THE OFFENSE ..... HMMM

[Bretsky]

OK, let's look at the other side.

We all were googly eyed (myself included) about the offense and many, including me, expected some dominance here.

But it's just not happening at so many levels. Our Red Zone offense kinda sucks. Our 3rd down conversion rate is not stellar. And I don't know where we rank in points per game, but it can't be anywhere near where we were hoping for.

Jordan Love, well he looks more like his Senior year in College than his Junior year. Keep his interception streak going last week to extend it to 8 games. Not a record any of us want. His decision making has been very flawed. JOSH JACOBS, REAL DEAL. Big blessing to nab him in free agency. Our offensive line seems good, but not great overall. Gotta worry about our 1st round pick but time will tell.

The wide receivers.....ya...lots of drops, but the lack of accuracy is not helping them either. Many of those drops are balls behind them, balls too low, and just not that good of throws.

And the crap Red Zone offense, has me really wondering if we DO need a legit #1 WR. I know Romeo whined his way into more targets and looked good for a couple game, but then he was not around last week. Watson has truly been a class act in silently just playing with class. Reed, I'm not sure where he is. Many of us thought after that one killer week he was our guy and a legit guy who can get open anytime needed, but he hasn't been. Wicks has his drops, but some of those passes are not where they should be. As is we seem to have a bunch of good guys.

So what is your view on our offense in week 12 ? I'd probably finish the same as I did with the defense.

RIght now it doesn't seem good enough to make a deep run into the playoffs.

[call_me_ishmael]

Who's better in the NFC though? Detroit? Philly? SF? That's really it AFAICT. They have a punchers chance to get this thing done and get smoked by the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, or Bills.

I really do believe they will finish strong like last year. On Thanksgiving last year is when they finally started clicking and getting their shiz together. I suspect nearly identical thing will happen this year.

It all stems on Wicks. Wicks came out and exploded to finish strong. They need him to do the same thing year. That and AJO was an MVP maniac.

[call_me_ishmael]

They will get rolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJMqeKmIVGM

[CaptainKickass]

They overachieved in the second half of last season. I keep my expectations low to avoid disappointment.

[Joemailman]

About what I expected. They're 4th in yards gained and 8th in points scored. If people thought they would just pick up this year and look like the offense that had a stretch with 21 TD passes and 1 INT like last year, they were expecting too much.

[MadtownPacker]

Disappointment.

I think the main concern for me is that the offense just does not seem in sync. At this point in the season everyone should have their shit together. As the leader of the offense and fresh off the big money a large amount of the blame is on Love.

[Patler]

Fix the red zone offense and, overall, the offense will be everything we hoped it would be. They are:

4th in yards gained
8th in points scored
27th (48.7%) scoring touchdowns on red zone possessions.

Where would they be in points scored if they were in the upper half or upper quarter in scoring TDs in the red zone?

[MadtownPacker]

That’s pretty much it. Love’s sloppy red zone work has been the big factor.

[Patler]

I won't put the blame only on Love. Play calls have been odd, and (that running back they signed to replace whatshisname) seems mostly forgotten in the red zone, even on short yardage.

[Joemailman]

I won't put the blame only on Love. Play calls have been odd, and Lacy seems mostly forgotten in the red zone, even on short yardage.

Lacy? Is he back?

[King Friday]

Give him a few more posts, and Patler will bring back Ahman Green, Dorsey Levens, and Jim Taylor.

[MadtownPacker]

I won't put the blame only on Love. Play calls have been odd, and Lacy seems mostly forgotten in the red zone, even on short yardage.
I would say Lombardi’s red zone play calling is also suspect. What the hell os going on out there!

[Patler]

Sorry, I was reading an article about Lacy when I wrote what I did.
I'll quit posting now, after fixing my post. :-|


I won't put the blame only on Love. Play calls have been odd, and (that running back they signed to replace whatshisname) seems mostly forgotten in the red zone, even on short yardage.

[Fosco33]

That’s pretty much it. Love’s sloppy red zone work has been the big factor.

100% on red zone efficiency.

That and too many drops, too many questionable plays (shotgun draw for 2pt conversion? Too many end arounds).

Why do we almost always run on 2nd and short. It’s a free down… and MLF has a run first approach. We had the ball on Bears 30 - I would thrown it deep 2x and then went for it on 4th. They run and get the lame extra down.

[MadtownPacker]

Sorry, I was reading an article about Lacy when I wrote what I did.
I'll quit posting now. :-|
Ahhh P-Money don’t get mad homie. I do the same thing with the wide receivers group. I knew you meant Jacobs.

[Patler]

Ahhh P-Money don’t get mad homie. I do the same thing with the wide receivers group. I knew you meant Jacobs.

Not mad,...embarassed!

[call_me_ishmael]

It seems like the offensive line isn't nearly as productive this year. Do others have same gut feeling?

[Fosco33]

It seems like the offensive line isn't nearly as productive this year. Do others have same gut feeling?

No. I think the Oline (and running game) has been one of the bright spots on the offense.

[Joemailman]

It seems like the offensive line isn't nearly as productive this year. Do others have same gut feeling?

Packers are 5th in the NFL in rushing and have given up the least amount of sacks. What do you think is lacking?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Packers are 5th in the NFL in rushing and have given up the least amount of sacks. What do you think is lacking?

The starting 5 lack 1st round denotation, supporting the notion that offensive linemen need not be drafted in round 1.

Packers could use King Koopa Dejean right now. But yeah, Jordan Morgan is “him,” eh?

[bobblehead]

Sorry, I was reading an article about Lacy when I wrote what I did.
I'll quit posting now, after fixing my post. :-|

You coined the phrase Patlerized and you gonna quit the first time you get slapped with one? I'm against anyone ever not posting. If it weren't for stupid posts (and errors) no one could ever look smart or get all worked up over an internet thread.

[bobblehead]

No. I think the Oline (and running game) has been one of the bright spots on the offense.

The Oline had been inconsistent and not effective in the Red zone. Solid to good between the 20's.

edit: I'll add in way too penalized.

[Fosco33]

The Oline had been inconsistent and not effective in the Red zone. Solid to good between the 20's.

edit: I'll add in way too penalized.

Yeah. Penalties for sure. I wonder how much of the red zone is on scheme and decisions by Love…

[MadtownPacker]

Not mad,...embarassed!Nah, it is just how Thor feels when someone can pick up Mjölnir.

[QBME]

You coined the phrase Patlerized and you gonna quit the first time you get slapped with one? I'm against anyone ever not posting. If it weren't for stupid posts (and errors) no one could ever look smart or get all worked up over an internet thread.

I can tell you most assuredly that Patler did not in anyway coin the term “Patlerized”. It has it’s origins back in the JSO days and even had a bright red, all caps diagonal stamp that was delivered to deserving posters. I can’t remember who came up with it and issued the rebukes -KY Pack might recall it - but it sure wasn’t Patler, he’s got too much class for it.

So, please, get off your high horse lest someone with a less than perfect line of sight makes an equine anatomy mistaken reference.

[Joemailman]

Nm

[Patler]

It seems like the offensive line isn't nearly as productive this year. Do others have same gut feeling?

Jacobs and Wilson are both averaging 4.8 yds/carry. Love has been sacked 8 times in 8 games, Willis 5 times in 2+ games. Just 13 total sacks so far this year.

I think the o-line is doing its job.

[Patler]

Sorry, I was reading an article about Lacy when I wrote what I did.
I'll quit posting now, after fixing my post. :-|


You coined the phrase Patlerized and you gonna quit the first time you get slapped with one? I'm against anyone ever not posting. If it weren't for stupid posts (and errors) no one could ever look smart or get all worked up over an internet thread.

Well that sure didn't come across as intended! Even editing to reference my correction, changing "Lacy" to: "that running back they signed to replace whatshisname" didn't help!

I meant it like, after saying something stupid, saying; "I'll shut-up now!", not literally!

[Patler]

I can tell you most assuredly that Patler did not in anyway coin the term “Patlerized”. It has it’s origins back in the JSO days and even had a bright red, all caps diagonal stamp that was delivered to deserving posters. I can’t remember who came up with it and issued the rebukes -KY Pack might recall it - but it sure wasn’t Patler, he’s got too much class for it.

So, please, get off your high horse lest someone with a less than perfect line of sight makes an equine anatomy mistaken reference.

I forgot about the red stamp! Of course, I forget lots of things now!

[MadtownPacker]

I didn’t know you started getting high. Finally, we have something in common beside the Pack. :smk:

[sharpe1027]

The offense looked pretty good with Willis.

[ThunderDan]

The offense looked pretty good with Willis.

I commented on this during both games. The Packers running game was different when Willis was in. Different personnel, different running plays.

I said I can’t wait to see Love as QB running this way. Love comes back and we go back to the “old” running game.

Not sure, but I think we had an extra TE or RB in rather than WR when Willis was QB.

[King Friday]

Packers are 5th in the NFL in rushing and have given up the least amount of sacks. What do you think is lacking?

Far too many penalties. Some are their fault (false starts) and some are on others (poor RPO decisions) but this group too often puts us way behind the chains. They have killed numerous drives this season with some really stupid penalties.

[Fosco33]

Far too many penalties. Some are their fault (false starts) and some are on others (poor RPO decisions) but this group too often puts us way behind the chains. They have killed numerous drives this season with some really stupid penalties.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/green-bay-packers?year=2024&view=penalties

[bobblehead]

I can tell you most assuredly that Patler did not in anyway coin the term “Patlerized”. It has it’s origins back in the JSO days and even had a bright red, all caps diagonal stamp that was delivered to deserving posters. I can’t remember who came up with it and issued the rebukes -KY Pack might recall it - but it sure wasn’t Patler, he’s got too much class for it.

So, please, get off your high horse lest someone with a less than perfect line of sight makes an equine anatomy mistaken reference.

I guess I didn't mean coined as much as he was the father of it. I knew the origins though. I haven't been communicating very well lately as has been pointed out to me. I'm working on it.

[bobblehead]

Well that sure didn't come across as intended! Even editing to reference my correction, changing "Lacy" to: "that running back they signed to replace whatshisname" didn't help!

I meant it like, after saying something stupid, saying; "I'll shut-up now!", not literally!

I understood. I was messing with you. As I said, I haven't been conveying my meaning very well lately.

[Patler]

https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/green-bay-packers?year=2024&view=penalties

Not as far from league averages as I would have thought. Looking at the game by game, defense and ST are OK, clear issues with offense, but seem to be getting better.

[sharpe1027]

I commented on this during both games. The Packers running game was different when Willis was in. Different personnel, different running plays.

I said I can’t wait to see Love as QB running this way. Love comes back and we go back to the “old” running game.

Not sure, but I think we had an extra TE or RB in rather than WR when Willis was QB.

Right? Is it because of what Willis brings to the table or because the coaching staff approached the game plan differently? Probably some of both, but I think it's more about the coaching decisions.

[QBME]

I guess I didn't mean coined as much as he was the father of it. I knew the origins though. I haven't been communicating very well lately as has been pointed out to me. I'm working on it.

No worries.

Don't let the bastards wear you down.

[ThunderDan]

Right? Is it because of what Willis brings to the table or because the coaching staff approached the game plan differently? Probably some of both, but I think it's more about the coaching decisions.

I agree. Willis doesn’t have the time in the offense and brings a different skill set. It would be stupid to have the same game plan with both QBs.

But some of the running plays were excellent when Willis was in. The other team knew we were running and we still pushed it down their throat.

[call_me_ishmael]

Alright fair points about the offensive line. Maybe I am wrong. I wonder why the offense seems so much more a struggle compared to late last year. Soemthing just seems off to me.

[Patler]

Alright fair points about the offensive line. Maybe I am wrong. I wonder why the offense seems so much more a struggle compared to late last year. Soemthing just seems off to me.

If they had more red zone success, you probably would not feel that way.

[ThunderDan]

If they had more red zone success, you probably would not feel that way.

Bingo!!

Better red zone and Love not turning the ball over every game would make the offense close to Det.

[Joemailman]

Bingo!!

Better red zone and Love not turning the ball over every game would make the offense close to Det.

Packers were 3/5 in the red zone last week against the NFL's #1 red zone defense, so they may be turning it around. This is the time of year things turned last year.

[MadtownPacker]

Packers were 3/5 in the red zone last week against the NFL's #1 red zone defense, so they may be turning it around. This is the time of year things turned last year.
Last year they were a young team getting to know each other. I don’t think that excuse applies this season.

[Joemailman]

Last year they were a young team getting to know each other. I don’t think that excuse applies this season.

For whatever reason, MLF's teams play better late. 25-5 in regular season from Thanksgiving on.

[bobblehead]

Love did line up under center more in this game. We still need to run more play action. With all the data available that has coaches making stupid decisions going for it in situations where failure swings games I would think the monstrous amount of data showing play action success just might influence a run first offense (which we are) to run it a little more often.

[MadtownPacker]

For whatever reason, MLF's teams play better late. 25-5 in regular season from Thanksgiving on.
The weather becomes so bad he doesn’t care about his hair and focuses on game planning? Something to consider.

[George Cumby]

Love did line up under center more in this game. We still need to run more play action. With all the data available that has coaches making stupid decisions going for it in situations where failure swings games I would think the monstrous amount of data showing play action success just might influence a run first offense (which we are) to run it a little more often.

I noticed that as well. Surprise, surprise, the running game improved.

[Joemailman]

Love being under Center more may mean he is finally getting fully healthy.

[RandsRevenge]

Last year they were a young team getting to know each other. I don’t think that excuse applies this season.

I don't think they use "getting to know you" as an excuse so much as a modus operandi.

The defense was rebuilt with a new coordinator, new leader, and 2-4 rookies.

The base offense has another year of seasoning, but has significant new parts, and contended with an injured QB and a late backup replacement.

Only the LA rams were younger this season.

The Flower Power coaching strategy has been to build during the season to the best play at the end.

Getting to know all about them.