Official 2025 Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

Current NFL draft order. 19-32 depends on playoff results.

1 Jaguars 2-10
2 Raiders 2-10
3 Giants 2-10
4 Patriots 3-10
5 Panthers 3-9
6 Jets 3-9
7 Titans 3-9
8 Browns 3-9
9 Saints 4-8
10 Bengals 4-8
11 Bears 4-8
12 Dolphins 5-7
13 Cowboys 5-7
14 49ers 5-7
15 Colts 6-7
16 Buccaneers 6-6
17 Rams 6-6
18 Cardinals 6-6
19 Falcons 6-6
20 Seahawks 7-5
21 Commanders 8-5
22 Texans 8-5
23 Broncos 8-5
24 Ravens 8-5
25 Chargers 8-4
26 Steelers 9-3
27 Packers 9-3
28 Vikings 10-2
29 Eagles 10-2
30 Bills 10-2
31 Chiefs 11-1
32 Lions 11-1

[run pMc]

I feel pretty strongly that Gute will go defense early - DL or CB, specifically.
Slaton is a FA and Clark is aging. Plus the edge rushers aren't getting home. I partly blame Rebrovich for that, and I also think they don't quite have all the right pieces up front for a predominantly 4-3 Hafley D.
At CB, Nixon has been ok but I think they can and should better as your consistent outside starter. Jaire is very very good when healthy, but he's never going to be fully healthy.

[Joemailman]

Tankathon currently has 14 CB's in their top 100, 9 DL and 20 Edge. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/big_board

[Joemailman]

Tankathon's current 3 round Packer mock draft.

(26) Benjamin Morrison - CB - Notre Dame

(58) Kyle Kennard - EDGE - South Carolina

(90) Kiran Lucy - WR - LSU

[run pMc]

A little early for me to focus on specific players, but I don't get the sense this is as good a class as '23 or '24. I do think GB needs help at CB and especially pass rush.

[sharpe1027]

It'll be interesting to see whether they use their cap room more for free agency or to resign the young players coming to the end of their rookie contracts.

That might change what they need.

[Sparkey]

I am not as down on their edge players as most. Their biggest need on defense the defensive interior. Even when they get a pass rush from the outside it is way to easy for qb's to step up in the pocket. I don't care how good a coverage db is. When an opposing qb gets 3 plus seconds to throw it is almost impossible to stop an offense.

[mgordo]

I am not as down on their edge players as most. Their biggest need on defense the defensive interior. Even when they get a pass rush from the outside it is way to easy for qb's to step up in the pocket. I don't care how good a coverage db is. When an opposing qb gets 3 plus seconds to throw it is almost impossible to stop an offense.

How about they find Vince Wilfork 2.0 ?

[Willard]

I am not as down on their edge players as most. Their biggest need on defense the defensive interior. Even when they get a pass rush from the outside it is way to easy for qb's to step up in the pocket. I don't care how good a coverage db is. When an opposing qb gets 3 plus seconds to throw it is almost impossible to stop an offense.
The NFL network just replayed the divisional round playoff win against Seattle in MLF’s first season (2019). It was striking how explosive Kenny Clark seemed in that game to five years later. The treads are showing the mileage so I agree interior DL is needed.

[Fritz]

I think that Gute’s going to pull a 1990’s Ron Wolf move and draft a ton of DB’s to try to “fix” the position (though he probably won’t go first-three-picks-in-a-row).

[Joemailman]

I think that Gute’s going to pull a 1990’s Ron Wolf move and draft a ton of DB’s to try to “fix” the position (though he probably won’t go first-three-picks-in-a-row).

Last year he drafted safeties 2-4-5. Might see something like that.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Trade up for Travis Hunter!

[run pMc]

Trade up for Travis Hunter!

Yes, Gute would obviously trade every pick he has a la Ricky Williams to get the top pick and take Hunter. Thank you for the laugh. :)

Hunter is a talented dude though. I guess you can dream.

[Joemailman]

Raiders won today so Giants have #1 draft position. Raiders dropped all the down to #6. Giants are 2-13. 5 teams are 3-12.

[run pMc]

Giants are a trashfire and there aren't any bonafide first pick QBs; if I'm NYG I trade down to stockpile picks, rebuild the trenches, and sign a retread QB like Kirk or Darnold and try to find a QB next year. Or just keep tanking.

They probably need a new GM and maybe HC too, keeping Jones over Barkley has haunted them all year. A few scenes from Hard Knocks make them look... not good.

[Joemailman]

Giants drop out of #1 pick by beating Colts. Patriots now #1, Titans #2.

[Joemailman]

1. New England Patriots (3-13)

2. Tennessee Titans (3-13)

3. Cleveland Browns (3-13)

4. New York Giants (3-13)

5. Jacksonville Jaguars (4-12)

6. Carolina Panthers (4-12)

7. New York Jets (4-12)

8. Las Vegas Raiders (4-12)

9. Chicago Bears (4-12)

10. New Orleans Saints (5-11)

[Joemailman]

1. Tennessee Titans (3-14)

2. Cleveland Browns (3-14)

3. New York Giants (3-14)

4. New England Patriots (4-13)

5. Jacksonville Jaguars (4-13)

6. Las Vegas Raiders (4-13)

7. New York Jets (5-12)

8. Carolina Panthers (5-12)

9. New Orleans Saints (5-12)

10. Chicago Bears (5-12)

11. San Francisco 49ers (6-11)

12. Dallas Cowboys (7-10)

13. Miami Dolphins (8-9)

14. Indianapolis Colts (8-9)

15. Atlanta Falcons (8-9)

16. Arizona Cardinals (8-9)

17. Cincinnati Bengals (9-8)

18. Seattle Seahawks (10-7)

[Bretsky]

Guessing we draft all defense again because our offense is pretty unstoppable

[Joemailman]

Guessing we draft all defense again because our offense is pretty unstoppable

Not sure what you mean by all defense again. Last year their 1st round pick was on offense, and the year before both their 2nd round picks were on offense. But I do think CB is biggest need, assuming Jaire won't be back.

[Joemailman]

Bears dropped from 6 to 10 by beating Packers. I expect them to go OL in 1st round, although Edge can't be ruled out.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hi,
I assume the Packers have to address their lack of impact corners on their roster. I can't see them taking the cap hit on Alexander, but they have to recognize that counting on him to be on the field is unsustainable. They have to build depth at this position so they do not have to entrust in him actually playing.

[beveaux1]

The injury to Watson, if it’s as expected, makes drafting a WR that can take the top off a defense a priority.

CB, WR, and edge rusher might be the top priorities. I expect they’ll rebuild the CB position to allow man to man defense and I expect Jaire will be released. DL may also be on the table, but I don’t think it’s as big a need as the other positions.

[Joemailman]

Hi,
I assume the Packers have to address their lack of impact corners on their roster. I can't see them taking the cap hit on Alexander, but they have to recognize that counting on him to be on the field is unsustainable. They have to build depth at this position so they do not have to entrust in him actually playing.

I think maybe they do take the dead cap hit, even though they're already going to have about 18 million dead cap. It will save them 7 million on the cap and move on. They could also cut/trade him with June 1 designation and have 8 million dead cap and save 17.5 on the cap.

[Teamcheez1]

The injury to Watson, if it’s as expected, makes drafting a WR that can take the top off a defense a priority.

CB, WR, and edge rusher might be the top priorities. I expect they’ll rebuild the CB position to allow man to man defense and I expect Jaire will be released. DL may also be on the table, but I don’t think it’s as big a need as the other positions.

I think you’re spot on. WR is definitely on the table.
Also might add LB as we are a little thin there. Throw in another OL and we would have a good draft.

[ThunderDan]

We need to address CB & DL.

Need help on OL & WR. Need more depth at LB. A dominate edge would really help the team if one is left where we draft.

[King Friday]

I think WR is a priority, specifically someone capable of beating man defense.
I think CB is a priority, because it basically always is.
I think DEs that are strong 4-3 prospects are also top priority.
I would like to see one of these areas addressed through free agency, which has been a strong suit of Gute so far.

[texaspackerbacker]

Taking multiple Corners is the top priority. We aren't that bad anywhere else. A fast WR maybe - if Watson is badly messed up, maybe even if he's not, given his history

[run pMc]

Agree CB is a problem, but I think figuring out their pass rush issues might be the priority, then the CBs. If they let Jaire and Stokes go then that changes.

They feasted against TEN and SEA, and were ranked about 22nd in pass rush against everyone else. That's not gonna get it done no matter who is covering receivers. It's definitely not going to get it done in the playoffs, where the best teams have good OL and QBs.

I assume they will draft 2 CBs, if they do I hope they have good agility because that's what beats them (Jefferson, Addison, St. Brown, DJ Moore). Not saying I want LaDarius Gunter slow corners, but I don't want guys who are only fast in a straight line either.

[Ratatouille]

Taking multiple Corners is the top priority. We aren't that bad anywhere else. A fast WR maybe - if Watson is badly messed up, maybe even if he's not, given his history

Watson's injury is being reported as a torn ACL. Maybe he just doesn't have a body built for the NFL.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/43311095/source-initial-tests-show-packers-wr-christian-watson-tore-acl

WRs are always a need - it's a passing league and a WR should be taken at some point in just about every draft

[run pMc]

WRs are always a need - it's a passing league and a WR should be taken at some point in just about every draft

100% agree.
Also think that applies to CB and OL. You're always going to need a bunch, the top ones are expensive, and they get hurt.

[Teamcheez1]

Watson is supposed to be the receiver that takes the top off the defense and opens up the passing game. It’s hard to measure his impact on the other receivers, but his statistics are not overwhelming.
Looking at his stats, he caught 29 passes this year and 28 last season.
He did average 21.4 yards per reception this year for 620 yards.
In three years he hasn’t developed into that #1 receiver.
Could he? Maybe.
But now we are faced with a mostly lost 2025 season and a contract year.
We can replace his numbers with development, coaching, and scheme, plus the draft, and maybe free agency.
Not to be too harsh, but he is not irreplaceable.

[MadtownPacker]

“With the 32nd pick of the NFL draft the Green Bay Packers select… WR…..”

[sharpe1027]

Bears dropped from 6 to 10 by beating Packers. I expect them to go OL in 1st round, although Edge can't be ruled out.

Losing to them was all part of the master plan.

[sharpe1027]

Cut Jaire and sign D.J. Reed. Draft a stud WR in round 1.

[sharpe1027]

“With the 32nd pick of the NFL draft the Green Bay Packers select… WR…..”
I'll have what he's smoking!

[MadtownPacker]

I'll have what he's smoking!
What the fudge… you already admitting defeat?? Can’t be having that shizzle.

[ThunderDan]

“With the 32nd pick of the NFL draft the Green Bay Packers select… WR…..”
Trade back into the top of the 2nd and draft the next DeVante or Jordy.

[Joemailman]

Trade back into the top of the 2nd and draft the next DeVante or Jordy.

Packers are hosting the draft. They will make a 1st round pick.

[MadtownPacker]

Packers are hosting the draft. They will make a 1st round pick.
Damn that’s being a gracious host right there mofo. But it make sense especially the first time ever.

[sharpe1027]

What the fudge… you already admitting defeat?? Can’t be having that shizzle.

Hell no. I want in on the optimism. Whatever it takes.

[MadtownPacker]

Hell no. I want in on the optimism. Whatever it takes.You will need to get green inside….

https://media0.giphy.com/media/tJ3HEIa4g8eteE6TPQ/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952qaltk9tuq5xg9bds97qasub3qubdu 4fhh8cgwv8e&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif

[run pMc]

Cut Jaire and sign D.J. Reed. Draft a stud WR in round 1.

Reed is another little CB (5'9" 190) and 4 months older than Jaire, and will cost $15M a year at least.
Maybe Gute likes him, maybe Saleh puts in a good word, IDK.

I wonder if Jaire's injuries might scare the personnel dept off smaller CBs. Smaller CBs are more likely to get bullied by bigger receivers, and hurt in run support.
To be fair, Jaire has an injury history going back to college, so if he's hurt now is it really that surprising?

Don't know if there's a R1 WR worth taking in the 20's, haven't looked that closely, but I doubt there's a Brian Thomas out there. I get the impression that this draft's WRs are not nearly as good as last year's. I think Gute goes pass rush early anyway, EDGE depth is reportedly good.

[Joemailman]

Packers currently with 24th pick. Could draft as early as 22nd if Commanders and Vikings lose.

[beveaux1]

Packers currently with 24th pick. Could draft as early as 22nd if Commanders and Vikings lose.
Don’t they have to win?

[Bretsky]

Don’t they have to win?

WE want the teams with the bad record to win so they we jump them in their spot.

Last year's playoff run for GB screwed us draft pick wise and then we got stuck with Morgan instead of a better player a few picks earlier

[Joemailman]

With the Vikings losing, the Packers will draft 23rd and Vikings 24th.

The last Packers #23 pick was Bryan Bulaga in 2010.

[call_me_ishmael]

With the Vikings losing, the Packers will draft 23rd and Vikings 24th.

The last Packers #23 pick was Bryan Bulaga in 2010.

I wouldn't mind seeing an identical type of pick. 9 year starter for the G&G at RT, move Zach Tom to center. They need a RG then LFG.

[Deputy Nutz]

No to offensive line in the first round, two years of back to back first round picks reminds me of Michaels and then Verba. We don't need front end starters for the offensive line, draft and develop.

Packers are letting Stokes walk to free agency, after yesterday's comments Alexander is all but gone with the Packers eating his remaining cap hit in 2025 and 2026. Nixon may think he is a CB1, but he is delusional. Valentine is a very decent backup and possible starter but not elite. The Packers have to go heavy in the draft on corner. There are available free agents, most will be resigned by their own teams, so probably what will be available will be stop gap guys and one year 30+ year olds.
1. Corner
2. WR
3. DL
4. OL

[Joemailman]

Partly because I'm a lifelong Notre Dame fan, CB Benjamin Morrison is my draft crush for the Packers. He's out with a hip injury, but he was a starter as a true freshman, intercepting 6 passes in 2022.

Benjamin Morrison, CB, Notre Dame
Size:

Height: 6’0” (v) | Weight: 186 lbs (v)

Accomplishments:

Jim Thorpe Award Semifinalist (2023) • Freshman All-American (2022)

“Benjamin Morrison is a technically elite corner who projects as a long-term core contributor for an NFL defense.”

Strengths:

Elite technician

Patience

Alpha on the outside

Length

Concerns:

Pursuit angles vs. run

Occasionally will sit on his heels for extended periods

Stack/shed to counter run/screens

Film Analysis:

Benjamin Morrison is a technically elite corner who projects as a long-term core contributor for an NFL defense. He aligns both as a field and boundary corner, wherever the top wideout for the opposition aligns before the snap.

In man coverage, Morrison showcases elite technique to consistently shut down the target in front of him. Can cover wideouts in press and from depth with an innate ability to put his body in between the receiver and the football. Starts in a low base with his eyes centered on the hips of the wide receiver. Smooth yet rapid backpedal that covers ground quickly but has the change of direction to accelerate toward the football.

Morrison is extremely comfortable playing inside the contact window and is someone who plays at his own tempo on the perimeter. Meaning that he is never rushed and his technique will rarely waver on the outside. Can stay in the hip pocket of quicker, twitchier wideouts (USC), along with larger, more physical pass-catchers (Ohio State vs. Marvin Harrison Jr.). Morrison has been rarely tested down the field in his two years at Notre Dame, but he has the instincts, body positioning, and eyes to make plays on the football. Excellent down the far hashes where he will use the sideline as an extra defender, squeezing opponents into minimal space to operate. He’s a high-level competitor who takes each rep personally. Morrison’s combination of awareness, athleticism, and technique has the potential to evolve into a shutdown type of man corner at the next level.

In zone, Morrison thrives as a communicator and downhill defender. Showcases a pure Cover 3 type of body that is a nightmare to target against. He’s a leader on the backend who understands offensive concepts and the spacing of offensive route concepts (Clemson). Extremely fluid hips to turn and run, and Morrison touts the rapid foot turnover to quickly work up to speed on vertical shots. He’s best, however, working at minimal depth where he will smother wideouts with his length and technique to eliminate pass-catchers from the progression.

Concerns remain minimal in Morrison’s game. However, he has room to get stronger and work on his technique as a run defender and in the open field as a tackler (Ohio State).

Overall, Morrison remains in the conversation to be the top corner taken in the 2025 NFL Draft due to his elite technique, man coverage ability, and fundamental potential to become a shutdown type of defender at the next level.

Prospect Projection: Day 1 — Rare, All-Pro

Written By: Ryan Fowler

Exposures: Ohio State (2023), Clemson (2023), USC (2023)

[SudsMcBucky]

Partly because I'm a lifelong Notre Dame fan, [/I]

:cry::cry::cry:

[MadScientist]

We've had enough problems with injured CBs. And fuck any college that has a Dan Devine statue.

[Joemailman]

We've had enough problems with injured CBs. And fuck any college that has a Dan Devine statue.

On the other hand, Notre Dame did provide Wisconsin with Barry Alvarez.

[MadScientist]

On the other hand, Notre Dame did provide Wisconsin with Barry Alvarez.

Don't care about UW or Alvarez, so Notre Dame can still go fuck itself.

[Joemailman]

At https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/ they have Shavon Revel - CB - East Carolina as Packers most likely 1st round pick. Next Denzel Burke - CB - Ohio St., then Benjamin Morrison - CB - Notre Dame. Burke would seem to be a reach.

[Spaulding]

Circling back to the posts on Jaire, he's only two years removed from All Pro I believe and still young (27). I realize he's been oft injured the past two years and somewhat of a drama queen but a fresh start I think would be appealing for both sides. Given that and his reasonable contract (16mil for 2025 and 18mil for 2026) I'd think we could trade him. Stretching this wishful thinking a bit further, I wonder if we could package him with LVN and draft pick(s) for Crosby or Garrett? Hoping Christmas comes early for a rusher in trade or FA and a high CB and WR prospect. Texas might have both in Barron and Bond in our early rounds.

[run pMc]

What would you want in return for Crosby?
What would you give up for Jaire and his contract, given his injury history (which goes back to college)?

Trading Jaire would likely not be for much, I think Jalen Ramsey got a R3 pick from MIA and he's as good and healthier. Gute isn't going to give up on LVN after two seasons. Not saying I'd be against it, just think a trade is highly unlikely and a lot of ducks have to be aligned just right.

I am 99% certain Gute will draft defense in R1, whether it's DE or DT to juice the pass rush or at CB to stabilize outside corner.

They have to get after the QB better. They took a big step back this year - I want to blame Rebrovich for that, I don't know what else to attribute it to. Trouble acclimating to the 4-3 switch? They should have acclimated once the bye came around. Nope. Something stinks there. Too much bull rushing, nobody can run the loop with speed and bend. A great pass rush can hide middling CBs, with X at safety he can help erase mistakes as well. We saw what LAR did to Darnold, we couldn't come close to that. Players who have a couple of moves and can pass rush (not 9.8 RAS athletes who only bull rush) are needed. Hafley is probably begging Gute for pass rush.

Nixon played better than I thought he would this year - he was better than average - but I don't think you want him as your CB1. Valentine has talent but he's a knucklehead. You can't count on Jaire, and this is not a great draft class for healthy R1 CB talent - I think last year's class was better actually. I'd like to see them go after a different kind of athlete at CB than straight line speedsters like Stokes and Valentine. I think they need guys with better hip flexibility and agility to handle the likes of DJ Moore, Jefferson, Addison, and St. Brown. They (barely) went 1-5 in their own division, 0-3 at home. That's.... unacceptable. Having guys with the agility to stick in coverage would go a long way towards changing that.

OL and WR are going to be areas they look to shore up. Watson will be on the PUP, who knows what's up with Doubs.

[Deputy Nutz]

Funny, the Packers pass rush was way down this year compared to last year. I really thought they did an overall better job at rushing the passer. Kenny Clark's pass rush numbers completely fell of the table from last year. He went from 7.5 last year to 1 this year. Also Preston Smith's only had 2.5 sacks before being traded. and Gary had 1.5 less than last year. I don't think adding a pass rusher in the first round is the ticket though. They are really young on the edge with Gary being the oldest at 27 years old. I think they could address it in free agency but getting younger and waiting for pass rushers to develop is playing the long game.

There is a fine group of corners in this draft. It all depends on how well they run though, Kalen King is a great example, he was a day 2 pick all the way up until the combine and he ran a 4.6 and he dropped off the face of the earth.

There is also a bunch of them that are over 6'1" which could be a blessing or a curse.
Travis Hunter Colorado
Will Johnson Michigan
Jadee Baron Texas
Shavon Revel Jr Eastern Carolina * 6'3"
Benji Morrison Notre Dame
Trey Amos Ol'e Miss
Denzel Burke Ohio St
Davison Igbinosun Ohio St * 6'2"
Zy Alexander LSU * 6'2"
Darien Porter Iowa St * 6'4"
Maxwell Harrison Kentucky
Azareye'h Thomas FSU * 6'2"
Daylen Everette Georgia

[Joemailman]

Kevin King has made me nervous about "too tall" corners.

[run pMc]

Funny, the Packers pass rush was way down this year compared to last year. I really thought they did an overall better job at rushing the passer. Kenny Clark's pass rush numbers completely fell of the table from last year. He went from 7.5 last year to 1 this year. Also Preston Smith's only had 2.5 sacks before being traded. and Gary had 1.5 less than last year. I don't think adding a pass rusher in the first round is the ticket though. They are really young on the edge with Gary being the oldest at 27 years old. I think they could address it in free agency but getting younger and waiting for pass rushers to develop is playing the long game.

There is a fine group of corners in this draft. It all depends on how well they run though, Kalen King is a great example, he was a day 2 pick all the way up until the combine and he ran a 4.6 and he dropped off the face of the earth.

There is also a bunch of them that are over 6'1" which could be a blessing or a curse.
Travis Hunter Colorado
Will Johnson Michigan
Jadee Baron Texas
Shavon Revel Jr Eastern Carolina * 6'3"
Benji Morrison Notre Dame
Trey Amos Ol'e Miss
Denzel Burke Ohio St
Davison Igbinosun Ohio St * 6'2"
Zy Alexander LSU * 6'2"
Darien Porter Iowa St * 6'4"
Maxwell Harrison Kentucky
Azareye'h Thomas FSU * 6'2"
Daylen Everette Georgia

Agree drafting is playing the long game. Kingsley's got one year left and they traded Preston so they will need to do something. Maybe they look at IDL for pass rush and hope for continued development? I think that would be negligent, they feasted against TEN and SEA and were below average against everyone else. If they don't draft someone, they will have to bring in a FA, not sure how good the FA DE/EDGE group.

I haven't started looking at the CBs closely, but just based on how others have described them (along with likelihood they will be available for GB to draft) I like Morrison, Amos and Hairston. They're all at least 5-11 and have good production. I don't want a Stokes or Kevin King clone. They need corners who can change direction quickly. Agree on no tall corners, I think a corner bigger than 6-2 is going to have problems in coverage, might as well make them a safety or coverage LB lol. Tall corners that can cover are unicorns.

Would not be surprised if they draft a DL (either DT or DE) to juice pass rush, and then go CB in R2.

[Deputy Nutz]

Edge Rushers in 2025 draft, So far I don't think it is a top heavy group -3 to 5 legit first rounders.

Top Ten(ish)
Abdul Carter - Top 10 pick
Princely Umanmielen - Don't know how you lived this long with that first name, Ole Miss - Top 40
Jame Pierce - Tenn, Top 15 pick
Jack Sawyer -OSU, Top 40 pick
Mykel Williams - Georgia - Top 15 Pick
Shemar Stewart - TA&M - Top 50
Nic Scourton - TA&M - Top 25
JT Tuimoloau - OSU - Top 50
Landon Jackson - ARK - Top 50
Mike Green - Marshall - Top 40
Josiah Stewart - UM - Top 75
LT Overton - Alabama - Top 50
Braydn Swinson - LSU - Top 50
Kyle Kennard - SC - Top 50

[call_me_ishmael]

My uninformed speculation is this is a bad draft. Tough year to be picking at the top. Not a single game changing QB. What do others think about that?

[Deputy Nutz]

Lots of QB's went in the first round of last years draft, not shocked you would see a drop this year in the position.

[run pMc]

My uninformed speculation is this is a bad draft. Tough year to be picking at the top. Not a single game changing QB. What do others think about that?

Early in the draft eval process, really doesn't pick up until after combine when measurements and medicals get leaked, and the press catches up with what the scouts think.

I do agree that this is not a great draft overall, my guess is most teams will have at most 20 players with a R1 grade, but that's not unusual.
I do think it's a good draft for DL and RB. The rest, is pretty meh. Many recent drafts have had good WR classes, I'm not so sure about this year. You won't see as many OL go in R1 this year either. Last year I think IND picked the first defensive player (Laitu?) in the teens, that won't happen this year for sure.

GB picking 23 will probably take someone a large group of fans will hate because "they coulda taken him later" but really late R1 and R2 isn't going to be much different. If they get their guy and he pans out, great. Gute just needs to nail the pick for once.
And no, they aren't trading it away for MaXXXine Crosby, not when they are hosting the draft.

[MadtownPacker]

I don’t know man. I would be cool with Crosby over some potential bust.

[Joemailman]

Tankathon Top 100 sorted by number of players at each position group:
(Somehow numbers add up to 105. Might be some players listed at 2 positions)

QB: 4
RB: 7
WR: 14
TE: 5
OT: 14
IOL: 6
DL: 11
EDGE: 19
LB: 5
CB: 13
S: 7

[Fritz]

What would you want in return for Crosby?
What would you give up for Jaire and his contract, given his injury history (which goes back to college)?

Trading Jaire would likely not be for much, I think Jalen Ramsey got a R3 pick from MIA and he's as good and healthier. Gute isn't going to give up on LVN after two seasons. Not saying I'd be against it, just think a trade is highly unlikely and a lot of ducks have to be aligned just right.

I am 99% certain Gute will draft defense in R1, whether it's DE or DT to juice the pass rush or at CB to stabilize outside corner.

They have to get after the QB better. They took a big step back this year - I want to blame Rebrovich for that, I don't know what else to attribute it to. Trouble acclimating to the 4-3 switch? They should have acclimated once the bye came around. Nope. Something stinks there. Too much bull rushing, nobody can run the loop with speed and bend. A great pass rush can hide middling CBs, with X at safety he can help erase mistakes as well. We saw what LAR did to Darnold, we couldn't come close to that. Players who have a couple of moves and can pass rush (not 9.8 RAS athletes who only bull rush) are needed. Hafley is probably begging Gute for pass rush.

Nixon played better than I thought he would this year - he was better than average - but I don't think you want him as your CB1. Valentine has talent but he's a knucklehead. You can't count on Jaire, and this is not a great draft class for healthy R1 CB talent - I think last year's class was better actually. I'd like to see them go after a different kind of athlete at CB than straight line speedsters like Stokes and Valentine. I think they need guys with better hip flexibility and agility to handle the likes of DJ Moore, Jefferson, Addison, and St. Brown. They (barely) went 1-5 in their own division, 0-3 at home. That's.... unacceptable. Having guys with the agility to stick in coverage would go a long way towards changing that.

OL and WR are going to be areas they look to shore up. Watson will be on the PUP, who knows what's up with Doubs.

This seems to make sense to me, this post. One issue that presents itself, though, is that at least at the corner position, and possibly on the offensive line, they'll need two bodies each.

So - two corners, two offensive linemen, at least one WR, one defensive lineman (I would say interior), one linebacker. That's seven picks.

[Joemailman]

Bears, Packers, Vikings and Lions will pick 10, 23, 24, and 28.

[MadtownPacker]

Bears, Packers, Vikings and Lions will pick 10, 23, 24, and 28.
Bears were finally the only winner in the division! :lol:

[sharpe1027]

This seems to make sense to me, this post. One issue that presents itself, though, is that at least at the corner position, and possibly on the offensive line, they'll need two bodies each.

So - two corners, two offensive linemen, at least one WR, one defensive lineman (I would say interior), one linebacker. That's seven picks.

All teams have holes.

[Joemailman]

All teams have holes.

But some teams have more 'holes than others.

[run pMc]

Yes, and I expect Gute to use both the draft and free agency to address roster holes, or in GB's case, weaknesses.

[sharpe1027]

But some teams have more 'holes than others.

Yeah. Also, some teams have holes that are much deeper than others. We have a lot of holes, but they're not as deep as other teams. They won't fill them all, but they really don't need to in order to have a shot.

[Joemailman]

Mel Kiper’s 2025 Mock Draft

Titans: Cam Ward, QB, Miami (1st on consensus draft board)
Browns: Travis Hunter, CB, Colorado (3rd)
Giants: Shedeur Sanders, QB, Colorado (2nd)
Patriots: Abdul Carter, ED, Penn State (4th)
Jaguars: Mason Graham, DL, Michigan (5th)
Raiders: Tetairoa McMillan, WR, Arizona (7th)
Jets: Mykel Williams, ED, Georgia (10th)
Panthers: Jalon Walker, ED/LB, Georgia (16th)
Saints: Will Johnson, CB, Michigan (6th)
Bears: Will Campbell, OL, LSU (8th)
49ers: Kelvin Banks Jr., OL, Texas (9th)
Cowboys: Luther Burden III, WR, Missouri (14th)
Dolphins: Malaki Starks, S, Georgia (12th)
Colts: Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State (15th)
Falcons: Shemar Stewart, ED, Texas A&M (25th)
Cardinals: Tyler Booker, OL, Alabama (27th)
Bengals: Jihaad Campbell, LB, Alabama (34th)
Seahawks: Armand Membou, OL, Missouri (36th)
Buccaneers: Nick Emmanwori, S, South Carolina (42nd)
Broncos: Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise State (11th)
Steelers: Emeka Egbuka, WR, Ohio State (22nd)
Chargers: Colston Loveland, TE, Michigan (19th)
Packers: Mike Green, ED, Marshall (32nd)
Vikings: Benjamin Morrison, CB, Notre Dame (21st)
Texans: Josh Simmons, OL, Ohio State (18th)
Rams: Josh Conerly Jr., OL, Oregon (30th)
Ravens: Shavon Revel Jr., CB, East Carolina (23rd)
Lions: James Pearce Jr., ED, Tennessee (13th)
Commanders: Nic Scourton, ED, Texas A&M (17th)
Bills: Maxwell Hairston, CB, Kentucky (56th)
Chiefs: Walter Nolen, DL, Ole Miss (28th)
Eagles: Kenneth Grant, DL, Michigan (20th)

[Fritz]

"Packers: Mike Green, ED, Marshall (32nd)"

ED? Does he suffer from Erectile Dysfunction?

Man, I'm losing my grasp on the new terms. What's a "ED"? Is that the new lingo for what was "EDGE"?

[Joemailman]

It would be interesting to see if Gute would go for a guy like Green. He's about 25 pounds lighter than Gary and LVN. He had 17 sacks for Marshall in 2024.

[Bretsky]

It would be interesting to see if Gute would go for a guy like Green. He's about 25 pounds lighter than Gary and LVN. He had 17 sacks for Marshall in 2024.


What is his RAS score ? If that JAG from Iowa woudn't have killed it there he would not be a Packer

[call_me_ishmael]

I think 7 is gonna be a pass rushing OLB next year. That or 56.

[Joemailman]

I think 7 is gonna be a pass rushing OLB next year. That or 56.

They will be the Mike and Will LB's next year. They may occasionally line up as EDGE rushers in passing situations. You may see them blitzing more from their LB position.

[call_me_ishmael]

I could also see them realistically moving Quay to DE. He seems to have pretty bad instincts, and his athleticism is off the charts. Maybe he gets the reverse Mike Neal.

[Joemailman]

Drafttek's latest Packer mock draft. https://www.drafttek.com/2025-NFL-Draft-Team-Pages/Packers-Draft-Page.asp

23 Jahdaue Barron - CB - Texas 5-11, 192

54 Jack Sawyer - DE - Ohio St. 6-4, 267

87 Armand Membou - G - Missouri 6-3, 314

123 Matthew Golden - WR - Texas 6-0, 190

158 Ozzy Trapilo - OT - Boston College 6-8, 309

197 Darius Alexander - DL - Toledo 6-4, 310

250 Jeffrey Bassa - LB - Oregon 6-1, 235

[Joemailman]

Texas A&M defensive lineman Shemar Turner has withdrawn from the Senior Bowl.

It was discovered that the stress fracture he had surgery to repair before the start of the season didn’t fully heal, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. Turner had a rod inserted into his leg during surgery, but he unknowingly ended up playing through the season with the injury after the bone didn’t fully heal.

He has been advised to have no impact on his leg for 3-4 weeks to let the bone heal, per Rapoport.

Turner will conduct Scouting Combine interviews in Indianapolis next month and plans to perform at his Pro Day in March.

He is expected to be a top-50 pick.

He's been mentioned as a possible 1st round pick for the Packers.

[MadScientist]

That's a long time for it to go without fully healing. The Packers haven't had good luck with injured high-round draft picks. Let someone else take him.

[Joemailman]

That's a long time for it to go without fully healing. The Packers haven't had good luck with injured high-round draft picks. Let someone else take him.

He'd be a controversial pick at 23 anyway. Explosive guy who gets pressure but has trouble finishing on pass rush. 4.5 sacks in 3 years. Now if he falls to 2nd round...

[run pMc]

Drafttek's latest Packer mock draft. https://www.drafttek.com/2025-NFL-Draft-Team-Pages/Packers-Draft-Page.asp

23 Jahdaue Barron - CB - Texas 5-11, 192

54 Jack Sawyer - DE - Ohio St. 6-4, 267

87 Armand Membou - G - Missouri 6-3, 314

123 Matthew Golden - WR - Texas 6-0, 190

158 Ozzy Trapilo - OT - Boston College 6-8, 309

197 Darius Alexander - DL - Toledo 6-4, 310

250 Jeffrey Bassa - LB - Oregon 6-1, 235



This is kind of funny. For example, Golden and Membou are talked about by draftniks as a top 50 guys. I suspect this is a case of media not catching up to the scouts yet. It's all speculation, but there's some fun in that for sure. I'll wait a week after the combine before taking anything seriously, by then things will have started to settle a bit.

[Deputy Nutz]

Senior Bowl Standouts
Grey Zabel OL North Dakota St: He already had some buzz for a FCS kid, but the Senior Bowl might have locked him in to a top 50 selection. I think he is undersized for most positions besides center and his arm length probably will mean a team is drafting him to work inside. He did play tackle for the Bison so he has position versatility which is coveted in the NFL. Coaches at the Senior Bowl voted him the best player during the week of practice.

Mike Green Edge Marshall: He was already getting a lot of traction as a top 30 pick but his performance during the week of the Senior Bowl probably moved him up into the top 20. Scouts wanted to see him against better competition at the Senior Bowl and he certainly didn't disappoint. At 255 he is a hybrid off the edge, he does a good job of being strong at the point of attack and his get off and aggression were demonstrated in spades at the Senior Bowl.

Walter Nolen Edge Ol'e Miss: I personally don't have a lot of affection for defenders coming out of Ol'e Miss, but he came out and had a solid Senior Bowl performances during practice and won a lot more than he lost during one on ones. He had the potential prior to the Senior Bowl to crack the first round but he has the potential to go in the first half of the first round.

Shemar Stewart Edge Texas A&M: Not many Edges are 290 and can move off the snap like this fell. His film demonstrates that he does have to finish more consistently but he puts himself in position to make a lot of plays. He was a solid first round pick prior, now he is an easy top 20 selection. Big, fast and physical isn't something that comes around as and Edge rusher.

Aireontae Ersey OT Minnesota: big frame, decent hands, and good feet. He was projected somewhere in the top 65 prior to the Senior Bowl, but with a good showing during the week of practice he might have worked himself into the first round. He has real chance to be a left tackle in the league as he showed consistency as a pass setter during one on ones.

Overall this is a really good TE class and two guys that did well to boost the stock in this years draft was Mason Taylor from LSU, and Elijah Arroyo from Miami.

Darius Alexander DL Toledo: This is my dark horse for sneaking into the first round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Extremely dynamic get off, fast twitch and playing with violent hands during the Senior Bowl practice. I think he also offers a little bit of position versatility. He went from a mid round guy to an early round defender in this draft.

Maxwell Hairston CB Kentucky: Defensive backs usually get worked in one on ones against the wide receivers and its a hard measuring stick for these guys, but Hairston showed up and did better then the rest. He was an actual standout in one on ones. He showed that he could stick with receivers without getting grabby, something that might have hurt him a time or two at Kentucky. He could definitely have the potential to crack the top 32 in this draft.

Azareye'h Thomas CB FSU: A solid press corner that demonstrated his physical play during the Senior Bowl. He stoned receivers off the ball and out of their breaks better than anyone at the Senior Bowl, Prior he was a top 50-60 guy and now has the ability to pop in the first round.

Josh Conerly OT Oregon: 1st rounder with now movement into the 1st half of round one. Solid week except on one rep where Mike Green completely blew him up. right now he is a sleeper in the media, but the scout really like his feet and skill set. Voted best offensive linemen by the players at the Senior Bowl.

Jack Bech WR TCU: Former LSU receiver, that many were talking about as a mid round sleeper. Not any more. He had a good practice week and then made some highly contested catches in the game in very small windows. He is the brother of one of the victims in the New Orleans rampage on New Years Day. I get big Jordy Nelson vibes from this cat. He has a huge contested catch circle and uses his body extremely well on 50/50 balls. Good hands. I can see him with a good combine moving up into the second round.

Tyler Shough QB Louisville: Maybe it was because all the other QBs struggled a bunch at the Senior Bowl and he was just consistent, showed good mechanics and accuracy that he showed out. I think he was a mid to late round guy, but could be taken some where in the 3rd or 4th round as a possible developmental guy that teams will want to work with because he has the potential to start in the NFL.

Others
Landon Jackson Edge Arkansas
Miles Frasier G LSU
Saivon Jones OT LSU
Quincy Riley CB Louisville
Tez Johnson WR Oregon
Jaylin Noel WR Iowa St
Kyle Williams WR Washington St
Joshua Farmer DT FSU
Aeneas Peoples DT V-Tech
Anthony Belton OT NCST
Marcus Mbow OT Purdue
Jack Kiser LB ND

[Fritz]

Thank you Nutz for the work. It's good to get your stuff.

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers have a need for a number 1 wide receiver, not sure if anyone below can fill that role, but if someone else rises up on the current roster these guys could be strong compliment down the road.

Wide Receivers to also keep an eye on.

Jalen Royals Utah St 6' 205 lbs :Good size and speed combo, really had a nice practice week at the Senior Bowl and according to reports really made life for defensive back difficult. He used his hands well to catch the ball, good double move, and uses his size to shield the defender.

Xavier Rastrepo Miami 5'10 190 lbs: Very similar to the Patriots slot receivers. more quick and shifty than bulky or fast. Experience is a plus with him as he knows how to work the field and zones to get open. He made a ton of big catches for the Hurricanes

Chimere Dike Florida 6' 190 Lbs: He was a the Badgers leading receiver his first 3 years, and seemed to disappear within the new offense so he left to Florida. It didn't go exactly well for him at Florida as he had his ups and downs. What I do know is that he is an intelligent football player and can pick up an offense with ease. He transfers that ability to the field. He could be a mid to late round sleeper that could contribute out of the gate as number 5.

Also keep an eye on the Iowa State duo of Jayden Higgins and Jaylin Noel, Both have different size and skill sets. They both had very good Senior Bowls.

[Joemailman]

Gotta think Jack Bech is a guy Packers really like.

[pittstang5]

Gotta think Jack Bech is a guy Packers really like.

Agreed - When I was watching the Senior Bowl, I kept thinking this the type of WR that the Packers usually draft. Ole TT (Rest in Peace) would be drafting him for the Pack.

[NewsBruin]

Agreed - When I was watching the Senior Bowl, I kept thinking this the type of WR that the Packers usually draft. Ole TT (Rest in Peace) would be drafting him for the Pack.

Would TT pick him if he doesn't have pretty blonde hair?

[sharpe1027]

Would TT pick him if he doesn't have pretty blonde hair?

That can be fixed with a quick stop at an decent hair salon.

[sharpe1027]

I don't know the Packers need a clear number #1 WR. If the do get one, that would great. If not, they can't have starters playing like backups.

[Bretsky]

I don't know the Packers need a clear number #1 WR. If the do get one, that would great. If not, they can't have starters playing like backups.


Maybe their starters would and should be backups for most teams

[Joemailman]

I'm getting the feeling that if Gute doesn't take a CB at 23, it might be a while before there will be value at picking a CB. Unless he trades up in the 2nd round.

[Joemailman]

My 5 round PFN Packer mock draft. TRaded down in 3rd round and picked up an extra 4th. This is quite possibly the last year of Kenny Clark with the Packers and that is probably an underrated factor on what the Packers will do in the draft. He has an $11 million roster bonus due 3rd day of the 2026 league year and Packers would save over 14 million by releasing him.

23. Tyleik Williams DT Ohio State
54. Grey Zabel OT North Dakota State
96. Jared Ivey EDGE Ole Miss
123. Cobee Bryant CB Kansas
129. Tyler Baron EDGE Miami (FL)
160. Mello Dotson CB Kansas

[Fritz]

My 5 round PFN Packer mock draft. TRaded down in 3rd round and picked up an extra 4th. This is quite possibly the last year of Kenny Clark with the Packers and that is probably an underrated factor on what the Packers will do in the draft. He has an $11 million roster bonus due 3rd day of the 2026 league year and Packers would save over 14 million by releasing him.

23. Tyleik Williams DT Ohio State
54. Grey Zabel OT North Dakota State
96. Jared Ivey EDGE Ole Miss
123. Cobee Bryant CB Kansas
129. Tyler Baron EDGE Miami (FL)
160. Mello Dotson CB Kansas

I agree they need one and very possibly two DT's. TJ Slaton will likely be gone - he's a one-dimensional guy whose best dimension - run stopping - is not enough to warrant a shiny new contract. As you say, this might be Kenny Clark's last year. And while Karl Brooks flashes occasionally, Colby Wooden is really sub-par and could be replaced. Should be. So at least one, maybe two.

Given a choice between a cornerback and a pass rusher early on (as in, say, round one, maybe two), I'd take the pass rusher.

IF the Packers can re-acquire Davante Adams (at this point I think it's possible the Jest release him), then they could take a flyer later in the draft on one of the few Christian Watson-type long threats. If not, I'd imagine they would choose a WR sooner. Contract years are coming up for Romeo "Scrambled Egghead" Doubs and Christian "Fra-gee-lay" Watson, so they'll need bodies. And shouldn't Malik Heath and Bo Melton be challenged next spring anyway?

[Deputy Nutz]

I am always frustrated with the Packers and their defensive line. They never seem to put it all together. Kenny Clark is still a very good player, but by 2026 I could certainly see the Packers going a different direction. I think it would make sense to look to add to the room before Clark is gone. The young talent has shown up in spots, but I would think you would want more consistency in all three downs from Wyatt. I don't see the Packers doing much in terms of trading up in the 1st round so it will be something like best player available either on the defensive line or cornerback. Packers had to address Safety and Linebacker in the second last year, and they really hit home runs with Cooper and Bullard. I will still say Cooper DeJean offered a little more flexibility than Bullard, not sure if they could have gotten both Cooper and DeJean though.

DT in 2025 That I really like with round possibilities
Walter Nolen DL: I think he offers some position versatility. Not sure if he will be available in the first round when the Packers pick
Kenneth Grant DT: Big body, with elite athleticism from Michigan. I think he will be an early second round guy.
Shemar Stewart DE: Crazy low stats, but disruptive film. Again, not sure if he will be available for the Packers in the first round
Mike Green Edge: A bit undersized but he lit up the Senior Bowl. Interesting school in Marshall. Could possibly be available for the Packers in round 1
Landon Jackson: Big defensive end from Arkansas. He could possibly be available in the second round for the Packers
Nic Scourton: Similar build to Stewart. Comes from A&M. Maybe available in the second round
Derrick Harmon: disruptive force in the middle for the Ducks, Big guy at 6'5" 310 pounds, worried about pad level. Middle of the second round
James Pierce: Freak athlete off the edge but lack of production in 2024 could be an issue and could drop him to the Packers in Round 1
Tyleik Williams DT: At 327 pounds he was disruptive for the Ohio St. Again Ohio St had the ability to get after the QB with four rushers and he was a big part of that. Probably a late round 1 guy, maybe he could drop to the second but don't know if he will drop to the Packers
TJ Sanders: South Carolina kid, like his upside with prototypical size. solid 2nd round guy
Darius Alexander: Toledo guy and he is a big sleeper of mine. Lots of sites have him ranked lower, but to me he could be a crazy pick in the second round.

[Fritz]

Good work as always, Nutzy.

One position I'm curious about is left tackle. I wonder how much the organization likes Rasheed Walker. For a seventh-rounder he was a steal and a good pick, but just as your left tackle he seems just kinda okay. I am not an expert at all, but he seems to get pushed back a lot - a lot - into Love's lap. Not sure about his run blocking, or about how much upside is left and how much improvement is left.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm getting the feeling that if Gute doesn't take a CB at 23, it might be a while before there will be value at picking a CB. Unless he trades up in the 2nd round.

I feel there is better value in the second round than in the 1st round on corners. That's just me though. I feel like two out of the top 5 guys are both coming over season ending injuries.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Kenny Clark is still a good player? Yeah, so is Cletidus Hunt, and dude’s almost 50.

Dean Lowry can do what Clark does…for lot less frogskins. Cut Cletidus!

[Deputy Nutz]

Good work as always, Nutzy.

One position I'm curious about is left tackle. I wonder how much the organization likes Rasheed Walker. For a seventh-rounder he was a steal and a good pick, but just as your left tackle he seems just kinda okay. I am not an expert at all, but he seems to get pushed back a lot - a lot - into Love's lap. Not sure about his run blocking, or about how much upside is left and how much improvement is left.

I think he is a below average starter in the NFL. Decent in the run game, but he can get put on roller skates in pass pro. It's hard to know what the Packers are going to do on the offensive line. With Morgan coming off injured reserve and being slotted at guard makes me wonder if they will choose to upgrade the tackle position and keep Morgan at one of the two guard positions and possibly replace Walker and/or move Zach Tom to center. My best guess is they will try to find the best value on the board. The center position in the draft is sort of awful. There are some high end guards, but not to much in between. I don't agree with Tex on much, but both of us don't agree on using top end draft picks on offensive linemen.

[Deputy Nutz]

Kenny Clark is still a good player? Yeah, so is Cletidus Hunt, and dude’s almost 50.

Dean Lowry can do what Clark does…for lot less frogskins. Cut Cletidus!

Just keep following the box scores and stat lines.....

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I think he is a below average starter in the NFL. Decent in the run game, but he can get put on roller skates in pass pro. It's hard to know what the Packers are going to do on the offensive line. With Morgan coming off injured reserve and being slotted at guard makes me wonder if they will choose to upgrade the tackle position and keep Morgan at one of the two guard positions and possibly replace Walker and/or move Zach Tom to center. My best guess is they will try to find the best value on the board. The center position in the draft is sort of awful. There are some high end guards, but not to much in between. I don't agree with Tex on much, but both of us don't agree on using top end draft picks on offensive linemen.

Will Anderson said Tom’s the best OT he has ever faced. You wanna move a stud tackle to center?

That Moon guy should be fine and dandy at snapping the rock, I reckon.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just keep following the box scores and stat lines.....

Believe it or not, I actually do watch the games. Last season, Packers had absolutely zero pass rush threat from the interior and opponents ran up the guts like knife through butter.

They’re paying Cletidius a shit load of frogskins to roam the interior, ain’t they? Clark made a play every blue moon.

Cut Clark and use the money saved on Crosby, Garrett or even Joey Bosa.

[smuggler]

Clark is solid, but he can be bullied. Need an anchor so Wyatt can excel.

[Deputy Nutz]

First Simulator Mock Draft. I currently use Pro Football Network's simulator. I don' exactly love their rankings but it's a 7 rounder with free trades.

1 rd 23rd: Shavon Revel CB, East Carolina: I really wish I knew more about him other than he is 6'3". I don't love super tall corners but he has been moving up the draft boards. I am sort of shocked he is available. The Packers need an outside corner desperately. I am pretty sure I have a better chance of being a Packer in 2025 as does Jaire Alexander.

2 rd 54th: JT Tuimolou DE Ohio St: I think this guy is hell of a football player. He can set the edge in the run game and give a hell of an effort attacking pass pro and moving the pocket off the edge. He played in a system under Jim Knowles that wants to get pressure with 4. He understands what is needed when stunting or just coming off the edge.

3 rd 87th: Darius Alexander DL Toledo: I really crushed hard on his one on one pass rush at the Senior Bowl. He won inline and out on the edge. I think he offers a little more position versatility than some other defensive tackles in this draft. This might be a reach to some, but I won't be surprised if he goes higher when the actual draft comes around.

4 rd 123th: Jayden Noel WR Iowa St: Pick 87 was a coin flip between Noel and Alexander. I was shocked when he was still available in the 4th round. He has a great release on the snap, can work the sideline and his ball tracking is pretty good. watching his film at the Senior Bowl he demonstrated great hands and the ability to catch the ball when covered.

5 rd 160th: Jonah Monheim C USC: Not sure if he would actually last this long as positional need is a factor on many draft boards, but for a top 3 center to be on the board in the 5th round should tell you something about the position. I liked his one on ones in the Senior Bowl. He didn't dominate but he didn't get rolled over. I like his tenacity and his footwork was more than decent. The Packers have options at the center position so he isn't being drafted to be a day one starter.

6 rd 200th: Oluwafemi Oladejo Edge UCLA: I like his length and his get off at the Senior Bowl. He could probably do more to refine his pass rush but if he was better he proably would go high in the draft.

7 rd 239th: Kyle Williams WR Washington St: Ok this is stealing as he won't be here this late in the draft. Just put his film on, his speed is more than just quicks, and his route running is pretty damn solid.

7 rd 251: Alijiah Huzzie CB NC: sort of liked his name. Short and aggressive, could see him working as a dime corner or basically a practice squad guy at this point in the draft. You are looking for a diamond in the rough, anyone telling you they knew a 7th rounder was going to be a stud is a lying asshole.

[Deputy Nutz]

Believe it or not, I actually do watch the games. Last season, Packers had absolutely zero pass rush threat from the interior and opponents ran up the guts like knife through butter.

They’re paying Cletidius a shit load of frogskins to roam the interior, ain’t they? Clark made a play every blue moon.

Cut Clark and use the money saved on Crosby, Garrett or even Joey Bosa.

I don't question you watching the games,
Clark wore down by the end of the year. I thought he moved the pocket really well at the mid point of the season. The Packers pass rush was doing really well, and then sort of fell of the table by the end of the season and into the playoffs. Clark hurts the cap too much in 2025 to cut, he can be let go in 2026.

[Fritz]

I don't question you watching the games,
Clark wore down by the end of the year. I thought he moved the pocket really well at the mid point of the season. The Packers pass rush was doing really well, and then sort of fell of the table by the end of the season and into the playoffs. Clark hurts the cap too much in 2025 to cut, he can be let go in 2026.

Which is why you'd imagine the Packers are scouring this DT class for the draft. They need his successor to be in the pipeline, and maybe take some of Slaton's snaps, assuming he's not back.

I'd like to see them go into this season with replacements for Slaton and Colby Wooden.

[run pMc]

I think unless someone drops into their lap they will go DL early.

The top of the CB class is kind of a mess, and they have a lot of leverage with Jaire to redo his contract. Paulson Adebo is a popular name thrown around for FA, and I don't hate the idea. DJ Reed is too small for GB, Byron Murphy was basically a one year wonder for MIN, and Asante Samuel can't tackle. I wouldn't be surprised if they took a CB or two, I just think it will be later. Johnson, Revel, and Morrison are all very talented but coming off season-ending injuries, and while I like Morrison a hip injury for a corner feels scary to me.

The DL class this year is pretty good, Slaton is likely gone and if Clark doesn't improve he might be next year. I think Wooden should drop back down to 270-275 and be a DE.
Last year they had guys who could play the run (Slaton) or rush the passer (Wyatt) but not both. Clark brought that for a few years but he's well into the back end of his career. Studies have shown it's as much about the number of snaps/seasons as it is the age of the player...and Kenny has played a lot of snaps. Russ Ball should avoid handing out 3rd contracts (except for QBs) completely.

[Fritz]

If this Morrison guy you mentioned has the first name of James, then you draft him, draft a couple of book-ends, and call them Jim Morrison and the Shut-the-Doors.

Man, being an NFL GM would be so easy.

[SudsMcBucky]

I think unless someone drops into their lap they will go DL early.

The top of the CB class is kind of a mess, and they have a lot of leverage with Jaire to redo his contract. Paulson Adebo is a popular name thrown around for FA, and I don't hate the idea. DJ Reed is too small for GB, Byron Murphy was basically a one year wonder for MIN, and Asante Samuel can't tackle. I wouldn't be surprised if they took a CB or two, I just think it will be later. Johnson, Revel, and Morrison are all very talented but coming off season-ending injuries, and while I like Morrison a hip injury for a corner feels scary to me.

The DL class this year is pretty good, Slaton is likely gone and if Clark doesn't improve he might be next year. I think Wooden should drop back down to 270-275 and be a DE.
Last year they had guys who could play the run (Slaton) or rush the passer (Wyatt) but not both. Clark brought that for a few years but he's well into the back end of his career. Studies have shown it's as much about the number of snaps/seasons as it is the age of the player...and Kenny has played a lot of snaps. Russ Ball should avoid handing out 3rd contracts (except for QBs) completely.

yeah, I also think they go DL or Edge in R1.

[Joemailman]

My 4 Round NFC North Mock Draft:

10. Bears Kelvin Banks - OT - Texas

23. Packers Josh Simmons - OT - Ohio St.

24. Vikings Benjamin Morrison - CB - Notre Dame

31. Lions Tyliek Williams - DT - Ohio SD

39. Bears Shemar Stewart - EDGE - Texas A&M

41. Bears Omario Hampton - RB - North Carolina

54. Packers Landon Jackson - EDGE - Arkansas

60. Lions JT Tuimoloau - EDGE - Ohio St.

72. Bears Emery Jones - OT - LSU

87. Packers Zy Alexander - CB - LSU

95. Lions Dylan Fairchild - G - Georgia

97. Vikings Shemar Turner - DT - Texas A&M

101. Lions Kaden Prather - WR - Maryland

123. Packers Jared Wilson - C - Georgia

133. Lions Elijah Roberts - DT - SMU

[Joemailman]

I am always frustrated with the Packers and their defensive line. They never seem to put it all together. Kenny Clark is still a very good player, but by 2026 I could certainly see the Packers going a different direction. I think it would make sense to look to add to the room before Clark is gone. The young talent has shown up in spots, but I would think you would want more consistency in all three downs from Wyatt. I don't see the Packers doing much in terms of trading up in the 1st round so it will be something like best player available either on the defensive line or cornerback. Packers had to address Safety and Linebacker in the second last year, and they really hit home runs with Cooper and Bullard. I will still say Cooper DeJean offered a little more flexibility than Bullard, not sure if they could have gotten both Cooper and DeJean though.

DT in 2025 That I really like with round possibilities
Walter Nolen DL: I think he offers some position versatility. Not sure if he will be available in the first round when the Packers pick
Kenneth Grant DT: Big body, with elite athleticism from Michigan. I think he will be an early second round guy.
Shemar Stewart DE: Crazy low stats, but disruptive film. Again, not sure if he will be available for the Packers in the first round
Mike Green Edge: A bit undersized but he lit up the Senior Bowl. Interesting school in Marshall. Could possibly be available for the Packers in round 1
Landon Jackson: Big defensive end from Arkansas. He could possibly be available in the second round for the Packers
Nic Scourton: Similar build to Stewart. Comes from A&M. Maybe available in the second round
Derrick Harmon: disruptive force in the middle for the Ducks, Big guy at 6'5" 310 pounds, worried about pad level. Middle of the second round
James Pierce: Freak athlete off the edge but lack of production in 2024 could be an issue and could drop him to the Packers in Round 1
Tyleik Williams DT: At 327 pounds he was disruptive for the Ohio St. Again Ohio St had the ability to get after the QB with four rushers and he was a big part of that. Probably a late round 1 guy, maybe he could drop to the second but don't know if he will drop to the Packers
TJ Sanders: South Carolina kid, like his upside with prototypical size. solid 2nd round guy
Darius Alexander: Toledo guy and he is a big sleeper of mine. Lots of sites have him ranked lower, but to me he could be a crazy pick in the second round.

Derrick Harmon and Darius Alexander among DT's that ran 40 under 5.0. Shemar Stewart ran 4.6 at 267 pounds.

[call_me_ishmael]

Kinda intrigued by this feller in R2
https://x.com/nfldraftscout/status/1895291063998521458

[Joemailman]

Kinda intrigued by this feller in R2
https://x.com/nfldraftscout/status/1895291063998521458

Interesting guy.

NFL.com draft expert Lance Zierlein had this to say about Robinson heading into the NFL Combine:

"Bully with a roughshod playing style that forces blockers to match his physicality. Robinson is built for the trenches with the versatility to play in odd or even fronts. He's first into contact with his hands and mitigates average knee-bend with brute force in his upper half. He's powerful to set edges but lacks length to control and quickly shed NFL blockers. He's an effort rusher with active hands who can exploit a weak edge and thrive in gaming fronts but possesses average creativity. Robinson might not be a star, but his effort, strength and demeanor could make him a productive pro for years to come."

[Fosco33]

I wish I had more time or get an exit in this startup / but watched a few DL draft drills and it’s pretty easy to see top talent vs mid/late.

One DL that popped out was UCLA's Oledejo. Projected 1st rounder.

[Joemailman]

I wish I had more time or get an exit in this startup / but watched a few DL draft drills and it’s pretty easy to see top talent vs mid/late.

One DL that popped out was UCLA's Oledejo. Projected 1st rounder.

Sites I've looked at have him available in 3-4 round. Seen as a developmental player. Had a good Senior Bowl though so maybe he's moving up.

I see Kiper has him as a 1st round pick though.

[Joemailman]

Could start to hear a lot about Jayden Higgins, WR, Iowa St. as a potential Packer pick.(6-4, 214) Ran a 4.47 40 and had a 39 inch vertical. Likely 2nd round pick.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk--jwHWsAArNFl?format=jpg&name=small

[smuggler]

Can he play the ball in the air? How's his route running?

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jayden-Higgins-WR-EasternKentucky

Not a good release. Not a great change of direction. Passive blocker. Doesn't win deep.

Might be a later round kinda guy. Sounds kinda like Janis to me. Blanis.

[Deputy Nutz]

Kinda intrigued by this feller in R2
https://x.com/nfldraftscout/status/1895291063998521458

I really want to like him, but he is stiff and lacks the ability to get skinny in the pass rush. Not sure if he has an enough juice to get a consistent pass rush. this is a copycat league and after what Philly did with rushing 4 a lot of front office guys and GMs will want to draft interior guys that can get pressure through the A gaps and B gaps and have some flexibility to stunt.

[Deputy Nutz]

Can he play the ball in the air? How's his route running?

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jayden-Higgins-WR-EasternKentucky

Not a good release. Not a great change of direction. Passive blocker. Doesn't win deep.

Might be a later round kinda guy. Sounds kinda like Janis to me. Blanis.

He will go in the top 3 rounds. Probably 2nd maybe the third. He had a breakout Senior Bowl. If you read through your own link, he should thrive in a system that uses multiple receiver sets. I don't know if he will be an elite #1 guy in the NFL, but at least his size and numbers give an indication that he has the potential.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sites I've looked at have him available in 3-4 round. Seen as a developmental player. Had a good Senior Bowl though so maybe he's moving up.

I see Kiper has him as a 1st round pick though. yeah, I haven't seen him any higher than a 3rd or 4th rounder. I really like his build and his one on ones in the Senior Bowl indicate that there is some ability there. There are so many defensive ends/edges in this draft that have a higher grade than him.

[Deputy Nutz]

Shemar Stewart probably had the best combine for a defensive end. His numbers have put him in the elite category of pass rushers coming out of the combine. His production was relatively lame at A&M but you can see his explosiveness and ability on film, similar to Reshan Gary. I like Gary, but as much as he has tried to refine his pass rushing ability he still comes out of his stance like a pop up dummy. I don't think it's crazy to make the draft comparison of Stewart to Gary.

I am more interested in guys that are sleepers in this draft as the top 50 in this draft are really average in comparison. I heard it said that you aren't getting much difference between the top 15 and the top 30-40 guys in this draft, obviously it is all speculation as none of these guys have actually played in the NFL yet.

Some guys that I mentioned in earlier post from the Senior Bowl that had good combines and will likely see their draft stock rise;

Chimere Dike WR Florida: ran the second fastest 40 time for the WR position. I think he really needed to show off his athleticism as his last 3 years in college football seemed like a lot of hit and miss for him. He didn't fit well with the Badgers new coaching staff and transferred to Florida. Florida for the last two years has been rebuild of sorts and he sort of got lost in Gainesville with the QB shuffling and he suffered some injuries along the way. From what I personally know he was one of the only true freshman to fully understand and operate in Paul Chryst's pass game at Wisconsin. He has a very high football IQ and is a very good route runner. I thought his hands were above average in college.

Tai Felton WR Maryland: I wouldn't call him a sleeper but he could have moved himself up to early 2nd round contention with his combine. 4.37 forty 10+ broad jump and 39+ vertical were outstanding numbers at the combine. His production numbers were there at Maryland with 93 catches in 2024.

Iowa State WRs Noel and Higgins both had phenomenal combines.

Jalen Royal WR Utah St: Coming from Utah St brings questions about competition and his overall athleticism. He only ran the 40 and bench pressed, but he came out it with a 4.42 forty and 13 reps of 225. I don't know how big of a bump this will give him but I think he is a solid day 2 guy.

Elic Aromanor WR Stanford: Not exactly a sleeper, but a guy that had to show off his athleticism at the combine to cement himself as an early day 2 pick. 4.44 forty at 6'2" 205 pounds, did well on the vertical at 38.5" and a 10+" broad jump.

Maxwell Hairston CB Kentucky: Fastest 40 time at the combine breaking the 4.3 barrier. He is not a sleeper but he is contention for the top tier at cornerback in this draft. I personally don't love drafting guys from Kentucky, but his Senior Bowl, game film and now combine show a kid that could be a potential top end corner in the league. The question is can he refine his technique and skills to be a proficient NFL corner? I think he separated from a lot of the corners in this draft as many didn't really have a break out at the combine. Zy Alexander from LSU ran a poor 4.56 forty time and as a taller corner that won't exactly fly, Cobee Bryant of Kansas ran 4.53, and Denzel Burke from Ohio State had a decent 40 of 4.48 but it was not spectacular. Prior to the combine Hairston was probably in the same tier as these guys.

Darien Porter CB Iowa St: Huge Corner at 6'3" ran a blistering 4.30 forty. Limited time as a starter in Ames, only started at corner in his 6th year, but for someone his size he needed to run extremely well to demonstrate that he can play outside.

Jacob Parrish Kansas St: a name I didn't recognize before the combine but at 5'11" 190 pounds and can run a 4.35 40 he someone that should be investigated. I love Kansas St guys.

Donovian Ezeiruaku DE Boston College: He didn't run the forty but did really well in all the other workouts. He just hasn't been a name that has stood out prior to the combine. Interesting college connection to Haffely. His production of 16.5 sacks if off the charts in terms of what you are looking for in production, interesting enough he only had 2 sacks in 2023.

Tyler Batty DE BYU: he has the prototypical size you want in a defensive end at 6'6" 275 pounds and he ran a 4.78. His other testing numbers showed off his athleticism as well. His film will be an interesting study to see if there will be some value if a team picks him in the 4th or 5th round. He did a two year mission so he is older than most, probably a soaker as well.

David Walker DE Central Arkansas: at only 6'1" and not overly long arms, there are questions about his height and his ability to create leverage coming off the edge, but his combine numbers are telling you there is something there out of this FCS pass rush demon. His production tells you there is something there.

Jarred Harrison-Hunte DT SMU: 6 year guy that played 5 years at Miami and then transferred to SMU. Productive and has prototypical size at 6'3" 290 pounds. He had the best 10 yard split time for DTs at 1.69. I think he used college to mature his technique in both the run and pass. He needs to add some bulk and strength to stand up in the run game at the next level, but scouts like has ability in the pass rush.

Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins DT Georgia: the Bulldogs' defensive line has sent so many first rounders into the NFL over the past 3 seasons its crazy to think of any DT from Georgia being a sleeper, but Ingram-Dawkins is probably that because of his lack of playing time. He was productive in his one year of full time snaps at Georgia. His combine numbers were good, fastest in the 40 and ten yard split, but he is also under 280 pounds which makes you wonder what his exact fit at the NFL level will be.


Ok, two defensive guys that have a huge appeal, but specifically speaking for the Packers there really isn't a need. Jihaad Campbell LB Alabama might be the best defender in this draft. Watching the Alabama defense its crazy how many times you saw #11 around the football. Sure he is a linebacker, but he is a 6'3" 235 pounds with ridiculous instincts and football IQ. He does offer some pass rush ability with 5 sacks in 2024 but he isn't an edge or defensive end. Also he blew up the combine running a 4.52 forty and a 1.53 split. The second guy is Nick Emmanwori S South Carolina. at 6'3" 220 pounds he ran a 4.38 forty with a 1.49 split. His film is interesting as he can do it all play the deep middle, run with TEs, and play inside the box, but you would think with his size and speed he would be a wrecking ball in the run game. He sometimes doesn't bring the intensity or possibly it takes him just a second to long to break down what's in front of him.

[run pMc]

Haven't watched Jayden Higgins, but what I read about him he's intriguing and doesn't make it out of Round 2. His drop % was very very low, and I think he could duplicate a lot of what Watson did.
Another tall WR - Pat Bryant had a bad combine.

I like Jalen Royals as a Day 2 guy, he's not a burner but I think he's got some speed and YAC ability.
Ayomanor scares me, he had a career day against Colorado and was meh otherwise. He'll block, but I don't know if he'll separate from coverage. Also, annoyed by Mosqueda's takes on him: he was all-caps OUT on him for weeks after watching his film, but is touting him on acmepackingcompany.

Hairston was someone I was really interested to see how he tested, he's got some attitude and Hafley's D needs psychos and guys who will tackle on the outside when the defense spills runs wide or to tackle WR screens. Teams will pick on any CB that's under 5'10" or 190 pounds...they were picking on Valentine's tackling a little bit last year. It's why I don't like Byron Murphy or Asante Samuel Jr. as FA signings for GB - I think Murphy had a career year which is fluky and he wasn't a great tackler before then, and Samuel has a stinger issue and gets targetted by offenses to see if he'll tackle or take on blocks.

Horrible idea but a fun thought experiment: drafting Tyler Warren in R1 and leaning hard into the 2 TE offense. Hell, with Kraft, Musgrave and Warren, roll out a 13 offense and go nuts. LMAO

[smuggler]

I think getting Musgrave going well would be just as good. Sims is a decent run blocker, so the guys can get a breather every now and then if we're just gonna ground and pound with Jacobs and Wilson.

[Deputy Nutz]

Haven't watched Jayden Higgins, but what I read about him he's intriguing and doesn't make it out of Round 2. His drop % was very very low, and I think he could duplicate a lot of what Watson did.
Another tall WR - Pat Bryant had a bad combine.

I like Jalen Royals as a Day 2 guy, he's not a burner but I think he's got some speed and YAC ability.
Ayomanor scares me, he had a career day against Colorado and was meh otherwise. He'll block, but I don't know if he'll separate from coverage. Also, annoyed by Mosqueda's takes on him: he was all-caps OUT on him for weeks after watching his film, but is touting him on acmepackingcompany.

Hairston was someone I was really interested to see how he tested, he's got some attitude and Hafley's D needs psychos and guys who will tackle on the outside when the defense spills runs wide or to tackle WR screens. Teams will pick on any CB that's under 5'10" or 190 pounds...they were picking on Valentine's tackling a little bit last year. It's why I don't like Byron Murphy or Asante Samuel Jr. as FA signings for GB - I think Murphy had a career year which is fluky and he wasn't a great tackler before then, and Samuel has a stinger issue and gets targetted by offenses to see if he'll tackle or take on blocks.

Horrible idea but a fun thought experiment: drafting Tyler Warren in R1 and leaning hard into the 2 TE offense. Hell, with Kraft, Musgrave and Warren, roll out a 13 offense and go nuts. LMAO

Man this draft is deep with TEs. Reminds me of the draft two years ago, but with 3 guys or so that are considered first round talents. The Combine didn't really show it because the top end guys didn't run.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The strategy of drafting the best player available is overrated. Sure, there are rare instances where a Butte falls onto your lap, and you just gotta take him and hope the lap dance turns out great - your aging, incumbent HOF QB be damned. But Butte is a needle in a haystack. Give the Polar Bear credit, I guess.

On a roster with Adams and a bunch of no names WRs, the German Shepherd coulda/shoulda drafted Metcalf and AJ Brown. Instead, went with the BPA, and took 21 Savage and a fucking center. Not to mention, the Smith Bros were in the prime of the careers - still wasted a prime pick on Gary Lightbody.

The failure to draft Metcalf and Brown pretty much cost Butte another ring in the Green and Mustard Yellow.

[Deputy Nutz]

Both Brown and Metcalf were immediate contributors as rookies.

In the 2025 draft there is an Ole' Miss wide receiver in Tre Harris. right now he is looking like a solid second round pick.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Both Brown and Metcalf were immediate contributors as rookies.

In the 2025 draft there is an Ole' Miss wide receiver in Tre Harris. right now he is looking like a solid second round pick.

Are you agreeing with moi, Nutz?

Since the draft is allegedly “crapshoot,” the BPA approach doesn’t make sense. Draft for needs and keep drafting for needs til you hit.

[Deputy Nutz]

As long as the pick is rational I don't really care if it was high need vs best player available. The draft is a crapshoot, and as much as we do our best to understand everything that goes into the draft and pro personnel we have very little knowledge to how teams view their players long term regardless of their current contracts, so it may seem BPA but in reality GMs see a need a couple of years down the road, especially if you draft a position that take a bit longer to regulate to the league.

[run pMc]

I loved AJ Brown coming out in the draft. He was taken before GB picked Jenkins. Metcalf scared me.

Jenkins was and has been an immediate starter. Say what you want about drafting a player who can take snaps up and down the OL, but above average OL are getting well paid these days too.

I have an inkling Gute will take a WR in the draft, but otherwise count on internal development of players like Wicks, Reed and Musgrave to be better in Year 3. Taking BPA is still the way to go.

[Deputy Nutz]

Metcalf was scary because he did all the drills in the combine and had a poor 3 cone. He dropped to the end of the second round and agents and draftees got smart and started to avoid the 3 cone at the combine. He was also injured several times at Ole' Miss.

The Packers have a good solid base at wide receiver, but they don't yet have a guy. I could see the Packers drafted a receiver anywhere in this draft. Receivers usually go higher than projected as soon as the first one goes off the board, teams get antsy at that position for some reason.

It's why I always believe in position tiers.

[run pMc]

Agree. Also like the idea of tiers for positions and prospects. This year I don't know there's any WR in the 'elite/Top10' prospect tier. Has the McMillan kid from AZ run at a Pro Day?

[Fritz]

I'd be okay with a wide receiver or a defensive tackle or maybe a defensive end in the first round. But if they pick, say, a tight end, you've got to think the Packers think that that guy would be the greatest thing since sliced bread, as they have Kraft already.

But Musgrave sure is looking like a bust. He reminds me of Richard Rogers.

[Deputy Nutz]

Musgrave was hurt for most of last year. He is way more athletic and dynamic than Richard Rodgers.

As I look to tier out the majority of position players in this draft I can only base it on the 2025 draft class, so the WR tier 1 group is the best receivers of the 2025 class. Which currently I have no real idea who is part of that.

[run pMc]

Musgrave basically has played a season and been hurt a season. Too early to say anything other than his development has not been smooth.
Another thing to conside: TEs and LBs often look lost until the last year of their rookie contract.

As for tiers, I haven't looked closely at WRs but McMillian, Burden and Matthew Golden are in the R1 tier at the moment. Don't know anyone else is, and I don't know that I'd call any of them top 10 prospects.

Still haven't watched Jayden Higgins, but his profile (size/speed/productivity) has appeal. He's a Day2 guy for sure based on that.

[Deputy Nutz]

Right off the top of my head, Tier 1 of WR would look like McMillian, Ebueka, and possibly Golden. Burden has dropped according to most draft pundits, but that doesn't mean much

[Spaulding]

Wouldn't mind seeing Jaylin Noel of ISU in the 3rd. Loved his interview on XM Radio and although he played slot, he's not slow (4.39). Although he played the X mostly, seems like he could play Z as well, plus he's already a Packer with his drop ratio. Time to Jugg up, correct that along with Wicks and Reed.

[Fritz]

https://pitchingmachinesale.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/top-5-football-machines.jpg

Nice juggs.

[run pMc]

Jaylin Noel is undersized, and I think they like bigger WRs so they can block from condensed formations or when running their screens and end arounds to Reed. Otherwise, he's a good interview, was productive and is a good athlete. I don't think GB is in the market for a slot WR before late Day 3 if at all.

His teammate the Higgins kid screams Packer prospect, whether he's there in R2 when they pick is unclear. They probably have to move into the top 45-50 to get him. It's not a great draft for big WRs who can run. Maybe MLF doubles down on running with Jacobs and that explains the Aaron Banks signing.

Either way, I'm expecting them to pick a DT who can take over for Kenny and play both positions inside as an all-around type who can stop the run and rush the passer decently. Haven't looked closely but that Walter Nolan kid comes to mind. Kenneth Grant looks fun but I wonder if Gute likes him.

Feels like yet another draft where I wish they had like 3 R2 picks instead of a R1 and R2, but it sounds like teams are looking to move down. Maybe that makes it cheap to move up for a player they love, with so many roster spots already locked up this might be the year for that.
Gute and Co. can find good players on draft day, they haven't found many great ones.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think this draft is relatively deep with defensive tackles, several different options in-terms of run stuffers, pass rushers, and a couple that can do both. I don't know if you have to reach in the first round to get a defensive tackle, especially if there is a dynamic edge rusher or a top end wide out. I know I mentioned this earlier but the wide receiver board will be really interesting how it falls on Day 1.

[Deputy Nutz]

Jaylin Noel is undersized, and I think they like bigger WRs so they can block from condensed formations or when running their screens and end arounds to Reed. Otherwise, he's a good interview, was productive and is a good athlete. I don't think GB is in the market for a slot WR before late Day 3 if at all.

His teammate the Higgins kid screams Packer prospect, whether he's there in R2 when they pick is unclear. They probably have to move into the top 45-50 to get him. It's not a great draft for big WRs who can run. Maybe MLF doubles down on running with Jacobs and that explains the Aaron Banks signing.

Either way, I'm expecting them to pick a DT who can take over for Kenny and play both positions inside as an all-around type who can stop the run and rush the passer decently. Haven't looked closely but that Walter Nolan kid comes to mind. Kenneth Grant looks fun but I wonder if Gute likes him.

Feels like yet another draft where I wish they had like 3 R2 picks instead of a R1 and R2, but it sounds like teams are looking to move down. Maybe that makes it cheap to move up for a player they love, with so many roster spots already locked up this might be the year for that.
Gute and Co. can find good players on draft day, they haven't found many great ones.

I really thought that the Packers were going in the same direction as you mentioned about bigger wide receivers, but their drafts in the last couple of years has sort of negated that beside Watson. Outside of Watson they have a couple of 6'2" receivers and that's it. They drafted Jaylen Reed and who is only 5'11" and 185 pounds. I agree that they need to focus on some bigger wide receivers with Watson out for a while and his field time could only be labeled as inconsistent.

Higgins has size and crazy speed at 6'4 and a 4.47, his blocking hasn't been labeled as a plus.
Tre Harris from Ole Miss is 6'2 205 and his forty time was average at 4.54 but his RAS is 9.04
Jack Bech is 6'1" 215 so there is some blocking size there with a bench of 19 reps but he didn't run the 40 at the combine.
Elic Ayomanor is 6'2" 206 and had a 4.44 forty time. He is a Stanford guy so I think he can block a bit.
Savion Williams is 6'4" 225 and had a sub 4.5 forty. The size and speed are there but I don't really trust him
Dont'e Thorton is 6'5" and flies. 4.3 forty at that size is ridiculous but I can't expect him to be a great blocker, his speed and size is a weapon to stretch defenses, but I don't trust his route running
Tory Holton is almost 6'2" and just under 200 lbs. He ran a sub 4.5 forty. I wouldn't call him well built and is athleticism made him capable of out playing lesser competition, needs to refine route running.
Da'Quan Felton 6'5" 215 has the size and a 4.5 forty gives you the speed you want. Can't say if he is a blocker or not, but isn't a polished route runner, and hands are less than great.

[Deputy Nutz]

All right week 3 of the Packers mock draft.

1/23:Emeka Egbuka, WR Ohio State: I think he is one of the top flight WRs in this draft. Ohio State has a pedigree for producing high end receivers and although he was overshadowed this year by the freshman sensation, he is still on the top of my board for pass catchers. He didn't work out at the combine which is going to be par for the course in the future especially for Ohio State WRs.

2/54: Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky: In the real draft I can't see him available at 54, but on the shitty mock site I use he is still there waiting to be a Packer. Probably the most athletically gifted CB in this draft. Hopefully his talent transitions to the NFL, he was extra handsy in college and you can't get away with that in the NFL.

3/88 Traded one spot down with the JAGs: Omar Norman-Lott, DT Tennessee: This would be a great pick up in the 3rd round. He is DT that has a good burst off the ball, aggressive and physical. He could grow into a 3 down defensive lineman in the NFL. Packers would be a good landing spot for him as it will give him time to learn behind 2 or 3 other veterans.

4/124: Tyler Baron, Edge, Miami: a little late to grab one of the premier pass rushers, but Baron offers the prototypical size and length for an edge rusher for the Packers. He has a 9.3 RAS so he will be athletic enough. Currently, he might be a pass rush specialist only

5/142 trade comp for the 87th pick to the JAGs: Charles Grant, OL William & Mary: super athletic offensive lineman that could end up playing anywhere on the offensive line besides Center. Small school guy, landing in Green Bay will give him time to adjust to the NFL.

6/198: Nick Martin, OLB Oklahoma State: Hybrid player at OSU, he can set the edge or play off the ball. good size and athleticism that has the flexibility that will be an added addition to the Packers defense.

7/237: Isaiah Neyor, WR Nebraska: 6'4 220 wide receiver that can run a 4.4, RAS score of 10. Big and a super athlete is a perfect selection in the 7th round. Needs to work on his route running and game speed but can catch the ball away from his body and creates a huge mismatch because of his expansive catch radius.

7/250: O'Donnell Fortune, CB South Carolina: Not sure if he drops even close to this far. Although there are several sites that have him ranked all over the place. He didn't run at the combine but his 32" vertical is that of a high school kid. His film shows a strong instincts when he keeps his eyes to the action. More of a zone corner that can work off the QB versus just playing man against more athletic receivers.

[jklowan]

All right week 3 of the Packers mock draft.

1/23:Emeka Egbuka, WR Ohio State: I think he is one of the top flight WRs in this draft. Ohio State has a pedigree for producing high end receivers and although he was overshadowed this year by the freshman sensation, he is still on the top of my board for pass catchers. He didn't work out at the combine which is going to be par for the course in the future especially for Ohio State WRs.

2/54: Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky: In the real draft I can't see him available at 54, but on the shitty mock site I use he is still there waiting to be a Packer. Probably the most athletically gifted CB in this draft. Hopefully his talent transitions to the NFL, he was extra handsy in college and you can't get away with that in the NFL.

3/88 Traded one spot down with the JAGs: Omar Norman-Lott, DT Tennessee: This would be a great pick up in the 3rd round. He is DT that has a good burst off the ball, aggressive and physical. He could grow into a 3 down defensive lineman in the NFL. Packers would be a good landing spot for him as it will give him time to learn behind 2 or 3 other veterans.

4/124: Tyler Baron, Edge, Miami: a little late to grab one of the premier pass rushers, but Baron offers the prototypical size and length for an edge rusher for the Packers. He has a 9.3 RAS so he will be athletic enough. Currently, he might be a pass rush specialist only

5/142 trade comp for the 87th pick to the JAGs: Charles Grant, OL William & Mary: super athletic offensive lineman that could end up playing anywhere on the offensive line besides Center. Small school guy, landing in Green Bay will give him time to adjust to the NFL.

6/198: Nick Martin, OLB Oklahoma State: Hybrid player at OSU, he can set the edge or play off the ball. good size and athleticism that has the flexibility that will be an added addition to the Packers defense.

7/237: Isaiah Neyor, WR Nebraska: 6'4 220 wide receiver that can run a 4.4, RAS score of 10. Big and a super athlete is a perfect selection in the 7th round. Needs to work on his route running and game speed but can catch the ball away from his body and creates a huge mismatch because of his expansive catch radius.

7/250: O'Donnell Fortune, CB South Carolina: Not sure if he drops even close to this far. Although there are several sites that have him ranked all over the place. He didn't run at the combine but his 32" vertical is that of a high school kid. His film shows a strong instincts when he keeps his eyes to the action. More of a zone corner that can work off the QB versus just playing man against more athletic receivers.



I am really hoping the Pearce kid from Tenn falls, that is my draft crush

[Joemailman]

Packer picks from Chad Reuter's 4 round mock draft: https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2025-nfl-mock-draft-three-qbs-taken-in-top-seven-picks-steelers-select-rb-in-first-round

1 (23) Matthew Golden Texas · WR

2 (54) Nic Scourton Texas A&M · Edge

3 (87) Nohl Williams California · CB

4 (124) Omarr Norman-Lott Tennessee · DT

[run pMc]

Packer types at WR tend to go 6'1" 205# or thereabouts. Big enough to hold up run blocking and also as big or bigger than most CBs, plus a bigger catch radius than a 5'10" guy. 6'2" is plenty big to play outside. Doubs and Wicks could do it, but neither are burners and they each had struggles last year.

Is this a case of the pendulum after 2023 swung too optimistic and now we're too pessimistic? These are players in Year 3 or in Doubs' case a contract year, I'd be very disappointed if there wasn't internal development.
Watson's injury, the WR FA market, and the upcoming contract situations all tell me Gute almost has to draft a WR (possibly two).

[run pMc]

This is a decent draft simulator, if you ignore trades.
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator

The site itself takes all the draft boards out there and average/aggregates them, so you get an idea of where players are ranked overall by draftniks and media types (whatever that's worth). I like it for that reason, some boards are way higher on player X and it can smooth that variability out.

[SudsMcBucky]

This is a decent draft simulator, if you ignore trades.
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-draft-simulator

The site itself takes all the draft boards out there and average/aggregates them, so you get an idea of where players are ranked overall by draftniks and media types (whatever that's worth). I like it for that reason, some boards are way higher on player X and it can smooth that variability out.

That's the one I like to use the most, too.

[Fritz]

I am really hoping the Pearce kid from Tenn falls, that is my draft crush

Read an ACME article about him; sounds like he's kind of a smallish one-trick pony.

[jklowan]

Read an ACME article about him; sounds like he's kind of a smallish one-trick pony.

Yeah sacks, time for the Pack to get a productive End

[bobblehead]

Seems Mike Green crushed his pro day so now my dream of him being a packer is gone.

[Bretsky]

Read an ACME article about him; sounds like he's kind of a smallish one-trick pony.


ONE TRICK PONY; when I read that I think of Gouchebag's RAS crush Lucas Van Ness

[Fritz]

ONE TRICK PONY; when I read that I think of Gouchebag's RAS crush Lucas Van Ness

Van Mess is kinda getting lost in the sauce in all this discussion of needing to consider drafting an edge guy right away. I wonder what the coaching staff really thinks of him now - still high on his potential? Not the guy they were hoping for? Wrong guy for Halfley’s scheme?

[Joemailman]

Van Mess is kinda getting lost in the sauce in all this discussion of needing to consider drafting an edge guy right away. I wonder what the coaching staff really thinks of him now - still high on his potential? Not the guy they were hoping for? Wrong guy for Halfley’s scheme?

I think they're still expecting him to be a good player. Van Ness played less than 40% of defensive snaps last year. That was largely the decision to the DL coach who has since been fired. I think Van Ness will play more, and more will be expected of him. Gotta believe developing Van Ness will be right at the top of the list for Covington, the new DL coach.

[Fritz]

I think they're still expecting him to be a good player. Van Ness played less than 40% of defensive snaps last year. That was largely the decision to the DL coach who has since been fired. I think Van Ness will play more, and more will be expected of him. Gotta believe developing Van Ness will be right at the top of the list for Covington, the new DL coach.

I often wonder how all this plays into the drafting. I know nothing of what goes on in their processes, so my simplistic mind thinks this way: if they think Van Mess really can develop into a top notch, it-was-worth-drafting-this-kid-13th-overall player, then they maybe wait to draft another defensive end until a bit later - third round or something - and draft someone who was in that range cuz he is a developmental project. Whereas, if they think maybe Van Mess will end up being "meh," they might be more prone to spend an earlier pick on a more ready-to-play-sooner kind of kid.

Simplistic, I know. But that's all I got on that.

[sharpe1027]

We won't draft a kicker or punter in the first round. Every other position is possible. I am confident we don't know what the hell will happen.

[bobblehead]

OL and CB were clearly the priorities in FA. (I think I'm the only one who wants more OL early and in FA). Walker probably peaked at LT. Tom is elite and Jenkins is/will be a very good center. Banks is really good at LG. I'm not entirely sure how they plan on playing it out with Morgan (not sure they are), but I can definitely see drafting another OL in the first round. I would put money on OL/DB just because of the urgency they showed in FA. DE is also always on the board if the right guy slides. Those hoping for a WR, get ready to be disappointed. Run and sharpe are right on 2 counts. We are over reacting to the Eagles punking us and playing a really tough division, internal development will be big. And there really isn't a position we can't draft in round 1...BPA all the way.

[run pMc]

I'd bet on DL for R1 unless some top 15 guy slides.
There weren't really any good edge/DE types available in FA; they got snapped up immediately or were resigned by their teams. With good depth in the draft Gute wasn't going to spend big money in FA there.

Josh Simmons was thought by many to be in the top3 if not the top OT before his injury, I could see Gute pull the trigger on something like that, but I doubt it. They have 6 OL right now including Morgan who can start. They have Nixon, Hobbs, Valentine at outside corner and Bullard at slot. I think they take a CB or two for competition/development (Round 3/4?) but it's not urgent.

Agree on BPA all the way, but if I had to bet I'd go with a disruptive DT or a DE with pass rush skills. Covington will absolutely have to earn his salary, I think based on comments by Gute, MLF, and Hafley the DL coaching wasn't up to par.
LVN isn't a lost cause but I'd say like many of the 2nd year players there wasn't the big developmental jump we hoped for. My guess is that if they had to do it over they'd take the Gonzalez kid from Oregon instead of LVN but you never know.

[bobblehead]

Run, I almost always agree with you, but I don't see edge or DL at all in the 1st. Given the type of talent expected to be available CB or OL seem most likely. Simmons would be great at 23. They will have choices, but if the board falls as expected I think those are the positions that will have the best talents available when we are on the board. Of course trading up or down are always options.

[Joemailman]

Run, I almost always agree with you, but I don't see edge or DL at all in the 1st. Given the type of talent expected to be available CB or OL seem most likely. Simmons would be great at 23. They will have choices, but if the board falls as expected I think those are the positions that will have the best talents available when we are on the board. Of course trading up or down are always options.

I think Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolen and Derrick Harmon are DT's who could be there at 23. I'm not sure what CB's would be draftable at 23 if injuries drop Revel and Morrison down to 2nd round. Simmons at OT would be a possibility.

[King Friday]

I can’t see them taking OL in the first. They did that last year, and already have 6 guys on the roster who they would claim are capable of starting somewhere. I could see them going WR if their guy was available, although personally I don’t much care for any of the top WRs in this draft and would be fine waiting until round 3 or later. CB also doesn’t seem very deep this year, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they take a guy they like since they have need there. The defensive line is clearly the most likely landing spot if they keep the 23rd pick. Do some mock drafts. There always seem to be DL players who the Packers would likely be keen on available at 23.

[Fritz]

I can’t see them taking OL in the first. They did that last year, and already have 6 guys on the roster who they would claim are capable of starting somewhere. I could see them going WR if their guy was available, although personally I don’t much care for any of the top WRs in this draft and would be fine waiting until round 3 or later. CB also doesn’t seem very deep this year, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they take a guy they like since they have need there. The defensive line is clearly the most likely landing spot if they keep the 23rd pick. Do some mock drafts. There always seem to be DL players who the Packers would likely be keen on available at 23.

OR do they trade down and pass on TJ Watt so they can take Kevin King and pick up an extra fourth round pick so they can fill their pass-rushing need with Vince Biegel?

[bobblehead]

I wonder what a team needing a LT would offer for Walker. He clearly is a top 32 LT and will be for years. That suggests a 1st round value. Factor in he has to get paid and we could potentially get a 2nd for him coming out of camp. Since we AREN'T going to pay him I could definitely see taking OL in the first. Especially if its clearly the best value.

[Deputy Nutz]

Kenneth Grant, in my opinion is the best defensive tackle in this draft, and he would bring an immediate impact to the Packers. It's relatively unclear if he will go in the top 20 or in the top 35 picks of this draft. I think he is a sleeper and will go in the top 20. I think the Packers would love to have him available at pick 23. Other defensive tackles I like either in the second or third round are Norman-Lott from Tennessee, Josh Farmer from FSU, and Alfred Collins from Texas. Collins is pure run defender at this point. Later round guys 4th/5th round guys I like are Nazir Stackhouse from Georgia, CJ West from Indiana who might go earlier than round 4, Jordan Phillips from Maryland, Ty Robinson from Nebraska who might go earlier I can't predict his range in this draft, and Vernon Broughton from Texas.

If the Packers are looking for a longer receiver that poses a sideline deep threat there really won't be one available at 23. Egbuka could be available and in his own right is a dynamic receiver with consistency and good hands. Otherwise you wait and see if Tre Harris from Ole' Miss drops to them at 54, or they could trade up and grab him. Otherwise you play the risk/reward game with guys like Donte Thornton from Tennessee, Savion Williams from TCU, Jayden Higgins from ISU. Higgins probably has a 2nd round grade from many in the NFL. Sleepers with a long frame and speed would be guys like Prather from Maryland, TeSlaa from Arkansas, Bryant from Illinois.

I think there is a definite line in the tiers at CB, there are only a couple sure fire first round picks in this draft and outside of Baron from Texas those guys have injury concerns. If the Packers wait till the second round to take a corner you are looking at possible availability in Hairston, Amos, Thomas, Revel, and Morrison with an outside chance of reaching on a guy like Burke from Ohio State. Morrison and Revel have first round potential but I think their injury history drops them to the second, and Hairston and Smith have first round potential as well, it all depends on if teams start reaching for corner help. After that I think the talent in tier 3 and 4 really drops off.
Mid to Late round potential guys I like are Hancock from Ohio St, Parrish from K-St, Frazier from Texas- SA, Quincy Riley from Louisville, Caleb Ranslaw from Tulane, and Jason Marshall Jr from Florida.

Edge is going to be an interesting position in this year's draft. Outside of Carter who should go in the top 3 of this draft the jury is sort of out on where the next level guys are going to go. There is a lot of guys whose potential doesn't match with college production, and a lot of guys that have excellent college production but have either potential or measurable limitations. There will be enough available edge rushers at 23 for the Packers to consider, I know Carter will be gone along with Mykel Williams of Georgia, most likely Mike Green will be gone as well. A guy that has been tumbling down draft boards is James Pearce from Tennessee. He might be the guy with the highest ceiling in this draft but run defense and character concerns have not been favorable to him, he might be a steal at #23. Shemar Stewart has flown up the draft boards, but again he is another potential vs lack of production guy, I don't think he will be available at #23 and that's probably a good thing for Packer fans as he reminds me a lot of Rashan Gary. After those guys I don't see a lot of difference in the 2nd or 3rd tier edges. Ezeiruaku from Boston College is guy that is being link to the Packers for obvious reasons, Nic Scourton is the exact opposite of his running mate in Steward, limited ceiling but good production in college, JT Tuimolou is talented player from Ohio State but he doesn't seem to have that extra burst. Jack Sawyer looks to be a poor mans version of Adian Hutchinson, the jury is out on where he is going to go in the draft. the same could be reiterated for Landon Jackson who lit the combine on fire. Oladejo from UCLA is flying up the draft rankings, he was a late bloomer more of a LB type until last season and he was super productive in his final year. One guy I will mention is Brady Swinson from LSU, he has more of a build as a true outside linebacker but has great measurable and testing numbers that go along with his college production.

[bobblehead]

My nightmare scenario (which plays out on draft day too often) is that Gutes wastes draft capital to trade up for Stewart.

[KYPack]

Thanks for your work on the draft Deputy.

Which of the tiers is the deepest, where we might scoop up a rising player in the 2nd or 3rd round?

[The Shadow]

I would keep an eye out for SEDGe Nic Scourton from A&M.

[Deputy Nutz]

Thanks for your work on the draft Deputy.

Which of the tiers is the deepest, where we might scoop up a rising player in the 2nd or 3rd round?

Defensive line, both DT and Edge. This draft is going to hit for teams that can wake up the sleepers, or find guys that they can maximize the potential.

Wide receiver on paper is relatively weak, and the same can be said for the Corner position. Offensive tackle has a lot of mid-tier talent, but too many question marks on the top tier guys and little value on the late round guys. Quarterback is also relatively weak. Interior offensive line is also pretty poor on paper as the second tier center's are projected as 4th-5thnd guys.

Safety is just alright as well.

Running back is deep, The linebacker group is right around average.

TE class is relatively good with the potential of two TEs going in the first round.

[Deputy Nutz]

I would keep an eye out for SEDGe Nic Scourton from A&M.

Scourton intrigues me. The issue with him is that he isn't very tall, but his arms are just short of 34". I think he is an early second round pick, his production especially at Purdue speaks volumes.

[jklowan]

my guess, trade out of the 1st and pick a few day 2 picks

* 34 Emeka Egbuka
WR | Ohio State

* 54 Trey Amos
CB | Mississippi

* 65 Princely Umanmielen
EDGE | Mississippi

* 87 Cameron Williams
OT | Texas

* 100 Deone Walker
DL | Kentucky 

* 124 Dorian Strong
CB | Virginia Tech

* 147 Ty Robinson
DL | Nebraska

* 159 Cobee Bryant
CB | Kansas

* 198 Dillon Gabriel
QB | Oregon


* 237 Kaimon Rucker
EDGE | North Carolina


* 250 Ty Hamilton
DL | Ohio State

[Anti-Polar Bear]

my guess, trade out of the 1st and pick a few day 2 picks

* 34 Emeka Egbuka
WR | Ohio State

* 54 Trey Amos
CB | Mississippi

* 65 Princely Umanmielen
EDGE | Mississippi

* 87 Cameron Williams
OT | Texas

* 100 Deone Walker
DL | Kentucky 

* 124 Dorian Strong
CB | Virginia Tech

* 147 Ty Robinson
DL | Nebraska

* 159 Cobee Bryant
CB | Kansas

* 198 Dillon Gabriel
QB | Oregon


* 237 Kaimon Rucker
EDGE | North Carolina


* 250 Ty Hamilton
DL | Ohio State

Draft takes place in Green Bay. What happened to Dan Devine’s dog could happen to Gutekunst’s dog, too, if the Packers don’t pick a young un on Thursday night.

I would be fine and dandy with the Packers trading up for Shedeur Sanders. To borrow Harrell’s favorite band, Snow Patrol, what if this is all the Love we ever get?

[bobblehead]

Defensive line, both DT and Edge. This draft is going to hit for teams that can wake up the sleepers, or find guys that they can maximize the potential.

Wide receiver on paper is relatively weak, and the same can be said for the Corner position. Offensive tackle has a lot of mid-tier talent, but too many question marks on the top tier guys and little value on the late round guys. Quarterback is also relatively weak. Interior offensive line is also pretty poor on paper as the second tier center's are projected as 4th-5thnd guys.

Safety is just alright as well.

Running back is deep, The linebacker group is right around average.

TE class is relatively good with the potential of two TEs going in the first round.

So my hope is that a bunch of teams in front of us pass on DT because it is a deep draft and they think they can land a player later. If that happens we might get a value pick at our position....and its a position we could use more depth at. As I've said, I want BPA almost exclusively as I don't see a position of absolute on fire need, but I think we can improve almost everywhere.

I see mocks where Mike Green and/or Josh Simmons slip to us. Green is about the only edge who could be available at our pick that I would want. I don't try and overpredict who will be there as last year a lot of people insisted Cooper DeJean wouldn't be available by our pick. Then again I thought Mims or Fautanu absolutely would be.

[Fritz]

So what if there's some all-world running back on the board as BPA when the Packers pick at 23? Do you pull the trigger?

If the Packers try to "wake up the sleepers or find guys that they can maximize the potential" on the defensive line, they'd better have better coaching than they did the last two years. Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Mess, Kenny Clark's regression, Devonte Wyatt's stalling out. It weren't pretty.

[sharpe1027]

So what if there's some all-world running back on the board as BPA when the Packers pick at 23? Do you pull the trigger?

If the Packers try to "wake up the sleepers or find guys that they can maximize the potential" on the defensive line, they'd better have better coaching than they did the last two years. Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Mess, Kenny Clark's regression, Devonte Wyatt's stalling out. It weren't pretty.

Yes. Every time. Unfortunately, it's never that black and white

[Deputy Nutz]

So what if there's some all-world running back on the board as BPA when the Packers pick at 23? Do you pull the trigger?

If the Packers try to "wake up the sleepers or find guys that they can maximize the potential" on the defensive line, they'd better have better coaching than they did the last two years. Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Mess, Kenny Clark's regression, Devonte Wyatt's stalling out. It weren't pretty.

Well unfortunately like many drafts You are drafting on potential, measurements, and development. Not many sure fire draft prospects in this draft if any draft. Organizations have to put a premium on hiring the best most qualified staff but the NFL is like any big business, people hire friends or people with connections. It is why you see so many coaches consistently get on and off the carousel. Organizations and head coaches consistently shoot themselves in the foot by hiring friends and keeping friends on the staff when they should be fired.

The Packers have an all world running back, they need all world wide receivers, defensive tackles, and cornerbacks. It's a very short term perspective, but with running backs life span in the NFL I think I would continue to pass on the running back position, especially in the first couple of rounds.

[bobblehead]

So what if there's some all-world running back on the board as BPA when the Packers pick at 23? Do you pull the trigger?

If the Packers try to "wake up the sleepers or find guys that they can maximize the potential" on the defensive line, they'd better have better coaching than they did the last two years. Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Mess, Kenny Clark's regression, Devonte Wyatt's stalling out. It weren't pretty.

Part of understanding football is understanding that you need certain pieces in place FIRST. You can't run the ball with a shitty OL (and you can't win without effective running). In said case they should trade back if its that clearly the BPA. We have zero need at RB and the positional value limits the idea that it could be the BPA....but if Jeanty falls to us? Fuck it, grab him if you can't get trade value.

[sharpe1027]

If you can get an all world running back on a rookie deal and there's no other player rated similarly, there should be no hesitation. It's never that simple, however.

[bobblehead]

In my book positional value goes something like this:

QB, DL (all across the board), OL, CB, TE, S, WR, off ball LB, RB. I would lump TE/S/WR pretty tight. But the game is won in the trenches and by QB play. So the QB is the man and hitting him and keeping him from being hit is paramount. After that he needs to throw the ball well so denying him targets and getting him targets comes next. Then you don't need to be run first, but you need to be able to run, so LBs who chase and tackle and guys who tote the rock are last. In todays game if you find LB/RB who are good in pass game and run game they move up in value though. In said case you can lump everyone after CB together. But I would always always build a team from the trenches out.

[sharpe1027]

I was coming at it from the hypothetical situation from Fritz.

For example, if Shaquan Barkley was available to the Packers to pick last year on a rookie deal, they take him over Jordan Morgan every time.

[bobblehead]

If you can get an all world running back on a rookie deal and there's no other player rated similarly, there should be no hesitation. It's never that simple, however.

I would agree if we hadn't sunk 12 million a year into the guy we have already. Only 1 rock, so I'm not so sure I want to spend a first, however as I said, and you are even more convinced....if a steal slides and you can't get any value by trading back....take him. Don't take an inferior player cuz you perceive a need.

[bobblehead]

I was coming at it from the hypothetical situation from Fritz.

For example, if Shaquan Barkley was available to the Packers to pick last year on a rookie deal, they take him over Jordan Morgan every time.

Probably, but Saquon was top 5 I think. Truly a generational talent. Yea, I guess I have to agree, in the crazy scenario he is available at 20something ship it.

[sharpe1027]

Probably, but Saquon was top 5 I think. Truly a generational talent. Yea, I guess I have to agree, in the crazy scenario he is available at 20something ship it.

Fritz asked about an all world RB. It's an unrealistic hypothetical but you take Barkley over Jordan Morgan even if you already have Barry Sanders in his prime. Every time.

[Fritz]

Well, that’s a definitive answer to my question. As a fan, it’s hard to think that way, but logically it makes sense.

Yet I am still hoping for a DT or DE with that first round pick.

[Deputy Nutz]

The Packers have been relatively quiet on the Defensive Tackle front. they haven't brought a bunch of top end guys into Green Bay to interview them. That could be a smoke screen, but I think they would be absolutely foolish not spending significant draft capital on a defensive tackle. I am less concerned about the defensive end position although one more edge should be brought in. Wyatt hasn't shown a hill of beans in consistency in his first 3 years and Clark is starting to show his age and has about 1 season left in Green Bay. I think it is the one hole on this defense that needs to be immediately filled. Some may say corner, but the Packers were a top ten passing defense last season, and they did a really good job against the Eagles in coverage.

[jklowan]

get ready for a trade down...
"I told Gutekunst, if it's the best thing for the #Packers to trade out of the first round, go ahead." - Mark Murphy pic.twitter.com/MbyDl5k6Vu

[Deputy Nutz]

It would suck from a perspective of having the draft in Green Bay and on the biggest night of the draft with the most eyes on Thursday night and the Packers trading out of the first round would sort of suck. I do not disagree with trading down in the first round, but it would be a tough pill to swallow.

[call_me_ishmael]

If you're like me and believe that just about everything is staged, it wouldn't shock me if the Packers trade-up or a premium player falls for whatever reason and the Packers nab them. I put those scenarios about equally likely as the trade-down.

[bobblehead]

Well, that’s a definitive answer to my question. As a fan, it’s hard to think that way, but logically it makes sense.

Yet I am still hoping for a DT or DE with that first round pick.

I watched a little walter nolen film recently. He reminds me of John Randle a bit. High motor. I like high motor big men. He slots around where we pick.

[bobblehead]

It would suck from a perspective of having the draft in Green Bay and on the biggest night of the draft with the most eyes on Thursday night and the Packers trading out of the first round would sort of suck. I do not disagree with trading down in the first round, but it would be a tough pill to swallow.

I'm with you, but I think Gutes feels we are real close and he's more likely to trade up then down. And unless he just REALLY doesn't see anyone he particularly likes I don't see him trading down.

[SudsMcBucky]

I'm with you, but I think Gutes feels we are real close and he's more likely to trade up then down. And unless he just REALLY doesn't see anyone he particularly likes I don't see him trading down.

I could definitely see a trade down if no one he has a 1st round grade on is there at our pick. Almost everyone says once you get past the 15-20 picks, there is very little difference between later 1st round and 3rd round. So, in that case, he may take more bites at the apple to double up on a few positions like he did TE a couple years ago.

[jklowan]

I'm with you, but I think Gutes feels we are real close and he's more likely to trade up then down. And unless he just REALLY doesn't see anyone he particularly likes I don't see him trading down.


I could not disagree more with you on this. This years draft is average at most positions, seems like the ideal year to trade down and pick up an extra pick or 2. Maybe that extra could be used to trade Alexader with to Cinny for a proven Edge {{{{{91}}}}}} please or at the minimum more cracks at this to hopefully find some steals

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It would suck from a perspective of having the draft in Green Bay and on the biggest night of the draft with the most eyes on Thursday night and the Packers trading out of the first round would sort of suck. I do not disagree with trading down in the first round, but it would be a tough pill to swallow.

S’up, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing The Waterboy to your players?

I kid you not: as someone with a Master’s in Mock Draft from the Mel Kiper Jr. School of College Football Scouting and Hair Design at the prestigious ESPNU, I can only name 2 players in this draft class:

1. Shedeur Sanders
2. Travis Hunter

What if Sanders falls into the Packers’ lap? Recall how some cocky kid from Butte Community College once fell into the Polar Bear’s lap? Sanders reminds me of Butte, and it ain’t cos they’re both cocky as fuck.

[Deputy Nutz]

S’up, Nutz. Still listening to Coldplay and showing The Waterboy to your players?

I kid you not: as someone with a Master’s in Mock Draft from the Mel Kiper Jr. School of College Football Scouting and Hair Design at the prestigious ESPNU, I can only name 2 players in this draft class:

1. Shedeur Sanders
2. Travis Hunter

What if Sanders falls into the Packers’ lap? Recall how some cocky kid from Butte Community College once fell into the Polar Bear’s lap? Sanders reminds me of Butte, and it ain’t cos they’re both cocky as fuck.

I would trade the pick

[Fritz]

I watched a little walter nolen film recently. He reminds me of John Randle a bit. High motor. I like high motor big men. He slots around where we pick.

It would be nice to have a high-energy big man. I believe he also came on a visit to Green Bay. His short shuttle test was not good, and he comes in at under 300 lbs (Is that an issue? I have no real idea), but he sounds disruptive - and he's only 22. A youngun'.

[bobblehead]

I could not disagree more with you on this. This years draft is average at most positions, seems like the ideal year to trade down and pick up an extra pick or 2. Maybe that extra could be used to trade Alexader with to Cinny for a proven Edge {{{{{91}}}}}} please or at the minimum more cracks at this to hopefully find some steals

You aren't disagreeing with me. I said we SHOULD trade down, I just don't think we will. I was pretty clear about it.

[sharpe1027]

The problem with trading down when the draft is weak at the top is finding someone that thinks otherwise and wants to trade up...

[Deputy Nutz]

I watched a little walter nolen film recently. He reminds me of John Randle a bit. High motor. I like high motor big men. He slots around where we pick.

I don't love him. He played on a defensive line that could see 4 guys get drafted so that limited the number of times he was double teamed this year and I saw too many times him getting stuck on the line of scrimmage on pass sets, I would like to see quicker reaction to reading pass vs run. When he is on the move taking gaps or on stunts he was at his best. He doesn't seem to get his hips flipped and get skinny very often. I think he is just ok vs the run.

[Fritz]

Since I don't know jack about these guys it's fun for me to read differing opinions on this board.

It'll be interesting to see how this draft plays out. Will it be one where, because DT is supposed to be a pretty deep position, teams wait, thinking they'll grab one later, and the Pack will get their pick of one of the top DT's? Or will they also think they can get one later, so go for another position that lacks that depth, like maybe wide receiver or corner?

[SudsMcBucky]

The problem with trading down when the draft is weak at the top is finding someone that thinks otherwise and wants to trade up...

That's why I'm hoping Shedeur and Dart are available in the Packer pick range because then it only takes 1 QB needy team that has fallen in love with 1 of those 2 guys to wanna jump up to grab him and get that 5th for a 1st round pick on him.

[Fritz]

That's why I'm hoping Shedeur and Dart are available in the Packer pick range because then it only takes 1 QB needy team that has fallen in love with 1 of those 2 guys to wanna jump up to grab him and get that 5th for a 1st round pick on him.

Do you mean you think the Packers would only get a fifth rounder in exchange for moving back in the first or into the top of the second? I'd hope they'd do better than that, if that's what you mean.

[SudsMcBucky]

Do you mean you think the Packers would only get a fifth rounder in exchange for moving back in the first or into the top of the second? I'd hope they'd do better than that, if that's what you mean.

No, that wasn't even remotely what I was meaning. That was a complete typo of some sort.

[jklowan]

To my eyes, I think it's WR/DT or CB as our 1st pick and the more research I do a trade down seems pretty likely, of course we need a partner. Look at the list of players brought in, all seem like 2nd rounders and most mocks I've seen or done have the player available in the second round.

I think the BIG move on Day 1 for the Packers is going to be a player trade with the Pack adding day 2 picks. Malik Willis, Quay Walker and Jaire Alexander (https://www.packers.com/team/players-roster/jaire-alexander/) all being the candidates I keep hearing/reading about interest of varying degree. Jaire trade is now hurt by Miami trading Jalen Ramsey (https://www.miamidolphins.com/team/players-roster/jalen-ramsey/) as he may be older but has missed less games and is playing at a high level

[sharpe1027]

That's why I'm hoping Shedeur and Dart are available in the Packer pick range because then it only takes 1 QB needy team that has fallen in love with 1 of those 2 guys to wanna jump up to grab him and get that 5th for a 1st round pick on him.

True. Even then, the team moving up might trade with a team right before or after us. Sometimes you just need to make the pick.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ramsey actually plays football, Alexander has missed over half of the games he was eligible to play in over the past 3 years. There is no trade value for Alexander with his lack of games played, his contract, and his attitude. The Packers are in a position to cut him in June. Teams will wait until June to pick him up instead of taking on the remainder of his contract.

Packers brought in Tet McMillan a couple of days ago

[sharpe1027]

I agree. It's unlikely someone trades for Jaire. I guess stranger things have happened, but I'm not holding my breath.

[jklowan]

I agree. It's unlikely someone trades for Jaire. I guess stranger things have happened, but I'm not holding my breath.


I have read Buffalo made an offer of a 3rd and a 6th but wanted the Packers to eat 50% of his salary and they passed, they must believe he has some value or they would have realeased him by now. I think the problem is Jaire is refusing to renegotiate his contract which is his right

[texaspackerbacker]

Undoubtedly, the whole rest of the world is not nearly as negative about Jaire as various Packer fans.

[MadScientist]

Undoubtedly, the whole rest of the world is not nearly as negative about Jaire as various Packer fans.

But by the sounds of things, they do think he's not worth the contract. Basically, in this trade, the Packers would be paying ~$10M for the 3rd and 6th. That will make it a bit harder to sign or re-sign someone else.

[sharpe1027]

I have read Buffalo made an offer of a 3rd and a 6th but wanted the Packers to eat 50% of his salary and they passed, they must believe he has some value or they would have realeased him by now. I think the problem is Jaire is refusing to renegotiate his contract which is his right

They're probably waiting for the June cut date to lessen the cap hit this year.

[smuggler]

You can designate cuts as post-June 1, but not trades, right? Makes sense.

[sharpe1027]

I think trades are treated the same. They could be waiting on a trade until June as well

[SudsMcBucky]

Do you mean you think the Packers would only get a fifth rounder in exchange for moving back in the first or into the top of the second? I'd hope they'd do better than that, if that's what you mean.

Just to clarify what I meant, it wasn't a 5th round pick. I was meaning to say the trading team, if they really wanted to get back into the 1st for the QB they liked, would also do so for that 5th year option they'd get on that 1st round pick. Not sure why I didn't complete that thought. LOL.

[Patler]

The Packers salary cap for this year is in good-enough shape that I don't think the pre-June/post-June impact is of much concern to them. Alexander doesn't seem to have any off-season payments coming to him, such as roster bonuses and the like, that would force an earlier decision. As a result, there is no reason for Green Bay not to hold out until they get a deal they like.

The draft always involves a lot of trades. Alexander could be used as a sweetener in a deal allowing the Packers to move up, trading with a team having both cap space and a need at CB.

I can also see the Packers hanging on to him until later in the off-season before making a deal with a team that makes its post-draft roster assessment and sees a CB need.

They could also make a "your headache" for "our headache" trade with a team having a player with a similar cap hit and a similar questionable future. It would give each player and team a fresh start without really sacrificing anything.

In short, GB has no urgency to make a deal or cut Alexander. The only date of significance is the start of training camp. For Alexander to come to camp and risk injury, GB would have to be willing to keep and pay him for the season,

[sharpe1027]

I agree they CAN cut him pre June. After all, that still frees up $7M or so in this year's cap. Even so, they may prefer to wait and take some of the hit next year. It all depends on what other moves/extensions they intend to do.

I doubt they let him enter camp and risk injury. I think he's gone before then one way or another.It's matter of when, not if, in my opinion.

[pittstang5]

Stupid question - Is there anyway Jaire stays with the Packers this year? Haven't read or heard much about what the rumor mills are spewing these days - kinda lost interest. Any chance he stays or is it inevitable he's gone, regardless of how (Trade or Cut).

[MadScientist]

About the only way they'd keep him is with a large pay cut. Given his attitude issues, it's hard to see him taking a big cut in stride.

[sharpe1027]

They could keep him, but I highly doubt they will.

[smuggler]

I could also see them keeping him with the hope he stays healthy and plays well (enough) to trade him next offseason. It's quite a gamble considering his price tag this year, but it's possible.

[Bretsky]

I think both QB's will be long gone. BUt if one were there it'd be an ideal tradedown with a team wanting to get their QB and have that 5 year 1st round window

[sharpe1027]

Just imagine if they picked a QB in RD 1...

[Deputy Nutz]

Undoubtedly, the whole rest of the world is not nearly as negative about Jaire as various Packer fans.
I love how Jaire plays ball, especially earlier in his career before the shoulder injury. He has played less then 50% of games in the last few years.

[Deputy Nutz]

Just imagine if they picked a QB in RD 1...
It would be the craziest thing in this draft. if one of the top 3 QBs is there when the Packers pick a trade down would be warranted especially if a guy like Grant or Harmon is not there. The top tier edge rushers will be gone and I don't think the Packers have to chase an edge. It would be one thing if Williams drops or Green drops but the Packers have three guys that they are confident in at edge.

if a team really wants Dart or Sanders and they are available, trade down and pick up Hairston at corner.

[jklowan]

I am really hoping for a trade down but what if Will Johnson falls to us do you take a trade down with him still on the board? He seems like the player starting to fall in mocks

[jklowan]

Say Derrick Harmon, Will Johnson & Mike Green are all available who ya got?

[sharpe1027]

Say Derrick Harmon, Will Johnson & Mike Green are all available who ya got?

Green?

[Spaulding]

Say Derrick Harmon, Will Johnson & Mike Green are all available who ya got?

Tough choice. In the end I'd go with Harmon given the need for another big body up front and Clark's contract after this year.

Harmon showed good year to year growth and I love the thought of a DT pushing the middle of the pocket more than Green coming off the edge.

Green looks to have had maturity issues and really has only good year at a non power 5 school.

Johnson is tempting but I have the fear he's going to bite too many times in his attempts to make a splash play and that's a hard habit to break.

[Deputy Nutz]

i don't love Harmon's film in comparison to Grant and I think there is a lot of value at the DT position in this draft. If Will Johnson is there I think you draft him. He is the best corner in the draft without the injury. Mike Green had a great season of production at Marshall and had a hell of a Senior Bowl, I would probably draft him if he was there.

[Spaulding]

i don't love Harmon's film in comparison to Grant and I think there is a lot of value at the DT position in this draft. If Will Johnson is there I think you draft him. He is the best corner in the draft without the injury. Mike Green had a great season of production at Marshall and had a hell of a Senior Bowl, I would probably draft him if he was there.

I can't see Grant making it to #23 though. Given your avoidance of Harmon at our draft spot, at #23 would you consider Nolan whose seems to have a higher season based on his athleticism?

[Fritz]

But by the sounds of things, they do think he's not worth the contract. Basically, in this trade, the Packers would be paying ~$10M for the 3rd and 6th. That will make it a bit harder to sign or re-sign someone else.

Man, I'd pull the trigger on that deal. You're going to be stuck with Jaire and his salary (full) lor cut him and save some salary but not get anything in return. Why not suck it up and eat ten million and buy yourself a third and a sixth?

[Deputy Nutz]

I can't see Grant making it to #23 though. Given your avoidance of Harmon at our draft spot, at #23 would you consider Nolan whose seems to have a higher season based on his athleticism?

I like Harmon over Nolan. I think Nolan has a lot to work on.

[run pMc]

Harmon over Nolan.

If Will Johnson is there, you take him. Healthy he's a top 10 if not top 5 player, and they rarely drop that far. Same thing for someone like Travis Hunter or Ashton Jeanty. They are top 10 types of players.

Shaduer might be a Day 2 guy, he's accurate but he's short and he's not a super athlete. he screams decent backup/game manager type to me on the NFL level. The QBs this year aren't very good; Cam Ward could very easily bust if he has a crappy team around him.

I think Gute will lean DL in R1, and take a WR on Day 2. Shemar Stewart, Mykel Williams, Tyleik Williams, Derrick Harmon, maybe Kenneth Grant (who I do like)... either a big DE type or a DT who can play nose and provide pass rush. Corner and OL will be Day 3 developmental types.
Rationale on DL: the pass rush was not great last year, Slaton is gone, Clark and Wyatt might be gone after this year. At DE, Enagbare is in a contract year, LVN has to show the new DL coach something, and there's even talk that Gary could be gone if he underwhelms again.
Between Jaire, Kenny Clark, and Gary they had a lot of money tied up in not a lot of production and they are going to make some decisions about them soon.

Jaire is a mystery, but I think they would rather the cap space -- especially for 2026 -- than a player who plays 50% of the games at best.

I don't see a lot of trade-up/down in R1 for Gute. A lot of teams want to move down allegedly. The talent drops a tier pretty fast in R1, and the R2-tier is much deeper. It's likely Gute takes a guy he really loves at 23 that the concensus board has at like 38, and everyone screams about him overdrafting a guy when he's just making sure he got the guy he wanted, knowing they won't be there at 54.

Ultimately if they can play, they're good picks. Getting good value is even better.

[wthigoot]

Will there be a draft contest this year? I finally got on the board last year.

https://packerrats.com/showthread.php?32885-Official-2024-Packerrats-Draft-Contest

I'll start the thread if there is interest.

[Spaulding]

Will there be a draft contest this year? I finally got on the board last year.

https://packerrats.com/showthread.php?32885-Official-2024-Packerrats-Draft-Contest

I'll start the thread if there is interest.

Interested

[MadScientist]

Will there be a draft contest this year? I finally got on the board last year.

https://packerrats.com/showthread.php?32885-Official-2024-Packerrats-Draft-Contest

I'll start the thread if there is interest.

If you post it, we will play.

[Deputy Nutz]

Shemar Stewart gives me really bad vibes because he is a total Gute pick. Super athletic but lacks serious production. If I was smart I would have picked in the Packerrat draft contest.

[texaspackerbacker]

I have intentionally avoided thinking much about draft picks until after the Packers make them. It's more a matter of what position should we take or prioritize and which ones do we have no need of, early in the draft anyway. However, I have read most of what others are saying in here, a lot of it seeming to be good sense, some not so much.

Ideally, we draft a super high quality Corner in the first round, but as happens so many years, it sounds like most of them will be gone before our pick. And then there's the thing about great college Corners not being great in the NFL too often. I really don't like the idea of drafting a "yokozuma" or whatever APB calls them, either O or D, in the first or second round. This year, though, D Line might be the biggest need. If we could get a absolute shut down run stopper, that might be worth a top pick. It Harmon that? I don't know, maybe. IMO, we're pretty solid at Edge Rusher now, but that's a position like Corner, if somebody really stands out, you take him. And then there's WR. We're loaded with 2nd tier guys. As nice as it would be to get a truly top tier WR, it seems like there's a lot more potential for disappointment at that position than others. I was thrilled when we drafted Watson, and he hasn't exactly panned out. Egbuka seems a lot like Jefferson, but I wouldn't bet a #1 pick on it. I see a lot of people in here are picking Egbuka in the 2nd or even lower. That IMO would be great if it happened, but a shaky assumption that he would fall that far.

Positions to avoid early: QB, RB, TE, O Line, Safety.

[Deputy Nutz]

Tex, one this draft has some depth at the defensive line, but I really think the top tier has the most bang for its buck. To me Kenneth Grant is the top defensive lineman in this draft. Although he is massive, he isn't just a two gap run stuffer. His recognition and reaction are really damn good. He could be a three down lineman in the NFL. I think Graham gets a lot of play and will be the first defensive lineman taken in this draft by a wide margin but I think a lot of his production can be contributed by playing next to Grant. Harmon is probably the third best because he is larger than Nolen, and plays the run a little better, but both lack the recognition and reaction of Grant and Graham. If Grant fell to the Packer I would personally think taking him is a no brainer.

I think Tyleik Williams might have the most upside because of his size and ability, but he needs to get a lot stronger and play with a little more aggression in beating blocks. Norman-Lott is very similar to Williams although not as big, but when he goes he goes.

The Packers need an impact player at receiver, and although we want to be specific in terms of size and position, the Packers need playmakers outside of their tight ends to make plays catching the football. The best chance they have for this is taking Egeubka, Golden, or Higgins. McMillian will go in the top ten. I wouldn't hate if they took Egeubka in the first round if available and I don't think Higgins is that big of a reach if they took him with the 23rd pick. Tre Harris is a second round pick. He did a lot of damage in 2024 against some sub tier programs, he isn't as dynamic he gets a lot of balls on comebacks which is a really important route at any level, but he is a post runner, although he does a nice job determining the angle of his break it isn't an overly difficult route.

I really like Jack Bech, some will want to compare him to Jordy Nelson, but that's just because they are white. Bech is probably one of the top route runners in this draft, and really understands defensive coverage and the appropriate angles to get over and under zone coverage. He also does a great job of catching the ball in traffic. Packers need a receiver that can work in tight spaces and come down with the ball.

[run pMc]

I like Bech too, and agree this is a good draft for D-Linemen.
If you're taking one in R1 they better be a difference maker and/or a three down player. Drafting a designated pass rusher type or a run-stopper only is a big investment in R1 - they are going to play 30-40% of snaps at best.
For all the "yokozuma" talk, look at the Eagles and their top 5 OL and very good DL. They won in the trenches this year. Saquon is very talented, but he runs for half those yards in NY. OL and DL is a solid 20-25% of your roster, you HAVE to make constant investments in it or else you have a sieve.

I don't think they will take an OL high, where would they start? They need some players who can back up now and start eventually. That sounds like Day 3 picks.

They lost TJ Slaton and didn't replace him, Kenny Clark looked mortal, Devonte Wyatt is basically in a contract year... there will be a call for more players there whether you like it or not. Might as well start now when there's a good draft class for it. Ideally a 3 down player and that usually comes early. They need pass rush, so maybe DE. Depends on the way the board falls.

Corner is a need, but I'd argue it's like OL -- backups now, starters eventually. Outside they have Nixon, Hobbs and Valentine with Bullard in the slot and they could put Nixon or Hobbs in slot if need be. They have Day 1 starters, but if someone gets hurt (and they will) then they need someone to step in. That's a Day 2 or Day 3 pick (or both) IMO.

WR is kind of a need too, I think MLF will find better ways to use Reed and Kraft, but they do need someone who can be a deep threat, and right now I don't see that player on the roster.

[Bretsky]

Shemar Stewart gives me really bad vibes because he is a total Gute pick. Super athletic but lacks serious production. If I was smart I would have picked in the Packerrat draft contest.


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[Arctic Fox]

Any chance we will trade up and get Hunter??

[MadtownPacker]

Any chance we will trade up and get Hunter??
Fixed the DB and WR need in one shot? Not bad. It would be a badass way to welcome the draft to GB.

[King Friday]

Zero chance we trade up.

40% chance we trade down.

[run pMc]

Shemar Stewart gives me really bad vibes because he is a total Gute pick. Super athletic but lacks serious production. If I was smart I would have picked in the Packerrat draft contest.

Drafting in the 20's all the time, I get why he takes big swings on these athletes - a super athletic pass rusher is more likely to succeed than a pedestian athletic tyoe. That said, I would like a little better production.
A lot of teams, especially SEC ones, have their DL play the run and concern themselves with mobile QBs and the option and RPO's, so there aren't a lot of true dropback pass rush opportunities, especially if you're playing the 4i.

I wouldn't hate the pick, but I haven't watched him much because I think some team is going to fall in love with him and take him top 15. The traits are pretty rare, some GM is going to talk themselves into it, thinking their DL coach can teach him up.

[Arctic Fox]

Fixed the DB and WR need in one shot? Not bad. It would be a badass way to welcome the draft to GB.

If, in any shape or form we get it done, I will be one happy camper.

[pittstang5]

So many Mock drafts I've seen lately have the Pack taking Mathew Golden in the 1st round. I don't see it whatsoever, even if he is there. Maybe I'm so used to Packers not taking a WR in round 1. Honestly, i think there's better value in 2nd & 3rd rounds for a WR. I'll be a little disappointed if thats the pick.

[Fritz]

So many Mock drafts I've seen lately have the Pack taking Mathew Golden in the 1st round. I don't see it whatsoever, even if he is there. Maybe I'm so used to Packers not taking a WR in round 1. Honestly, i think there's better value in 2nd & 3rd rounds for a WR. I'll be a little disappointed if thats the pick.

I've landed on Kenneth Grant as my hoped-for Packer pick, if he's still there at #23.

Which means he won't be a Packer, I'm pretty sure.

[jklowan]

I've landed on Kenneth Grant as my hoped-for Packer pick, if he's still there at #23.

Which means he won't be a Packer, I'm pretty sure.

I'm with you, hope he falls and we get em or trade down

[MadtownPacker]

If, in any shape or form we get it done, I will be one happy camper.
At least your dream lasted past the 1st overall. :lol:

[MadtownPacker]

Raiders trying to make up for the loss of Jacobs.