Love injury

[red]

so this should probably have its own thread

is this a type of injury where once the pain is bearable you can just slap a brace on it and go play? or is it something where you just have to let it heal all the way?

and do you risk further damage if he plays before its healed? can it completely tear if rushed back too soon?

[MadScientist]

It has to be more than pain management or they'd shoot themselves up and play again soon. They're saying 3-6 weeks which means he'll be hopefully back in 8 weeks, given Packers injuries history.

[Fosco33]

Do you risk a full ACL/MCL tear mid season ruining both this, next year and possibly a career by coming back too fast?

[Bretsky]

you have to get it to where it's almost near right. IF you come back early, not only do you risk further knee injury, I think if you are favoring the knee too much you open yourself up to other leg injuries (speaking from experience in my younger days when I was athletic) ....such as a hamstring

[Bretsky]

HERE is the bigger question; is our season just F'cked ?

I can't imagine our current backup winning games. I think I'd rather have Sean Clifford, or Ryan Tannehill.

But Gute is on such a hugh youth movement kick it doesn't seem like he wants veteran backups

[sharpe1027]

HERE is the bigger question; is our season just F'cked ?

I can't imagine our current backup winning games. I think I'd rather have Sean Clifford, or Ryan Tannehill.

But Gute is on such a hugh youth movement kick it doesn't seem like he wants veteran backups

They still have Clifford. Tanehill wants a starting role and lots of money. He was never a realistic option for us.

[red]

i remember the old days where guys would completely tear a knee ligament and just keep playing the year with a giant knee brace. i think o-linemen did that

the risk of further injury is what would worry me

[red]

HERE is the bigger question; is our season just F'cked ?

I can't imagine our current backup winning games. I think I'd rather have Sean Clifford, or Ryan Tannehill.

But Gute is on such a hugh youth movement kick it doesn't seem like he wants veteran backups

the shit thing is, this was kind of our "all in" year

loves cap number is going up after this, and we're gonna have to start paying our young guys, or cut them loose

[MadtownPacker]

I’m kinda with Red. If he can play effectively then he should play regardless. He is getting paid to that level and the time to win is now maybe not in 5 years.

[Joemailman]

I’m kinda with Red. If he can play effectively then he should play regardless. He is getting paid to that level and the time to win is now maybe not in 5 years.

I disagree. I think next year is really "the year". All the receivers will still be under contract, and the defense will have a year of learning the system under their belt. Don't rush Love back and jeopardize him being 100% for the start of next year.

[Joemailman]

There was a report that Packers had reached out to Tannehill. But I think this is a better source:

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

The #Packers have not reached out and are not expected to pursue any veteran quarterbacks, including Ryan Tannehill, per sources.

The team expects Jordan Love back on the sooner end of the initial 3-6 week timeline and are focused on preparing Malik Willis and Sean Clifford.

[King Friday]

I’m guessing Clifford will be the more likely option since he at least knows the offense. Willis is more of a long term project.

[Fritz]

I have to think so. Not only in terms of running the offense full-time, but also because it sounds like he's a project in need to lots of work with Tom Clements. Give the guy another week at least to figure out where the stadium is and whether he can find a place to rent a couch in Green Bay. Play Clifford and run that check-down offense and see if you can squeak by Indy.

[Patler]

It should be Willis. They will limit their gameplan to what he is comfortable with. His running ability will add a dimension that defenses will either have to respect (which could limit their aggressiveness) or give up yardage to. It can add a factor the offense will need.

[bobblehead]

Yep. Willis should and will start. Design the O around his talent. He has a monster arm. Run hard, deep shots, play action QB rollouts designed to stress the D with his running ability.

Win ugly. Pretty, don't care. Try and be 2-2 when Love takes the field again.

[Joemailman]

I have to think so. Not only in terms of running the offense full-time, but also because it sounds like he's a project in need to lots of work with Tom Clements. Give the guy another week at least to figure out where the stadium is and whether he can find a place to rent a couch in Green Bay. Play Clifford and run that check-down offense and see if you can squeak by Indy.

Run a checkdown offense and Indy will bring everybody up and make it tougher to run the ball. Willis has the arm to make them respect the deep ball. If they start Willis and it proves to be too much for him, you can always bring Clifford in off the bench.

[Fritz]

Run a checkdown offense and Indy will bring everybody up and make it tougher to run the ball. Willis has the arm to make them respect the deep ball. If they start Willis and it proves to be too much for him, you can always bring Clifford in off the bench.

Okay, okay, okay. All of you guys.

START WILLIS NOW!!

[Teamcheez1]

Clifford is a guaranteed loss. He is your 3rd string emergency quarterback.
Willis gives us a punchers chance.

[Tony Oday]

This is the defense and Josh Jacob's Team for the next 6 weeks.

[SkinBasket]

Clifford is a guaranteed loss. He is your 3rd string emergency quarterback.
Willis gives us a punchers chance.

You’re a guaranteed loss.

The only take away from this clusterfuck of a game is that this league is bullshit. Or at least the decision makers are. People is Brazil don’t give a fuck about the American football, but here’s two of the leagues top two teams slipping and slopping all over a gay soccer field until the top payed QB busts his fucking leg up. Was it worth it? And who the fuck negotiates NFL TV contracts? They finally get out of the most retarded contract ever with DirectTV, and immediately jump into more “exclusive” game rights with Peacock? Fucking Peacock? Who the fuck other than the gays subscribe to Peacock? Hope that was worth it Goodell. What a shitshow. Might as well bring in Dylan Mulvaney as the next commish.

[MadtownPacker]

Clifford is a guaranteed loss. He is your 3rd string emergency quarterback.
Willis gives us a punchers chance.I don’t know man. He has shown something before but looked like shit this year. Maybe this gives him a spark. He has a shitload of receivers and knows the playbook. It probably won’t be decided until Saturday night but I’m siding with Clifford starting.

[Joemailman]

This is the defense and Josh Jacob's Team for the next 6 weeks.

Sure, but you still need to be able to throw downfield or Jacobs will face 8-9 man fronts.

[sharpe1027]

Willis can run a check down offense.

[Fritz]

Willis can run a check down offense.

I am thinking, as we all are, that we'll see if the rest of this team has the talent and character to keep the Packers afloat for the next however-many games, until Love gets back.

I'm reminded of a season about ten years ago - I can't remember which season, maybe 2013 - in which, at a certain point, Bob McGinn (many of you remember him), who was a Packers' beat writer at the time, wrote an article announcing that the Packers finally, finally had enough talent to stay afloat IF something were to happen to Aaron Rodgers. He wrote that the defense looked like it could carry the team, and the running game looked strong enough to move the offense.

Then, of course, Aaron Rodgers DID get hurt. The very next week, I think. And, of course, the Packers proceeded to make Bob McGinn look like a starry-eyed fool, as they got run over and run over for a game or two before steadying the ship a little. But they certainly did NOT look like a team that could compete without Aaron Rodgers.

[ThunderDan]

I am thinking, as we all are, that we'll see if the rest of this team has the talent and character to keep the Packers afloat for the next however-many games, until Love gets back.

I'm reminded of a season about ten years ago - I can't remember which season, maybe 2013 - in which, at a certain point, Bob McGinn (many of you remember him), who was a Packers' beat writer at the time, wrote an article announcing that the Packers finally, finally had enough talent to stay afloat IF something were to happen to Aaron Rodgers. He wrote that the defense looked like it could carry the team, and the running game looked strong enough to move the offense.

Then, of course, Aaron Rodgers DID get hurt. The very next week, I think. And, of course, the Packers proceeded to make Bob McGinn look like a starry-eyed fool, as they got run over and run over for a game or two before steadying the ship a little. But they certainly did NOT look like a team that could compete without Aaron Rodgers.

Thanks for making me remember my PTSD moment over.

[Fritz]

Yeah, it's not a happy memory.

But it's a good moment to remember as we kool-aid drinkers start talking about how much more this team is talented, overall, than they used to be with Rodgers.

When announcers say things like "You know, this team always has a chance as long as (take your pick) Brett Favre / Aaron Rodgers is quarterbacking," everyone knows that what they're really saying is "Well, the Packers' overall talent level is really mediocre, but since they have a great QB they have a chance."

That's my concern now - that we got excited about the overall talent of this team, and are about to find out it's the Emperor's New Clothes all over again.

I don't expect much from the offense this week - the offensive line was pretty awful last week. Plus, and I don't know if anyone else saw this, Jacobs looks like a solid back, for sure, but not even close to the dynamic play of Aaron Jones. Even once Jacobs got going in the second half, I just saw a guy who is a good back, above average, but not in Jones's league.

So now it's on the defense - again. With yet another new coordinator, with the usual array of first-round picks littering the field, with a top free-agent signee, with all the resources spent on it that an NFL team could be expected to spend.

And I'm not inspired by the 34 points the Iggles dropped on this team. You know, the Iggles offense with the brand new offensive coordinator? During the first game of the season, when defenses are traditionally ahead of offenses?

[bobblehead]

Willis can run a check down offense.

The knock on Willis is inability to work through reads or make presnap reads (the knock on most young QBs that got by on athleticism in college and didn't play at top schools). The best way to play it is run, run, run, run and play action rollout. 2 reads max and then take off running if they are both covered. Preferably deep reads so you punish safeties sneaking up in run support.

[sharpe1027]

The knock on Willis is inability to work through reads or make presnap reads (the knock on most young QBs that got by on athleticism in college and didn't play at top schools). The best way to play it is run, run, run, run and play action rollout. 2 reads max and then take off running if they are both covered. Preferably deep reads so you punish safeties sneaking up in run support.

I assumed a check down offense meant not throwing anything unless it's really safe, resulting in a lot of defaulting to the check down option. Reading the defense isn't as important if that's the case.

I also agree with your premise that they can scheme to challenge the defense while limiting the complexity for the QB.

[run pMc]

The knock on Willis is inability to work through reads or make presnap reads (the knock on most young QBs that got by on athleticism in college and didn't play at top schools). The best way to play it is run, run, run, run and play action rollout. 2 reads max and then take off running if they are both covered. Preferably deep reads so you punish safeties sneaking up in run support.

Yup - the Jayden Daniels LSU offense - 2 reads and run. Willis can probably do that.
The OL has to play better, the D does too. Until he proves otherwise, Willis gives them a better chance than Clifford. Clifford did not look good in preseason.

Willis has a strong arm and can throw a pretty deep ball over the top to Watson if the safeties creep up to stop the run. You can guarantee MLF is going to scheme some deep shots. Question is whether Willis can be poised and accurate enough. MLF needs to come up with a game plan specific to his talents and relative newness to the team/playbook.

Love will be out 3 weeks. Aaron Jones has had this injury a few times. I think the team would rather Love come back vs. Minny at home than on the road vs. LAR, but he's gotta be healthy either way. Few QBs make it through a 17 game season...Love was lucky last year, and GB fans have been lucky in general going back to the Ironman Favre years.

[Joemailman]

Love will be out 3 weeks. Aaron Jones has had this injury a few times. I think the team would rather Love come back vs. Minny at home than on the road vs. LAR, but he's gotta be healthy either way. Few QBs make it through a 17 game season...Love was lucky last year, and GB fans have been lucky in general going back to the Ironman Favre years.

13 out of 32 made it through the season healthy last year. 10 started all 17 games and 3 sat out the last week because their playoff spot was locked up. (Purdy, Mahomes, Jackson)

[Patler]

Huh?


the Green Bay Packers aren't ruling out quarterback Jordan Love from playing in Week 2. Initially, it was believed that Love would miss multiple weeks with an MCL sprain. However, head coach Matt LaFleur stated on Monday that they will give Love every opportunity to suit up for the Packers' Week 2 matchup against the Indianapolis Colts. If Love is not cleared to play, then Malik Willis will be the starting quarterback.


"If Jordan is not cleared, then we'll start Malik, and Sean (Clifford) will be the backup," LaFleur said Monday.

LaFleur would not put a percentage on the likelihood of Love playing but said that he is doing "everything in his power" to get back as soon as possible. LaFleur said they would be cautious with Love and obviously wouldn't put him in a position where he couldn't protect himself. Green Bay's head coach also confirmed that Love is not going on injured reserve.
LaFleur indicated that they received relatively good news regarding Love's injury after returning from Brazil. Based on his comments, it sounds like the franchise quarterback is week-to-week.

[red]

interesting

so maybe a bit closer to that grade 1 sprain then the grade 2

maybe they mentioned grade 2 to help him save face after acting like his leg was ripped off while he was on the ground

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Huh?

Never underestimate the power of Love.

To paraphrase my beLoved Coldplay (and the Lovely Selena Gomez), when we called the mathematicians and asked them to explain, they said J-Love’s only equal to the pain.

Take a pain killer and play, J-Love!

[Fritz]

Huh?

I took LeFleur's statement as just a bit of gamesmanship.

We'll see.

[SudsMcBucky]

I took LeFleur's statement as just a bit of gamesmanship.

We'll see.

yeah, there ain't no way you'll see Love this week.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

yeah, there ain't no way you'll see Love this week.

Or next week. Or next month. Or next year. Or in one’s lifetime.

Some of us - like a certain wretched burger flipper - just ain’t meant for love.

[Rutnstrut]

I totally agree with Fritz. Jacobs is way overrated and not near the back Jones is. But as they like to do, the "experts" got rid of the better player.

[QBME]

I totally agree with Fritz. Jacobs is way overrated and not near the back Jones is. But as they like to do, the "experts" got rid of the better player.

Hey Rut - welcome back!!

Where's the avatar? How's Mae?

[MadScientist]

I totally agree with Fritz. Jacobs is way overrated and not near the back Jones is. But as they like to do, the "experts" got rid of the better player.

Jones has more game changing ability, but not as much game availability.

[bobblehead]

I totally agree with Fritz. Jacobs is way overrated and not near the back Jones is. But as they like to do, the "experts" got rid of the better player.

Lets revisit this conversation in December. I could be wrong, but history is on the side of the younger player. Jones has special vision, no doubt. But end of the day he is old by RB standards and Jacobs has a rushing title under his belt. Jones does not.

[texaspackerbacker]

I read that Favre didn't miss any time after an MCL injury. Apparently Jake Ferguson had a similar injury last Sunday, and there's a strong chance he will play next week.

There was a bullshit article by a media puke sorta criticizing Lafleur for considering playing Love. I'm thinking it's better than 50/50 he plays this week.

[Joemailman]

I read that Favre didn't miss any time after an MCL injury. Apparently Jake Ferguson had a similar injury last Sunday, and there's a strong chance he will play next week.

There was a bullshit article by a media puke sorta criticizing Lafleur for considering playing Love. I'm thinking it's better than 50/50 he plays this week.

Packers had bye week after his MCL, so he had 2 weeks to recover.

[MadtownPacker]

Packers had bye week after his MCL, so he had 2 weeks to recover.
That’s when he had the brace right? Lavar got him on MNF no?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Packers had bye week after his MCL, so he had 2 weeks to recover.

Doesn’t take anything away from the fact that Favor was tough as nails and dumb as a rock.

That redneck gunslinger couldn’t tell blue skies from pain, a green field from a cold steel reel, a smile from a veil.

With Love injured, oh, how I wish Butte was still here.

[Joemailman]

Doesn’t take anything away from the fact that Favor was tough as nails and dumb as a rock.

That redneck gunslinger couldn’t tell blue skies from pain, a green field from a cold steel reel, a smile from a veil.

With Love injured, oh, how I wish Butte was still here.

Meh. Butte now has the mobility of Joe Flacco.

[Joemailman]

That’s when he had the brace right? Lavar got him on MNF no?

He injured it against Washington in a late afternoon Sunday game. Arrington played in that game.

[MadtownPacker]

He injured it against Washington in a late afternoon Sunday game. Arrington played in that game.
Yeah that’s the game. Makes me wonder if Love can miss a week then come back looking like Forrest Gump.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Meh. Butte now has the mobility of Joe Flacco.

Brady had the mobility of Joe Pesci in Tampa. Didn’t handicap him from winning yet another ring.

Fuck it. The season’s lost. The dream is gone.

[bobblehead]

I'll bet the house on Love sitting for a few reasons. First, duh. He is injured and no need to risk the future. Even more important, the Packers are installing an offense for the Colts game with Willis taking snaps. Can you install an offense built around presnap reads and keeping an immobile Love from being hit with quick hitters and risk that Willis is the QB on sunday? You really need a very different game concept with him, and they are preparing the entire offense right now WITH him at QB. A last second swap handicaps everyone else on offense.

[Joemailman]

I'll bet the house on Love sitting for a few reasons. First, duh. He is injured and no need to risk the future. Even more important, the Packers are installing an offense for the Colts game with Willis taking snaps. Can you install an offense built around presnap reads and keeping an immobile Love from being hit with quick hitters and risk that Willis is the QB on sunday? You really need a very different game concept with him, and they are preparing the entire offense right now WITH him at QB. A last second swap handicaps everyone else on offense.

I don't think the Packers would have an offensive plan designed for an immobile Love. I don't think Love will be out there until he's reasonably mobile. I think they will have a gameplan that they feel Willis can execute. If they decide that Love can go, they can always add plays to the gameplan that wouldn't be in there if Willis was playing.