More Banjo - Packers vs. Cardinals

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love - 22/32, 258 yards, 4 TD's, 1 fluke INT

Josh Jacobs - 90 total yards

Christian Watson - 3 catches, 68 yards, 1 TD

Romeo Doubs - 3 catches, 49 yards, 2 TD's

Fumble recoveries by Kenny Clark, Jaire Alexander and Karl Brooks.

Packers with 179 rushing yards to 89 for Cardinals.

Packers 8-13 on 3rd and 4th down.

[Fritz]

Turd Narveson 2 - 3. Can he be salvaged or are we just waiting until Alex Hale understands American Football?

Looks like it was a case of Arizona playing badly - but how much was GB responsible for that?

I see lots of people saying AZ is a pretty meh football team, but they are coming off a win over the Sixty-Niners.

I did not get to see the game - went pheasant h unting - so I will wait until I read three random things about the game before I offer my expert opinion.

[Joemailman]

Turd Narveson 2 - 3. Can he be salvaged or are we just waiting until Alex Hale understands American Football?

Looks like it was a case of Arizona playing badly - but how much was GB responsible for that?

I see lots of people saying AZ is a pretty meh football team, but they are coming off a win over the Sixty-Niners.

I did not get to see the game - went pheasant h unting - so I will wait until I read three random things about the game before I offer my expert opinion.

Cardinals have been very up and down. Beat the 49ers and blew out the Rams. Lost big to Packers and Commanders. They really hurt themselves with penalties today. Packers played a pretty clean game.

[Patler]

Good day for the O-line

Rushing - 38 carries for 179 yards, 4.7/carry
Passing - No QB sacks.

Pretty solid performance.

[Joemailman]

Packers with 0 sacks, 1 QB hit, but held Murray to 14 yards rushing. Murray had been averaging about 50 rushing yards per game. The containment strategy worked pretty well.

[ThunderDan]

O was solid.

They had 11 drives during the game.
They scored on 6 and had 1 missed FG.
They had one INT where Melton slipped.
They had one 5 plat drive that led to our only punt.
They had one drive that was a kickoff return to end the half.
The last drive was 10 plays for 61 yards in 5:30 and ran out the game.

[ThunderDan]

Evan Williams made big play after play.

Cooper and Bullard looking like key pieces for the D moving forward.

[MadtownPacker]

O was solid.

They had 11 drives during the game.
They scored on 6 and had 1 missed FG.
They had one INT where Melton slipped.
They had one 5 plat drive that led to our only punt.
They had one drive that was a kickoff return to end the half.
The last drive was 10 plays for 61 yards in 5:30 and ran out the game.
It was a total domination other than the tipped pass. TOP was 36.35 to 23.35 and it showed. Felt like Packers O was always on the field.

Only sad thing was no McKinney INT.

[red]

Good day for the O-line

Rushing - 38 carries for 179 yards, 4.7/carry
Passing - No QB sacks.

Pretty solid performance.

so was jordan morgan playing the whole game at RG or were they doing a rotation?

[bobblehead]

so was jordan morgan playing the whole game at RG or were they doing a rotation?

I had a bigger crowd than normal at the house and didn't watch much direct OL play like usual, but when I saw rhyan at LG i wondered the same. Regardless it tells me Morgan is the future at RG.

[ThunderDan]

so was jordan morgan playing the whole game at RG or were they doing a rotation?

There was so,e rotation going on at the beginning. Snap counts aren’t out yet to see for sure. Morgan played a lot of the game.

[sharpe1027]

so was jordan morgan playing the whole game at RG or were they doing a rotation?

I don't know about rotation. He came in when Meyers got hurt.

[red]

I don't know about rotation. He came in when Meyers got hurt.

is that when it happened?

i know he was in for doubs first TD cause i saw him in on the celebration. thats when i first noticed he was in

[ThunderDan]

I don't know about rotation. He came in when Meyers got hurt.

Morgan played at least half the snaps if not 75%.

Rhyan actually came in when Meyers went down. Morgan was playing RG at the time.

[sharpe1027]

is that when it happened?

i know he was in for doubs first TD cause i saw him in on the celebration. thats when i first noticed he was in

It's what the announcers said. It sounds like they were wrong.

[Joemailman]

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[Joemailman]

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[CaptainKickass]

Karl Brooks keeps improving.

He's no second coming of the messiah or anything but Ben Sims surprised me.

"It's usually pretty frustrating, if the guy's baking a pizza back there and has a long time to throw." -LaFleur

The Packers became the first Green Bay defense to post multiple takeaways in each of its first six games since the 1996 squad that won Super Bowl XXXI.

The "identity" of the defense is "takeaways".

In a couple rare moments, the officiating favored the Packers.

[ThunderDan]

Morgan played at least half the snaps if not 75%.

Rhyan actually came in when Meyers went down. Morgan was playing RG at the time.

Morgan played 52% of the snaps. 38 of 73. Rhyan played 40 of 73 for 55%.

[Teamcheez1]

The Packers are almost an afterthought in the NFC this morning.
Sports talk is falling all over themselves talking about the Lions, Bears, and Vikings.
I want the Packers to keep that chip on their shoulder.
We still have a lot of room for improvement.

[Fritz]

Karl Brooks keeps improving.

He's no second coming of the messiah or anything but Ben Sims surprised me.

"It's usually pretty frustrating, if the guy's baking a pizza back there and has a long time to throw." -LaFleur

The Packers became the first Green Bay defense to post multiple takeaways in each of its first six games since the 1996 squad that won Super Bowl XXXI.

The "identity" of the defense is "takeaways".

In a couple rare moments, the officiating favored the Packers.

Is the tandem of Karl Brooks and Devonte Wyatt the inside-rusher package the Packers will need on obvious passing downs?

How will Evan Williams's ascendance play out for the playing time and positions of Javon Bullard and Kesean Nixon? Did Nixon play better yesterday because he's seeing the potential for his playing time to be reduced?

I think Ben Sims is just a solid all-around player.

I am concerned about what will happen when the defense goes through a dry spell of no turnovers. Happens to most every defense at some point.

The Packers must be scraping the bottom-of-the-available-kickers barrel at this point, and finding that none are better than Narveson, which means it's the very bottom of the barrel. That's a sad commentary. Turd Narveson has already had more second chances with the Packers than some kickers get in a career.

Finally, the national sports media can't hide their boner for the Lions - but losing Hutchinson is a huge, huge blow.

[Joemailman]

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[Joemailman]

Cooper up to 66% of snaps. McDuffie down to 45%.

[bobblehead]

Cooper up to 66% of snaps. McDuffie down to 45%.

I think Quay needs to surrender some snaps. It might get his head in the film game a little bit. He seems to be lost quite often relying on superior athleticism to try and compensate.

[Joemailman]

I think Quay needs to surrender some snaps. It might get his head in the film game a little bit. He seems to be lost quite often relying on superior athleticism to try and compensate.

I read that there a few plays yesterday where Cooper lined up at Mike with Quay at Will. Wonder if we'll see more of that, even though it would seem Cooper might be a bit light for Mike.

[SudsMcBucky]

I read that there a few plays yesterday where Cooper lined up at Mike with Quay at Will. Wonder if we'll see more of that, even though it would seem Cooper might be a bit light for Mike.

this was the argument I made about 2 weeks or so ago.

[Joemailman]

PFF Top, worst grades.

Top 5 offense

1. RT Zach Tom: 88.1
2. TE Ben Sims: 83.8
3. RB Josh Jacobs: 74.2
4. QB Jordan Love: 72.1
5. RB Emanuel Wilson: 72.0

Tom didn’t give up a pressure over 36 pass-blocking snaps and earned an elite run blocking grade. Sims was also elite as a run blocker, and he caught two passes for 38 yards, including a 28-yarder. Jacobs forced four missed tackles as a runner, had a 10-yard run and caught all three targets for 28 yards. Love was accurate (adjusted completion percentage of almost 76.0) and efficient, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt with four touchdown passes and zero turnover-worthy plays. Wilson forced three missed tackles, had two runs over 10 yards and had a 19-yard catch while once again handling pass pro snaps without issue.

Top 5 defense

1. S Evan Williams: 93.3
2. DL Karl Brooks: 93.0
3. DE Rashan Gary: 81.7
4. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 81.0
5. CB Jaire Alexander: 70.7

Williams forced a fumble, delivered a run stop on Kyler Murray on third down and allowed only one completion into his coverage, creating an elite grade. Brooks forced and recovered a fumble. Gary had three pressures, including a QB hit, and he earned the team’s top run defense grade. Cooper led the team with three stops, and he made six tackles without a miss. Alexander missed a tackle and was credited with giving up the lone touchdown pass, but he still earned an excellent coverage grade.

Bottom 5 offense

1. WR Malik Heath: 45.5
2. TE Tucker Kraft: 49.0
3. OL Jordan Morgan: 49.9
4. OL Elgton Jenkins: 52.1
5. LT Rasheed Walker: 53.0

Heath wasn’t targeted on five routes run, earned a below average grade on 12 run-blocking snaps and had a penalty. Kraft had only 13 receiving yards despite running 29 routes and was only OK as a blocker. Morgan gave up a pressure and was poor in the run game. Jenkins gave up a pressure and committed two penalties. Walker gave up four hurries and had a declined holding penalty.

Bottom 5 defense

1. DE Lukas Van Ness: 30.0
2. DL Kenny Clark: 44.0
3. DE Preston Smith: 44.2
4. LB Quay Walker: 49.2
5. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 51.3

Van Ness didn’t have a pressure over 17 pass-rushing snaps and struggled against the run. Clark had two pressures and a fumble recovery, but he missed two tackles and earned a low run defense grade. Smith had only one hurry and one assisted tackle over 30 snaps. Walker tackled well, but he was credited with giving up a team-high nine completions against his coverage. McDuffie missed three tackles and gave up two completions.

Special teams

Rookie Ty’Ron Hopper had two tackles and an assisted tackle. Edgerrin Cooper, Javon Bullard, Zayne Anderson and Bo Melton also had tackles covering kicks and punts. Anderson had a missed tackle and the lone penalty. Daniel Whelan’s lone punt went out of bounds at the 8-yard line. Brayden Narveson missed from 44 yards. Keisean Nixon had a 39-yard punt return setting up a touchdown, and a season-long 37-yard kickoff return.

Quarterback play

Jordan Love: 72.1

Love had a big-time throw (44-yard touchdown to Christian Watson) and zero turnover-worthy plays (interception negated by receiver slipping). He attempted only three passes over 20 yards, choosing instead to attack underneath and in intermediate areas. He was 4-of-5 passing for 81 yards and a score on passes between 10-19 yards in the air. Love completed seven passes for 112 yards and a touchdown off play-action. He was under pressure on only 11 of 36 dropbacks (30.6 percent). In addition to four touchdown passes, Love also had 13 completions gaining first downs.

Stat to know

Jordan Love wasn’t blitzed on 22 dropbacks. He completed 16 of 20 passes for 197 yards (9.9 per attempt) and three touchdown passes, and he twice scrambled for first downs. He earned an elite passing grade of 89.6 when not blitzed against the Cardinals’ shaky pass rush.

[SudsMcBucky]

I only got to watch what they showed on the Red Zone channel, but was LVN really that bad? Horrific if true.

[Joemailman]

I only got to watch what they showed on the Red Zone channel, but was LVN really that bad? Horrific if true.

He seemed to be pretty much invisible.

I know Kyler Murray only threw 5 passes 10+ yards downfield. Based on what PFF reports, it seems they attacked Quay Walker and stayed away from McKinney.

[Patler]

I only got to watch what they showed on the Red Zone channel, but was LVN really that bad? Horrific if true.

I actually watched this game as it was played, something I rarely do anymore. I thought it was very obvious that the DEs were not trying to get to the QB much at all. Repeatedly they would come up-field more steps or fewer depending on the depth of the QB drop, and then more or less just hold their ground. Clearly the design was to prevent the QB from bouncing outside. It doesn't surprise me that they had no sacks, and few pressures from the DEs. They contained him very, very well. Mission accomplished.

Kind of like downgrading receivers because they had few targeted passes for the number of routes they ran. Nobody had a lot of targets because so many each had a couple targets,

[SudsMcBucky]

I actually watched this game as it was played, something I rarely do anymore. I thought it was very obvious that the DEs were not trying to get to the QB much at all. Repeatedly they would come up-field more steps or fewer depending on the depth of the QB drop, and then more or less just hold their ground. Clearly the design was to prevent the QB from bouncing outside. It doesn't surprise me that they had no sacks, and few pressures from the DEs. They contained him very, very well. Mission accomplished.

Kind of like downgrading receivers because they had few targeted passes for the number of routes they ran. Nobody had a lot of targets because so many each had a couple targets,

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

[run pMc]

OL played well. Putting Jenkins at C when Myers was hurt and going with Rhyan/Morgan at the G's was interesting move, but also makes sense if they are in your top 6. I thought Morgan did OK platooning at RG with Rhyan, although I also think Rhyan was better. I think the penallty on Rhyan was his first this year, and generally penalties didn't kill GB this game. AZ were killing themselves with penalties - they were really good coming into the game. AZ also looked slower on the wet grass to me.

MHJ leaving the game early was a blow to the offense, but not a big one. Jaire was excited for the matchup, I thought Wilson beat him a few times but he did ok. They were doing some interesting things in the secondary - 7 players for 5 spots... with Nixon playing outside.
Bullard is very good, but Williams is a baller. Dude just has instincts. The forced fumble was nice, but the TFL on the 3rd down Kyler Murray read-option was an eye opener. I haven't seen a safety do that for GB in ... years? ever? Savage whiffs on that tackle, Owens/Ford too.

I feel like the DBs are better coached this year -- they are handing bunched formations and things like that much better. Maybe that's McKinney communicating better too.
I also feel like the DL isn't as good -- yeah, they had to mush-rush and play containment, but I'm starting to sour a bit on Rebrovich as a coach. I think Hafley is a much better DC than Barry. Low bar, I know, but i feel like this defense if sstill under Barry causes this team to be 2-4 or 3-3 at this point with his soft zones and failure to handle mobile QBs.

I know PFF didn't love Christian Watson, but I thought he had a good game receiving and run blocking. Good to have him back after an ugly ankle injury.
Doubs being back helped too. I like Wicks but I agree with others that he doesn't quite seem ready yet. He'll get there, meantime Doubs is a dude. I think he's the only one (maybe outside of Reed) who catches that YOLO lob from Love for his 2nd TD.

Underrated in this one also was the TOP, especially in the first half. They run the ball a ton -- 38 carries for about 180 yards. They were on/ahead of schedule pretty often, which helped them convert downs. Love was good in this one, he's rounding into form. The offense is in general, they are explosive, they need to keep getting more efficient.

[Fritz]

I think Quay needs to surrender some snaps. It might get his head in the film game a little bit. He seems to be lost quite often relying on superior athleticism to try and compensate.

Would moving him to Will and having Cooper play Mike allow Quay to just play? I'm curious what people think. Quay is Quay. The dude is not this:

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[run pMc]

I think both Quay and Cooper are Will type of LB's.

Cooper is just more aggressive and has better instincts. I wonder if Quay's got to unlearn some Joe Barry teachings still.

[bobblehead]

I think both Quay and Cooper are Will type of LB's.

Cooper is just more aggressive and has better instincts. I wonder if Quay's got to unlearn some Joe Barry teachings still.

Quay is bigger and stronger, but just as fast. I can't comment on Cooper's instincts yet because its just too early to say, but Quay is just much better around the LoS. Would anyone be shocked to see them mess around with him at edge next camp?