More Banjo - Packers at Vikings

[Joemailman]

Jordan Love - 19-30, 185, 1 TD

Doubs - 7 catches, 58 yards

Tucker Kraft - 2 catches, 53 yards

Edgerrin Cooper - 11 tackles, 4 TFL

Vikings dominated total yards 441-271

Vikings had call for 35:30

Packers 0-5 against NFC Big 3

Discuss

[Teamcheez1]

0-5 against the top 3.
I don’t think we can beat the now healthy Rams on the road either.
With how we finished out last season to now, I haven’t seen a whole lot of improvement overall.
We are still a second tier team.

[ThunderDan]

Packers O shot itself in the foot over and over. Only when the Vikings played prevent did we move the ball easily.

Minn out performed GB for 55 of the 60 minutes.

Cooper is the real deal at LB.

Ooh, and the refs gifted MINN 3 points on a phantom offsides.

[MadtownPacker]

The only consolation is the passing offense played like complete shit for most of the game. Yet at the end there was a chance to steal the win. Not much but fuk I need something to feel better about. Really terrible loss and I wonder if Willis could have been any better today.

[Fritz]

0-5 against the top 3.
I don’t think we can beat the now healthy Rams on the road either.
With how we finished out last season to now, I haven’t seen a whole lot of improvement overall.
We are still a second tier team.

Pass rush, or lack thereof, gave Darnold way too much time today.

Love wasn't good.

Receivers's hands were not good.

Edgerrin Cooper is a difference maker. Carrington Valentine looks like a starting corner.

Gary not a difference maker. Clark not a difference maker.

Daniel Whelan is fuckin' awesome.

[Joemailman]

MLF said Vikings played for man coverage than they expected. I wonder if that happens if Watson's out there.

[pittstang5]

Well that sucked...

I don't see them doing much in the playoffs regardless of seeding.

[Teamcheez1]

I would be the first to say that anything can happen once you’re in the playoffs.
However, I just haven’t seen that spark this year. We seem to constantly come up short against the top teams i.e. we’re not one of them.

[mgordo]

I would be the first to say that anything can happen once you’re in the playoffs.
However, I just haven’t seen that spark this year. We seem to constantly come up short against the top teams i.e. we’re not one of them.

Getting swept by Minnesota and Detroit will never constitute a successful season. Zero signature wins this season. I don’t constitute Seattle as a signature win.

[call_me_ishmael]

0-5 against the top 3.
I don’t think we can beat the now healthy Rams on the road either.
With how we finished out last season to now, I haven’t seen a whole lot of improvement overall.
We are still a second tier team.

They're a worse team this year for sure.

[call_me_ishmael]

Well that sucked...

I don't see them doing much in the playoffs regardless of seeding.

Lotta ballgame left. They will be the second best team in the NFC when all is said and done. Maybe 3rd. Nobody is beating the Eagles when the Lions are this banged up though. And nobody is beating the Chieftans.

[Joemailman]

They're a worse team this year for sure.

I don't think so. They're probably going to win 3 more games than they won last year. People tend to forget they had a 3 week stretch last December where they lost to a bad Giants team, lost to Tampa Bay at home and barely beat a terrible Panthers team. It wasn't all great. Both teams lack the consistency to go all the way.

[Teamcheez1]

I would like to see a comparison of Love's stats for the last 8 games of the 2023 season versus the last 8 games of this season.
Throw out the first half of both seasons.
I want to see how they match up.

[australianpackerbacker]

Jordan Love - 19-30, 185, 1 TD

Doubs - 7 catches, 58 yards

Tucker Kraft - 2 catches, 53 yards

Edgerrin Cooper - 11 tackles, 4 TFL

Vikings dominated total yards 441-271

Vikings had call for 35:30

Packers 0-5 against NFC Big 3

Discuss

At the end of the day, if we pitted this team against the 2010 Packers, this team would do to that squad what the 49ers and Seahawks did to us in those ensuing years, which is beat us with a better team and an inferior quarterback.

If this team had a prime Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre, we'd be in first place.

The passing game is inept. I had hella high confidence going into this year with Loves potential progress and his ceiling for year 2. He's regressed. Receivers are to blame partly but love makes too many errant throws. The offense is sputtering in the pass game, and MLF knew it too, right around the time about 6weeks ago we decided the offense would go through Jacobs and the run, and the balance shifted from being slightly more pass to slightly more run and working off play action. Thats not showing confidence in your quarterback

And someone mentioned the offense coming out onto the field first with the deferral story. MLF is attempting to instill a sense of confidence but strategically you lose a lot and then when you dont score, now youre giving up basically 2 possessions. Dont get me started on the 2min offense, fucking lucky Minnesota coffee up 60secs there or they could have scored, and our guy goes 3 and out? I dont care if you trot out the 85bears, move the fucking ball.

This game shifted momentum on the first FG, instead of going for it on 4th they kick a fg, then Reed seals the shift in momentum by dropping the 4th down throw.

Loves just not cutting it. His intermediate passing game is average, he misses open guys, the guys who are schemed and open running free are somehow invisible. When he throws a deep ball up to Melton that said everything about his down field vision and his ability to break down coverage, seen it too many timea this year when he goes deep its not because he sees something to exploit its because the play is called for it to go to that guy. Smart coaches see through all that bullshit, you cant sugarcoat if a guy has it or you end up giving a JAG a jay cutler contract and you're hoping the belief around him and his own personal growth will bridge everyone into beleiving hes your franshice qb.

Oh well, hes 25/26. In 18mths we'll get to see what these guys do with him cos atm hes the reason we're not putting up 30plus every game. Hate to say it but a prime qb with this offense and playcalling should look like what darnold looks in Minnesota offense

[Joemailman]

Oh well, hes 25/26. In 18mths we'll get to see what these guys do with him cos atm hes the reason we're not putting up 30plus every game. Hate to say it but a prime qb with this offense and playcalling should look like what darnold looks in Minnesota offense

They just did Have a stretch of 5 games scoring 30+ per game. Who the hell scores 30+ every game? Packers are 6th in the NFL in points scored.

[MadtownPacker]

AussiePack does bring up the question I am also starting to wonder. For years we always talked/complained about how our great QBs didn’t have enough of a team around them. Are the Packers now a loaded team that needs a playmaking QB?

[Joemailman]

I'm starting to wonder if the Packers have a bunch of good receivers but lack the kind of great receiver (Jefferson, Adams, Chase) that can take over a game.

[Teamcheez1]

You guys are being pretty harsh on a QB that is only in his second year of starting
A big reason we are in the playoffs is because he has played pretty well overall.
He’s had his ups and downs, but so has this very young team. We aren’t exactly losing to a bunch of stumblebums.
Love has room to grow and a lot of potential.
No, he hasn’t won the big games this year, but it’s a bit early to write him off.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm starting to wonder if the Packers have a bunch of good receivers but lack the kind of great receiver (Jefferson, Adams, Chase) that can take over a game.

I definitely don't think they have the latter, but not sure if they have the former either. They're definitely really good in stretches, and they sound really good together on paper. I do think next year will paint a really clear picture of the WR and TE corps. 88 is slept on due to his plethora of injuries but he's very talented. 85 is a future all-pro IMO. I still kinda think that 13 could be the best of the lot of 'em, but right now he's not playing like a good #3.

[australianpackerbacker]

Its the lack of field vision that bothers me. Too many times ive seen open receivers screaming down the field and love throws somewhere else that in my sense is a lesser play whereas elite guys see yhe field better and pull that trigger. There are a lot of quarterbacks id take to run this offense who are in the league now, who are younger than J Love, who i feel would make more of this situation.

[australianpackerbacker]

They just did Have a stretch of 5 games scoring 30+ per game. Who the hell scores 30+ every game? Packers are 6th in the NFL in points scored.

I mentioned that. And what sprung that shift in scoring was feeding jacobs more not going through love. Which with a great QB should have produced more play action success at the very least. Love has been more conservative and this has seemed to erase his big turnovers but also more of his big plays.

More to it than that but people like to talk shit about this offense not having a no1 receiver, but these guys stats prorated over a full year if all are healthy, reed doubs watson, almost 3 1k receivers on this squad, then you have a top 10 tight end, how are you not scoring 3td in the air per game.

[King Friday]

Love’s greatest issue is accuracy. He’s not a highly accurate QB. He’s not horrible, but he’s middle of the road. Outside of poise, accuracy is the most important attribute for a QB. It is one that you can improve on your own to some extent, and Love needs to work a ton on it this offseason.

[Fritz]

I'm starting to wonder if the Packers have a bunch of good receivers but lack the kind of great receiver (Jefferson, Adams, Chase) that can take over a game.

I've been thinking that in the draft if there's "that guy" sitting there - the wide receiver you refer to - the Packers ought to take him. They lack a stud WR - they have lots of role guys - and frankly, their hands are suspect. Even Jayden Reed seems to be regressing. He had a bad game yesterday and has not been a presence in the offense like he was before. What happened?

[NewsBruin]

As a remote armchair fan, I'm not sure why we're keeping Willis under wraps, unless LaFleur thinks the Malik packages are so valuable for the playoffs they can't have a frame of film available on him.

[CaptainKickass]

I feel like the Packers actually did enough to win against the Vikings. They perhaps didn't win because:

- Kick that FG on that second red zone trip instead of going for it on 4th down. If you're gonna be road warriors to the Owl you gotta learn to take the points in front of you. All season long the offense eventually comes alive. It's ok to take 3 and make it a one point game that early on.

- Clean up the penalties (again) I can't believe they're STILL shooting themselves in the foot. Poor coaching and poor execution on this one thing, for at least this and last season.

- They got away from the ground & pound a bit too early. Sure they were down on the scoreboard but I think Matt LeFleur got spooked by it and got away from the actual team identity.

[George Cumby]

Not kicking the red zone FG was a turn around of six points.

This isn't college level calculus here.

[Teamcheez1]

Good analysis of the passing game over on Acme.
Not exonerating Love, but the receivers didn’t help him through much of the game.
Also think MLF needs to make better adjustments early in the game,

[Joemailman]

This looks like an Aaron Rodgers pass chart.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/static-charts/900/pass-chart_LOV130776_2024-REG-17_1735518518397.jpeg

[mgordo]

Orlovsky had a good analysis that Love needs to take off more against man coverage since he isn't account for.

[Fritz]

Orlovsky had a good analysis that Love needs to take off more against man coverage since he isn't account for.

I would like to see him add that as a weapon in the arsenal. It can be a back breaker for other teams. You've got the receivers covered, you seem to have the QB bottled up, the pocket is collapsing - then he squirts out there like Hershey, and fifteen yards later it's a first down.

[Joemailman]

I would like to see him add that as a weapon in the arsenal. It can be a back breaker for other teams. You've got the receivers covered, you seem to have the QB bottled up, the pocket is collapsing - then he squirts out there like Hershey, and fifteen yards later it's a first down.

Not only that, but if you establish the threat that he might run, then you force linebackers and safeties on extended plays into some tough decisions.

[texaspackerbacker]

It sure seemed like almost all the pressure on Love came from the outside - over Tom and Walker, little or none up the middle where Myers and the Guards were. And virtually all the running success was up the middle - where Meyers and the Guards were, very little success outside/off tackle.

[run pMc]

I think the receivers were a bigger problem, along with the pressure Flores was throwing at Love in the 1st half. Reed had a big drop, the receivers didn't like getting bullied in man coverage, and were pushed off their routes. This is a young team, and young receivers often struggle against press and man coverages.

When Love can get the ball out fast or without pressure in his face he's pretty darn good. I have some quibbles with his ball placement and footwork but I think he's a top 10 QB. Sometimes even Rodgers had stinker games.

MLF didn't have enough man-beaters in his game plan, that was an oversight on his part and with Getsy/Saleh around they should have been doing better self-scouting as well as seeing what Flores was doing lately. Teams have started to play more man coverage on GB, you can bet CHI and PHI are paying attention.

This was a tough one, combined with ATL crapping the bed against WAS. They have the 7 seed and might not get out of it.

GB also just hurt themselves repeatedly: penalties, drops, an early fumble... they had a slow start to the game that made them look inept. I think this is who they are this year - talented but sloppy. I still think if they can stop beating themselves they could be a serious threat.