come true to have both, but that was never going to happen.

[bobblehead]

Who cares about that? How many playoff games has Josh Jones impacted?

Who the hell is Josh Jones for fuck sake get his name right. And I totally forgot. Football isn't a team sport. But if we must, that shitshow of an organization only got him to 1 playoff game where he averaged over 6 per carry for 80+ and had 4 grabs for 44. Easily comparable to Jones averages. I love Jones. I'll miss him. He's a viking now cuz he no longer can stay on the field.

[bobblehead]

See...now you got patler not even knowing his name.

[Patler]

:doh: I'll blame old age.....again. Funny thing is, as I wrote it, something just seemed wrong. Sorry!

[bobblehead]

:doh: I'll blame old age.....again. Funny thing is, as I wrote it, something just seemed wrong. Sorry!

Blame Ish. Most of the evil in the world is his fault.

[Patler]

Blame Ish. Most of the evil in the world is his fault.


Good point! :)
In my defense, I HAD just reread his post when I decided to type my reply; and, of course Josh Jones, the giant, fast and very athletic safety drafted in the 2nd(?) round a few years ago, had been a Packer. Unfortunately, he couldn't use that size and athleticism at the skill level of an NFL safety.

[run pMc]

Josh Jacobs is absolutely a different kind of back. Aaron Jones is probably 25 pounds lighter and more injury prone. He looks great now, but what does he look like in November? Also - Minny played an atrocious NYG team and thus was able to limit Jones's touches; they won't be able to do that all the time.

I say all that with the utmost respect for what Jones did while playing for GB. Dude was the engine and the heart of the offense for the last few years, really sucked they didn't keep him but he'll be lucky to survive 200+ touches this season. Jacobs should be able to handle that.

If they could've kept Jones as the RB2 that would have been awesome.

As it is, the OL did not give Jacobs much space to run early. They got it figured out eventually, but they need to do better. They'll get their timing and technique down

[MadtownPacker]

I have to think the soft field was the issue. Jacobs wasnt getting pushed back he just couldnt push forward. His wheels kept spinning and also received no help from teammates. Plenty of chances for them to shove Jacobs forward when he was being held up by 2 or 3 defenders. Like they are too use to Jones bouncing around. He didn’t flash but he was solid and never really lost yardage.

[Fritz]

I have to think the soft field was the issue. Jacobs wasnt getting pushed back he just couldnt push forward. His wheels kept spinning and also received no help from teammates. Plenty of chances for them to shove Jacobs forward when he was being held up by 2 or 3 defenders. Like they are too use to Jones bouncing around. He didn’t flash but he was solid and never really lost yardage.

O-Line gots to get their shit straight. I wonder who was worse -Ryan or Morgan? Do you just plug Morgan in and grit your teeth, since he can get better, while Sean Ryan looks destined to be the next Rolled Royce Newman?

[MadtownPacker]

I’m all for change at OL. Even if it means spending money. Sick of seeing teams like Dallas always falling forward 4-5 yards like nothing.

[Fritz]

That was how I remember Zeke Elliott in his early years. He'd get hit right at the line of scrimmage and end up with a gain of five anyway.

Maybe you just take your lumps with the rook at right guard, knowing he'll have some bad snaps but that it will serve the team well by season's end.

[bobblehead]

Good point! :)
In my defense, I HAD just reread his post when I decided to type my reply; and, of course Josh Jones, the giant, fast and very athletic safety drafted in the 2nd(?) round a few years ago, had been a Packer. Unfortunately, he couldn't use that size and athleticism at the skill level of an NFL safety.

Just another example of Fat Mike's poor coaching. Jones should have been a hybrid S/LB. His skills matched that role. Instead they kept lining him up in more of a free safety role.

[bobblehead]

That was how I remember Zeke Elliott in his early years. He'd get hit right at the line of scrimmage and end up with a gain of five anyway.

Maybe you just take your lumps with the rook at right guard, knowing he'll have some bad snaps but that it will serve the team well by season's end.

Rotation seems to keep guys on edge. They had success with it in the past. Personally I think Steno wants Rhyan to win that job so Morgan can be a tackle, but the only basis for my opinion is that Rhyan has lasted this long without performing. If Rhyan needs a fire lit, keep the rotation going. Morgan needs some tech work at this level and with a new position so I don't think its hurting anyone.

[Joemailman]

Rotation seems to keep guys on edge. They had success with it in the past. Personally I think Steno wants Rhyan to win that job so Morgan can be a tackle, but the only basis for my opinion is that Rhyan has lasted this long without performing. If Rhyan needs a fire lit, keep the rotation going. Morgan needs some tech work at this level and with a new position so I don't think its hurting anyone.

Some interesting thoughts on Sean Rhyan. Is he just not a zone blocking guy?

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/Confessions%20of%20a%20Polluted%20Mindset%20-%20%20Hurt

Being curious in what the Packers have or don't have in Sean Rhyan, I focused on him as I rewatched the game. Coming out of college, while he had decent athleticism, I felt like power was the former burly shot putter's forte. He tested well at the combine, with an 8.17 RAS, which kept him on the Packers radar, for sure. After watching all his snaps, and again, IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, I'd say that power is indeed, his forte. When one of the Eagles' DL tried to go right through him, he mostly held his ground and neutralized the defender, even muscling Jalen Carter to the ground a few times. When the DL's used avoidance tactics, like swim moves, for example, Rhyan was sometimes left watching his man's back as he rushed into the backfield. On the move on zone runs he struggled to sustain blocks. Pulling on power scheme runs, he was effective with his one-on-one block (See my example in yesterday's "3 Plays..." post). I was looking for some confirmation if my impressions were correct, so I checked with PFF, purely because they break down run blocking by zone or power scheme. I never put full faith into their rankings, but in this case I feel it's pretty safe. Their zone run blocking rating for Rhyan was a terrible 32.4, while the power run blocking rating was an excellent 87.4. That's a huge disparity, much greater than I would have imagined, but I think it does confirm my thoughts. While Rhyan has enough athleticism for zone, his technique in that scheme is inconsistent at best. When he's matched up one-on-one with a defender, whether across the line from him or at the end of a pull, he gets the job done.

[bobblehead]

So Rhyan is the Bizarro Myers.