More Banjo - Packers vs. Texans

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love - 24/33, 220, 3 TD, 2 INT

Josh Jacobs - 92 total yards, 1st receiving TD

Romeo Doubs - 8 catches, 95 yards

Packers lose turnover battle 3-0

Eric Wilson career game

McManus game winner.

Discuss.

[King Friday]

Gute picked the correct week to move on from a rookie who was out of his league at this point.

[ThunderDan]

Gute picked the correct week to move on from a rookie who was out of his league at this point.

Out of his league…. Out of the league……

[beveaux1]

We might have a competent FG kicker. That's what I got out of the game.

[Fosco33]

Whelan w/ some big punts. Jacobs w/ a receiving TD. Evan Williams with a big game.

Lions and Vikings are both really good. Bears don’t suck and we’re a playoff quality team w/ a lot of upside.

[beveaux1]

Teams that lose the turnover battle by 3 only win 15% of the time.

[Fosco33]

Teams that lose the turnover battle by 3 only win 15% of the time.

It’s like 10-13%. Crazy

[Oscar]

Defense won this one for us.

[MadtownPacker]

Defense won this one for us.
What’s up!

Let’s make sure not to forget our kicker.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-UkaB44IFqWbgL9bNwc58nams9zauFAtHbw&s

[Fosco33]

Our kicker has Adams #. Funny w/ the trade the same week.

[Oscar]

Nice having a real kicker McMad.

[George Cumby]

Defense won this one for us.

Keep talking sexy to me, Big Boy.

[Fritz]

The name: McGrindus. Earned his keep today, especially banging the second one through after the freeze time out had been called just before he nailed the first one.

Love's play is a little concerning. I appreciate the let-it-all-hang-out approach to an extent, but the dude is throwing interceptions by the bunch. He needs a come-to-Jesus sit down with The Flower.

J. Reed just had a bad day. He's been great, so maybe that's expected.

Packer defense was mostly good - came up clutch on that last Texans' drive, holding them to a FG AND giving GB enough time (with a timeout, to boot) to get the ball down the field.

Doubs was really good. He's catching the tough ones now, in a way he did not his first two years. It's okay - you can smile, dude.

Jaire Alexander - seemed like a punk today.

Any word on Walker's injury?

Edgerrin Cooper makes his presence felt, doesn't he? He's fast and relentless. I like that guy.

[Guiness]

Carlson just hit a 50 yarder for the 49ers.

This post could’ve gone here or then still pursuing the dream thread :razz:

[bobblehead]

I watched the game in a bar which I hate cuz I miss too much, but instant takeaways for me:

Wilson needs to play more. Like EvanW he earned it.

McAnus proved to be the right call and I am going with McAnus cuz its funny.

Love needs to stop throwing picks. Thats it until I rewatch it alone.

[MadtownPacker]

Carlson just hit a 50 yarder for the 49ers.

This post could’ve gone here or then still pursuing the dream thread :razz:
Not when it is a crucial moment.

[texaspackerbacker]

For the first time in a long time, watching Packer D was actually fun. We would have lost this game for sure with Joe Barry.

McManus looks smooth and effortless as a kicker. Everything was a strain with Narveson, and Carlson just never looked smooth or with good form.

I saw some things I really didn't like with Love today. He got away from the Rodgers level of caution about throwing picks, and it almost cost the Packers the game.

Preston Smith and McDuffie were weak links on an otherwise up and coming good D. Bullard also doesn't do much.

Yes, the O Line was generally kinda mediocre, but several things: the pass rush on Love came mainly from the outside, and not just on Walker, partly on Tom too. And the run game, the Packers are second only to Baltimore in rushing yards per game, and a lot of Baltimore's are Lamar Jackson. And where was almost all of that running success? Again today, it was right up the middle behind the guy some of ya'all love to piss and moan about - just sayin' .....

[King Friday]

Carlson just hit a 50 yarder for the 49ers.

This post could’ve gone here or then still pursuing the dream thread :razz:

He also just missed an extra point. Still the same sucky Anders.

[ThunderDan]

He also just missed an extra point. Still the same sucky Anders.

I figured they went for 2 to tie the game up.

[Fritz]

He also just missed an extra point. Still the same sucky Anders.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Guiness]

He also just missed an extra point. Still the same sucky Anders.

I saw that. Did a slow head shake with a bit of a chuckle.

[Joemailman]

He also just missed an extra point. Still the same sucky Anders.

He just did that so we wouldn't feel so bad. Nice guy.

[Fritz]

He just did that so we wouldn't feel so bad. Nice guy.

Oddly, it did make me feel better. We'd hate to see him turn into a good kicker for a hated opponent after wasting a year "developing" him here.

[Sparkey]

I watched the game in a bar which I hate cuz I miss too much, but instant takeaways for me:

Wilson needs to play more. Like EvanW he earned it.

McAnus proved to be the right call and I am going with McAnus cuz its funny.

Love needs to stop throwing picks. Thats it until I rewatch it alone.

The first pick was just a terrible decision. Doubs was wide open on an out at the sticks and yet Love forced the throw into tight coverage. Even worse, Doubs was on the same side of the field so Love should have seen it.

[Joemailman]

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Jordan Love when trailing in the win vs the Texans:

❄️ 19/25
❄️ 173 passing yards
❄️ 3 TDs
❄️ 0 INTs
❄️ 133.8 passer rating

[Guiness]

I just saw that Jacob's TD catch was the first one of his career. 6th season in the league, feature back since his rookie season, 208 receptions. How is that even possible?

[Joemailman]

Oddly, it did make me feel better. We'd hate to see him turn into a good kicker for a hated opponent after wasting a year "developing" him here.

If Carlson or Narveson do well elsewhere, there will be a question of whether the problem was the kicker, or the Packers' ability to develop a young kicker.

[CaptainKickass]

Someone please tell Hafley he shouldn't pick his nose while the camera is zoomed in all close up directly on his face.

Where was Watson all game? Did he even have a target? A catch?

I read somewhere that Whelan had an historic day punting, but found no analysis. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Eight penalties, three turnovers and zero takeaways - the Packers had no business winning this one, yet here we are.

[Joemailman]

Watson was targeted twice. Had 1 catch for 9 yards. He was the target on Love's 2nd INT.

Daniel Whelan punted five times today for 284 yards, a 56.8-yard gross average that is the second-best single-game average in team history behind only Roy McKay’s 61.6-yard average on five punts vs. the Chicago Cardinals in 1945.

Packers winning the types of games they lost last year. They were 2-5 at this point last year with 3 of the losses by 1, 4 and 2 points.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah I was recalling the record being flipped but damn it is exactly flipped.

[Joemailman]

PFF Best, worst grades:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/21/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-win-over-texans-in-week-7/

Top 5 offense

1. WR Bo Melton: 81.2
2. WR Romeo Doubs: 76.4
3. RT Zach Tom: 72.6
4. QB Jordan Love: 72.2
5. TE Ben Sims: 69.6

Melton caught a third down pass to extend a scoring drive. Doubs caught eight of 10 targets, averaged 2.97 yards per route run and made four of five contested catches. Tom gave up two pressures but earned the line’s top run-blocking grade. Love made three big-time throws and was excellent when kept clean. Sims was the team’s highest graded run blocker, and he made one catch.

Top 5 defense

1. LB Eric Wilson: 82.7
2. LB Quay Walker: 76.8
3. DE Rashan Gary: 74.0
4. S Xavier McKinney: 69.1
5. S Javon Bullard: 66.1

Wilson produced a team-high four stops, including two sacks and two other tackles for loss, and he broke up a pass on third down. Walker had a tackle and was solid in coverage over 13 snaps before exiting with a concussion. Gary produced a team-high six pressures, including two quarterback hits and his first sack since Week 1. He also had two run stops. McKinney got home on both of his blitz attempts, including one ending in a third-down sack. Bullard was solid against the run and finished with three stops.

Bottom 5 offense

1. WR Jayden Reed: 40.1
2. WR Christian Watson: 53.3
3. LT Rasheed Walker: 55.6
4. RG Sean Rhyan: 56.0
5. TE Tucker Kraft: 56.8

Reed dropped two passes and produced only 10 receiving yards on 32 routes run. Watson caught only one pass and was stopped for a loss on his lone rushing attempt, and he graded out poorly as a run blocker. Walker gave up three pressures, including a sack, and struggled in the run game. Rhyan gave up a sack and was only average in the run game. Kraft caught three passes, including a touchdown, but he averaged 0.92 yards per route run on 36 routes.

Bottom 5 defense

1. DE Lukas Van Ness: 30.2
2. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 34.4
3. DL TJ Slaton: 35.1
4. DE Preston Smith: 37.5
5. DL Colby Wooden: 55.5

Van Ness played 32 snaps, including 22 as a pass-rushers, but wasn’t credited with a pressure. He also missed two tackles. Cooper missed two tackles, gave up two completions into his coverage and earned a poor run defense grade. Slaton played 22 snaps against the run but missed two tackles and earned a poor run defense grade. Smith was on the field for a season low 28 snaps, and he didn’t register a single pressure. Wooden had a quarterback hit but wasn’t effective against the run.

Special teams
Corey Ballentine was responsible for losing a fumble on the punt return, but he also had a tackle. Matt Orzech had a poor snap on a punt and the final field goal attempt, but he also had a tackle. Eric Wilson had one tackle and one miss. Zayne Anderson had a tackle. Kingsley Enagbare and Arron Mosby were flagged for penalties — Mosby’s holding negated a long kickoff return from Keisean Nixon. Brandon McManus made all four of his kick attempts. Daniel Whelan averaged 51.8 net yards, a season high.

Quarterback play
Jordan Love: 72.2

Love had three big-time throws and two turnover-worthy plays, matching his touchdown and interception total. He completed 80.8 percent of passes and threw three touchdown passes from clean pockets but struggled against pressure. Love connected on only 2-of-7 attempts over 20 yards, but two were touchdowns. When throwing between 0-9 yards, Love was 14-for-15 passing. The Packers used play-action on only six dropbacks.

Stat to know
Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud was under pressure on 15 of his 29 dropbacks, or 51.7 percent. He completed only three passes for 14 yards and took four sacks while under pressure.

[Joemailman]

I felt Texans running game took off after Quay Walker went out. PFF puts it mostly on Cooper.

[pittstang5]

Bottom 5 defense

1. DE Lukas Van Ness: 30.2
2. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 34.4
3. DL TJ Slaton: 35.1
4. DE Preston Smith: 37.5
5. DL Colby Wooden: 55.5



I'm tired of seeing Van Ness on the bottom 5 defense every week. What is wrong with him?

[Joemailman]

I'm tired of seeing Van Ness on the bottom 5 defense every week. What is wrong with him?

I'm hoping it's just a result of being in his third different defensive scheme in 3 years. They moved Gary around quite a bit yesterday with good results. Maybe they'll try that with Van Ness.

[Fritz]

I'm tired of seeing Van Ness on the bottom 5 defense every week. What is wrong with him?

Agreed, Pitt. This IS concerning, especially given that it's becoming clear (and it hurts to write this because I respect this guy) that Preston Smith is not cut out for this defense. He doesn't have the giddup any more to really get after the QB. He's not a terrible player, not at all, but in an ideal world he'll be ceding snaps to Van Ness - who will produce. But not yesterday. Or the Sunday before. Or the . . .

Like Thunder Dan, I had to watch at a sports bar, which sucks - so I didn't see if Rhyan and Morgan split snaps at guard, or what.

i am rooting for Ben Sims, dunno why exactly but I am, so I was glad to see his PFF grade was good. I think, also, this is the second week in a row that Kraft got a poopy grade from them, though I don't even know if that one number can tell us too much about how a guy actually played.

Rasheed Walker is also very up-and-down - he's having a hard time being consistently good. I wonder if they'll end up moving Morgan over there?

And the defense held the Texans to three second-half points without getting a single turnover, so that's a good sign. Tex also came up with a great nickname as a result: Jeff "Second" Halfley.

[Joemailman]

Agreed, Pitt. This IS concerning, especially given that it's becoming clear (and it hurts to write this because I respect this guy) that Preston Smith is not cut out for this defense. He doesn't have the giddup any more to really get after the QB. He's not a terrible player, not at all, but in an ideal world he'll be ceding snaps to Van Ness - who will produce. But not yesterday. Or the Sunday before. Or the . . .

Like Thunder Dan, I had to watch at a sports bar, which sucks - so I didn't see if Rhyan and Morgan split snaps at guard, or what.

i am rooting for Ben Sims, dunno why exactly but I am, so I was glad to see his PFF grade was good. I think, also, this is the second week in a row that Kraft got a poopy grade from them, though I don't even know if that one number can tell us too much about how a guy actually played.

Rasheed Walker is also very up-and-down - he's having a hard time being consistently good. I wonder if they'll end up moving Morgan over there?

And the defense held the Texans to three second-half points without getting a single turnover, so that's a good sign. Tex also came up with a great nickname as a result: Jeff "Second" Halfley.

Rhyan played 78% of snaps. Morgan 22%

I expect next year Morgan and Walker will battle for LT position.

[sharpe1027]

I'm tired of seeing Van Ness on the bottom 5 defense every week. What is wrong with him?

He was supposed to be a great athlete that needed work on technique. He sure doesn't look explosive.

[run pMc]

Rhyan hasn't been awful this year; Runyan was worse thru 7 games last year.

I wonder if Walker - Rhyan - Jenkins - Morgan - Tom isn't the best OL at end of year. I have no idea what they are going to do next year; they still need a decent swing tackle or someone to push who they have. Not convinced it's Morgan, but I'm not inside the building or practices to know.
And yes, I do think Myers has been at least average this year. He'll get another contract somewhere.

Agree Love needs to cleanup the YOLO throws and quit trying to prove he's worth the big extension. A big reason they were so good in the 2nd half of last season was the lack of turnovers. MLF and Clements need to yell at him.
Those TD throws (and catches) to Wicks and especially Kraft were great throws. Hey Jordan - More good, less bad please.

How about Jeff Hafley going after Stroud like that? Whoo, no way Joe Barry does that. A couple times I counted SIX rushers, moving Gary around, sending McKinney off the edge, loved it. Tank Dell and Stefon Diggs aren't slouches, the defense played well despite not getting any turnovers.

GB was the better team, they didn't play well though. Felt like a lot of their games where they played sloppy and gave away multiple chances to score points. If this team can put it together, they can be a wrecking crew.

[Joemailman]

Packers released LS Matt Orzech, but it's likely a procedural move. Thet had to activate Jonathan Ford off IR. They will likely release Ford, if he clears waivers add him to practice squad, and sign Orzech again.

[red]

Agreed, Pitt. This IS concerning, especially given that it's becoming clear (and it hurts to write this because I respect this guy) that Preston Smith is not cut out for this defense. He doesn't have the giddup any more to really get after the QB. He's not a terrible player, not at all, but in an ideal world he'll be ceding snaps to Van Ness - who will produce. But not yesterday. Or the Sunday before. Or the . . .



i saw a facebook story (so fake), that teams were interested in preston

but should we? seems like we got talent at his position, so if we can move a highly paid older guy who isn't playing very well, then shouldn't we?

seems like a good idea to me

[Joemailman]

The first pick was just a terrible decision. Doubs was wide open on an out at the sticks and yet Love forced the throw into tight coverage. Even worse, Doubs was on the same side of the field so Love should have seen it.

That was a good job by Houston of disguising the defense. The defender who ended up tipping the ball came off of Doubs to create a double team in the slot. More a good play by the defense than a bad decision by Love IMO.

[pittstang5]

i saw a facebook story (so fake), that teams were interested in preston

but should we? seems like we got talent at his position, so if we can move a highly paid older guy who isn't playing very well, then shouldn't we?

seems like a good idea to me

I've read that too that someone might be interested in Preston and I too don't believe it.

However, let's suppose it is true. One thing that Preston has going for him is that he is always available. With all the injuries this team encounters, year after year after year, it's nice knowing he doesn't show up on the injury report unless it's a veteran day off.

Knock on wood

[red]

I've read that too that someone might be interested in Preston and I too don't believe it.

However, let's suppose it is true. One thing that Preston has going for him is that he is always available. With all the injuries this team encounters, year after year after year, it's nice knowing he doesn't show up on the injury report unless it's a veteran day off.

Knock on wood

he's also one of the few vet leaders we have on D

[King Friday]

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Jordan Love when trailing in the win vs the Texans:

❄️ 19/25
❄️ 173 passing yards
❄️ 3 TDs
❄️ 0 INTs
❄️ 133.8 passer rating

So are we saying that the INTs are on purpose?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd say LaFleur or somebody gave Love a good talking to at halftime about not throwing it into a crowd.

[bobblehead]

I'd say LaFleur or somebody gave Love a good talking to at halftime about not throwing it into a crowd.

Thats a nice hollywood story line, but I'm pretty sure Love gets that talk every practice, all through camp, in texts during the offseason etc. He has a bad habit. He had it in college. Its not going away. Even last year, as I pointed out in my several fearful posts about this season, he threw a lot of really dumb passes during his incredible run. He either got lucky or bailed out by his WRs on all of them for that run. Its the reason I didn't want to extend him until this year was over.

[texaspackerbacker]

Once he snapped out of the funk last season as well as after screwing up early in the Houston game, Love became very Rodgers-like. Hopefully for whatever reason, he will stay on track that way and not throw into crowds. I don't recall that bad decisions/good luck late in the season last year that you're talking about.

[red]

if you tell love to be more careful with the ball, then you don't get the spectacular plays anymore either

need to face it. love might just be more favre then rodgers. but thats not all a bad thing. favre won 3 mvps and a super bowl

just hope we don't have to see loves dick at any point

[Fritz]

if you tell love to be more careful with the ball, then you don't get the spectacular plays anymore either

need to face it. love might just be more favre then rodgers. but thats not all a bad thing. favre won 3 mvps and a super bowl

just hope we don't have to see loves dick at any point

That last line . . . You always make me laugh, Red.

[bobblehead]

Once he snapped out of the funk last season as well as after screwing up early in the Houston game, Love became very Rodgers-like. Hopefully for whatever reason, he will stay on track that way and not throw into crowds. I don't recall that bad decisions/good luck late in the season last year that you're talking about.

The results were Rodgers like. The decisions were not

[sharpe1027]

I don't mind risky throws if he hits on enough to make up for the ints. I'll take an INT instead of multiple punts because we were very conservative.

Not only does challenging down field result in some big plays, it also makes the defense respect the deep threat.

[texaspackerbacker]

That hardly ever happens, though. The most GOAT-like thing about Rodgers was not throwing interceptions. Turnovers and particularly interceptions kill.

[bobblehead]

I don't mind risky throws if he hits on enough to make up for the ints. I'll take an INT instead of multiple punts because we were very conservative.

Not only does challenging down field result in some big plays, it also makes the defense respect the deep threat.

Agreed, but when you look at a defense and you see iso on the edge, that is when you take that shot. Its harder for a defender to pick than it is for the WR to come down with it in that situation. Also, most flags happen in iso coverage, not many in triple coverage. The deep shot should rarely be predetermined in the huddle.

[bobblehead]

That hardly ever happens, though. The most GOAT-like thing about Rodgers was not throwing interceptions. Turnovers and particularly interceptions kill.

Agreed for most of his career. That became less so the last couple years. He is gambling more as his frustration mounts. Early on you NEVER saw deep balls into double coverage.

[Fritz]

Agreed for most of his career. That became less so the last couple years. He is gambling more as his frustration mounts. Early on you NEVER saw deep balls into double coverage.

There were, however, rumors of a threesome with Jessica Szohr and Olivia Munn.

[sharpe1027]

Some of his risky throws are when he's got pressure. Reminds me of Favre not willing to take a sack.

Honestly, a sack ends a drive often enough to be a virtual turnover.

I don't believe the goal should be to have as few interceptions as possible. Taken to extremes, you would never throw the ball as that would guarantee zero interceptions. While that's an unrealistic situation, it illustrates there must be a point at which you're better off taking a risk of the INT
You need to acknowledge that part of challenging the opposing defense is taking some risks.

[bobblehead]

There were, however, rumors of a threesome with Jessica Szohr and Olivia Munn.

I said deep balls not balls deep.

[Fritz]

I said deep balls not balls deep.

PO-TAY-TO PO-TAH-TO!

I can't seem to keep the twelve-year-old-boy part of myself out of this forum.

One thing that's kind of exciting to me is to think this year's team is not yet fully developed and formed. Halfley has said the defense is still in its "infancy," and it sure looks like the offense hasn't really taken off quite yet. Love has room to improve, as do many of the other young guys. I've also been mildly encouraged at Sean Rhyan's play - I wonder if, in practice, Morgan is getting reps at one of the tackle positions, in preparation to move him outside at some point in the next year or so, depending on Walker and Tom.

[run pMc]

Rhyan is off to a very good start. Myers is also having a decent year. Both are playing better than the Myers-RunyanJr. of last year thru 7 games.

[Joemailman]

Packers are blitzing less this year than last year (20% vs. 30%), but they already have 8.5 sacks from LB's and DB's vs. 4.5 all last year. Better players for sure, but probably better deception.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rhyan is off to a very good start. Myers is also having a decent year. Both are playing better than the Myers-RunyanJr. of last year thru 7 games.

Good somebody notices and believes their eyes hahahaha. Actually, they weren't that bad last season either - most of the good runs were up the middle, and most of the rushing of the QB was not up the middle.

As for the blitzing or not, does sending a fourth in a 3-4 count as a blitz, while sending four in a 4-3 dos not? That could explain the percentages.

[Joemailman]

Good somebody notices and believes their eyes hahahaha. Actually, they weren't that bad last season either - most of the good runs were up the middle, and most of the rushing of the QB was not up the middle.

As for the blitzing or not, does sending a fourth in a 3-4 count as a blitz, while sending four in a 4-3 dos not? That could explain the percentages.

Generally, sending 4 is not considered a blitz no matter what the alignment.

[bobblehead]

Packers are blitzing less this year than last year (20% vs. 30%), but they already have 8.5 sacks from LB's and DB's vs. 4.5 all last year. Better players for sure, but probably better deception.

Way better. How often have 2 LBs lined up over the guards only to have one, both, neither come. I haven't seen how the DBs are coming because the camera usually focuses on the middle, but I'd imagine they are lining up to cover the slot and coming off that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Bringing D Backs on blitzes is high reward but also high risk. Hafley has done a good job of making it work so far, but hopefully he keeps it rare enough that the opponents don't catch on - a lot like running your wideouts on offense.