Cya Jaire

[Fosco33]

Time for him to go.

He had a pcl and came back quickly vs the bears, has been a full practice participant but sat games because of ‘swelling’.

Now he’s going for season ending surgery? Something doesn’t smell right here.

Send him packing.

[Joemailman]

It sounds like he was trying to come back but had setbacks after playing and practicing. They were trying to avoid surgery, but finally decided that surgery was necessary. Don't think anything there's anything suspicious about it. Just unfortunate. Injuries are a part of the NFL.

[Teamcheez1]

He just punched his ticket on the David Bakhtiari express.
We paid an exorbitant amount of money for very little production.
Should never play another down for the Packers.

[Fosco33]

LaFleur’s comments recently left it kinda weird. Min 4.

https://www.packersnews.com/videos/sports/nfl/packers/2024/12/30/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-talks-about-the-status-of-jaire-alexander/77329069007/

He could’ve had surgery in week 11 and been back now.

[Bretsky]

LaFleur’s comments recently left it kinda weird. Min 4.

https://www.packersnews.com/videos/sports/nfl/packers/2024/12/30/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-talks-about-the-status-of-jaire-alexander/77329069007/

He could’ve had surgery in week 11 and been back now.


Bad contract and bad production it turns out. See Ya. I'm done with him and hit shit me me attitude

[ThunderDan]

We would save $7.3M on the cap by cutting this offseason.

[call_me_ishmael]

Meh, I tend to agree with Joe. Players want to play and we don't have any reason AFAICT to doubt the official narrative. Stinks that he is hurt again. Great player when healthy. Probably best to cut him lose and maybe try to resign him to a prove it deal.

[Sparkey]

We would save $7.3M on the cap by cutting this offseason.

Designating it a post June 1 cut and the savings is 17.5M

[RashanGary]

We would save $7.3M on the cap by cutting this offseason.

7.3 off the 2025 cap

But not handing him over 16M more in 2025 and then another 18 in 2026. The cap savings in the first year isn’t the best way to look at how much it saves.

[Joemailman]

Meh, I tend to agree with Joe. Players want to play and we don't have any reason AFAICT to doubt the official narrative. Stinks that he is hurt again. Great player when healthy. Probably best to cut him lose and maybe try to resign him to a prove it deal.

If the Packers release him, I don't think he's signing a prove it deal here.

[call_me_ishmael]

If the Packers release him, I don't think he's signing a prove it deal here.

Maybe, but maybe not. AJ Hawk did IIRC. I'm sure the players understand it - they may not like it though.

[Rutnstrut]

He isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is. Ship his overpaid ass somewhere else.

[run pMc]

Bahktiari's issue was with the same knee. Jaire had the shoulder injury, and now it's a knee. It's not like it's the same injury over and over.
Also - there are stats showing the pass defense is better with Jaire than without him.

OK, let's say you cut or find someone to trade you a Day 3 pick for him. What's the plan then? Bring back Stokes? Draft a bunch of rookies? The FA CB class isn't that great - a lot of undersized or old CBs.

His availability is absolutely an issue. I'm not sure you can move from him without a good plan in place. The CBs aren't good enough - with this pass rush - to clamp down on the top passing offenses. The last two losses showed that pretty clearly.

[Fosco33]

Find someone who plays more than 50% of the games so you can create a scheme around that.

[Fritz]

I'd agree with run here - yes, it's frustrating as hell, and easy for us to feel better by saying they should kiss Jaire goodbye, but then what? I'm guessing they'd need to pull off a Ron Wolf - draft three guys at the CB position, and hope one or maybe two turn out.

[Teamcheez1]

Draft some new CB’s and look to free agency.
We do not need another oft-injured player on a high dollar contract.
I doubt he would agree to a large salary reduction which is the only way we should consider keeping him.

[MadtownPacker]

About time all of you joined me on the Jaire aint shit bandwagon.

https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/-mm-/b795f7b45b693450890b1b50db1ab8e51bf6b59c/c=14-0-485-265/local/-/media/2016/01/22/USATODAY/usatsports/feliciaa.jpg?width=1200&disable=upscale&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[Deputy Nutz]

Too much dead money on the cap if you cut or trade him. That's the reality. When he is healthy he is a good corner. The contract overall hurts, but that is hindsight.

[MadScientist]

Too much dead money on the cap if you cut or trade him. That's the reality. When he is healthy he is a good corner. The contract overall hurts, but that is hindsight.
No, the contract was written to be able to be cut next year, because his base jumps up to 16M. They save 7M if they cut him pre June 1 and 17.5M if they cut him after. He will be cut, only the designation is in question. Odds are good that he will be cut. He has only had 1 healthy season in the last 4. The only way they consider keeping him is if he agrees to a big pay cut, to the point where it is cheaper to keep him.

[beveaux1]

No, the contract was written to be able to be cut next year, because his base jumps up to 16M. They save 7M if they cut him pre June 1 and 17.5M if they cut him after. He will be cut, only the designation is in question. Odds are good that he will be cut. He has only had 1 healthy season in the last 4. The only way they consider keeping him is if he agrees to a big pay cut, to the point where it is cheaper to keep him.

He will be cut or traded. He may have enough value to get a late round draft pick if another team would be willing to assume his salary. Depends upon what another team thinks his value might be. We get the signing bonus, but another team might feel like 16 million for a near pro bowl CB might be worth rolling the dice on his health.

[PackPhin]

Time for him to go.

He had a pcl and came back quickly vs the bears, has been a full practice participant but sat games because of ‘swelling’.

Now he’s going for season ending surgery? Something doesn’t smell right here.

Send him packing.

A lot of ppl think the PCL isn't important, but it's very important for CBs as they spend a majority of their time backpedaling with their knees flexed at nearly 90 degrees, which just happens to be the position where the PCL functions. Also, when you're running in a straight line - especially going forward- and have to stop suddenly, the PCL is what keeps your knee from dislocating posteriorly. PCL reconstruction surgery does not have the reliable outcomes as that of ACL surgery. This is a potentially devastating injury for a CB.

I'm not an Orthopedic Surgeon, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

[King Friday]

He’s not going to be back next year…which isn’t much of a loss because we barely had him this year.

[run pMc]

I think it's 50/50 they release him, I suspect they want to see how his knee responds to the surgery. Agree you can't pay all that money to an undersized CB who misses half the games.
Typical: When he's healthy he's very good; problem is he's rarely healthy.

Would make sense for them to draft a couple of CBs; I'm not smitten with the current group of outside corners, and it's unlikely that anyone on the PS (Rochelle, Kalen King, Kamal Hadden) will make the jump from 'can't make the 53' to 'quality starter'.
I think they should let Stokes go too, unless they bring him back on a Dillon-deal for depth.

They're going to need to fix their pass rush as well. Gute's got his work cut out for him.

[Fritz]

Yes he does. Nobody has much talked about it, but with Kenny Clark's play diminishing and TJ Slaton heading into his last year (I think), and Devonte Wyatt being an occasional pass-rush contributor, the interior of the line needs help.

[run pMc]

Yes he does. Nobody has much talked about it, but with Kenny Clark's play diminishing and TJ Slaton heading into his last year (I think), and Devonte Wyatt being an occasional pass-rush contributor, the interior of the line needs help.

This is true, and until recently I had IDL as a priority -- and might be where they go to boost pass rush. I'm not sold on Rebrovich as the DL coach and what he's done to improve/develop the line. All of them seem to have taken a step back, and maybe some of that is due to the switch to 4-3 or a new defense, but by now they should be used to it enough... and the results aren't there. From a draft perspective I think there might be better EDGE depth than IDL, but who knows. I will be stunned if Gute doesn't go heavy on defense this draft. New DCs usually mean at least some new personnel to fit.

TJ Slaton is a bit miscast in the Hafley 4-3 but will get a decent contract elsewhere. I could easily see someone like DEN or PIT bringing him in as a plugger.
Kenny has been a disappointment - he's been a very good player but he's not lived up to that contract extension this season.

[Jaire]

We have a lot of cap next year and are thin at corner.

I can't see it. I think they keep Jaire through his contract.

[Teamcheez1]

You’re going to keep the 3rd highest paid CB in the league who has only been capable of playing half the games the last 3 years?
No, time to move on.

[Joemailman]

I think this will be an Aaron Jones situation. Packers will ask him to take a pay cut. He will refuse. Packers will wish him well.

[Fritz]

Though probably not as warmly as they wished Aaron Jones well.

[Deputy Nutz]

No, the contract was written to be able to be cut next year, because his base jumps up to 16M. They save 7M if they cut him pre June 1 and 17.5M if they cut him after. He will be cut, only the designation is in question. Odds are good that he will be cut. He has only had 1 healthy season in the last 4. The only way they consider keeping him is if he agrees to a big pay cut, to the point where it is cheaper to keep him.

There is 19 million of dead cap hit in 2025 and 2026. it's not just 2025.

[call_me_ishmael]

There is 19 million of dead cap hit in 2025 and 2026. it's not just 2025.

I don't think that's accurate.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/25113/jaire-alexander

Looks like he was 12M of signing bonus left, 2.34M of pushed back money for the next 2 seasons and a void year yielding ~19M total guaranteed money left.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't think that's accurate.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/25113/jaire-alexander

Looks like he was 12M of signing bonus left, 2.34M of pushed back money for the next 2 seasons and a void year yielding ~19M total guaranteed money left.

Holy shit, your link literally say dead cap of 19 million, then you click on the scissors and the two years add up to 19 million!

[call_me_ishmael]

Yikes.

https://x.com/kellyhals/status/1878867140020986053

[Patler]

The question with Alexander is very simple: Is it worth about $17 million to keep him for next year? In view of his availability over his entire career and especially the last four years, I think it is not.

$17 million is about what he would be paid in salary, workout and game day bonuses next year. New money to be committed to him for 2025.

The money already paid to him will count against one or more future salary cap, but it really isn't significant to the Packers right now when that happens. Releasing him, even with the dead cap hit, will actually save cap space in 2025, but that alone is not a reason to cut him because the Packers don't need to scrimp and save for the 2025 salary cap.

If he was a free agent, would you give him a one-year contract for $17 million? In essence, that is what the Packers will be doing if they keep him.

[Bretsky]

Jaire has a shit attitude as well. I would never pay him 17 MIL but we don't save that on the cap if we dump his ass. So I"m in the middle. But he doesn't add a thing to the locker room atmosphere

[Deputy Nutz]

Well after refusing to be interviewed in locker clean out on Monday and saying "I have nothing good to say, and I probably won't be back here."
I think Alexander summed it all up for us. Packers will cut him, no one will trade for him. He is talented and I really like his energy but to many injuries and his knucklehead behavior isn't a good mesh on this young team.

[run pMc]

Not sure what the context of his comments were, garbagebird app twitter makes it easy to just have a catchy quote. Jaire is a different kind of dude, but he's not a locker room cancer.

I am starting to lean towards it ending like Joe says - the AJo treatment. Still a good player when healthy, just not healthy enough to count on suiting up for Sunday. The last couple seasons were a coin flip if he would play each Sunday, you can't have that as a DC out of your CB1.

I might have misheard somewhere that it's better to cut him this offseason than next for cap purposes, so I'm of the thinking that they should just rip off the bandaid if they are going to do it.
Gute might want to hang on to him, which I can't help but feel goes against the Wolf-ism that it's better to let someone go a year too soon than a year too late.

[Patler]

... the Wolf-ism that it's better to let someone go a year too soon than a year too late.

"Wolf-ism"??? Lombardi was famous for it! :)