Proof that we (and announcers, PFF) aren't always qualified to judge.....

[Patler]

Jordan Love's interception looked like a bad decision, a forced throw, worthy of being intercepted. The announcers said as much. I believe PFF included it as a negative in their evaluation of Love's performance.

But, maybe not.... From one who actually knows the Packers offense, who knows what should have been happening, it was perhaps more the fault of Luke Musgrave. From Kurt Benkert on X:


the Inside post should be running an inside post, not looking back the entire way while running his route. Jordan is throwing to the spot with anticipation and if the TE just runs the route correctly it’s a completion or incomplete. No threat of pick if he does his job.

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and now we know why kraft is TE1

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love's interception looked like a bad decision, a forced throw, worthy of being intercepted. The announcers said as much. I believe PFF included it as a negative in their evaluation of Love's performance.

But, maybe not.... From one who actually knows the Packers offense, who knows what should have been happening, it was perhaps more the fault of Luke Musgrave. From Kurt Benkert on X:



PFF perhaps gives a hint that they agree with Benkert. They mention in their comments on Musgrave that he was the target on the interception. And overall, they give Love a much higher rating than Musgrave. Musgrave was only in on 25% of snaps. I wonder if he was benched after the interception.

[Fritz]

What's up with Stumblefoot Musgrave?

[Patler]

What's up with Stumblefoot Musgrave?

Focus? Dedication?

[bobblehead]

I'll brag. When they drafted Kraft I said the 3rd round curse was over. Sadly I envisioned awesome 2 TE sets, not Kraft winning the job outright.

[Patler]

Musgrave was only in on 25% of snaps. I wonder if he was benched after the interception.

Per article this morning, Musgrave played just one snap after the interception.

[Fritz]

I'm sure the reporters wil ask The Flower, and I'm sure he'll get snippy and say it was circumstances of the game that dictated who played, all of the usual crap.

So it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

[bobblehead]

Not to belabor a point, but this is just a byproduct of not enough snaps in game settings. Sometimes its guys resting sometimes its missing practices with injury. Musgrave ran that route like it was practice by the sounds of it. Its just a lack of focus which tends to ramp up with meaningful snaps. Walker went through some of the same issues at LT last year, but he did come around. I expect a better team each week, and hopefully we can squeak out some wins.

Indy was a sieve against the run this week. Get ready Jacobs, Wilson and Lloyd. 20 carries each might happen.

[run pMc]

Love's footwork was poor on the play, and he should have gone with Watson on the backside in-route - he had his man beat. Woulda shoulda coulda.

I don't doubt the coincidence of Musgrave not seeing the field post-interception though. Bad route, iffy throw.

Was a really poor time for it as well, inside your own 20 with the lead in the 3Q. If that turns into a FG drive for GB instead of a PHI TD that would have been the difference in the game.

[Patler]

So here is another example relevant to the topic of this thread:

PFF had Edgerrin Cooper as the top-rated defensive player on just 11 snaps. Discussed only about the plays that he DID make. But did they realize the following? How many of us blamed Quay on this TD run?


Cooper made his debut with 6 minutes, 40 seconds left in the Packers’ 34-29 season-opening loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in Sao Paulo. He immediately jumped into the action, teaming with defensive tackle T.J. Slaton to bring down quarterback Jalen Hurts after a 4-yard gain.

It was a good start for the Packers’ second-round pick, but it went downhill quickly a play later when he lined up on the wrong side of the formation on first-and-10 at the Packers’ 11-yard line. Around him, players were trying to figure out why a gap on the left side was left wide open, but they didn’t figure it out in time.

Eagles running back Saquon Barkley took the handoff, juked linebacker Quay Walker at the line of scrimmage and then ran right through the hole Cooper was supposed to be covering. He wasn’t even touched as he scooted into the end zone to give the Eagles a 13-12 lead that they turned into 14-12 after the extra point.

The coaches admitted that his error was so egregious that Cooper was almost benched for the remainder of the game. They decided to give him another chance, and he made plays.

[Fritz]

So here is another example relevant to the topic of this thread:

PFF had Edgerrin Cooper as the top-rated defensive player on just 11 snaps. Discussed only about the plays that he DID make. But did they realize the following? How many of us blamed Quay on this TD run?



The coaches admitted that his error was so egregious that Cooper was almost benched for the remainder of the game. They decided to give him another chance, and he made plays.

As much as I enjoy just being a knee-jerk fan, I enjoy even more the deeper dives that tend to explain things in a way that undercuts our knee-jerk reactions. I almost started a "Cut Quay Walker Now" thread in jest after that play, but in truth, finding out it wasn't really quite his fault is reassuring and more satisfying. And since Cooper's a rookie who barely played in the preseason, his mistake isn't so pressing as a vet like Walker filling the wrong hole ("That's what your mom said").

Thanks for pointing this out, Patler.

[bobblehead]

I rewatched the game today. Quay had a decent game. Kraft is really good. I actually love the way this defense pushes scramblers out of the pocket and then has an actual plan to bring them down. Whenever Hurts took off someone was mirroring him from the middle of the field and closing.

The D wasn't good nor bad. As JH pointed out they got fucked on some calls. On one play where the pack would have had them at 3rd and 12 a phantom penalty was called on Jaire (yes, I can admit he got fucked). On an endzone play for us a guy flat out yanked doubs jersey in the back of the endzone taking him completely out of the play with no flag. It doesn't matter if thats uncatchable, its holding and it was WHY it was uncatchable.

The loss is annoying, but it was razor thin and game one. The loss of Love is what really hurts.

[SudsMcBucky]

I never use PFF as a stand alone per game rating. The only thing I keep track of is if a players CONSISTENTLY in the top or bottom.

[run pMc]

PFF on a game by game basis can be very iffy IMO. Going off an entire season yields more reasonable measures.
I know PFF has undergone some major changes and their attempt to provide scores on so many games and players has caused them to hire people who might not be up to the task.

[RashanGary]

Packers fans gave up on Josh Jacob’s after 2 quarters of football too. We don’t always know what we think we know.

[Patler]

So, I have seen quite a bit of criticism this week directed towards Kenny Clark by fans, journalists, even PFF. Some said he did little, was outplayed by Wyatt, etc.

Yet, as explained on his TV show, LaFleur gave Clark a game ball this week for doing exactly what they asked and needed him to do.

Ah....how little we know.....