Jets Fire Saleh

[Joemailman]

The New York Jets have fired coach Robert Saleh after starting the season 2-3, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Saleh, who was hired by the Jets in 2021, has a 20-36 record as the team's head coach.

Saleh's firing marks the first time in owner Woody Johnson's 25-year tenure that he has fired a coach in the middle of the season.

The Jets entered the 2024 season with high expectations, with quarterback Aaron Rodgers returning from an Achilles injury that had derailed his 2023 season after just four plays, but they have struggled on offense.



He's probably better off. Will Hackett be the interim HC? I doubt it.

[King Friday]

Their former DC is supposedly the new interim.

So glad that Rodgers is gone.

[run pMc]

Madness. There are a lot of problems with the Jets but I'm not sure Saleh is one of them. Not one of the biggest problems, anyway.
I want to say that he should absolutely come to GB as an "analyst" for Hafley, although I think it's unlikely since that might make Hafley look over his shoulder and make things weird with the coaching staff. Dude is a very good defensive mind at a minimum and he will get several interviews to be a DC next year if he wants them.

Firing the coach when you're essentially one game out of first and facing the leader (Bills) next is a weird look. I suppose they have the bye to transition and prep, but still... feels like an overreaction. I'd fire Hackett before firing Saleh. The defense is usually not the problem with this team.

[run pMc]

So the story is Saleh is going to regroup and take a vacation with his family and get ready for 2025 DC interviews. He's still getting paid by Woody Johnson, so there's no rush to get back into coaching.
Plus, he probably needs to take a long mental break after dealing with Rodgers lol

[KYPack]

The next logical step is to make Jets owner Woody Johnson run naked down 42nd street while New Yorkers throw rotting vegetables at him.

He's the architect of all this goofy bullshit.

[George Cumby]

Kaaron Rodgers. Coach killer.

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wow

his D wasn't the one losing the games

i'm pretty sure rodgers, hackett, cobb, lazard and delvin cook were all forced on him

i'd sign him up in a second to be our DC even if our current one doesn't need replacing

[ThunderDan]

Just shocking news to me.

If I am a coach I am not going to the Jets without a huge number and an additional buyout of the contract if I get terminated early.

[Fritz]

Madness. There are a lot of problems with the Jets but I'm not sure Saleh is one of them. Not one of the biggest problems, anyway.
I want to say that he should absolutely come to GB as an "analyst" for Hafley, although I think it's unlikely since that might make Hafley look over his shoulder and make things weird with the coaching staff. Dude is a very good defensive mind at a minimum and he will get several interviews to be a DC next year if he wants them.

Firing the coach when you're essentially one game out of first and facing the leader (Bills) next is a weird look. I suppose they have the bye to transition and prep, but still... feels like an overreaction. I'd fire Hackett before firing Saleh. The defense is usually not the problem with this team.

Well, they're stuck with Rodgers, which means they're stuck with Hackett, most likely. And stuck with Lazard and his contract. So you fire the one guy you can fire.

It's inadvertently an admission that the Aaron Rodgers experiment has gone off the rails.

[Fosco33]

Some rumors he had a flag on that Jets didn’t agree with too. Timing and walking him out w/ security are pretty weird imo

[Joemailman]

Reports are that Saleh was considering firing Hackett. Instead Saleh got fired. I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'...

[Fosco33]

Reports are that Saleh was considering firing Hackett. Instead Saleh got fired. I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'...

Didn’t seem like ARodg played GM on this one based on Woody’s comments today.

[Fritz]

Some rumors he had a flag on that Jets didn’t agree with too. Timing and walking him out w/ security are pretty weird imo

Had a flag on? What do you mean?

Hard to believe Rodgers had no influence here if the head coach is canned but the offensive coordinator overseeing the shitshow that is the Jets’ offense keeps his job….

[Joemailman]

Had a flag on? What do you mean?

Hard to believe Rodgers had no influence here if the head coach is canned but the offensive coordinator overseeing the shitshow that is the Jets’ offense keeps his job….

He is of Lebanese origin. He would sometimes wear a Lebanese flag patch on his sleeve. Other coaches have done the same thing. The NFL encourages it.

As we continue to prioritize the NFL's growth globally, we're proud to have our players and coaches honor their backgrounds through the NFL Heritage Program. This initiative allows us to celebrate the heritage, families and cultures that make up the fabric of the League, and truly showcases the growing global reach and impact of the sport of football and the NFL.

Other players and coaches who have taken part in the wearing of a sticker or patch include former head coach Bill Belichick (Croatia), quarterback Kyler Murray (South Korea), tight end Dalton Kincaid (Canada), wide receiver DJ Moore (Jamaica), wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown (Germany) and Giants head coach Brian Daboll (Canada).

[QBME]

Oops, sorry.
Just rushing through the threads and thought this was a "Fire Saleh" thread, as maybe the Packers had hired him.
My bad.

[bobblehead]

A shame that our timing never lines up with elite DCs being available. I would say that unless Halfwits D really comes on as they get used to the scheme I would replace him with Saleh in a heartbeat. If you're not improving you're getting worse and Saleh as a DC is an improvement over almost anyone.

[MadtownPacker]

Hell yes Rodgers eyerolled him out of town! He has fired more coaches than he has won SBs. AaaRon was probably still mad from when Saleh’s defenses would beat him down while with the Packers.

The only concern with this is if SF rehires him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

He is of Lebanese origin. He would sometimes wear a Lebanese flag patch on his sleeve. Other coaches have done the same thing. The NFL encourages it.

As we continue to prioritize the NFL's growth globally, we're proud to have our players and coaches honor their backgrounds through the NFL Heritage Program. This initiative allows us to celebrate the heritage, families and cultures that make up the fabric of the League, and truly showcases the growing global reach and impact of the sport of football and the NFL.

Other players and coaches who have taken part in the wearing of a sticker or patch include former head coach Bill Belichick (Croatia), quarterback Kyler Murray (South Korea), tight end Dalton Kincaid (Canada), wide receiver DJ Moore (Jamaica), wide receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown (Germany) and Giants head coach Brian Daboll (Canada).

Wait, Kyler Murray is Korean?

What’s next, Josh Jacobs is Filipino and Jordan Love is French?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

A shame that our timing never lines up with elite DCs being available. I would say that unless Halfwits D really comes on as they get used to the scheme I would replace him with Saleh in a heartbeat. If you're not improving you're getting worse and Saleh as a DC is an improvement over almost anyone.

With titanic TV contracts, the Packers certainly can afford to terminate Hafley prematurely. But would it be financially sound to terminate an assistant a year after you paid him a pretty penny to leave a head coaching gig at a Power 5 school?

I’d rather cut Cletidus Clark. And besides, nepotism typically produces pretty shitty results in the NFL. Just ask J-Mac.

[Fritz]

It just makes zero sense on its face. The defense was playing pretty well. The offense, outside the NE game, was sputtering and lurching, thanks to what most NFL observers see as a simplistic offense designed so Rodgers can run his last second mumbo jumbo hand gestures, foot flicks and subtle nods to cue the offense to the adjustments his brilliant mind wanted them to make. Hackett has zero credibility, has produced shit results, yet the interim coach assured everyone no offensive coach is being demoted or fired.

When Saleh drew Rodgers’s ire and Saleh had to backtrack (“oh no, there’s no controversy between us, no no no”), he was showing us all the power dynamic in New York. He was a lame duck, serving at Rodgers’s whim. And since Rodgers can’t really take responsibility or admit he’s wrong, then someone had to pay for the offense’s lethargic play.

Now I hope they trade for Davante Adams, give up too much for him, and still suck.

[NewsBruin]

Wait, Kyler Murray is Korean?

What’s next, Josh Jacobs is Filipino and Jordan Love is French?

Zhordan d'Amour.

[red]

yup, aaron had nothing to do with it at all

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3527634/only-the-jets-newest-report-says-robert-saleh-was-fired-5-minutes-after-he-demoted-nathaniel-hackett-from-calling-plays

for those too lazy

Saleh was fired literally 5 minutes after taking play calling duties away from hackett

[Joemailman]

We don't know if Rodgers had anything to do with it. It's not like the Jets weren't a dysfunctional organization before they signed Rodgers.

[red]

who the hell would ever be dumb enough to take a job there?

owner sounds like a complete douche

[Joemailman]

who the hell would ever be dumb enough to take a job there?

owner sounds like a complete douche

He is. They are probably going to have to hire a coach before they know if Rodgers is going to play another year. Will they be telling coaching candidates that they have to keep Hackett as OC? It is a mess.

[run pMc]

Wait, Kyler Murray is Korean?

What’s next, Josh Jacobs is Filipino and Jordan Love is French?

Jacobs's grandmother is Filipino, I believe. You funny.

[run pMc]

We don't know if Rodgers had anything to do with it. It's not like the Jets weren't a dysfunctional organization before they signed Rodgers.

Maybe, maybe not. Nobody is going to publicly say it.
I highly doubt they would fire the coach without running it past Rodgers.

Making that assumption, one can easily jump to the conclusion that if Hackett's job was on the line and Rodgers had to pick a side that he'd go with his buddy.
The chemistry with Rodgers and Saleh was a little weird anyway.

Saleh was 20-36 which is worse than many of the Jets coaches: Mangini, etc. (he looked pretty good compared to Adam Gase.) but I think he was hampered by the Zach Wilson era. Falls into the meh HC, good DC. He'll probably get another shot at HC in a few years if he plays things right, and with luck does better. You really need a good QB to succeed, and I'm not sure Rodgers is that anymore...certainly not with Hackett running a what some are calling a variation of a McCarthy offense.

That whole scene is a mess, from the owner down.

[Fosco33]

yup, aaron had nothing to do with it at all

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3527634/only-the-jets-newest-report-says-robert-saleh-was-fired-5-minutes-after-he-demoted-nathaniel-hackett-from-calling-plays

for those too lazy

Saleh was fired literally 5 minutes after taking play calling duties away from hackett

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41702325/aaron-rodgers-resents-rumors-had-hand-robert-saleh-firing

[Joemailman]

My very uninformed take: Woody Johnson was really the driving force behind the Jets trading for Rodgers. He knows Rodgers wants Hackett here. He wants Rodgers back next year. So when he learned that Saleh was considering dumping Hackett, (or reducing Hackett's role) he chose Hackett or Saleh. He didn't need to talk to Rodgers about it.

[red]

My very uninformed take: Woody Johnson was really the driving force behind the Jets trading for Rodgers. He knows Rodgers wants Hackett here. He wants Rodgers back next year. So when he learned that Saleh was considering dumping Hackett, (or reducing Hackett's role) he chose Hackett or Saleh. He didn't need to talk to Rodgers about it.

seems very reasonable

[red]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41702325/aaron-rodgers-resents-rumors-had-hand-robert-saleh-firing

i'm at a point where i will never believe a word that comes out of that dickheads mouth

he's proven to be untrustworthy and very good at looking right into the camera and lying

[Fosco33]

i'm at a point where i will never believe a word that comes out of that dickheads mouth

he's proven to be untrustworthy and very good at looking right into the camera and lying

He’s no saint. After Favre I decided to never idolize these guys. Case in point when I met Majik man at bar a few weeks ago. He’s just a flawed and broken human.

Me / I like Aaron. I like his life philosophy and his approach to the game. He’s a prick of a son/friend and likely has some mental health issues but he’s got a high Iq/Eq.

I just don’t understand the disdain. Favre played the I’m retired/not for 3 years, flew back to GB and forced his way to NY and the MN to stick it to GB. Rodgers did it way faster and way above board.

[Bretsky]

We don't know if Rodgers had anything to do with it. It's not like the Jets weren't a dysfunctional organization before they signed Rodgers.

Ok Tex

[Bretsky]

Sharon Shitbag; glad he's gone

[red]

sad really is, if karen hadn't blown out her achilles last season, the jets would have imploded last season. saleh would have been fired last year and we probably would have hired him in a heartbeat to be our new DC

and we would have gotten a first round pick instead of a second

[bobblehead]

sad really is, if karen hadn't blown out her achilles last season, the jets would have imploded last season. saleh would have been fired last year and we probably would have hired him in a heartbeat to be our new DC

and we would have gotten a first round pick instead of a second

And this is the only thing I care about. How did it all affect my team. The jets were a mess long before Erin. They are a mess with Erin. They will be a mess when he is gone. He's ok for a non packer and I don't hate on him like most around here, but I don't miss him either. He was on the wrong side of father time and I'm glad we got some capital for him.

[sharpe1027]

And this is the only thing I care about. How did it all affect my team. The jets were a mess long before Erin. They are a mess with Erin. They will be a mess when he is gone. He's ok for a non packer and I don't hate on him like most around here, but I don't miss him either. He was on the wrong side of father time and I'm glad we got some capital for him.

Most don't hate him. They don't worship him and put the Packers first. No where near the same as hate.

[bobblehead]

Most don't hate him. They don't worship him and put the Packers first. No where near the same as hate.

We should do a poll. I think its around 50/50. I think he gets a worse rap than he deserves from many. I can pinpoint when/where/why the narrative began that he was a selfish prick. I can't agree or disagree. He is likely sort of a selfish prick, but so are most of them. How about the stunt Jaire pulled, or Doubs. As you said, Packers first. I've advocated for trading Jaire, and now Doubs. They aren't for the team. Thats ok when your play is great and you aren't HARMING the team, but when you cross that line I think culture REALLY matters.

Rodgers at this point is old and not "part" of the team. He isn't relating to most of the young guys (he has this funny notion that they should be held accountable and learn the game). Next thing you know he is going to do something totally unprecedented and demand his own lockers separate from the main locker room. I didn't mind Rodgers and his foibles when he was winning MVPs. But for me the day I turned on him was when he didn't try to run for the TD on 2nd or 3rd down against TB with the Owl on the line, then he whined we kicked the FG (as did most of the Rodgers loving fans who were all on board when he was winning MVPs). I realized right then that he valued self preservation more than he valued a Lombardi Trophy. I was ready to move on.

[texaspackerbacker]

Ok Tex

Why mention me? I really don't give a shit one way or the other about Saleh or his firing.

As for Rodgers, and Favre too, they gave all of us combined 30 or so excellent years. Anything beyond that is irrelevant. I'd expect certain ingrates/dumbasses in here to whine about either or both because they're that disloyal and/or stupid about various other things too.

[MadtownPacker]

Hahaha! That got you huh Tex?

I think we should all start telling each other “Ok Tex” when we don’t agree with something. :lol:

[Patler]

As for Rodgers, and Favre too, they gave all of us combined 30 or so excellent years. Anything beyond that is irrelevant. I'd expect certain ingrates/dumbasses in here to whine about either or both because they're that disloyal and/or stupid about various other things too.

I've never understood why it is "disloyal", "stupid" or any other negative quality to recognize that an athlete, who may have been exceptional at his craft, has many negative qualities as a person. Sorry, no athlete gets a free pass from me for abhorrent behavior just because he may have been one of the best ever to suit up for my team.

A jerk is a jerk, even if he is a HoF'er for my favorite team.

[MadtownPacker]

You have to understand Patler that deep down inside Tex is really a thug. Had he been born a Mexican he for sure would be cartel. For example, I could definitely see him ordering Rastak’s head be chainsawed off. “Disloyalty” is one of his favorite words to use. It’s pretty much gang rule #1, follow blindly no matter what.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahaha Si, Senor, that's me, especially the Rastak thing.

All I said about Rodgers and Favre is that they brought me/all of us over 30 years of excellence on the football field. LOYALTY is recognizing that. Disloyalty is subordinating the winning football to the silly shit. The various varieties of alleged shit to me at least are meaningless compared to the joy I/we got from all that winning football. And talk of "abhorrent behavior"? I get threatened routinely for even a hint of you know what kind of posting. This shit about "abhorrent behavior" doesn't belong in the football side of the forum any more than the stuff you often threaten me about.

[Joemailman]

So is Hackett basically a quality control coach now?

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- On his second full day on the job, New York Jets interim coach Jeff Ulbrich made a major shake-up on his coaching staff, stripping the playcalling responsibilities from embattled offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.

The move, announced by Ulbrich on Thursday, has an added layer of significance because Hackett is an Aaron Rodgers confidant. One of the main reasons why Rodgers wanted to be traded to the Jets last year was his close relationship with Hackett.

The new playcaller is Todd Downing, a former Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator who coaches the quarterbacks and holds the title of passing game coordinator. He will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game," Ulbrich said.

"This is more a byproduct of a different take on things," he said, explaining his rationale. "I'm not saying it's a better or worse take on things by any means, but just a different take on things, a fresh approach."

Hackett will remain on the staff in an undisclosed role. Ulbrich said no titles will change, only roles, and also announced that he will remain the defensive coordinator and will continue to call plays. He hopes to be involved in the offense in time, looking to "infuse my personality" into that unit.

[Sparkey]

It is possible Hackett is good at preparing a game plan while also being shitty at executing the plan on a play by play basis...

[sharpe1027]

It is possible Hackett is good at preparing a game plan while also being shitty at executing the plan on a play by play basis...

It is also possible he has Rodgers' endorsement and otherwise just sucks.

[bobblehead]

It is also possible he has Rodgers' endorsement and otherwise just sucks.

MiLF was the one who hired a guy who had proven his incompetence in the league. The fact that Denver then gave him the top job hoping to trade for Rodgers and then the Jets gave him a sweet gig for the same reason tells me GMs aren't very smart. Rodgers endorsement effectively meant "he listens to what I tell him to do" and he won 2 MVPs that way. The lesson here should be to let Rodgers design the offense and be the on field coach because it works really well when he does that.

[Fritz]

So is Hackett basically a quality control coach now?

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- On his second full day on the job, New York Jets interim coach Jeff Ulbrich made a major shake-up on his coaching staff, stripping the playcalling responsibilities from embattled offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett.

The move, announced by Ulbrich on Thursday, has an added layer of significance because Hackett is an Aaron Rodgers confidant. One of the main reasons why Rodgers wanted to be traded to the Jets last year was his close relationship with Hackett.

The new playcaller is Todd Downing, a former Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator who coaches the quarterbacks and holds the title of passing game coordinator. He will have "the full say on the game plan and, ultimately, the plays that are called within the game," Ulbrich said.

"This is more a byproduct of a different take on things," he said, explaining his rationale. "I'm not saying it's a better or worse take on things by any means, but just a different take on things, a fresh approach."

Hackett will remain on the staff in an undisclosed role. Ulbrich said no titles will change, only roles, and also announced that he will remain the defensive coordinator and will continue to call plays. He hopes to be involved in the offense in time, looking to "infuse my personality" into that unit.


Well, that blows apart my speculation that Rodgers had something to do with Saleh's firing in order to protect Hackett.

Oops. My bad.

so why DID they fire Saleh, then? Wasn't he about to do pretty much the same thing? Did the players stop listening? Hmmm.