More Banjo - Packers vs. vikings

[MadtownPacker]

Love 4 TD but 3 picks?

Jacobs only 9 carries for 50

Defense? Totally shit show.

Let’s not forget JoeMailman was at the game. Fucking jinx.

[beveaux1]

Love looked better as the game went on with his footwork. Maybe this game knocks the rust off of him and he starts playing like a $50 million man.

[Teamcheez1]

One big question to be answered:

Who will be our kicker next week?

[MadtownPacker]

One big question to be answered:

Who will be our kicker next week?
Better question. Should Packers just go for it from inside the 40 on 4th down.

[QBME]

One big question to be answered:

Who will be our kicker next week?

Great question.
One thing I noticed - after the last Packer PAT, MLF walked right by Nards and didn’t even acknowledge he existed. On the ensuing onsides kick the freaking punter attempted some sort of drop kick that appeared to me to be made up on the moment.
My guess is ole Guter is combing every possible list and we’ll see 2 or 3 or 4 kickers on Tuesday competing for a gig.

[Freak Out]

Gute fucked this one up bad. We knew the problem and its worse this season. Epic failure on the GM.

[MadScientist]

MLF gave Narvison a vote of confidence in the post game presser. We all know how much that means.

[red]

the offense was pretty shitty today

love was pushing too hard and making dumb throws, wicks dropped 50 balls, kraft with the fumble, o line penalties, etc

josh jacobs is a top 5 paid running back, is he worth it? he's not that much better then wilson at this point. don't over pay for running backs. they do not win and lose you games

[red]

question on the drop kick

after the ball bounces off the ground, can you kick it up into the air? or does it have to hit the ground after its kicked

the ball came off the ground enough where he could have gotten his toe under it to flick it up. do like a 15 yard mini punt and you almost have a hail mary type situation

[Teamcheez1]

My question is who decides which kicker we keep?
You’ve had Carlson, Narveson, Joseph, and a handful of others.
I doubt Gute makes the decision. I’m assuming MLF and Bisaccia make the final call.

[Fritz]

Great question.
One thing I noticed - after the last Packer PAT, MLF walked right by Nards and didn’t even acknowledge he existed. On the ensuing onsides kick the freaking punter attempted some sort of drop kick that appeared to me to be made up on the moment.
My guess is ole Guter is combing every possible list and we’ll see 2 or 3 or 4 kickers on Tuesday competing for a gig.

Okay, I am so sad about so many shitty things that happened today in that game, but the biggest takeaway for me is that Narveson was worse than Warm Carlson, and I did not think that possible.

I now wish to publicly withdraw my nickname for Narveson, as it was clearly not the truth about him. I would like to officially change his nickname from "Nards Narveson" to "Turd Narveson."

I did at least get Jeff "Half-Assley" right. What shit defense that was today. Darnold had time enough to order lunch before needing to throw the ball, at least for three quarters or so. A million first- and second-round picks plus an expensive free agent, and they still can't do the job.

Wicks sucked ass. I hope the second half found him finally pulling his head out of his ass. Was he reading all his press clippings?

And huge surprise: Christian Watson hurt. Again.

And Jordan Love looked rusty. I hope that's all that was.

Aaron Jones outperformed Jacobs, I think, though the Minny defense played far better than the Packer defense.

Nice that the team fought back, but still too many stupid fucking mistakes right up to the end. Fumbles and bumblefucks - the story of the game.

Sigh. Okay. It's a long season.

But Guter better come up with a better answer at kicker.

[QBME]

question on the drop kick

after the ball bounces off the ground, can you kick it up into the air? or does it have to hit the ground after its kicked

the ball came off the ground enough where he could have gotten his toe under it to flick it up. do like a 15 yard mini punt and you almost have a hail mary type situation

After it travels 10 yards it is a live ball, whether in the air or on the ground. The flip side of the coin is the receiving team can signal a fair catch. If they catch it things get interesting-they can then attempt a “free kick”; basically a holder positioning the ball and the kicker attempting a field goal with no snap, no defensive rush. Same rules as after a safety and a team has to punt to the team making the safety.

[ThunderDan]

Can’t blame Watson for this injury. Love led him into two guys and got his ankle rolled up on.

[QBME]

Can’t blame Watson for this injury. Love led him into two guys and got his ankle rolled up on.

Hey, he’s Crystal Watson. It was just a matter of time.

[ThunderDan]

Love looked like he locked into a read pretty early today.

On one of the 4th down plays he had Kraft running by himself 20 yards down the field and instead went to Wicks I think. Kraft wouldn’t have scored but he would have gotten at least 35 yards and the 1st down.

[ThunderDan]

Love had Jacobs for an easy 1st on 3rd and 4 to start the 2nd half. He went to Wicks and it was ruled incomplete on review.

Jacob was literally standing in the flat with no one within 10 yards.

[Teamcheez1]

Can’t blame Watson for this injury. Love led him into two guys and got his ankle rolled up on.

Bad luck for Watson. What came to mind is that next year is the last year that Watson is under contract.
A lot will happen between now and then, but we will be making a decision in the next 18 months whether to resign him.

[red]

After it travels 10 yards it is a live ball, whether in the air or on the ground. The flip side of the coin is the receiving team can signal a fair catch. If they catch it things get interesting-they can then attempt a “free kick”; basically a holder positioning the ball and the kicker attempting a field goal with no snap, no defensive rush. Same rules as after a safety and a team has to punt to the team making the safety.

ahhhh

i forgot about the fair catch

[Teamcheez1]

As poorly as our offense played, we still managed 29 points (which should have been 35).
I still feel good about this season.
Love and the offense will be more in sync.
The defense is a work in progress, but they have the pieces.

[pittstang5]

Welp, 2-2 is better than 1-3, but 3-1 would have been nice.

I missed the game and glad I did. Sounds like I would have found something else to do at half-time. I just hope they bounce back next week.

[red]

they are thinking "glass" watson has a high ankle sprain

[ThunderDan]

they are thinking "glass" watson has a high ankle sprain
No thinking about it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go on the IR to return.

[texaspackerbacker]

Even with back ups at the Corners, I wish Hafley had gone to blitz way earlier and more often. It worked wonders last week and may very well have done the same against Darnold. At any rate, it couldn't have been much worse than letting them march right down the field too many times.

I thought the Packers got shafted on 2 of the 3 catch or not replays. One was made up for, though, on McKinney's interception.

A lot of times, a near miss comeback like this can lead to good things in future games. Hopefully that's what happens this time.

[Fritz]

Even with back ups at the Corners, I wish Hafley had gone to blitz way earlier and more often. It worked wonders last week and may very well have done the same against Darnold. At any rate, it couldn't have been much worse than letting them march right down the field too many times.

I thought the Packers got shafted on 2 of the 3 catch or not replays. One was made up for, though, on McKinney's interception.

A lot of times, a near miss comeback like this can lead to good things in future games. Hopefully that's what happens this time.

The defensive ends are also way, way underperforming. Half-Assley shouldn't have to constantly send blitzers to get pressure. Van Ness is not developing, Gary has been barely mediocre, Smith and Enagbare not great either.

Big reason for the loss was how much time Darnold had in the pocket. And he's not a big runner, so you can't use the "we have to stay disciplined in our rushes cuz he can run" excuse.

[CaptainKickass]

I'm old and must've missed the rule change where a muffed punt recovery is not a touchdown? Crazy sequence to get that score.

Matt LaFleur got flagged for a 15-yard penalty for basically telling the refs to go fuck themselves.

Aaron Jones kept out of the end zone.

Nixon's blitz-sack-fumble on Darnold was quite enjoyable.

[Joemailman]

I'm old and must've missed the rule change where a muffed punt recovery is not a touchdown? Crazy sequence to get that score.

Matt LaFleur got flagged for a 15-yard penalty for basically telling the refs to go fuck themselves.

Aaron Jones kept out of the end zone.

Nixon's blitz-sack-fumble on Darnold was quite enjoyable.

Muff rule is not new. Can't advance a muff. Just doesn't happen very often.

MLF said he did not use foul language. So he didn't even get his money's worth. Damn.

Agree about Jones not scoring. I was at the game and didn't want to witness a purple Lambeau Leap by him.

Unfortunately, Nixon's sack/fumble was pretty much the extent of the Packers pass rush for the day.

[red]

they asked love after the game if the one int was intended for musgrave or doubs

he said he was throwing to doubs

musgrave jumped up for it, tipped it, it ends up going slightly behind doubs you can't get a hold of it and it gets picked off. after the play doubs was very upset on the sideline, even looked like he spiked his helmet

[Joemailman]

they asked love after the game if the one int was intended for musgrave or doubs

he said he was throwing to doubs

musgrave jumped up for it, tipped it, it ends up going slightly behind doubs you can't get a hold of it and it gets picked off. after the play doubs was very upset on the sideline, even looked like he spiked his helmet

On the INT where Watson got hurt, that wasn't on Love either. Watson and Musgrave ran their routes very close together. The LB who had Musgrave was able to peel off and make the play which both injured Watson and became an INT. https://x.com/i/status/1840779755773104575

Also, on the 4th down play where Love threw deep to Wicks in the end zone, Wicks should have come down with the ball. The ball hit him in the shoulder pad. https://x.com/i/status/1840564404389023823

Not saying Love was great, but his receivers weren't doing him many favors.

[Fritz]

On the INT where Watson got hurt, that wasn't on Love either. Watson and Musgrave ran their routes very close together. The LB who had Musgrave was able to peel off and make the play which both injured Watson and became an INT. https://x.com/i/status/1840779755773104575

Also, on the 4th down play where Love threw deep to Wicks in the end zone, Wicks should have come down with the ball. The ball hit him in the shoulder pad. https://x.com/i/status/1840564404389023823

Not saying Love was great, but his receivers weren't doing him many favors.

Seems like Musgrave needs to get his head out of his ass. And Watson needs to get his ankle out of his ass.

But I think the offense will be okay. It's going to take time.

In the meantime I'm wondering how that international PS kicker is doing . . .

Mostly though I'm wondering what the hell happened to the vaunted defensive end depth. Can't tell you how many times I heard Wayne Larivee say "Darnold back. He's looking . . . looking . . . still looking . . . "

All this crap about being turned loose, get upfield, free us to do our thing, blah blah blah. WTF is wrong? Rashan Gary's done it before, but right now he's doing nothing. Smith is Smith. Van Ness does not seem to be developing - is he going to be a dud? Enagbare playing like a third-stringer. The only way they get pressure seems to be via blitzing.

[MadtownPacker]

Agree about Jones not scoring. I was at the game and didn't want to witness a purple Lambeau Leap by him.You could tell he was itching to do it. Went hard that last run when he got stopped short of the 1st. Might have been the highlight of the game for me.

[run pMc]

On the INT where Watson got hurt, that wasn't on Love either. Watson and Musgrave ran their routes very close together. The LB who had Musgrave was able to peel off and make the play which both injured Watson and became an INT. https://x.com/i/status/1840779755773104575

Also, on the 4th down play where Love threw deep to Wicks in the end zone, Wicks should have come down with the ball. The ball hit him in the shoulder pad. https://x.com/i/status/1840564404389023823

Not saying Love was great, but his receivers weren't doing him many favors.

I think that was more on Love than you make it to be. Usually the backer takes the TE (musgrave) down the seam, leaving a nice window for Watson. The LB kept eyes on the QB and made a great play. If Love waited a split second longer he would have noticed the Musgrave had the backer beat up the seam because he was peeking. Really was a combo of Love being rusty and the LB making a good play. The timing on the receivers might have been a little off but there was still room.

Also, Andy Herman posted this - the Vikings had some pretty good pass pro schemed up, where every DL was basically getting a chip and a block, buying Darnold enough time to survey the field. Not having Jaire or Valentine certainly didn't help, but the Vikings were well prepared -- at least to start.
IDK what 2nd half adjustments were made, but the defense allowed 3 points, so something worked.

Kenny Clark and Rashan Gary have been too quiet this season so far.

2-2 after 4 games; I'm not too worried but would have loved to beat the Vikings at home. At this point the preseason rust should be gone, the penalties should (in theory) start to diminish, and Love's timing and reads should improve. Lotta football yet, and they aren't out of it.

Jayden Reed is pretty good.

Very worried about the kicker. Missing from inside 45 yards is Carlssonian, and we can't have that. Making just one of those FGs changes the complexion of the game. And yeah, I'd like to see how MIN does when they are down 10 points early in 3Q.

I continue to be on Aaron Jones injury watch. Watson's injury sounds like it will be a couple of weeks. This wasn't his fault, let him heal up. Watson with fresh legs midseason could be fun.

[red]

the flower said after the game he figured watson would miss a week

however its now been confirmed to be a high ankle sprain where guys usually miss 6-8 weeks

and this is watson we are talking about, so he's probably going to miss the season

[Fritz]

At this point I'm more concerned about the defense than the offense. I think the offense will come together, but the defense . . . that's concerning. I don't know if I hear "gaping hole" more on porn sites or on Packer broadcasts these days.

[sharpe1027]

We're number #1 in turnovers. We complained about Barry's passive defense that didn't take enough risks. Do we now we now complain because we give up too many big plays and should play more sound defense?

It's hard for me to keep up with the latest trends!

[Fritz]

We're number #1 in turnovers. We complained about Barry's passive defense that didn't take enough risks. Do we now we now complain because we give up too many big plays and should play more sound defense?

It's hard for me to keep up with the latest trends!

I don't think that when it's an obvious passing down and the opposing QB has all day to throw that that's happening because Half-Assley is taking too many risks. Darnold was not a big rushing threat, so it's not like they had to rush in this ultra-disciplined way like with a running QB. So why couldn't they apply pressure?

I am NOT asking for Joe Barry's defense. At all. I am asking why this system, which is supposed to free the rushers to get upfield, isn't getting it done on that count.

[sharpe1027]

Packers are 9th in sacks.

[ThunderDan]

Packers are 9th in sacks.

It helps to get 8 sacks in 1 week.

[sharpe1027]

It helps to get 8 sacks in 1 week.

Yes. We still had two sacks against the Vikings. Not exactly an outstanding showing, but you can't expect 8 every week against good teams. Especially when you look at how much they were utilizing Jones. They ran more times than they passed.

[red]

pass rushing isn't just about the sack #s

[bobblehead]

I'm old and must've missed the rule change where a muffed punt recovery is not a touchdown? Crazy sequence to get that score.

Matt LaFleur got flagged for a 15-yard penalty for basically telling the refs to go fuck themselves.

Aaron Jones kept out of the end zone.

Nixon's blitz-sack-fumble on Darnold was quite enjoyable.

Its been the rule for awhile. Unless the player gains possession you can't advance it. I think the rule is the same for kickoffs which is why you can't advance an onside unless opposition were to gain complete possession and then fumble it somehow.

[bobblehead]

Mostly though I'm wondering what the hell happened to the vaunted defensive end depth. Can't tell you how many times I heard Wayne Larivee say "Darnold back. He's looking . . . looking . . . still looking . . . "

All this crap about being turned loose, get upfield, free us to do our thing, blah blah blah. WTF is wrong? Rashan Gary's done it before, but right now he's doing nothing. Smith is Smith. Van Ness does not seem to be developing - is he going to be a dud? Enagbare playing like a third-stringer. The only way they get pressure seems to be via blitzing.

They didn't adjust to a non running QB. They were still collapsing the pocket as if to contain him...Sam Darnold....contained. The dude is genetically contained so they needed to use a few inside moves.

[Patler]

Some interesting pass-rush tidbits I found:

- The Packers rank last in the NFL in ESPN's pass rush win rate metric.
- Rashan Gary has the Packers' worst PFF pass rush grade, with one sack and no QB hits.
- Since Week 14 of 2023, Gary has one sack, six hits, and 24 hurries.

[CaptainKickass]

Muff rule is not new. Can't advance a muff. Just doesn't happen very often.


Its been the rule for awhile. Unless the player gains possession you can't advance it. I think the rule is the same for kickoffs

I stand corrected. You and the mailman have delivered. Only a fumble recovery can be advanced by the kicking team. I somehow thought it was different for punts vs kickoffs but my research says they are the same.

[Fritz]

Some interesting pass-rush tidbits I found:

- The Packers rank last in the NFL in ESPN's pass rush win rate metric.
- Rashan Gary has the Packers' worst PFF pass rush grade, with one sack and no QB hits.
- Since Week 14 of 2023, Gary has one sack, six hits, and 24 hurries.

Wait . . . if Rashan Gary continues to underperform, does that mean I can dig up my old posts about him being a horrible draft pick, and crow about that?

I'd prefer that he gets going and plays like a demon and I can pretend I thought he was great all along.

If they can't get to Statue Stafford next week without blitzing extensively, then they're worse than we thought.

[sharpe1027]

pass rushing isn't just about the sack #s

Agreed. The Queens were leaning heavy on Jones and the Packers were short handed in the secondary. The DB issues might have limited their ability to blitz. They might have been focused on containing Jones (hard to convince me they were very worried about Darnold running).

[sharpe1027]

Some interesting pass-rush tidbits I found:

- The Packers rank last in the NFL in ESPN's pass rush win rate metric.
- Rashan Gary has the Packers' worst PFF pass rush grade, with one sack and no QB hits.
- Since Week 14 of 2023, Gary has one sack, six hits, and 24 hurries.
Does that metric just cover DL?

[Patler]

Does that metric just cover DL?

I don't know, as I saw a summary commentary, not the source material.

[sharpe1027]

I don't know, as I saw a summary commentary, not the source material.
Seems odd they'd be so low as a team when they're 9th in sacks. I found another site that listed them as seventh in sack percentage, which I assume is sacks per pass attempt. Something doesn't add up.

[Patler]

Seems odd they'd be so low as a team when they're 9th in sacks. I found another site that listed them as seventh in sack percentage, which I assume is sacks per pass attempt. Something doesn't add up.

If ESPN includes hits, hurries and pressures as pass rush "wins" it could explain it.

[Joemailman]

If a team is relying on blitzes for a lot of their sacks, they could be low in pass rush win rate and still get a fair number of sacks. Also, coverage sacks may not include what would be considered a pass rush win.

[bobblehead]

Agreed. The Queens were leaning heavy on Jones and the Packers were short handed in the secondary. The DB issues might have limited their ability to blitz. They might have been focused on containing Jones (hard to convince me they were very worried about Darnold running).

Bad call by Halfwit. When you have inadequate coverage you blitz more so routes can't develop. Bring the heat, don't let Darnold wait for our bad CBs to break down. You may get burned occasionally but its the right strategy.

[sharpe1027]

If a team is relying on blitzes for a lot of their sacks, they could be low in pass rush win rate and still get a fair number of sacks. Also, coverage sacks may not include what would be considered a pass rush win.
Yes, this might be part of it. Perhaps along with Patler's point.

[Joemailman]

Some things never change.

Wendell Ferreira
@wendellfp

Packers DVOA ranks through 4 weeks:

Team: 7th

Offense: 3rd
Defense: 19th
Special teams: 28th

[Fritz]

Some things never change.

Wendell Ferreira
@wendellfp

Packers DVOA ranks through 4 weeks:

Team: 7th

Offense: 3rd
Defense: 19th
Special teams: 28th

Holy cow. Same ol', same ol' Packers!

Let's hope they can turn around the special teams and the defense improves.

[sharpe1027]

19th is probably an improvement.

[Joemailman]

Can't say he didn't spread the ball around.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/static-charts/900/pass-chart_LOV130776_2024-REG-4_1727642169053.jpeg

[MadtownPacker]

With 54 attempts is more like he ran out of places to pick. Pretty sure that many attempts usually mean losing.

[Joemailman]

With 54 attempts is more like he ran out of places to pick. Pretty sure that many attempts usually mean losing.

That was certainly not the game plan. Would have been nice if the defense could have gotten a stop or 2 in the 1st half.

[MadtownPacker]

That was certainly not the game plan. Would have been nice if the defense could have gotten a stop or 2 in the 1st half.
Doubt it would have mattered. Might have just been more INTs the way Love was chucking it up for grabs.

[call_me_ishmael]

Romeo Doubs skipping practice because he's unhappy with his role? Yikes. Bad vibes from a team that seemed to have such good vibes last year.

[Fritz]

I hear you, Ish. We were led to believe this team was super tight and close and all-for-one.

https://lombardiave.com/posts/romeo-doubs-removes-all-mention-packers-instagram-account-01j9deqeypph

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, it's STUPID to believe know-nothing media troublemakers about this Doubs situation (or much of anything else).

[MadtownPacker]

I say again, it's STUPID to believe know-nothing media troublemakers about this Doubs situation (or much of anything else).
Dammit Tex you know Doubs is my favorite and even I have to believe this appears real. Why? Because Doubs removed all things Packers from his Instagram. I know that doesn’t mean shit to guys like me and you, but it’s a pretty big deal to Doubs generation. Media doesn’t control his social media.

[Bretsky]

Romeo Doubs skipping practice because he's unhappy with his role? Yikes. Bad vibes from a team that seemed to have such good vibes last year.


Doubs is in a rough spot. He's in year 3 of his contract. He needs to kill it this year to get a huge extension in GB, OR kill it next year to get some big $$$ in free agency.

But he's our 3rd best WR now. And I don't think Gute is chasing him down to offer big $$ anytime soon.

I think you can build a long term , crazy great passing offense around Reed and Wicks and use draft picks to fill the surrounding voids.

Maybe they keep Watson on the cheaps because he's always hurt. But Romeo probably wants a much greater role

[Bretsky]

Dammit Tex you know Doubs is my favorite and even I have to believe this appears real. Why? Because Doubs removed all things Packers from his Instagram. I know that doesn’t mean shit to guys like me and you, but it’s a pretty big deal to Doubs generation. Media doesn’t control his social media.


Tex, do we need to explain what Instagram is ? JUST KIDDING, of course. We are facebook friends; who need anything else.....lol

[Bretsky]

and for the record I'd be facebook friends with all your assholes if anybody would befriend me :)))

[QBME]

Doubs is in a rough spot. He's in year 3 of his contract. He needs to kill it this year to get a huge extension in GB, OR kill it next year to get some big $$$ in free agency.

But he's our 3rd best WR now. And I don't think Gute is chasing him down to offer big $$ anytime soon.

I think you can build a long term , crazy great passing offense around Reed and Wicks and use draft picks to fill the surrounding voids.

Maybe they keep Watson on the cheaps because he's always hurt. But Romeo probably wants a much greater role

Great take.
The double edged sword of drafting several players being great at their position, with a player that can make them look spectacular.
Salary Cap is a bitch.
First world NFL problems.

[QBME]

Great take.
The double edged sword of drafting several players being great at their position, with a player that can make them look spectacular.
Salary Cap is a bitch.
First world NFL problems.

Well, shit.
When I log on I go from oldest to newest posts. I should read them all before opening my digital yap.

[Fritz]

I say again, it's STUPID to believe know-nothing media troublemakers about this Doubs situation (or much of anything else).

Well, I must say that we really probably do not know the whole story.

[Joemailman]

The fact that he's been suspended by the team would seem to confirm Huber's story, even if we don't know all the details. This is not surprising. Huber is an excellent Packers beat writer. He's not just somebody with a Twitter account.

[MadtownPacker]

and for the record I'd be facebook friends with all your assholes if anybody would befriend me :)))I think you missed that chance last decade B you ancient fuk! :lol: Nowadays Tex and you need to get on tiktok to trade your naked selfies.

[MadtownPacker]

The fact that he's been suspended by the team would seem to confirm Huber's story, even if we don't know all the details. This is not surprising. Huber is an excellent Packers beat writer. He's not just somebody with a Twitter account.
It has to be with him wanting numbers to get his big payday which? Sadly he just helped make the decision on which of all our great WRs to keep. This is all the fault of Bretsky and that WR poll.

[call_me_ishmael]

Doubs is in a rough spot. He's in year 3 of his contract. He needs to kill it this year to get a huge extension in GB, OR kill it next year to get some big $$$ in free agency.

But he's our 3rd best WR now. And I don't think Gute is chasing him down to offer big $$ anytime soon.

I think you can build a long term , crazy great passing offense around Reed and Wicks and use draft picks to fill the surrounding voids.

Maybe they keep Watson on the cheaps because he's always hurt. But Romeo probably wants a much greater role

I think that's exactly right. I think Doubs was hoping to get an extension this year (do they typically do it with one year left, or in the last year?) and has some sour grapes about it. Javon Walker junior.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, it looks like even blind squirrels and fake news media get an acorn of correctness once in a while hahahahaha.

I still think Doubs will be back. He'd have to be pretty dumb to throw away his career. I don't think he is.

As for damned social media, whatever. I was just getting used to MySpace when Facebook came along. I'll consider getting into those other things if/when my kids and grandkids do.

[ThunderDan]

I think that's exactly right. I think Doubs was hoping to get an extension this year (do they typically do it with one year left, or in the last year?) and has some sour grapes about it. Javon Walker junior.

I think it has to be after this year for an extension on rookie contracts.

[Fritz]

Well, it looks like even blind squirrels and fake news media get an acorn of correctness once in a while hahahahaha.

I still think Doubs will be back. He'd have to be pretty dumb to throw away his career. I don't think he is.

As for damned social media, whatever. I was just getting used to MySpace when Facebook came along. I'll consider getting into those other things if/when my kids and grandkids do.

Tex is gonna be a tiktok sensation. I can see it happening.

[bobblehead]

Doubs sees himself different than most. I always called him a poor mans Michael Thomas. He has skills and will get paid. GMs recognize that. If he visions himself as a total alpha top 10 WR and wants to be paid as such he was always going to be disappointed. He just isn't. I am not convinced he can be a #1 on a good team. Just look around the league at all the WR talent. I don't think he can EVER ascend to top 30.

[King Friday]

I agree Bobble. He’s a good receiver, but not a great one. There are a dozen good receivers coming out of college every year. This situation to me speaks to having an agent that is more concerned with their interests than with their client’s interests.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex is gonna be a tiktok sensation. I can see it happening.

No way in hell my kids or grandkids get into tiktok for reasons I don't dare discuss in this end of the forum.

A video of me playing tennis at age 77 would be pretty sensational, though.

[texaspackerbacker]

I agree, Doubs is definitely a keeper, but not absolutely essential to team success. He has a helluva lot more to lose if he gets stubbornly stupid and ruins his career than what the Packers would lose.