Saleh, Risk and Reward

[George Cumby]

This merits it's own thread.

The Defense is performing quite well under Hafley.

Does bringing in Saleh create a 'too many cooks in the kitchen' situation?

Or does it just add more sauce for the goose?

Discuss.

[Joemailman]

According to MLF, he will be working with the offense.

[sharpe1027]

Temporary help not challenging Hafley regarding the defense. Seems positive

[George Cumby]

According to MLF, he will be working with the offense.

But will that have Halfley looking over his shoulder? This is going to be a real test for MLF.

[Jorris]

From the presser, it seems like MLF is keeping Saleh on the offensive side of the ball. Honestly I think MLF convinced gute to let Saleh just hang out for a bit and say the first things that he sees about the offense. Also we still don't know how long Saleh will actually be in Green Bay.

[Sparkey]

Sounds like he will be watching tape of upcoming opponents game film with the QB and others to dissect what they are trying to do on different defensive looks.

The article said reengineering the opposing teams defense.

[MadtownPacker]

Saleh??? I hated that guy.

Before he was with the Packers. :razz:

Don’t see how it can be a negative. Not stepping on anyones toes.

[red]

hafley has been good, but saleh is an elite DC IMO

plus they were talking in the last game that hafley, might already be getting head coaching calls next offseason

saleh has already been there and failed, so he isn't gonna get poached anytime soon

i think you have to keep saleh around as long as you can

[red]

and i think its very cool if he's just adding his eye to the offense to see things from the other side of the ball and help love and company improve even more

[SudsMcBucky]

I absolutely love this move. Hafley keeps total control of the D and Saleh helps the O prepare for the upcoming team's D. Also, you're keeping Saleh from maybe going to a competitor, plus you have him on staff if Hafley decides to move on. This is nothing but a GREAT move.

[NewsBruin]

I absolutely love this move. Hafley keeps total control of the D and Saleh helps the O prepare for the upcoming team's D. Also, you're keeping Saleh from maybe going to a competitor, plus you have him on staff if Hafley decides to move on. This is nothing but a GREAT move.

I like networking in general. If Long Tall Saleh and MLF's staff have a good relationship, then they can steer coaching/scouting prospects to each other or give some tactical nuggets for shared opponents.

[bobblehead]

hafley has been good, but saleh is an elite DC IMO

plus they were talking in the last game that hafley, might already be getting head coaching calls next offseason

saleh has already been there and failed, so he isn't gonna get poached anytime soon

i think you have to keep saleh around as long as you can

This. Why wouldn't you keep him close just in case. Red is correct, no one is calling Saleh this year, but someone MIGHT call Halfass. We aren't even paying Bobby, the Jets are.

[pittstang5]

I didn't know Lafleur was Best Man in Saleh's wedding. found that interesting.

[NewsBruin]

And as someone who's been laid off before, it would be pretty awesome for a friend to call you and have you do what you're good at and enjoy

[MadtownPacker]

I didn't know Lafleur was Best Man in Saleh's wedding. found that interesting.
Well damn that’s a fucking awesome nugget!!

Homerism levels are high for me right now. Wonder if this could this be the final sprinkle of salt that brings all the flavor out?

[red]

pat macaffe had chuck pagano on and said this actually happens more then we know

this is buddies helping buddies, like someone else just said

maybe lafleau shows saleh some offensive stuff while saleh is scouting other teams and telling lefluer how to attack them

and the jets are paying him to do it

i see no downside to this at all. and i love it

and if hafly does start to look over his shoulder and cracks, then we already have one of the top, if not the TOP DC in the NFL in the building


https://youtu.be/ETJVBtRR64Q?si=AWikUgHhtBtcWGH7

[red]

really, this could be the start of a whole new position, if it doesn't exist already

defensive mind that scouts for the offense and shows them how to attack that D. all while the d-cord is still fully focused on his side of the ball

[MadtownPacker]

really, this could be the start of a whole new position, if it doesn't exist already

defensive mind that scouts for the offense and shows them how to attack that D. all while the d-cord is still fully focused on his side of the ball
Regardless of the standard being low, this is easily post of the year by you. Some type of actuary for offense would be beneficial.

[run pMc]

yeah he's still getting paid by Woody Johnson, so he can do what he wants. A lot of coaches that get fired take unpaid "consulting" or "analyst" jobs with another team they have connections with. Keeps them in the game, they don't have to work crazy hours, and they're still making dough.
GB's brought people in a few times recently: Butch Berry, Aubrey Pleasant, etc.

No way Saleh coaches for another team this year, he's on paid vacation, and this offseason he'll have his pick of teams to interview.

Bringing him in to give the offense pointers is a good idea. He's a smart guy and MLF trusts him, so he can give MLF plenty of honest feedback on the team that would be very helpful. Self scouting at its best.

As for Hafley, he just had his best game, so maybe this is the best time to bring Saleh in. He shouldn't be looking over his shoulder, and based on MLF's comments he won't have to. Hafley coached with Saleh, so they know each other also. I highly doubt there would be territorial pissing happening in the building. That said, if I'm Hafley and Saleh points something out, I'd at least listen.

I bet Saleh and MLF are trading some "what a weirdo" stories about their mutual former QB.

[Patler]

really, this could be the start of a whole new position, if it doesn't exist already

defensive mind that scouts for the offense and shows them how to attack that D. all while the d-cord is still fully focused on his side of the ball

In McCarthy's last few seasons in GB, during the bye weeks he had the D coaching staff analyze film of the Packer offense and offer criticisms and suggestions; and the O coaching staff do the same for the Packer defense. When he started it, he said they found it extremely enlightening. Seems that the coaches are so consumed by their regular responsibilities that they don't look at the other half of the team after training camp.

[Fritz]

In McCarthy's last few seasons in GB, during the bye weeks he had the D coaching staff analyze film of the Packer offense and offer criticisms and suggestions; and the O coaching staff do the same for the Packer defense. When he started it, he said they found it extremely enlightening. Seems that the coaches are so consumed by their regular responsibilities that they don't look at the other half of the team after training camp.

I watched the video of MLF giving game balls out in the lockerroom after the last game, and I was a bit surprised when he referenced (if I recall correctly) the offense as "us" and the defense as "you." Or words to that effect. The NFL seems very compartmentalized that way.

[bobblehead]

Just one more thought on this. Saleh got fired because he couldn't get the offense right. Its possible he is picking MiLFs brain as well so he is better equipped to hire an OC when he gets another shot at it.

Remember Saleh basically recommended Halfly for the job and they are all friends (although MiLF and Saleh were college roomies so its another level). I don't think anyone is jealous or envious here. All 3 have been/want to again be head coaches. This arrangement puts them all in the best position to succeed. There is good nepotism and bad nepotism in the world. The good kind is when talented people hire people they know well to help the overall success. The other kind is when petty small people hire like minded people so they can heae how smart they are and how dumb others are. I think we have the good kind here.

[Bretsky]

Well damn that’s a fucking awesome nugget!!

Homerism levels are high for me right now. Wonder if this could this be the final sprinkle of salt that brings all the flavor out?


LaFleur and Saleh coached together many many years ago in 2004 at the college level. Became best friends. Saleh reportedly recommended our current DC who is also friends with Saleh.

I know it's unlikely, but let's say our defense really excels and our DC gets a head job. Guess who is primed to step in ? Great move

[run pMc]

LaFleur and Saleh coached together many many years ago in 2004 at the college level. Became best friends. Saleh reportedly recommended our current DC who is also friends with Saleh.

I know it's unlikely, but let's say our defense really excels and our DC gets a head job. Guess who is primed to step in ? Great move

True.
Counterpoint: having your best friend as your boss in a high stress job might not be good for the friendship... or the locker dynamics if the D lays an egg.

All the same, Saleh will get a shot in 2025 at coaching, either as a DC or HC. I wouldn't mind if he were in GB.

[Patler]

Getting Saleh on board has already paid a HUGE reward.

LaFleur said the pass play to Reed that set up the game winning FG was originally suggested by Saleh last Monday after reviewing the Jags D. It was discussed but not included in the game plan. During the game, Vrabel looked at pictures and saw that it would be open because of the way the Jags played the setup play for it. They added the play on the sidelines and had never even practiced it.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

True.
Counterpoint: having your best friend as your boss in a high stress job might not be good for the friendship... or the locker dynamics if the D lays an egg.

All the same, Saleh will get a shot in 2025 at coaching, either as a DC or HC. I wouldn't mind if he were in GB.

Playoffs? Are you fucking kidding me, playoffs?

Fun fact: Mora got canned by the Asses of Indianapolis for refusing to can his BFF, Vic Fangio. Yes, that Fangio y’all had a hard on for.

Nepotism typically produces shit results in the NFL, although the Pussycats of Kentucky woulda won a Super Bowl by now had that coach there hired his FIL, Mike Sherman.

[MadtownPacker]

Nepotism is how you got the job flipping burgers from your uncle Biff. In the NFL, with the stakes so high, I doubt you’re gonna put your friend in there if he isn’t any good. Don’t forget team chemistry is also a big thing so having people you know and that you can work with to create a good environment is beneficial.

Now get my burger that cost more than you make in hour cooked and don’t be spitting on anything cause I’m watching your filthy ass.

[sharpe1027]

Nepotism doesn't require hiring someone you think will do a bad job. You just need to favor them somewhat. It exists everywhere, including the NFL.

[sharpe1027]

Hiring a friend or relative, however, is not nepotism automatically.