Coaches On The Hot Seat

[Joemailman]

Robert Saleh of the Jets already incinerated.

Mike McCarthy - Dallas: Cowboys 3-3 after losing 47-9 to Detroit at home. McCarthy is in the last year of his contract. In 2010 Jerry Jones fired Wade Phillips during the season following a 45-7 loss to McCarthy's Packers.

Doug Pederson - Jaguars. Jaguars are 1-5. Pederson in his 4th year, has made the playoffs once. Has a highly paid, underachieving QB. Since winning SB with Eagles in 2017, Pederson is 41-47-1.

Dennis Allen - New Orleans Saints - 2-4 after todays loss. In his 3rd season. Has not made playoffs despite being in NFL's weakest division. 18-22 overall.

Kevin Stefanski - Cleveland. 1-5 so far this year. In his 5th year, has made playoffs twice, without a playoff win. Stuck with a bad, overpaid QB, but team has been a major disappointment this year.

Brian Daboll - NY Giants - Currently 2-3. 17-21-1 in 2+ years. Since Tom Coughlin retired, Giants have not stuck with coaches very long.

[run pMc]

Agree on these.

I think Pederson could be next. He loses to NE next week, he might not make it back from London with the team.

McCarthy will get more rope, that division needs to sort out a bit. They are still in striking distance of WAS and PHI. If they fade in November and they look destined to miss the playoffs he's gone.

Stefanski might be trying to get himself fired to get out of coaching Watson. That team looks like they hate their QB. He was good before the shoulder surgery, maybe he's washed now. That's going to go down as one of the all time worsts - 3 R1 picks and a fully guaranteed quarter of a billion dollar contract. They actually have cap space to eat it, but won't unless the fans revolt. Ownership is going to force the team to play him, so who knows. Stefanski is (usually) a pretty smart offensive guy, he'll land on his feet.

Daboll is another one - smart offensive guy saddled with a meh at QB. Their OL is improved this year at the expense of losing Saquon and McKinney (thanks guys!). I think he has some rope because only the delusional really expect them to make a lot of noise, but canning him would not shock me.

I'll throw a very unlikely name out there - if they crap the bed, watch out Sean McDermott. I don't think he's all that and a bag of chips as a coach and that roster has been SB level talented for years.

I'd also throw Antonio Pierce on the list. The Raiders are a bad team.

AZ's Jonathon Gannon was feeling the heat before beating SF, he could start feeling it again.

Sirianni's seat was warming up too, but I think he'll be ok unless they implode like last year.

If Tepper fires the CAR coach he'll be paying something like 3-4 head coaches at the same time.

[Patler]

So, about 1/3 of the HCs are in danger of being fired? Sounds about right!

About 1/3 make the playoffs, and the remaining are moving towards the playoffs or being fired next year.

Then, in a couple of years the fired ones are recycled to another team.

[Fritz]

Agree on these.

I think Pederson could be next. He loses to NE next week, he might not make it back from London with the team.

McCarthy will get more rope, that division needs to sort out a bit. They are still in striking distance of WAS and PHI. If they fade in November and they look destined to miss the playoffs he's gone.

Stefanski might be trying to get himself fired to get out of coaching Watson. That team looks like they hate their QB. He was good before the shoulder surgery, maybe he's washed now. That's going to go down as one of the all time worsts - 3 R1 picks and a fully guaranteed quarter of a billion dollar contract. They actually have cap space to eat it, but won't unless the fans revolt. Ownership is going to force the team to play him, so who knows. Stefanski is (usually) a pretty smart offensive guy, he'll land on his feet.

Daboll is another one - smart offensive guy saddled with a meh at QB. Their OL is improved this year at the expense of losing Saquon and McKinney (thanks guys!). I think he has some rope because only the delusional really expect them to make a lot of noise, but canning him would not shock me.

I'll throw a very unlikely name out there - if they crap the bed, watch out Sean McDermott. I don't think he's all that and a bag of chips as a coach and that roster has been SB level talented for years.

I'd also throw Antonio Pierce on the list. The Raiders are a bad team.

AZ's Jonathon Gannon was feeling the heat before beating SF, he could start feeling it again.

Sirianni's seat was warming up too, but I think he'll be ok unless they implode like last year.

If Tepper fires the CAR coach he'll be paying something like 3-4 head coaches at the same time.

i think Sirianni could be in trouble - jawing with fans now.

I think McDermott is on the warm seat only if he sits down right after Josh Allen leaves the stall.

It'd be crazy weird if Jerruh fired MM after the Detroit beat-down. What a stupid idea to pay Dak Prescott stupid money. How's it been going the last few years, Jerruh? You sure are putting your stamp on the organization, aren't ya?

[bobblehead]

Robert Saleh of the Jets already incinerated.

Mike McCarthy - Dallas: Cowboys 3-3 after losing 47-9 to Detroit at home. McCarthy is in the last year of his contract. In 2010 Jerry Jones fired Wade Phillips during the season following a 45-7 loss to McCarthy's Packers.

Doug Pederson - Jaguars. Jaguars are 1-5. Pederson in his 4th year, has made the playoffs once. Has a highly paid, underachieving QB. Since winning SB with Eagles in 2017, Pederson is 41-47-1.

Dennis Allen - New Orleans Saints - 2-4 after todays loss. In his 3rd season. Has not made playoffs despite being in NFL's weakest division. 18-22 overall.

Kevin Stefanski - Cleveland. 1-5 so far this year. In his 5th year, has made playoffs twice, without a playoff win. Stuck with a bad, overpaid QB, but team has been a major disappointment this year.

Brian Daboll - NY Giants - Currently 2-3. 17-21-1 in 2+ years. Since Tom Coughlin retired, Giants have not stuck with coaches very long.

I think Daboll gets one more year, the others are gone. I was told it was disrespectful to fire fat mike mid season for reasons. I think Jerruh is close to doing it anyway, and I don't blame him. His real mistake was hiring the moron.

[bobblehead]

Agree on McDermott, but he will survive. Zac Taylor needs to go as well.

[Fritz]

I think Daboll gets one more year, the others are gone. I was told it was disrespectful to fire fat mike mid season for reasons. I think Jerruh is close to doing it anyway, and I don't blame him. His real mistake was hiring the moron.

But it's easier to get rid of your coach than the way, way, way overpaid QB that Jerruh way, way, way overpaid. I think that was his biggest mistake.

[RandsRevenge]

One note on Cleveland. They are struggling with a defensive coordinator who used to be a Detroilet coach who wasn't entirely terrible. For some reason, a defense of startling talents cannot play disciplined ball. I guess it's just "cowabunga" to the QB and no one cares if lanes are left open, if LBs scrape to cover a hole, if safeties help. Do people communicate at all? Maybe they just don't care given what's on the other side of the ball. Their offense is just awful. the O-line is incompetent, and they are depleted at skill positions. The QB is awful, but it's hard to tell how much is his fault. Trained in a wild, freewheeling style, asked to be a drop back QB with about 0.5 seconds to hold the ball. Well, good night. Firing the coach isn't gonna help anyone, but it might feel good for a while, like scratching a poison oak rash.

[run pMc]

Funny thing is, Jim Schwartz was considered a HC prospect last offseason because the CLE defense was very good last year.
They have regressed, but that's actually not uncommon for defenses -- they are subject to randomness like turnovers and strength of schedule. I do agree they aren't playing as well - they seem less disciplined.

And even though I think their QB is a trash person, I also think he's not very good at football this year. Stefanski's scheme isn't fitting him either which is weird. Just a bad vibe all the way around with that team.

That franchise isn't snakebitten, it's haunted.

[Fritz]

As PB Max always said, it's the factory of sadness.

As I understand it, Watson is so Fubared that they're giving him the easiest possible offense to execute - like high school stuff - because he can't process shit for some reason any more.

It's poison out there in Cleveland. Kinda like the Jest in New York. Or, at this point, the Cowboys in Dallas. Jerruh has poisoned that well, with his ridiculous signing of Prescott and his choice of HC, who will soon be fired, I imagine.

Wait . . . then they can hire Jim Schvantz in Dallas!

[texaspackerbacker]

You're saying, "May the Schwartz be with them"?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

One note on Cleveland. They are struggling with a defensive coordinator who used to be a Detroilet coach who wasn't entirely terrible. For some reason, a defense of startling talents cannot play disciplined ball. I guess it's just "cowabunga" to the QB and no one cares if lanes are left open, if LBs scrape to cover a hole, if safeties help. Do people communicate at all? Maybe they just don't care given what's on the other side of the ball. Their offense is just awful. the O-line is incompetent, and they are depleted at skill positions. The QB is awful, but it's hard to tell how much is his fault. Trained in a wild, freewheeling style, asked to be a drop back QB with about 0.5 seconds to hold the ball. Well, good night. Firing the coach isn't gonna help anyone, but it might feel good for a while, like scratching a poison oak rash.

Professor Rand?

Madtown knows shit about the 69ers. Tex, the Cowfuckers. Fritz, the Pussies of Detroit. The Kentucky, the Pussycats of Kentucky, err, Cincinnati.

I seem to recall Prof Rand knowing shit about Dog Farts (Browns).

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd welcom him back. Their is reasen to think it mihgt be him.

This is a test.

[MadtownPacker]

Professor Rand?

Madtown knows shit about the 69ers. Tex, the Cowfuckers. Fritz, the Pussies of Detroit. The Kentucky, the Pussycats of Kentucky, err, Cincinnati.

I seem to recall Prof Rand knowing shit about Dog Farts (Browns).Tank knows about fake accounts! :lol:

It’s mostly him with just the right amount of dramatic flare with the revenge part :lol:.

[MadtownPacker]

I'd welcom him back. Their is reasen to think it mihgt be him.

This is a test.
That’s some nice bait you put out there.. :lol:

[run pMc]

As PB Max always said, it's the factory of sadness.

As I understand it, Watson is so Fubared that they're giving him the easiest possible offense to execute - like high school stuff - because he can't process shit for some reason any more.

It's poison out there in Cleveland. Kinda like the Jest in New York. Or, at this point, the Cowboys in Dallas. Jerruh has poisoned that well, with his ridiculous signing of Prescott and his choice of HC, who will soon be fired, I imagine.

Wait . . . then they can hire Jim Schvantz in Dallas!

Watson had a high sack to pressure rate, this year it's really bad. I think he's staring down the rush instead of looking downfield. I also think the legal stuff plays a mental toll on him. The important QB traits between the ears are betraying him big time right now. The offense isn't designed to his strengths either, but I think everyone is kind of checked out and doesn't care at this point.

Oh yeah, there's also that shoulder surgery he had. Maybe it didn't heal right or he didn't rehab it properly? Who knows. A surgery doesn't guarantee you'll be the same afterwards.

[bobblehead]

One note on Cleveland. They are struggling with a defensive coordinator who used to be a Detroilet coach who wasn't entirely terrible. For some reason, a defense of startling talents cannot play disciplined ball. I guess it's just "cowabunga" to the QB and no one cares if lanes are left open, if LBs scrape to cover a hole, if safeties help. Do people communicate at all? Maybe they just don't care given what's on the other side of the ball. Their offense is just awful. the O-line is incompetent, and they are depleted at skill positions. The QB is awful, but it's hard to tell how much is his fault. Trained in a wild, freewheeling style, asked to be a drop back QB with about 0.5 seconds to hold the ball. Well, good night. Firing the coach isn't gonna help anyone, but it might feel good for a while, like scratching a poison oak rash.

Hmm...RandsRevenge following an Ohio team? MrAyn is that you!!

edit: I see everyone beat me to the party. I won't be convinced until CleftCrusty makes his return.

[Joemailman]

Hmm...RandsRevenge following an Ohio team? MrAyn is that you!!

edit: I see everyone beat me to the party. I won't be convinced until CleftCrusty makes his return.

I thought PB was the Cleveland fan. mraynrand too?

[MadtownPacker]

I thought PB was the Cleveland fan. mraynrand too?
Wasn’t it that PB actually liked them and Rand was ashamed of them, like his manhood.

[Fosco33]

I’m done w/ Rich as our ST guy

[Joemailman]

Saints fire Dennis Allen after 7th straight loss. ST coach Darren Rizzi has been named interim coach.

[bobblehead]

Saints fire Dennis Allen after 7th straight loss. ST coach Darren Rizzi has been named interim coach.

I almost logged in to predict that after that shit show yesterday. Allen was horrible, but he also was given the short game master in Carr to work with.

I'm kind of surprised fat mike is still employed. That has to have the shelf life of raw open oysters.

[Joemailman]

Cowboys had their bye week after losing 47-9 to the Lions. If Jerry was going to fire him during the season, I think it would have been then.

[run pMc]

Cowboys had their bye week after losing 47-9 to the Lions. If Jerry was going to fire him during the season, I think it would have been then.

Agree. There's not much to be gained by firing the HC, even when he's a lame duck on the last year of the contract. They will simply not renew it and let the players audition for camp invites.
Dallas has a lot of injuries on D, it doesn't excuse their bad offense. (Well, McCarthy as your coach might explain it.) Feels like there's some bad juju in that building. Maybe it's Jerrah.

The Saints are a mess - they have overcooked their cap to where almost every players has void years, and they are stuck with Carr at QB. Benching him for Rattler isn't an improvement.
They'll be $60M over the cap next year, with little room to manuver (because of aforementioned void years). Oh, and they just extended Kamara, who is their best player but is also a 29 year old RB with some wear and tear on him.

Olave is on his 4th concussion after the hospital ball Carr threw yesterday, and they only have 5 draft picks next year.
That team will have to have a firesale and be torn down to the studs and rebuilt. Someone probably tries to trade for Marshon Lattimore.

Point is, firing Dennis Allen barely moves the needle in fixing their issues.



Finally, Luke Getsy got canned from an OC job for the 2nd time in 10 months (first CHI, now LV). Think about that for a minute.

[Joemailman]

I think it's kind of funny that the Raiders let Jacobs get away in the offseason, trade Adams during the season and then start firing their offensive coaches. What a clown show.

[run pMc]

I think it's kind of funny that the Raiders let Jacobs get away in the offseason, trade Adams during the season and then start firing their offensive coaches. What a clown show.

Hiring Pierce was a mistake. Maybe they regret letting Bisaccia go lol
I can't think of a time when making the interim HC the HC was a good idea.

[Sparkey]

Eberflus has to be on this list.

DJ Moore walked off the field during a play yesterday when Williams was still scrambling with the ball. After the cluster of Tyrique Stevenson forgetting taunting fans and Moore walking off during a play, the team has tuned him out.

https://x.com/i/status/1853460485443670087

[RandsRevenge]

DJ Moore walked off the field during a play yesterday when Williams was still scrambling with the ball.

https://x.com/i/status/1853460485443670087

Just looking at that play in isolation, he made a move to get open, was open, and Williams - under duress - did not throw to him and eventually scrambled the other way. He limped off like he was injured, but he had stepped out anyway following through on the comeback. Not sure what to make of it. He must have returned to the game; he went 4 for 33 yards on 9 targets.

With 83 million guaranteed and a 4 year 110 extension, he's not moving.

Waldron appears to be keeping his play-calling job - for now.

[bobblehead]

I think it's kind of funny that the Raiders let Jacobs get away in the offseason, trade Adams during the season and then start firing their offensive coaches. What a clown show.

The Davis family motto. We are clown shoes.

[QBME]

Just looking at that play in isolation, he made a move to get open, was open, and Williams - under duress - did not throw to him and eventually scrambled the other way. He limped off like he was injured, but he had stepped out anyway following through on the comeback. Not sure what to make of it. He must have returned to the game; he went 4 for 33 yards on 9 targets.

With 83 million guaranteed and a 4 year 110 extension, he's not moving.

Waldron appears to be keeping his play-calling job - for now.

Heard Moore this AM on the local Bears program, interestingly that play never came up. Waldron may be in trouble but currently Bears nation is clamoring for Eberflus’ head on a silver platter.

In any case, welcome to the forum RandsRevenge.

[sharpe1027]

I think Watson's problem is he doesn't give a shit. He got his payday.

[run pMc]

re: DJ Moore, it looked like he limped to the bench on the play. Also, there's some theorizing that he stepped out of bounds during the scramble drill, which would mean he is no longer an eligible receiver.
Bears have issues, I don't think DJ Moore is among them.

[run pMc]

I think Watson's problem is he doesn't give a shit. He got his payday.

That, and all the off-field stuff has likely messed with his head to the point where he's a disaster. Tough to focus just on football when you have all that legal stuff. It's a problem of his own doing.
I don't get the sense that his teammates like playing with him either.

CLE gave up a lot in trade for him, and doubled down by making the contract fully guaranteed. That should be a cautionary tale for owners, but I doubt they will learn.

[Patler]

re: DJ Moore, ... Also, there's some theorizing that he stepped out of bounds during the scramble drill, which would mean he is no longer an eligible receiver.

No longer an eligible receiver, but still able to block, etc.

[Joemailman]

First Saleh goes. Now Jets GM Joe Douglas has been fired. Apparently he lost his leverage. Jets were 30-64 during his tenure.

[MadScientist]

Besides his terrible record, he deserved to be canned for shirking his GM duties for the last two years. Now let's see if they fire their other GM (Rodgers) in the off season.

[Joemailman]

Besides his terrible record, he deserved to be canned for shirking his GM duties for the last two years. Now let's see if they fire their other GM (Rodgers) in the off season.

I've wondered if bringing in the Aaron Rodgers Experience was really Douglas' idea. Seems like a Woody Johnson move.

[bobblehead]

Besides his terrible record, he deserved to be canned for shirking his GM duties for the last two years. Now let's see if they fire their other GM (Rodgers) in the off season.

In a best Troll ever move we could trade Love and bring Rodgers back to back up Willis and learn him.

[Joemailman]

Matt Eberflus fired.

[Teamcheez1]

Matt Eberflus fired.

They should have given him at least another year or two. I’m extremely disappointed they gave up on him so early.

[Joemailman]

They should have given him at least another year or two. I’m extremely disappointed they gave up on him so early.

Joe Barry would be a great hire for them.

[George Cumby]

They should have given him at least another year or two. I’m extremely disappointed they gave up on him so early.

Agreed. They were juuuuuuuuust about to turn the corner......

/s

[MadtownPacker]

They should have given him at least another year or two. I’m extremely disappointed they gave up on him so early.
True. He didn’t even get a chance to ruin Caleb Williams.

[ThunderDan]

Matt Eberflus fired.

Completely deserved after he defended how the end of the game played out.

[Fritz]

Completely deserved after he defended how the end of the game played out.

I was flabbergasted how badly da Bears botched the end of that game. They were within game-tying field goal range AND had a timeout and about 30 seconds - if I recall correctly. So of course the two MOST important rules are 1., don’t get pushed out of field goal range, and 2., don’t let the clock run out before you score, whether FG or TD. Yet da Bears managed both. A high school coach would get fired for the clusterfuck that was the Bears’ end-of-game click mismanagement.

[Vincenzo]

I was flabbergasted how badly da Bears botched the end of that game. They were within game-tying field goal range AND had a timeout and about 30 seconds - if I recall correctly. So of course the two MOST important rules are 1., don’t get pushed out of field goal range, and 2., don’t let the clock run out before you score, whether FG or TD. Yet da Bears managed both. A high school coach would get fired for the clusterfuck that was the Bears’ end-of-game click mismanagement.
The only thing is that I’m not so sure the field goal was doable, you’d have to check the yard line on that last play, but from what I recall, it was a super long field goal. I’d be willing to bet it was close to 60 yards.

So I checked for your fyi, the line of scrimmage with 18 seconds left was from the 41 making the Field goal a 56 yarder.
If you could watch the end again, Bears QB, Caleb Williams is even more to blame for the botched game ending.

[Fritz]

The only thing is that I’m not so sure the field goal was doable, you’d have to check the yard line on that last play, but from what I recall, it was a super long field goal. I’d be willing to bet it was close to 60 yards.

So I checked for your fyi, the line of scrimmage with 18 seconds left was from the 41 making the Field goal a 56 yarder.
If you could watch the end again, Bears QB, Caleb Williams is even more to blame for the botched game ending.

Yes, that’s so, but prior to that scenario they were down around the Lions’ 25 or so. That’s the moment to which I’m referring. They could’ve tried to get closer for the tying FG, or taken a shot to the end zone - with a TO, the whole field was available - but instead Williams took a sack, and da Bears lost their cool.

Eberflus biffed that whole thing.

[ThunderDan]

Yes, that’s so, but prior to that scenario they were down around the Lions’ 25 or so. That’s the moment to which I’m referring. They could’ve tried to get closer for the tying FG, or taken a shot to the end zone - with a TO, the whole field was available - but instead Williams took a sack, and da Bears lost their cool.

Eberflus biffed that whole thing.

How Eberflus didn’t go up to Caleb and say, “whatever you do, you cannot take a sack.” Once they were in FG range is crazy.

Almost as crazy as having 10.2 seconds in the pocket the week before in OT and taking a sack.

[Vincenzo]

Yes, that’s so, but prior to that scenario they were down around the Lions’ 25 or so. That’s the moment to which I’m referring. They could’ve tried to get closer for the tying FG, or taken a shot to the end zone - with a TO, the whole field was available - but instead Williams took a sack, and da Bears lost their cool.

Eberflus biffed that whole thing.
No doubt about Eberflus botching the finish, but if you watch the final minute again you’ll see penalties against the Bears played a big part as the clock was winding down.
I think it was the way the clock expired that sealed the Bears head coaches fate - it was the straw that broke the camel’s back for him.
Doubtful he ever gets a head coaching job in the future.

[Joemailman]

How Eberflus didn’t go up to Caleb and say, “whatever you do, you cannot take a sack.” Once they were in FG range is crazy.

Almost as crazy as having 10.2 seconds in the pocket the week before in OT and taking a sack.

I didn't see the Bears game. How long did Williams hold the ball before getting sacked?

[ThunderDan]

I didn't see the Bears game. How long did Williams hold the ball before getting sacked?

It was the Vikings game the week before. Bears score 10 points in the last 90 seconds. Win the toss and I was sure they were going to win.

First play from scrimmage, Williams has 10.2 seconds in the pocket and takes a sack. Next play is a false start or delay of game and I knew the Vikings would win.

[ThunderDan]

I didn't see the Bears game. How long did Williams hold the ball before getting sacked?

It was a pretty quick sack against the Lions but he just has to throw that over a WRs head out of bounds.

[Fritz]

I didn't see the Bears game. How long did Williams hold the ball before getting sacked?

Longer than I held my balls as a six-year-old boy who has just discovered them.

[QBME]

Longer than I held my balls as a six-year-old boy who has just discovered them.

You never cease to amaze.������

[run pMc]

Flus' clock management at the end of that Bears-Lions game was atrocious.
Agree Caleb has to NOT take a sack there. It was 2nd and 20 from the 35. Even after the sack, you either have to call the TO right away, or get a very quick call in. If they can throw a quick pass to get 6-8 yards they can call the TO and kick it. Instead they took their time getting a play in and lined up - they snapped the ball with 6 seconds left which I couldn't believe. Absolutely burned a lot of time there, didn't have enough after a 5 step drop and deep throw. Even if it's complete they would've run out of time

Just terrible. Everyone knew he was a dead man walking, that was too much.
The Vikings loss, the Commanders loss, the Packers loss - all these BAD end of game losses are just damning.

I do think he's a good defensive coach and after a year or two will get back onto somebody's staff as a defensive coach or maybe even a DC, but he's absolutely not HC material.

[Joemailman]

Jerrod Mayo fired after one (4-13) season.

[Joemailman]

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England
Dallas (M3 contract expires 1/14).

[RandsRevenge]

who is gonna win the Ben Johnson sweepstakes. Jerry versus Kraft could be interesting tho Ben may like Chicago better...

[Joemailman]

who is gonna win the Ben Johnson sweepstakes. Jerry versus Kraft could be interesting tho Ben may like Chicago better...

Might depend on what Ben thinks of Caleb Williams. I've heard talk of Jax being in the mix too.

[Joemailman]

Jaguars have fired Doug Pederson.

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England
Dallas (M3 contract expires 1/14)
Jacksonville

Giants are keeping Brian Daboll.

[Joemailman]

Dianna Russini
@DMRussini

The New York Jets are not expected to put in a formal request for Lions OC Ben Johnson. They are expected to have interest in Lions DC Aaron Glenn.
__________________________________________________ ____________________________

The Bears have started to compile their list of head coaching candidates.

According to multiple reports, they have requested interviews with Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn, and Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver.
__________________________________________________ ___________________________

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the Jets, Bears, and Saints are all expected to request interviews with Glenn.

[Joemailman]

‪Tom Pelissero‬ ‪@tompelissero.bsky.social‬

The Jets put in a request to interview Chiefs OC Matt Nagy for their head coaching job, per source.

[Sparkey]

‪Tom Pelissero‬ ‪@tompelissero.bsky.social‬

The Jets put in a request to interview Chiefs OC Matt Nagy for their head coaching job, per source.

That would be the most J E T S hire ever!

[Fritz]

Jags fired Doug Pederson.

[run pMc]

per sources, DET OC Ben Johnson is not interested in the NYJ job and will not interview for it. I'd guess JAX would be front runner for him. It's the weakest division, they have a franchise QB and at least some talent, and the owner wants to pull a Murphy and have the HC report to him vs. the GM.
CHI is in a tough division, NE and LV are too. NE maybe because you're not following BB directly and that team has nowhere to go but up with Drake Maye, but I'd rather take the sunny Florida job.

IDK, what are the most to least desirable in your opinion?

[Joemailman]

This is something I'd been thinking about. McCarthy developed Rodgers. Could he do the same for Williams?

FRISCO, Texas -- Jerry Jones' timeframe on whether to keep Mike McCarthy as Dallas Cowboys coach could be impacted by the Chicago Bears.

Multiple sources said the Bears have sought permission to speak with McCarthy regarding their head coaching vacancy. A source told ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Cowboys have yet to respond to the request.

McCarthy's contract expires Wednesday, but the Cowboys hold exclusive negotiating rights through Jan. 14. After that McCarthy would become a coaching free agent.

[George Cumby]

This is something I'd been thinking about. McCarthy developed Rodgers. Could he do the same for Williams?

FRISCO, Texas -- Jerry Jones' timeframe on whether to keep Mike McCarthy as Dallas Cowboys coach could be impacted by the Chicago Bears.

Multiple sources said the Bears have sought permission to speak with McCarthy regarding their head coaching vacancy. A source told ESPN's Adam Schefter that the Cowboys have yet to respond to the request.

McCarthy's contract expires Wednesday, but the Cowboys hold exclusive negotiating rights through Jan. 14. After that McCarthy would become a coaching free agent.

I like Fat Mike for his leadership qualities, but he isn't a great coach. He's not going to solve the Bears problems.

[Fritz]

Do it, Bears! Hire Fat Mike!

[call_me_ishmael]

M3 has done a good job in Dallas. He'll get another job. He proved he's more than just ARod.

He's a good coach. Y'all are being too hard on him.

[George Cumby]

^ Nah. I think he's a good coach. He's not a great coach.

[call_me_ishmael]

Are there any great coaches? Or are good coaches projected as great due to opportunity? Even The GOAT Hoody genius himself looked like trash without Tom. Shanahan strikes me as near the top and he's stunk it up a couple seasons.

[run pMc]

Yeah, M3 is a good but not great coach. I'm not sure his offensive scheme etc. are the latest and greatest, and his clock management is still garbage. He's always been really good at rallying the troops, etc., and players seem to like playing for him. Until his last season in GB I didn't much quit even when they were in a slump. That held true in DAL, his players went to bat for him and they rallied to win a bunch of games late this season.

I think he'd be an upgrade from Eberflus, it would help them score points but I also think their defense would suffer. Caleb Williams with a good offensive minded coach could be a lot of trouble. I'm still mad that GB could barely bring Caleb down considering he was the most-sacked QB this season. grr.
Anyway, I could see Jerrah looking around the coaching landscape and reupping M3 for 2 more years. Doug Peterson is not an upgrade over M3, and unless they can pull Ben Johnson from DET I'm not sure who else is out there. Maybe Robert Saleh? M3 will be a HC next season if he wants to.

[CaptainKickass]

Are there any great coaches?

Andy Reid would like a word methinks.

[Joemailman]

The Raiders have fired HC Anthony Pierce.

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England
Dallas (M3 contract expires 1/14)
Jacksonville
Las Vegas

[MadtownPacker]

Are there any great coaches? Or are good coaches projected as great due to opportunity? Even The GOAT Hoody genius himself looked like trash without Tom. Shanahan strikes me as near the top and he's stunk it up a couple seasons.
You must have pulled your head out your ass because I agree with this. In the same note what did Rodgers win without M3? I think this would be a better hire for the bears than Fuckface from Seattle. It would also be a big fuck you to the Packers so double bonus for da bears.

[Joemailman]

Adam Schefter - Mirror‬ ‪@adamschefter-mirror.bluesky.bot‬

ESPN Source: The Dallas Cowboys denied permission to the Chicago Bears to interview their head coach Mike McCarthy.

[MadtownPacker]

Guess Jerry will give M3 another 2-3 years.

[call_me_ishmael]

Andy Reid would like a word methinks.

Agree he’s very good and did a lot with very talented teams. Is he Andy Reid the legend if Mahomes is a bust and Alex Smith is the starter still? Shoot IDK

[sharpe1027]

Coaches, GMs, and QBs each get too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they don't.

[MadtownPacker]

Agree he’s very good and did a lot with very talented teams. Is he Andy Reid the legend if Mahomes is a bust and Alex Smith is the starter still? Shoot IDK
He also got there with McNabb until Donovan puked midfield. Oh and he has a ring from assistant coaching with the Packers.

[call_me_ishmael]

He also got there with McNabb until Donovan puked midfield. Oh and he has a ring from assistant coaching with the Packers.

Those Eagles teams were really good. McNabb was a very good player for a few years there.

[Joemailman]

The Dallas Cowboys and Mike McCarthy are setting the chessboard.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and McCarthy remain open to moving forward together, and the sides are expected to open talks Friday on a new contract to keep him in Dallas, NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero reported, per sources informed of the situation.

The talks come after several days of discussions about the 2024 season and the future. McCarthy's contract expires Tuesday, giving Dallas an exclusive negotiating window before the coach becomes a true free agent.

Nearly all of the Cowboys assistant coaches are also due to have their contracts expire next week, providing some urgency for talks between Jones and McCarthy.

[Fritz]

I can't believe Jerruh is considering keeping MM on. I thought for sure he was out.

[Joemailman]

I can't believe Jerruh is considering keeping MM on. I thought for sure he was out.

Jerruh makes his head coach's job more difficult. But he doesn't fire them very often. Jason Garrett won 2 playoff games and lasted 9+ years.

[MadtownPacker]

Dak and all the other injuries saved M3.

[Joemailman]

McCarthy had 2 losing seasons where he lost his starting QB for most of the season and 3 12 win seasons. It's not that crazy that he might be able to keep his job.

[Joemailman]

Mike Vrabel to be hired as New England Head coach.

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas (M3 contract expires 1/14)
Jacksonville
Las Vegas

[Fritz]

Dak and all the other injuries saved M3.

I think this is the truth. After last year's playoff meltdown against the Pack, Jerruh seemed mighty upset - MM had to do better than that or he was gone. Then the injuries started, and Dak's injury meant Jerruh couldn't really decide if MM was going to get the job done or not.

[Joemailman]

I can't believe Jerruh is considering keeping MM on. I thought for sure he was out.

Turns out you were right. MM not returning to Dallas.

[Fosco33]

So coach prime wanted to talk to raiders and they said no. Wonder if he/jerruh would figure it out in Dallas.

I’d rather not see M3 as a Bear. Send him to the Jets and keep ARod for another season. Lol

[Joemailman]

Tom Pelissero
‪@tompelissero.bsky.social‬


The Bears requested an interview with Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich for their head coaching job, per source.

It’s the first interview for Stenavich, a former NFL offensive lineman who has been an asset to Matt LaFleur.

[MadtownPacker]

Tom Pelissero
‪@tompelissero.bsky.social‬


The Bears requested an interview with Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich for their head coaching job, per source.

It’s the first interview for Stenavich, a former NFL offensive lineman who has been an asset to Matt LaFleur.After yesterday they can have his ass for some deep dish pizzas.

[George Cumby]

^ Hahahahahahahahaha.

[Bretsky]

Tom Pelissero
‪@tompelissero.bsky.social‬


The Bears requested an interview with Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich for their head coaching job, per source.

It’s the first interview for Stenavich, a former NFL offensive lineman who has been an asset to Matt LaFleur.



This would be GREAT NEWS; he's a OL coach and NOT at offensive coordinator IMO

[run pMc]

MM not coming back to DAL is kind of funny, DAL has to fire up the coaching search while Vrabel is giving his press conference. Troy basically blasted his old team saying it looked like they don't appear to have a plan.
I'm sure they'll figure out their search, but I have a feeling Jerrah will screw it up.

[Joemailman]

‪Ian Rapoport‬ ‪@rapsheet1.bsky.social‬

The Cowboys have interest in and are expected to interview former Jets coach Robert Saleh for the vacant head coach position, source said. Would be their first known request.

Would Saleh really want to go from the Jets circus to working for Jerruh?

[SudsMcBucky]

‪Ian Rapoport‬ ‪@rapsheet1.bsky.social‬

The Cowboys have interest in and are expected to interview former Jets coach Robert Saleh for the vacant head coach position, source said. Would be their first known request.

Would Saleh really want to go from the Jets circus to working for Jerruh?

There's only 32 of those jobs out there. Make the cash-o-la while you can! It won't last forever.

[Sparkey]

Jerrah supposedly wanted MM to have Whitten as assistant coach / Head Coach in training.... MM said no and shut the talks down.

Jones is his own worst enemy.

[Joemailman]

Aldo posted this in the Hafley thread:

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

Per source, the Jets have requested to interview Packers defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley for their HC job. The Jersey native has four years of head coaching experience, at Boston College (2020-23), and led a Top 5 unit this year.
Looks like that one happens end of this week.

[Bretsky]

Aldo posted this in the Hafley thread:

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

Per source, the Jets have requested to interview Packers defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley for their HC job. The Jersey native has four years of head coaching experience, at Boston College (2020-23), and led a Top 5 unit this year.
Looks like that one happens end of this week.



I don't want BOTH of them to get jobs :)

[Joemailman]

Will Ben Johnson have a new job tomorrow?

[MadtownPacker]

Should Dan Campbell have a new job tomorrow?

[Joemailman]

Adam Stenavich and Brian Flores interviewed with the Bears yesterday.

[run pMc]

Will Ben Johnson have a new job tomorrow?

He will soon.
I don't think he was the reason the Lions lost. I think injuries on the defense and Goff's play were the reasons. Johnson can't control health or in--game execution a whole lot.

[Joemailman]

Lions DC Aaron Glenn will get 2nd interview with Jets and Saints.

[pittstang5]

I thought I saw Ben Johnson got the Dallas Job, but that must have been a rumor or fake. Can't tell these days what's real and what's fake anymore.

[Joemailman]

Lotta clickbait out there. Florio can be annoying, but PFT is actually a pretty good source for the coaching situation. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk

[George Cumby]

Lotta clickbait out there. Florio can be annoying, but PFT is actually a pretty good source for the coaching situation. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk

I always enjoyed PFT. I stopped going there after they cut out chat. That was a huge part of the (Toxic) fun.

[Joemailman]

Ben Johnson to the Bears.

[Joemailman]

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas
Jacksonville
Las Vegas
Chicago Ben Johnson

[Bretsky]

Vacancies:

New Orleans
New York Jets
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas
Jacksonville
Las Vegas
Chicago Ben Johnson


Tom Brady almost supposedly had Ben Johnson flipped to Oakland. But Bears it is. Sounds like Oakland could explore Hoody Genius. Buyout to NC would be TEN MILLION

[Joemailman]

You just don't know. McCarthy would have been the safer pick. 11 double digit win seasons in 19 years. Johnson could be another Sean McVay. He could be another Matt Nagy.

[George Cumby]

You just don't know. McCarthy would have been the safer pick. 11 double digit win seasons in 19 years. Johnson could be another Sean McVay. He could be another Matt Nagy.

Yup. I heard an interesting bit on NFL Sirius the other day how being a coordinator in no way prepares you for the demands of being a HC. Whether it's media, logistics, personnel matters or whatever, the demands of being a HC are far more complex than those imposed on an OC or DC.

[Teamcheez1]

Hiring an OC is high risk, high reward.
The Bears have already failed numerous times using this strategy.
They need a culture change as much as a coaching change.

[call_me_ishmael]

Where is Big Mac gonna land? Surely he would have taken a 1 or 2 year Dallas offer if he didn't have something else pretty much lined up, no? That's like 10M at a minimum I would think.

[SudsMcBucky]

Tom Brady almost supposedly had Ben Johnson flipped to Oakland. But Bears it is. Sounds like Oakland could explore Hoody Genius. Buyout to NC would be TEN MILLION

You sure about that? As of late last week, BB still had not signed that UNC contract.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Glenn looking like favorite for Jets HC job. Lions OL coach Hank Fraley getting 2nd interview for Seahawks OC. Could be a busy time for Dan Campbell.

[run pMc]

Ben Johnson getting $14M to coach the Bears. I hear he's trying to bring former NO HC Dennis Allen to be the DC, and his replacement Darren Rizzi as the ST coach.

Aaron Glenn and McCarthy are the rumored favorites for the NO job, but there's also a rumor that NYJ won't let Glenn out of the building.

I wouldn't touch the NO job; they keep cooking their cap to where it's basically a boiled bunny at this point.

Saleh is reportedly either getting the JAX job or going back to SF to be the DC.

[call_me_ishmael]

Aaron Glenn should run outta the building lol. No way would I take that job. Detroit DC is a better job.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Glenn the new HC of the Jets.

New Orleans
New York Jets Aaron Glenn
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas
Jacksonville
Las Vegas
Chicago Ben Johnson

[Joemailman]

Lions have lost OC Ben Johnson to the Bears, DC Aaron Glenn to the Jets, DL coach Terrell Williams to the Patriots (new DC), and OL coach Hank Fraley has interviewed twice for the Seahawks OC position.

[call_me_ishmael]

I hope the moneys good because he will be shitcanned in 3 years. What a terrible organization.

[Fritz]

I hope the moneys good because he will be shitcanned in 3 years. What a terrible organization.

Which one??? The Bears or the Jets? Or both, more likely.

[mgordo]

Which one??? The Bears or the Jets? Or both, more likely.

Ben Johnson took a shot a LaFleur..

“I wanted to stay in this division,” Johnson said during his introductory news conference on Wednesday. “I know this is the toughest division of football right now. There’s three teams that made the playoffs this year.

“I’ve got tremendous amount of respect for the coaches and the players in this league having competed against them for the last six years. (Lions coach) Dan Campbell, (Vikings coach) Kevin O’Connell, talking about two guys that are up for coach the year awards as the season ends here.”

And then, in what will be a crowd-pleaser of a line, he added: “And, to be quite frank with you, I kind of enjoyed beating Matt LaFleur twice a year.”

[Joemailman]

Cowboys reportedly closing in on deal to make current OC Brian Schottenheimer (son of Marty) the new HC. This will be met with a yawn by a lot of people. Schott had never been a head coach and did not call plays for the Cowboys.

[Joemailman]

While the Cowboys have reportedly spent much of the past two days in conversations with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, there is another name that has emerged in their head-coach search.

According to a high-ranking executive in the league, the Cowboys are interested in Packers special teams coordinator and former Raiders interim head coach Rich Bisaccia. Neither the Cowboys nor the Packers have responded to inquiries whether Dallas has sought or received permission from Green Bay to interview Bisaccia, who’s entering the final year of his contract in Green Bay.

Josina Anderson reported Thursday that the Cowboys have had informal conversations with at least one other prospect not named Deion Sanders. There is reason to believe that individual is Bisaccia, who led the Raiders to the playoffs in 2021, going 7-5 as the Las Vegas interim head coach following the resignation of Jon Gruden.

Among several NFL stops over a long and distinguished career, Bisaccia served in Dallas as assistant head coach and special teams coordinator from 2013-17 before he joined the Raiders.

[Teamcheez1]

No great loss.
Our special teams haven’t exactly been lighting it up.

[Joemailman]

Looks like Saleh going back to SF as DC. Saleh canceled his flight to Jacksonville late Thursday for a second interview scheduled for Friday.

[call_me_ishmael]

SF DC is a better job than Jacksonville HC. Smart move for him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Per ESPN, Pistol Pete Carroll to Oakland, err, Vegas.

[Joemailman]

Per ESPN, Pistol Pete Carroll to Oakland, err, Vegas.

And Bucs OC Liam Coen gets the job in Jacksonville.

New Orleans
New York Jets Aaron Glenn
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas
Jacksonville Liam Cohen
Las Vegas Pete Carroll
Chicago Ben Johnson

[Joemailman]

Cowboys hire OC Brian Schottenheimer as HC.

[pittstang5]

Pete Carroll coming back? That's a head scratcher for me.

[George Cumby]

Pete Carroll coming back? That's a head scratcher for me.

And to the Raiders? Sheesh.

[ThunderDan]

And to the Raiders? Sheesh.

They probably know they have a couple of years of pain ahead. Why not let Carroll get them through them?

Try to get a QB developed and then pass it off in a couple of years to the next hot coordinator.

[SudsMcBucky]

Cowboys hire OC Brian Schottenheimer as HC.

And Michael Irvin is THRILLED with the choice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4aiTNZQMc

[Fritz]

They probably know they have a couple of years of pain ahead. Why not let Carroll get them through them?

Try to get a QB developed and then pass it off in a couple of years to the next hot coordinator.

Speaking of that, Ben Johnson's hiring of his offensive coordinator Declan Doyle is a real head-scratcher to me. Only two years coaching in the NFL? As a tight ends coach? Maybe Johnson sees him as the next prodigy and wants to milk him for more ideas about the offense, and for a 28-year-old, it's a golden opportunity even if he doesn't call plays.

But man, that's a thin resume he's got.

[Joemailman]

Speaking of that, Ben Johnson's hiring of his offensive coordinator Declan Doyle is a real head-scratcher to me. Only two years coaching in the NFL? As a tight ends coach? Maybe Johnson sees him as the next prodigy and wants to milk him for more ideas about the offense, and for a 28-year-old, it's a golden opportunity even if he doesn't call plays.

But man, that's a thin resume he's got.

He actually has 6 years. Before being hired by Sean Payton as Denver's TE coach in 2023, he was hired by Payton in 2019 as an offensive assistant for New Orleans in 2019. I would assume Payton speaks highly of him. Still a big jump though.

[Joemailman]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

Former #Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has decided to focus on the 2026 hiring cycle and will not coach in the NFL this season, sources tell me and @RapSheet

McCarthy, who has made the playoffs 12 times in 18 seasons, is expected to be a strong candidate a year from now.

Seems nobody wants to coach a team (Saints) that is 60 million over the cap.

[Fritz]

Seems nobody wants to coach a team (Saints) that is 60 million over the cap.

But . . . but . . . the salary cap is just a made-up accounting thing! It can be cooked forever!

[texaspackerbacker]

Clearly, the Saints didn't do a very good job of that cooking/manipulating the way the Packers, Niners, and a lot of other teams do.

[Joemailman]

Clearly, the Saints didn't do a very good job of that cooking/manipulating the way the Packers, Niners, and a lot of other teams do.

They just took it way too far. At some point you have to bite the bullet a little bit to get out from under that situation. Packers has a total of 107 million in dead cap in 2023 and 2024 combined. Now they're in good shape.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yet the Packers didn't take a drastic dip. Neither do most teams that live on the edge of the cap. If the New Orleans situation is a mess, it probably has other causes, just like a lot of other teams that have no cap problems. It's probably about 50% good or bad management and 50% good or bad luck.

[run pMc]

Yet the Packers didn't take a drastic dip. Neither do most teams that live on the edge of the cap. If the New Orleans situation is a mess, it probably has other causes, just like a lot of other teams that have no cap problems. It's probably about 50% good or bad management and 50% good or bad luck.

The Packers were seriously strapped against the cap in the 2023 season (Rodgers on the cap, Bakhtiari hurt) and were stuck with Rudy Ford and Jonathan Owens as starters. They didn't have space to sign players. That was then, they took their medicine and are now in good shape. NO has never really done that and eventually the music will stop and they will have to spend a season or three letting that spending unwind. Meanwhile they will likely be a very very bad team because they won't have room to sign or extend players.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers were seriously strapped against the cap in the 2023 season (Rodgers on the cap, Bakhtiari hurt) and were stuck with Rudy Ford and Jonathan Owens as starters. They didn't have space to sign players. That was then, they took their medicine and are now in good shape. NO has never really done that and eventually the music will stop and they will have to spend a season or three letting that spending unwind. Meanwhile they will likely be a very very bad team because they won't have room to sign or extend players.

Yet they still made the playoffs and barely lost to the Niners. Owen and Ford didn't seem like all that bad players.

[ThunderDan]

$50 Million in Cap space gets you another Jenkins, McKinney and Jacobs will room to spare.

[Fritz]

With that kind of money you could also pay for some acting lessons for Love so he can get more flags like Floppy Mahomes does.

I wonder if GM's ever say to themselves, when they have cap space like this, "Well, I suck at drafting such-and-such a position, so maybe I should sign a free agent at that spot."

[pittstang5]

With that kind of money you could also pay for some acting lessons for Love so he can get more flags like Floppy Mahomes does.

I wonder if GM's ever say to themselves, when they have cap space like this, "Well, I suck at drafting such-and-such a position, so maybe I should sign a free agent at that spot."

Or pay someone to stand on the sidelines and remind Love that he can just tuck the ball and run sometimes.

[run pMc]

Yet they still made the playoffs and barely lost to the Niners. Owen and Ford didn't seem like all that bad players.

They weren't expected to make the playoffs last year; they barely squeaked in. Owens played for the Bears (started 5 games) and Ford got signed (and released 2 weeks later) by the Panthers. That about sums up where they stack up against other safeties in the league. If you don't think McKinney and the draft picks was an upgrade, please seek help.

[Guiness]

Clearly, the Saints didn't do a very good job of that cooking/manipulating the way the Packers, Niners, and a lot of other teams do.

I thought the Saints were WAY past the cooking/manipulating point, weren't they? Going back to the Brees years I recall them being as much as 50% or more over the cap at times. That's the flame roasted version of cap cooking!

[Guiness]

I can't wrap my head around no one seemingly even talking to Belichick

[run pMc]

I think some teams did reach out to him and he turned them down. Seems he's intent on building a program at UNC, my guess is they gave him a loaded Brinks truck too.

[Joemailman]

Saints hire Eagles OC Kellen Moore as their HC.

New Orleans Kellen Moore
New York Jets Aaron Glenn
New England Mike Vrabel
Dallas Brian Schottenheimer
Jacksonville Liam Cohen
Las Vegas Pete Carroll
Chicago Ben Johnson

[call_me_ishmael]

So many stupid hires. I understand time is undefeated and its a young man's game but does anyone think Jacksonville won't be doing this same song and dance in three years or less? Same with NYC. Kellen Moore? Really?

Vrable is a good hire and will stick The others I doubt. Glenn seems like a good hire but no doubt he'll be out in 3-4 years. Schottenheimer will certainly be out. Cohen out. Carroll is great but too old. I will take the under on 5 years for Ben Johnson.

[Joemailman]

Saints had to settle for Kellen Moore because almost nobody wants that job. They are in cap hell (54 million over) and have the same GM who got them there. Derek Carr has a cap hit of 51 million, and goes up to 61 million next year. Taysom Hill has a cap hit of 18 million. They have 10 players with a cap hit of over 10 million.

Vrabel, Ben Johnson and Cohen have the best chances of success because they at least have talented young QB's to work with.

[QBME]

POTENTIAL Winners:
Vrabel
Glenn
Johnson

It all begins with ownership.
And attitude.
And the front lines.