Packers Offseason/Free Agency/ Non-Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

Key Dates:

Feb 1 to March 4 - Period that teams can designate franchise or transition players

March 10-12 - Teams can enter into negotiations with prospective UFA's from 12:00 PM ET time on the 10th until 4:00 PM ET on the 12th.

March 12 - Beginning of new league year at 4:00 PM ET. Teams can sign free agents and make trades.

March 30-April 2 - Annual League Meeting

April 21 - Offseason Workout Program begins

[Joemailman]

Packers prospective free agents:

Eric Stokes - UFA
AJ Dillon - UFA
Corey Ballentine - UFA
Josh Myers - UFA
Eric Wilson - UFA
Brandon McManus - UFA
Andre Dillard - UFA
Tyler Davis - UFA
Robert Rochell - UFA
Tedarrell Slaton - UFA
Isaiah McDuffie - UFA
John Fitzpatrick - RFA
Zayne Anderson - ERFA
Arron Mosby - ERFA
Daniel Whelan - ERFA
Emanuel Wilson - ERFA
Bo Melton - ERFA
Kadeem Telfort - ERFA
Ellis Merriweather - SFA

[sharpe1027]

Packers with an estimated $51M in cap space.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hard to want to keep any of those guys, I would say Melton, Slayton, Ballentine, and Eric Wilson

[Joemailman]

Hard to want to keep any of those guys, I would say Melton, Slayton, Ballentine, and Eric Wilson

They will keep Emanuel Wilson, Whelan and McManus. Not so sure about Slaton. Depends on market value.

[Joemailman]

Packers with an estimated $51M in cap space.

Spotrac has them with 63M. Can't figure out where they differ. Add 7/18 million when they cut Jaire, the higher number if they use post June 1 designation.

[Joemailman]

I expect Sean Mannion to get the QB coach job.

At his season-ending press conference on Tuesday morning, Packers head coach Matt LaFleur told reporters quarterbacks coach Tom Clements is retiring.

Clements, 71, previously came out of retirement to rejoin the Packers in 2022 after spending 2019-2020 with the Cardinals.

“Man, it’s been a cool ride with him for the last three years,” LaFleur said. “He’s incredibly consistent. What a great man, great mind.

“Obviously, he’s had the opportunity to coach some of the best. I mean, you talk about [Brett] Favre, [Aaron] Rodgers, and then the development of Jordan Love, I mean, that’s pretty cool. I know he’s meant a lot to this organization, his contributions. He will definitely be missed. I just can’t say enough great things about him. Really appreciate him.”

Clements, 71, first joined the Packers in 2006 as QBs coach under Mike McCarthy, coaching Favre for his last two years with the franchise. He was then promoted to offensive coordinate in 2012 before serving as assistant head coach from 2015-2016.

LaFleur said there are “potentially” in-house candidates for quarterbacks coach, but “we’ll see what happens.”

[Patler]

Not surprising that Clements is retiring, ...again. The Packers convinced him to come out of retirement a few years ago and reportedly talked out of "re-retiring" last year.

[Joemailman]

Not surprising that Clements is retiring, ...again. The Packers convinced him to come out of retirement a few years ago and reportedly talked out of "re-retiring" last year.

Congrats on post #20,000. What took you so long?:-D

[run pMc]

Tender the ERFA's (they are cheap and useful)

Sign McAnus and probably let the rest test the market. None of them are cornerstone players. They're mostly replacement level or depth players you can bring back the 3rd week of free agency.
Maybe you sign one of the LBs? McDuffie can play the run but can't cover. Neither he nor Wilson is as good as Quay, and people seem to hate him.

Gotta keep churning the roster over: find younger, healthier, more upside.

[Joemailman]

The Green Bay Packers have signed DL Deslin Alexandre, S Omar Brown, DL James Ester, CB Kamal Hadden, K Alex Hale, G Marquis Hayes, WR Julian Hicks, G/T Donovan Jennings, WR Cornelius Johnson, CB Kalen King, DL Jeremiah Martin and TE Messiah Swinson to reserve/future contracts. General Manager Brian Gutekunst announced the transactions Monday.

All 12 players finished the season on the Packers' practice squad.

[Patler]

Congrats on post #20,000. What took you so long?:-D

Thanks! Didn't even realize it was coming up.

[Deputy Nutz]

Free agent splashes I would like to see the Packers make.
1. C: Drew Dalman - 26yo mauler in ATL. Incredible athlete. Joy to watch.
2. DE: Dayo Odeyingbo - 12 sacks in '23. 11% pressures in '24. Big EDGE.
3. NT: Benito Jones - 8% pressure at 335 pounds. 27yo.
4. 3T: Javon Kinlaw - DT15 in PRWR. 8% pressure. 27yo 1st-rounder.
5. LB: Lavonte David - 6 sacks in Bowles' blitz scheme. Zone coverage.
6. CB: D.J. Reed - 28yo feisty outside CB opposite Sauce Gardner. Consistent.
7. CB: Brandon Stephens - 27yo outside CB in Ravens all-encompassing scheme.
8. CB: Byron Murphy - Versatile 27yo under Flores. 6 INTs moving inside-out.
9. OL: Patrick Mekari - 27yo with 685+ career snaps at LT, LG, C, and RT.
10. OL: Mekhi Becton - Much better inside in run-heavy PHI system. 26yo.

I get it, the Packers won't sign all 10 guys, but there are some "deals" to be had here. There is no Tee Higgins, or unfortunately any wide receivers on this list because it's pretty shallow. Old and washed is what your money will by with this year's crop of WRs.

Also I haven't looked at any stats or anything but I thought Stokes played much better towards the end of the season for the Packers.

[Joemailman]

Also I haven't looked at any stats or anything but I thought Stokes played much better towards the end of the season for the Packers.

Stokes seemed to play a lot better later in the year when Jaire was out. Because they played more zone? He hasn't had a pass defensed since his rookie year. He might be worth a minimum veteran contract. His 2024 advanced stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StokEr00/gamelog/2024/advanced/

[run pMc]

Free agent splashes I would like to see the Packers make.
1. C: Drew Dalman - 26yo mauler in ATL. Incredible athlete. Joy to watch.
2. DE: Dayo Odeyingbo - 12 sacks in '23. 11% pressures in '24. Big EDGE.
3. NT: Benito Jones - 8% pressure at 335 pounds. 27yo.
4. 3T: Javon Kinlaw - DT15 in PRWR. 8% pressure. 27yo 1st-rounder.
5. LB: Lavonte David - 6 sacks in Bowles' blitz scheme. Zone coverage.
6. CB: D.J. Reed - 28yo feisty outside CB opposite Sauce Gardner. Consistent.
7. CB: Brandon Stephens - 27yo outside CB in Ravens all-encompassing scheme.
8. CB: Byron Murphy - Versatile 27yo under Flores. 6 INTs moving inside-out.
9. OL: Patrick Mekari - 27yo with 685+ career snaps at LT, LG, C, and RT.
10. OL: Mekhi Becton - Much better inside in run-heavy PHI system. 26yo.

I get it, the Packers won't sign all 10 guys, but there are some "deals" to be had here. There is no Tee Higgins, or unfortunately any wide receivers on this list because it's pretty shallow. Old and washed is what your money will by with this year's crop of WRs.

Also I haven't looked at any stats or anything but I thought Stokes played much better towards the end of the season for the Packers.

Good list. I like your top 3. Kinlaw is talented but I get the impression he's a knucklehead, they already have enough of those. David probably stays with TB. Don't know enough about the CBs but I could easily see them taking a Day 2 CB and signing a FA as well. I assume they are looking at outside corners, I think Nixon, Bullard and even Kalen King (if he sticks) could play the slot.

Stokes did show some improvement towards the end, but his play overall was bad. I think 2/3 of the way thru the season his opposing QB rating was 2011 Rodgers level... meaning he was so bad that he made opposing QBs look like MVPs. I think he's just ok and would let him test the market before thinking about offering him a very modest contract.
I think they can do better.

[Tony Oday]

I hope we can get the following:

Jakobi Meyers
Davante
Maxx

That would be a hell of an offseason.

[Sparkey]

Dalman would cure a lot of ills on the interior of the o-line.

[King Friday]

I agree completely with Dalman. He’s going to get a lot of money, but that is a spot that could cure a lot of ills and provide options instead of square pegs in round holes.

Anything to guarantee Myers is gone is also a plus.

[King Friday]

Also, we don’t have to make the decision that the Vikings need to this offseason, which is nice.

[texaspackerbacker]

Chris Brooks isn't on that list. Is that an omission? Or is he really not an FA?

I'm not so sure that they pay Emanuel Wilson any significant amount as Brooks has been just about as good, and Lloyd presumably will be damn good if he is healthy.

As good as McManus has been, I'm not so sure they pay him a lot either. It's generally not smart to overpay a Kicker, and McManus is really nothing more than average. He should be fairly replaceable.

[Joemailman]

Chris Brooks isn't on that list. Is that an omission? Or is he really not an FA?

I'm not so sure that they pay Emanuel Wilson any significant amount as Brooks has been just about as good, and Lloyd presumably will be damn good if he is healthy.

As good as McManus has been, I'm not so sure they pay him a lot either. It's generally not smart to overpay a Kicker, and McManus is really nothing more than average. He should be fairly replaceable.

Yeah, Packers have had such an easy time recently finding a good kicker. McManus was 2nd in the NFL in FG% and was 6 of 6 from 50+.

Brooks is under contract for 2025.

[call_me_ishmael]

McManus is a must resign IMO. He was good, is not that old, and is a kicker. It seems like a no brainer to me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hold on to the kicker

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, hold on to him, but don't overpay - for him or any kicker. Just because the Packers have had recent bad experiences, that doesn't mean that adequate kickers are hard to find.

[Joemailman]

Packers replacing DL coach Jason Rebrovich. Wouldn't be surprised to see the WR coach, Ryan Mahaffey go next.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/16/24345583/green-bay-packers-news-jason-rebrovich-fired-defensive-line-coach

Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst made it clear today in his end-of-the-season press conference that he believes he has the right bodies in-house on the defensive line, but that the unit just didn’t do a good enough job of getting after quarterbacks this year. With that being said, it shouldn’t have been a shock when ESPN’s Rob Demovsky reported that the Packers moved on from defensive line coach Jason Rebrovich on Thursday night.

Rebrovich was a holdover from Joe Barry’s staff, joining the Packers in 2022 as an outside linebackers coach before being given the title “pass rush specialist” in 2023. In 2024, under a new coordinator in Jeff Hafley and in a defense that transitioned from a 3-4 to a 4-3, Rebrovich was in charge of the entire defensive line.

It’s hard to say that the Packers’ defensive line this year was anything more than disappointing. High-priced veterans like Kenny Clark and Rashan Gary appeared to regress under Rebrovich, at least from a pass-rushing standpoint, while former first-round picks Devonte Wyatt and Lukas Van Ness never took that step forward.


If Gutekunst is serious that he believes that the team has the right players on the line, then letting go of Rebrovich was an obvious move.

According to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, the Packers are planning on interviewing New York Jets defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton for the vacancy. He’s been the defensive line coach for the Jets for the last four seasons. With former Jets head coach Robert Saleh being an analyst in Green Bay during the second half of the season, it wouldn’t be surprising if Saleh put in a good word for Whitecotton.

[KYPack]

Well, we canned the D-line coach.

We may lose another D assistant.

Packers defensive passing game coordinator Derrick Ansley will interview for the Falcons DC gig.

With these 22 man staffs, sometimes I have no clue which coach does what.

Like this case right here.

[KYPack]

Jeff Jones of CBS Sports reports that Packers DC Jeff Hatley will interview with the Jets today.

First I've heard of this.

[SudsMcBucky]

Jeff Jones of CBS Sports reports that Packers DC Jeff Hatley will interview with the Jets today.

First I've heard of this.

https://packerrats.com/showthread.php?33032-Coaches-On-The-Hot-Seat/page5

[run pMc]

I'd be very surprised if Hafley got the Jets job. Who's the GM? You'd think the GM would want to hire the coach? That team is a mess.

A little surprised they canned Rebrovich, they usually keep coaches too long (Drayton, Barry). I didn't think a lot of Montgomery, but Rebrovich was not as good. Hate to see anybody lose their job, but the DL isn't just a bunch of talent-less scrubs, they regressed and needed a change.
I like that they are talking to Saleh's old DL coach Whitecotton; he's actually got a record of developing guys and that's what they need. Lock him in a gym with LVN and Wyatt to work on their skills.

Improved pass rush will help the secondary, and you can't get past teams like DET or PHI who have good OLs if they just stonewall your bullrush every snap. If that's all you do, you're easy to scout for.

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapoport
‪@rapsheet1.bsky.social‬

Bucs DL coach and run game coordinator Kacy Rodgers is interviewing today with Packers coach Matt LaFleur for their open D-line position, sources say.

Rodgers' contract in Tampa is up and he’s viewed as a top free agent assistant who will have a robust market.

Bucs had the #4 run defense in the NFL. They were #7 in sacks in the NFL.

[SudsMcBucky]

Ian Rapoport
‪@rapsheet1.bsky.social‬

Bucs DL coach and run game coordinator Kacy Rodgers is interviewing today with Packers coach Matt LaFleur for their open D-line position, sources say.

Rodgers' contract in Tampa is up and he’s viewed as a top free agent assistant who will have a robust market.

https://images.app.goo.gl/eFZwPinYxZEBdYQZ8

[Joemailman]

The list of candidates to be the next defensive line coach in Green Bay continues to grow.

Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports reports that the Packers have interviewed Eric Washington for the position. They have also interviewed Aaron Whitecotton and Kacy Rodgers since parting ways with Jason Rebrovich.

Washington was hired as the defensive coordinator of the Bears in 2024 and he took over as the team’s defensive play-caller after head coach Matt Eberflus was fired. The Bears have settled on Ben Johnson as their new head coach and Dennis Allen is considered the top candidate to fill Washington’s former position on the staff.

Washington had a two-year run as the Panthers defensive coordinator and he was the defensive line coach in Buffalo between the two coordinator stints.

[Tony Oday]

Overpay for the kicker!!! We need one.

[Fritz]

I;'d keep a few of those guys, starting with McAnus.

And I don't know how much difference coaching makes, I really don't. But whomever they hire for the defensive line would seem to be an improvement over the Joe Barry-holdover. But can a coach really have that much impact? I don't know.

[Joemailman]

GREEN BAY – Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur has made two moves to make sure his coaching staff remains intact, signing assistant head coach / special teams Rich Bisaccia to an extension and hiring defensive consultant Luke Getsy to a full-time position as offensive senior assistant, sources said.

Bisaccia, one of the highest-paid special teams coordinators in the NFL, had one year remaining on his contract, according to a source. It is believed another year was added, guaranteeing that Bisaccia, 64, would have plenty of incentive to stick around at least two more years.

There were league sources who said there were rumblings that Bisaccia might retire, but the new deal assures he'll return as special teams coordinator and LaFleur's game management adviser.

I suspect Getsy could yet become Packers OC if someone hires Steno as OC with play calling duties.

[NewsBruin]

Just wanted to throw out that this week is Senior Bowl week, and the players' and (some) teams' hotel is across the street from my office. Walking around downtown is like the Rumble scene from Anchorman, but with tracksuits and lanyards.

[Joemailman]

Jaguars have interviewed Packers LB coach Anthony Campanile for DC. He interviewed for 2 DC positions last year.

[Fritz]

I wonder if Guter will go after a pass rusher in free agency. If you can find that one guy that can be a real force, that's the biggest thing that will improve this defense. More than even a shut down corner.

But who would that guy be? Chase Young?

[Joemailman]

Dante Fowler, Josh Sweat, Khalil Mack. Not too much. Draft is strong at Edge though.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just wanted to throw out that this week is Senior Bowl week, and the players' and (some) teams' hotel is across the street from my office. Walking around downtown is like the Rumble scene from Anchorman, but with tracksuits and lanyards.

I could see Tex and the Mailman wearing tracksuits and lanyards. The former, to appear hip to his young wife; the latter, to relive his hip Beatles youth. The Kentucky, not so much. That guy reminds me of grumpy Mr. Wilson from Dennis the Menace.

I think as a 42 years old burger flipping loser, I am now entitled to make “senior” jokes, yeah? I am now a graybeard myself. The shutdown corner is old; the dream is gone. I have become comfortably numb.

[Joemailman]

Yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away.

[NewsBruin]

I keep seeing gangs of about 3-4, but no one from the Packers yet.

Highlights have been 4 NYJ guys taking their morning lattés back to the hotel saying "I appreciate it, dog" to each other in the absolute whitest way possible and 3 Falcons' entry-levelers (2M/1F) desperately harassing a FedEx delivery guy about where a package could have arrived.

When i started working in DoMo, the practices were at the municipal stadium closer to the hotel area and everyone wore matching team-color tracksuits. Now the practices are at the local U's new stadium in the suburbs and everyone (players and NFL staff) wears black athleisure with team logos in white outlines. The giveaway is the all-access lanyards in the bright orange of the main sponsor, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

[Joemailman]

‪Aaron Nagler‬ ‪@aaronnagler.bsky.social‬

Rob Demovsky reports the Packers are hiring former Patriots DC DeMarcus Covington as their DL coach as well as promoting former NFL QB and Packers assistant coach Sean Mannion to QB Coach.

Covington joined New England in 2017 and was a coaching assistant for two years before becoming the teams outside linebackers coaching in 2019. He won his first Super Bowl title when the Patriots defeated the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl LIII. In 2020 he was moved to coaching the defensive line. On February 1, 2024, he was promoted to defensive coordinator. Covington was not retained by the Patriots upon the hiring of Mike Vrabel.

Mannion retired from playing to join the Packers coaching staff last year. MLF coached Mannion when Mannion was with the Rams.

[Sparkey]

Yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away.

So you're saying they are here to stay ?

[QBME]

So you're saying they are here to stay ?

I think he's just saying that he believes in yesterday.

[Sparkey]

Packers lose lb coach/run game coordinator, Anthony Campanile. Heading to the Jaguars as their new DC

[Joemailman]

Packers lose lb coach/run game coordinator, Anthony Campanile. Heading to the Jaguars as their new DC

Wonder if Jerrod Mayo would consider going back to being a LB coach again alongside his former DC Covington. Mayo was Patriots ILB coach for 4 years before being made HC.

Edit: Nagler is reporting that Packers are expected to elevate Defensive Assistant Sean Duggan to the spot. Duggan was Hafley's LB coach all 4 years at Boston College and was co-DC the last 2.

[MadtownPacker]

Can we just find a way to get Davante back?

[Fritz]

I didn't pay attention to him last year; is he just a possession receiver at this point?

Well, even if he is, the idea of "possession" might be an upgrade after all those drops this past season . . .

[Joemailman]

I didn't pay attention to him last year; is he just a possession receiver at this point?

Well, even if he is, the idea of "possession" might be an upgrade after all those drops this past season . . .

Once he was with the Jets, his yards per reception were in line with his career average, and he had 7 TD's in 11 games. His YAC was very good. Actually, his catch% was down. I suspect some of that was Rodgers throwing to Davante under duress. I don't think he's lost much.

[MadtownPacker]

I saw a few Jets games and saw zero loss from him. Still sharp cuts and great hands.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL

#Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich another candidate emerging for #Texans offensive coordinator vacancy, per a league source
He previously interviewed with #Seahawks and is expected to interview with AFC South champions, making him eighth candidate overall

[KYPack]

I saw a few Jets games and saw zero loss from him. Still sharp cuts and great hands.

Oh yeah. Saw that game, too. The D had Davante singled up on the weak side.

DA did his quick steps to the inside, then broke off his route to the sideline.

The DB was lost at sea as Davante still had the great hands and golden wheels.

He has 103 TD's and closing in on 12000 yards

HOF material, mebbe?

[Joemailman]

‪Justis Mosqueda‬ ‪@jumosq.bsky.social‬

The Texans' OL underperformed to the point where the team fired their OC.

Adam Stenavich makes a lot of sense there.

Luke Getsy makes a lot of sense as his replacement in Green Bay.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/31/24356366/green-bay-packers-news-adam-stenavich-interview-houston-texans-offensive-coordinator-2025-update

[Fritz]

‪Justis Mosqueda‬ ‪@jumosq.bsky.social‬

The Texans' OL underperformed to the point where the team fired their OC.

Adam Stenavich makes a lot of sense there.

Luke Getsy makes a lot of sense as his replacement in Green Bay.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/31/24356366/green-bay-packers-news-adam-stenavich-interview-houston-texans-offensive-coordinator-2025-update

This would explain why Mannion got the QB coach job while Getsy was given a rather amorphous job title. They must think Steno will be gone soon.

[Joemailman]

This would explain why Mannion got the QB coach job while Getsy was given a rather amorphous job title. They must think Steno will be gone soon.

If not this year, soon.

[Fosco33]

Don’t know where this would go.

But I’ve been saying for awhile that the ‘tush push’ is a fricken stupid play and has created an unfair ‘advantage’ for teams like the Eagles and a few others.

Now Murphy has come out and said he’s against it.

Will the nfl have the balls to change it for next year?

Or regulate pushing players (it happens on running backs with Oline essentially picking them up and pushing).

This isn’t rugby.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/packers-president-mark-murphy-makes-thoughts-on-tush-push-very-clear

[Joemailman]

Don’t know where this would go.

But I’ve been saying for awhile that the ‘tush push’ is a fricken stupid play and has created an unfair ‘advantage’ for teams like the Eagles and a few others.

Now Murphy has come out and said he’s against it.

Will the nfl have the balls to change it for next year?

Or regulate pushing players (it happens on running backs with Oline essentially picking them up and pushing).

This isn’t rugby.

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/packers-president-mark-murphy-makes-thoughts-on-tush-push-very-clear

It used to be illegal to push the ball carrier from behind. They ought to go back to that. All pushing of the ball carrier should be outlawed, not just the tush push.

[Fosco33]

Agreed

[George Cumby]

Can we just find a way to get Davante back?

I'm generally against this type of move, but 'Tae is the exception, IMO.

[Joemailman]

I'm generally against this type of move, but 'Tae is the exception, IMO.

Depends on what the move is. If the Jets release him, I am all in on pursuing him as a free agent. If the Jets want to trade him, I'm against trading high picks for a guy you will then have to pay a ton of money to.

[Joemailman]

‪Justis Mosqueda‬ ‪@jumosq.bsky.social‬

The Texans' OL underperformed to the point where the team fired their OC.

Adam Stenavich makes a lot of sense there.

Luke Getsy makes a lot of sense as his replacement in Green Bay.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/31/24356366/green-bay-packers-news-adam-stenavich-interview-houston-texans-offensive-coordinator-2025-update

Texans have hired their new OC, and it's not Stenavich.

[Bretsky]

Texans have hired their new OC, and it's not Stenavich.

I could care less

I would be fine with Getsy instead of the fabulous OL coach we have imitating an OC

[sharpe1027]

It used to be illegal to push the ball carrier from behind. They ought to go back to that. All pushing of the ball carrier should be outlawed, not just the tush push.

Yes. Nobody wants to watch that shit.

[Joemailman]

Sounds like Josh wants a former teammate in Green Bay.


97.3 The Game @TheGameMKE

“I think we need a guy that’s proven to be a #1 WR already.”

-Packers RB Josh Jacobs on “No BS” with @BillSchmidRadio & @ArmenSaryan

[run pMc]

Jacobs isn't wrong. They need someone who can convert a 3rd and 4 in spite of tight man coverage consistently.
GB's WRs are talented and have done well considering their age and draft pedigree, but they also need someone to step up.

So...Jacobs is right, and the WRs are right if they are a little sensitive to the comment. If they want to be the alpha, they have to earn it by putting in the work and producing.

the Jets would have to cut Adams since he's owed a ton of money, and they won't do that unless A-A-Ron isn't coming back. Personally I'd rather they look at the draft and maybe a cheaper speed guy who can play outside, and also that they used Kraft more (and more creatively). I think he can be a good player for converting 3rd downs if they featured him (like Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, McBride are) more. Adams is good and likely has a year or two left but he's 32 years old and pricey. And no, Cooper Kupp and Deebo are both on the backsides of their careers and have extensive injury histories.

They can probably get DJ Chark or Mike Williams for cheap to run 9 routes or win jump balls 25 yards downfield if they need a speed/deep guy. Save the cap space for Zach Tom and some of the others coming up for new contracts instead.

[Joemailman]

Jacobs isn't wrong. They need someone who can convert a 3rd and 4 in spite of tight man coverage consistently.
GB's WRs are talented and have done well considering their age and draft pedigree, but they also need someone to step up.

So...Jacobs is right, and the WRs are right if they are a little sensitive to the comment. If they want to be the alpha, they have to earn it by putting in the work and producing.

the Jets would have to cut Adams since he's owed a ton of money, and they won't do that unless A-A-Ron isn't coming back. Personally I'd rather they look at the draft and maybe a cheaper speed guy who can play outside, and also that they used Kraft more (and more creatively). I think he can be a good player for converting 3rd downs if they featured him (like Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, McBride are) more. Adams is good and likely has a year or two left but he's 32 years old and pricey. And no, Cooper Kupp and Deebo are both on the backsides of their careers and have extensive injury histories.

They can probably get DJ Chark or Mike Williams for cheap to run 9 routes or win jump balls 25 yards downfield if they need a speed/deep guy. Save the cap space for Zach Tom and some of the others coming up for new contracts instead.

I don't see the Jets paying that kind of money to Adams. If they are willing to pay that kind of money to a WR, it would make more sense to trade Adams and sign Higgins who is 6-7 years younger. I'm on board with going after Adams if he's released or if the compensation in a trade isn't bad. The Packers young WR's could learn a lot from watching Adams for a couple years.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am not sure what the Jets were able to do with Adams contract. I am sure it's just yearly salaries at this point if a team was to take on his contract. Remember, he wanted to leave the Packers even with Aaron Rodgers. I know it was said that he wanted to play with Car his college teammate and the Raiders were happy to pay him. He is productive and will stay reasonably productive because of how he plays the game, he was never a speed guy. Adams is a fantastic route runner with great feet and has terrific hands.

I wouldn't hate the fact if the packers gave up a 5th round or an even a 4th rounder for him. It's really not going to cost all that much. I am not sure if the attitude is where you want it to be though. Maybe a second time around and a fresh start with the Packers would be a strong sales pitch.

[Joemailman]

I am not sure what the Jets were able to do with Adams contract. I am sure it's just yearly salaries at this point if a team was to take on his contract. Remember, he wanted to leave the Packers even with Aaron Rodgers. I know it was said that he wanted to play with Car his college teammate and the Raiders were happy to pay him. He is productive and will stay reasonably productive because of how he plays the game, he was never a speed guy. Adams is a fantastic route runner with great feet and has terrific hands.

I wouldn't hate the fact if the packers gave up a 5th round or an even a 4th rounder for him. It's really not going to cost all that much. I am not sure if the attitude is where you want it to be though. Maybe a second time around and a fresh start with the Packers would be a strong sales pitch.

Davante's contract each of the next 2 years is a 35.6 million base with 2.6 million in bonuses. https://overthecap.com/player/davante-adams/2992#google_vignette The Jets last year gave up a conditional 3rd and did a restructure to lower the cap hit in 2024. Adams might be at the point of his career where the one thing left to accomplish is to win a title.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjwaK44WYAAJ_XW?format=jpg&name=small

[Joemailman]

The Packers are making an addition to the defensive side of Matt LaFleur’s coaching staff.

Matt Zenitz of CBSSports.com reports that the team will hire Jamael Lett. Per the reprot, Lett will be a defensive backs quality control coach in Green Bay.

Lett worked as a defensive coaching assistant focused on defensive backs with the Patriots last season. He worked at North Carolina, South Alabama, Akron, and Samford prior to making the move the the NFL ranks.

Lett worked under defensive coordinator DeMarcus Covington in New England and Covington was hired as the defensive line coach by the Packers last month. Covington’s arrival has been the most significant change on the defensive side of the coaching staff in Green Bay this year.

[bobblehead]

Personally I'm looking for Reed and Wicks to take a nice step forward this year. Year 3 is when guys like them stop thinking and just play. I'm worried about Dobbs brain. Not sure he is long for this league. If Musgrave can stay healthy I am in the minority in thinking they have enough targets. The only move I'm interested in right now is making the trade for Crosby or better yet, Garrett. We need a game wrecker. Gary isn't it. It would be nice if Gutes would draft football players instead of athletes. I'd love a Mike Green in the 1st this year. Production personified. Small school guy, you might even be able to trade back and land him depending on the combine.

As always I want BPA though. Sick of Gutes drafting into perceived weaknesses only to find out we have other weaknesses. Name me one spot on the roster that can't be improved. We won't pick a RB/QB in the first for obvious reasons, but I won't complain with any other position of its the best guy we can land. This is a deep DT draft. Last year was deep at DT and CB. We avoided both like the plague. It was a great OT draft so we selected a guy who played LT since grade school and promptly put him at RG. I would expect that Gutes will perceive edge to be lacking and lean into a reach....I can only hope its Green. Problem is if he has a decent combine and this not being the best edge draft he might go before us.

[Bretsky]

I hope our 1st round draft pick from last year is not a disappointment.

We need to stop sucking in round one.

[Fritz]

I hope our 1st round draft pick from last year is not a disappointment.

We need to stop sucking in round one.

It seems pretty well established that early on in drafts - first two rounds - Guter takes big swings on uber athletic guys who may or may not have the production to go with that, in the hopes of getting guys who develop that into blue-chip NFLers. He goes for upside. But he's missed on a lot of them here - from Stokes to Van Ness (though he's got this year to show he's actually a good NFL player) to Christian Watson so far and Jordan Morgan so far. And Quay Walker and Darnell Savage. And Luke Musgrave.

He's hit on some. Jordan Love - we hope - and Edgerrin Cooper seems to be shaping up. Jaire Alexander until his 'tude and health went south. Possible Devonte Wyatt? Not sure there.

But yes, his hit rate in the first two rounds does not seem to be what it could be or ought to be. I think Ted Thompson was similar. Didn't Thompson say once he needed to be reminded sometimes to take guys who were football players and not just great athletes?

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

Sources: The #Packers have had trade conversations centered around star CB Jaire Alexander and they are open to moving him for the right price.

Alexander, still just 28 and a two-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the most decorated CB available.

[Fritz]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

Sources: The #Packers have had trade conversations centered around star CB Jaire Alexander and they are open to moving him for the right price.

Alexander, still just 28 and a two-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the most decorated CB available.

I know this is a lost cause, but it really bugs the hell out of me.

I would like to remind these "sources" that "centered around" is an oxymoron. A "center" is the point in the middle of something. So you can center ON something, but if you're "around" it, then you're not centering.

Oh, and why would anyone trade for Alexander when it's very very likely that he's going to be cut prior to June 1st?

[SudsMcBucky]

I know this is a lost cause, but it really bugs the hell out of me.

I would like to remind these "sources" that "centered around" is an oxymoron. A "center" is the point in the middle of something. So you can center ON something, but if you're "around" it, then you're not centering.

Oh, and why would anyone trade for Alexander when it's very very likely that he's going to be cut prior to June 1st?

Well, if a team is fine with his existing contract the way it is, they'd do it so they don't have to take the chance he picks somewhere else to go if he's a FA.

[sharpe1027]

We traded for Malik Willis when he was probably getting cut.

[Fritz]

Well, if a team is fine with his existing contract the way it is, they'd do it so they don't have to take the chance he picks somewhere else to go if he's a FA.

This is the part I don't quite get - it seems abundantly clear that that is a killer contract - unless I don't understand how trading a contract works - like if the Packers are responsible for some of it even if he's traded or something - anyway, why would anyone take on that contract when presumably they could sign him as a FA anyway sometime in May, and likely for less than his current contract, right?

Willis was a different story - his contract was no impediment.

Does a team have to be dumb to trade for Alexander when they could sign him for less later? Or really, if the Packers cut him, will there be a bidding frenzy that would drive the price close to what he's due to make now? I just don't quite get it. I wonder if I don't understand the process vis a vis trading a contract, or if I don't understand Alexander's perceived worth to other teams?

[sharpe1027]

The Packers are stuck with the signing bonuses and restructuring portions even if traded. The team that would get him is only responsible for what remains. That being said, he'd still count around $17M for them. They might be able to restructure to lower that more, however.

I don't know what he'd get on the open market, but the delta probably isn't huge and the team could guarantee getting him versus risk losing out to a team that bids higher or one that he goes to cheaper because they are a better team with a chance at winning the Superbowl, etc

[Fritz]

The Packers are stuck with the signing bonuses and restructuring portions even if traded. The team that would get him is only responsible for what remains. That being said, he'd still count around $17M for them. They might be able to restructure to lower that more, however.

I don't know what he'd get on the open market, but the delta probably isn't huge and the team could guarantee getting him versus risk losing out to a team that bids higher or one that he goes to cheaper because they are a better team with a chance at winning the Superbowl, etc

Ah . . . I did not know about the signing bonuses and such. So now it makes more sense. Thanks.

[SudsMcBucky]

Will APB's dream finally come true? (Albeit 6 years later).

https://x.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1895500192818102488

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Will APB's dream finally come true? (Albeit 6 years later).

https://x.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1895500192818102488

Get it done!

[Joemailman]

Will APB's dream finally come true? (Albeit 6 years later).

https://x.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1895500192818102488

Some reports say Seahawks want 1st round pick, young receiver and a day 3 pick. That sounds too rich. Also, Metcalf is entering the last year of his contract. For the Packers to give up a high pick, they likely would need Metcalf to agree to a contract extension. Still, Seahawks need cap room (they are 7 million over the cap), so a deal is possible.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Some reports say Seahawks want 1st round pick, young receiver and a day 3 pick. That sounds too rich. Also, Metcalf is entering the last year of his contract. For the Packers to give up a high pick, they likely would need Metcalf to agree to a contract extension. Still, Seahawks need cap room (they are 7 million over the cap), so a deal is possible.

Day 3 picks aren’t that precious and odds are against the German Shepherd hitting on a pick at 23 or wherever the Pack pick.

1st
4th
Wicks

Get it done!

[smuggler]

If the Packers trade for Metcalf, it'd probably be and 2nd and Wicks or Doubs to go. We'd probably get a 7th back.

[Fosco33]

Gosh - can’t see them giving up Doubs. I’d be fine w/ Wicks or Watson even.

[Fritz]

Gosh - can’t see them giving up Doubs. I’d be fine w/ Wicks or Watson even.

From the Seahags perspective, would you want a guy who's been concussed twice in the past season and also ditched the team briefly when he was unhappy? I think they'd rather have the higher-upside Watson, who will likely heal by the end of next season. Still he'd have question marks about health, too, but of a different nature.

[smuggler]

Doubs is also the lowest celing receiver on the roster.

[Patler]

Gosh - can’t see them giving up Doubs. I’d be fine w/ Wicks or Watson even.

Interesting, because Doubs would be the first of those three that I would let go. Watson and Wicks scream potential above average. Doubs will be what he has been; good, mostly reliable, not an impact player. Doubs is more easily replaced. He has never had a 100 yard game during the regular season, has had only two games with more than 80 yards. He has no receptions of 40 or more yards. He breaks few tackles and has minimal YAC.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd be all for a trade for Metcalf. Wicks would be the one I'd most want to part with. He has regressed a lot. Doubs may have a low ceiling, but he's most likely of those three to reach that ceiling and stay there. Also, he'd fit in best with Metcalf - a consistent possession guy to go with the field stretcher. Excellent if we could make it happen with a second rounder, still good if even if it takes a first rounder.

[pittstang5]

This whole Metcalf trade rumor is intriguing. It's probably just that, a rumor. I don't know if Metcalf is worthy giving up the 23rd pick, plus more. If this rumor does have any weight, it'll be a very interesting offseason.

[smuggler]

Wicks regressed, but a lot of players have a second year slump. I'd guess he's going to bounce back in 2025.

[Fosco33]

Interesting, because Doubs would be the first of those three that I would let go. Watson and Wicks scream potential above average. Doubs will be what he has been; good, mostly reliable, not an impact player. Doubs is more easily replaced. He has never had a 100 yard game during the regular season, has had only two games with more than 80 yards. He has no receptions of 40 or more yards. He breaks few tackles and has minimal YAC.

Watson can’t stay on the field and there’s no evidence he ever will. Trade an injured WR w/ upside for a known high caliber WR.

No matter what - we need at least one, maybe 2 veterans in the the offense besides a quiet Love and the recently outspoken Jacobs.

[Fritz]

Watson can’t stay on the field and there’s no evidence he ever will. Trade an injured WR w/ upside for a known high caliber WR.

No matter what - we need at least one, maybe 2 veterans in the the offense besides a quiet Love and the recently outspoken Jacobs.

Well of course - that would seem obvious. But Seattle is asking ALSO for a first round pick, I think, or maybe a second. That's a lot to part with for a guy who will have a big contract and probably only about two or three more really great years.

[Patler]

Watson can’t stay on the field and there’s no evidence he ever will. Trade an injured WR w/ upside for a known high caliber WR.

No matter what - we need at least one, maybe 2 veterans in the the offense besides a quiet Love and the recently outspoken Jacobs.

I'm actually more concerned about Doubs' head than I am about Watson's injuries. Watson seemed to get the hamstring issues behind him last year. Knee injuries happen kind of randomly. Doubs' second concussion last year, on a routine play, while wearing the added protection of a Guardian helmet cover, is concerning.

[Sparkey]

Deebo Samuel is worth a fifth.

A 1st and a player is way too much for Metcalf.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yes. Teams that give up proven stars like Samuel and potentially Metcalf are stupid - seemingly, and hopefully the Packers can take advantage and get him cheap. Metcalf is worth more than Sameul, but not that much more.

I wonder if there are extenuating circumstances, though. Maybe fans of some other teams are reading about the Packers letting Jaire go cheap and thinking the same sort of thing.

[Patler]

Deebo Samuel is worth a fifth.

A 1st and a player is way too much for Metcalf.

Is he worth just a 1st round pick alone? History sort of tells us that GB doesn't value the position to be worthy of 1st round picks, and Metcalf is not great, just very good. Fewer than 450 receptions in 6 seasons isn't elite.

[smuggler]

Deebo from 2021 would be worth more. 2024 Deebo isn't as good as 2024 Melcalf and it may be a bigger delta in 2025.

[run pMc]

Metcalf is going to want an extension. Trading a high draft pick for the privilege of signing a player to an expensive contract is generally bad process.
I think he's a very good but not elite player and a R1 + Doubs is steep, whether you want to compare with Deebo or not.

I do think Metcalf would affect defenses in the way MLF wants though.

What they really need is for Wicks and Reed to figure out how to beat man coverage and not drop the ball when it hits their hands.

Watson's knee injury was separate from the other things he had prior to last season. I think the trip to Madison worked for him. He's in a contract year, and with him missing at least 2/3 of it, I suspect they could bring him back on a reasonable deal with incentives.

[Joemailman]

Not only would Metcalf want an extension, but the Packers would likely insist an extension be agreed to before giving up a high draft pick. Agree that trading a high pick for a guy you will have to pay big money to is not Gute's way of doing things.

[Deputy Nutz]

a player has to be really special and young to get a 1st round pick. Metcalf is awesome, I love his size and demeanor. He would be worth the contract especially pairing him with a much better QB than what they currently run out there in Seattle. He, like a lot of dudes are not getting a 1st round pick. I would think a 3rd or 4th would be the expected value along with a player like Doubs.

The Packers need a deep threat weapon and more importantly a physical weapon that can box out defensive backs and win the contested balls on a regular basis. I can't see them trading for Metcalf, but I tell you I wouldn't hate it.

[Joemailman]

Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN

Sources: #Packers are re-signing LB Isaiah McDuffie on a two-year, $8-million deal with upside to $9.5M.

McDuffie has 183 tackles over the last two seasons.

[MadtownPacker]

Interesting, because Doubs would be the first of those three that I would let go. Watson and Wicks scream potential above average. Doubs will be what he has been; good, mostly reliable, not an impact player. Doubs is more easily replaced. He has never had a 100 yard game during the regular season, has had only two games with more than 80 yards. He has no receptions of 40 or more yards. He breaks few tackles and has minimal YAC.
You know my opinion on Doubs is the opposite of yours and many others here, but you are correct in this situation. Hurt to say it, but the first hard shot he takes will probably take him out for a week or two. He is the best set of hands but health is bad. If Seattle took him ok but they would want Wicks or Watson. I say trade whichever is accepted for DK.

[MadtownPacker]

Deebo from 2021 would be worth more. 2024 Deebo isn't as good as 2024 Melcalf and it may be a bigger delta in 2025.
How much of that is the QB situation?

[ThunderDan]

Metcalf is going to want an extension. Trading a high draft pick for the privilege of signing a player to an expensive contract is generally bad process.
I think he's a very good but not elite player and a R1 + Doubs is steep, whether you want to compare with Deebo or not.

I do think Metcalf would affect defenses in the way MLF wants though.

What they really need is for Wicks and Reed to figure out how to beat man coverage and not drop the ball when it hits their hands.

Watson's knee injury was separate from the other things he had prior to last season. I think the trip to Madison worked for him. He's in a contract year, and with him missing at least 2/3 of it, I suspect they could bring him back on a reasonable deal with incentives.

100% agree with this post. You don't give up a 1st rounder for a player who only has 1 year left on his contract.

Deebo for a 5th. I would give a 3rd for Metcalf.

[Patler]

Interesting, because Doubs would be the first of those three that I would let go. Watson and Wicks scream potential above average. Doubs will be what he has been; good, mostly reliable, not an impact player. Doubs is more easily replaced. He has never had a 100 yard game during the regular season, has had only two games with more than 80 yards. He has no receptions of 40 or more yards. He breaks few tackles and has minimal YAC.

You know my opinion on Doubs is the opposite of yours and many others here, but you are correct in this situation. Hurt to say it, but the first hard shot he takes will probably take him out for a week or two. He is the best set of hands but health is bad. If Seattle took him ok but they would want Wicks or Watson. I say trade whichever is accepted for DK.

I'm not sure our opinions are that much different. I like Doubs, and think he is a valuable WR to have. He is effective, but not high impact. QBs seem to find him, and he is mostly reliable when thrown to. But, he has been the most targeted receiver the last 3 years, yet has no 100 yard games, only two games with 80+ yards, no 40+ yard receptions. You can't build a big-time passing game around Doubs as the primary receiver. Possession type receivers are valuable, but more easily found than true game breakers.

Given more opportunities, Malik Heath might develop into a suitable substitute (not replacement) for Doubs.

Wicks and Watson just have more potential, which I would like to see play out. I don't see Doubs ever being much more than he already is, which is decent even if not high impact.

[run pMc]

Agree of the top 4, Doubs has the lowest ceiling/upside. You could argue he has a higher floor than Wicks and Watson. He technically had a 100+ yard game vs. DAL in the playoffs last year.
I'd say he's been a good draft pick for a Day 3 WR, and I think he'll get a 2nd contract elsewhere for more than he'll struggle to perform up to. He's a good WR3/4 and some probably expect more than that.

I wouldn't rush out to sign him to a 3/45M deal, someone will. Gute needs to keep drafting WRs. MLF needs to develop them better.

[Deputy Nutz]

Metcalf is going to want an extension. Trading a high draft pick for the privilege of signing a player to an expensive contract is generally bad process.
I think he's a very good but not elite player and a R1 + Doubs is steep, whether you want to compare with Deebo or not.

I do think Metcalf would affect defenses in the way MLF wants though.

What they really need is for Wicks and Reed to figure out how to beat man coverage and not drop the ball when it hits their hands.

Watson's knee injury was separate from the other things he had prior to last season. I think the trip to Madison worked for him. He's in a contract year, and with him missing at least 2/3 of it, I suspect they could bring him back on a reasonable deal with incentives.
That Knee injury was due to the hamstring not protecting the knee, in most non-contact ACL injuries it is because the hamstring fails, so say what you what about his trip to Madison as there many factors to the hamstring and ACL injuries, but in most cases hamstring instability leads to the instability of the knee which then creates the potential for ACL injuries

[Deputy Nutz]

Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN

Sources: #Packers are re-signing LB Isaiah McDuffie on a two-year, $8-million deal with upside to $9.5M.

McDuffie has 183 tackles over the last two seasons.

I don't hate him, but he isn't special. I don't know how many draft picks the Packers want to continue to dump into their linebacker position group, so in that sense the signing makes sense because he really doesn't hurt you. Ty'ron Hopper was taken with a 4th round pick last year and his development has been slower than you want but unfortunately what you expected if you read his pre draft write ups. Also Eric Wilson was decent as well. My question is can Quay Walker finally take his final steps to becoming a consistent above average linebacker that is worthy of an extension?

[Fosco33]

That Knee injury was due to the hamstring not protecting the knee, in most non-contact ACL injuries it is because the hamstring fails, so say what you what about his trip to Madison as there many factors to the hamstring and ACL injuries, but in most cases hamstring instability leads to the instability of the knee which then creates the potential for ACL injuries

This is why I’d ship him over Doubs. I don’t think Watson can stay on the field to have production. And Doubs concussion issues could subside with time while Watsons recurring Hamstring (now ACL) put his ceiling lower imo.

[Deputy Nutz]

Hard to trade Watson when his 2025 season may be in doubt with the knee recovery. Teams usually don't like to trade for dudes that are currently in rehab mode

[MadScientist]

Hard to trade Doubs when the last image is of him barely able to walk due to another concussion, despite having the extra protection on his helmet.

[Sparkey]

Adams released by Jets

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-release-davante-adams-potential-landing-spots-for-six-time-pro-bowl-wide-receiver/

[CaptainKickass]

Kicker McManus signed for three years.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-news-roundup-latest-league-updates-from-tuesday-march-4

[texaspackerbacker]

Absolutely Sign Davante!

[Deputy Nutz]

According to Rich Eisen, apparently the Browns have exactly zero interest in trading Myles Garrett.

[Fritz]

Well, re-signing the Scottish butthole was probably the most important signing the Packers could've made. Kickers don't cost that much, and now they've got one and have one less position to fret about.

[Joemailman]

I think there's a much better chance that the Packers sign MVS than Davante. Showed last year he still has his speed and would come cheap.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, get Valdez-Scantling too. He, Adams, Reed, Doubs, and Wicks would be a top of the line and diverse receiver corps.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah, get Valdez-Scantling too. He, Adams, Reed, Doubs, and Wicks would be a top of the line and diverse receiver corps.
Not bad, that means goodbye Watson?

[run pMc]

According to Rich Eisen, apparently the Browns have exactly zero interest in trading Myles Garrett.

According to The Browns GM, the Browns have zero interest in trading Garrett. Also: Garrett supposedly turned down a contract extension offer from CLE.

That fully guaranteed QB contract plus Garrett cap number make it almost impossible for CLE to move Garrett. Rumor is CLE is looking into finding a clause in Deshaun Watson's contract that can get them out of it based on the legal stuff, but I think they're stuck with him.
Acquiring Watson will basically screw that franchise for half a decade if not longer.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not bad, that means goodbye Watson?

Not necessarily. Watson is supposed to be out for a large part of the season. The way the Packers usually drag out injuries, he won't be back for much if any of it. This might turn out to be a good thing if they can then extend him for less money. Besides, he'd be the sixth, and six WRs is not too many.

[Sparkey]

Why I don't want the Packers to trade for Metcalf

https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/seahawks-dk-metcalf-trade-market-draft-oc

[Joemailman]

Packers are bringing back ERFA's Zayne Anderson, Emanuel Wilson, Kadeem Telfort, Daniel Whelan and Bo Melton. Aaron Mosby is only ERFA not to receive an offer.

[smuggler]

I don't think that article makes any sense. Doug Baldwin was a good player. But you don't get a Doug Baldwin just for letting Metcalf go.

[Joemailman]

GREEN BAY, Wis. – Barring an unexpected turn of events, the Green Bay Packers will not be re-signing starting center Josh Myers, a source told Packers On SI just before the unofficial start of free agency on Monday.

This likely means the Packers have a good idea of what his market value is, and aren't going to pay it.

[MadtownPacker]

Not necessarily. Watson is supposed to be out for a large part of the season. The way the Packers usually drag out injuries, he won't be back for much if any of it. This might turn out to be a good thing if they can then extend him for less money. Besides, he'd be the sixth, and six WRs is not too many.Thats a good take on the situation. Keep him around a bit longer if it is cheap to do.

[Deputy Nutz]

Watson go hurt in January probably had surgery in February, he will be on the pup list until week 6 if he has a normal recovery

[run pMc]

Packers usual timetable for bringing players back from ACL is 10 months, some teams rush players faster.

Re: Myers, I'm a bit relieved, especially after seeing Drew Dalman get $14M a year. Myers can probably get 8-10M somewhere, and I'd rather Gute spend the money extending Tom.
That said, Myers played thru a bunch of injuries (wrist, pectoral) and personal stuff, and the vomit game vs. Indy was fun. Wish him well, but don't want to overpay him to stay.

[Deputy Nutz]

9 months is when it is recommended for athletes to return to full participation after ACL reconstruction. so 10 months is about right in terms of getting completely back to football shape. For athletes younger than 18 years old most surgeons won't clear them regardless of their progression until 9 months have gone by. Usually athletes can return to athletics after 6 months if they have the patella tendon graft instead of the hamstring but the likely hood of re-injuring is higher with the patella tendon graft.

[Joemailman]

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Packers have agreed to a contract with Aaron Banks, who previously played for the San Francisco 49ers. Early indications put the contract at $77 million over four years, a $19.25 million average that would make Banks the sixth-highest-paid guard in the NFL.

A 2nd-round pick in the 2021 NFL Draft out of Notre Dame, Banks has been a full-time starter for the 49ers for the past three seasons, playing primarily left guard. That position was already occupied by Elgton Jenkins, but Jenkins is a candidate to move to center with the Packers expected to let Josh Myers sign elsewhere in free agency.

[Joemailman]

Defensive lineman T.J. Slaton will not return to the Packers, instead signing with the Cincinnati Bengals on what’s reported to be a two-year, $15.1 million move. NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero was the first on the news.

[Joemailman]

GREEN BAY – The interior of the Green Bay Packers offensive line will look different next year.

After signing San Francisco free-agent guard Aaron Banks, the Packers are going to play him on the left side, which is where he played the past three seasons for the 49ers. The 6-foot-5, 325-pound Banks adds some size to the interior of the line and allows for left guard Elgton Jenkins to move to center.

The Packers will then have the choice of whether to start Sean Rhyan or 2024 first-round draft pick Jordan Morgan at right guard. If the Packers don’t like the way things are headed with Jenkins at center, they could move right tackle Zach Tom there and move Jenkins to right tackle, but general manager Brian Gutekunst has said repeatedly he thinks Tom fits well as a tackle.


For Jenkins, the move to center shouldn’t be a problem. He has played center in college and in the pros. When he first came out of Mississippi State, some scouts projected him as a center because of his quickness off the ball, but the Packers had a need at left guard and inserted him there during his rookie season.

Over his six-year career, Jenkins has made 85 starts: 67 at left guard, eight at left tackle, six at right tackle and four at center.

[run pMc]

Signing Banks feels like an overpay, but he's young and overall would appear to raise the overall floor of the OL. Probably means they are going to extend Tom but not Walker, and I wonder if Morgan continues to learn G and also swing tackle.
Lessens the urgency to draft OL, but I think they still will - there's some decent OL talent in the draft outside Day 1. Banks is a good signing if they have Jenkins at C and Rhyan at RG; that's a big strong interior for Jacobs to run behind, and should also be solid in pass pro.

A little surprised they went this route but GB has done some surprising things in FA and along the OL before, usually with good results so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Joemailman]

I think the Banks signing, and moving Jenkins to Center makes the Packers OL more stout in the running game at 2 positions. Packers started transitioning to more of a gap system last year, but Myers was ill-suited for it.

[Bretsky]

Signing Banks feels like an overpay, but he's young and overall would appear to raise the overall floor of the OL. Probably means they are going to extend Tom but not Walker, and I wonder if Morgan continues to learn G and also swing tackle.
Lessens the urgency to draft OL, but I think they still will - there's some decent OL talent in the draft outside Day 1. Banks is a good signing if they have Jenkins at C and Rhyan at RG; that's a big strong interior for Jacobs to run behind, and should also be solid in pass pro.

A little surprised they went this route but GB has done some surprising things in FA and along the OL before, usually with good results so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.


Both moves seems like overpays. Wonder if Morgan is not as highly thought of by the coaches as Gutebag. I too don't think they want to give Wallace a huge contract. I think PFF had him rates 32 out of likee 65 OG's last season. They are not the end off but it gives us an idea of what we are getting. Thinking they figure Myers will get 12MILish per year and didn't want him at that price. So paying this guy more hopefully improves our line and hopefully we don't have any athletic reach with our 1st round draft picks last year like so many others

[Fritz]

I kinda like the Banks signing. It makes sense to me - Jenkins to center, let Rhyan and Morgan duke it out for the RG spot, train Morgan also as a RT. Extend Tom. And then draft a couple tackles in April, maybe in the mid-to-later rounds, as you're looking for Rasheed Walker's eventual replacement.

The Hobbs signing was more of a head-scratcher to me, but clearly Green Bay has a plan for how that position will shake out. I do think the moves, both of them, impact the draft strategy. You don't need to take a corner in round one now; you could conceivably wait until even the third round to draft a guy to develop over the next year or two. And you can take a swing or two in the mid rounds at drafting Rasheed Wallace's replacement. So the draft can focus on - I think - defensive tackle, defensive end, and wide receiver.

[Patler]

Banks will add a little bit of edginess and exuberance to the OL, which I have thought they lacked at times. A bit of feistiness. Said to have an energetic personality and to be a player who is always looking for someone to hit. Said to be massive and broad, virtually immovable by power rushers.

[Deputy Nutz]

Why wouldn't they train Morgan as the replacement for Walker? Tom isn't going to move to Left Tackle. Rhyan isn't a terrible player in fact he is pretty good in the run game, not sure why they need to replace him with Morgan. I think Morgan's value now that the Packers signed Banks is at Left Tackle. If they thought Morgan was ready to start at guard they would have never signed Banks. Maybe the problem with Morgan is that the Packers shouldn't have drafted him in the first place and he isn't the player they thought he was going to be, which is crazy because he was injured most of 2024 and he was a rookie.

[call_me_ishmael]

Why wouldn't they train Morgan as the replacement for Walker? Tom isn't going to move to Left Tackle. Rhyan isn't a terrible player in fact he is pretty good in the run game, not sure why they need to replace him with Morgan. I think Morgan's value now that the Packers signed Banks is at Left Tackle. If they thought Morgan was ready to start at guard they would have never signed Banks. Maybe the problem with Morgan is that the Packers shouldn't have drafted him in the first place and he isn't the player they thought he was going to be, which is crazy because he was injured most of 2024 and he was a rookie.

Agree with all of this. We will know a lot about how they feel about Morgan based on if they resign Walker this summer or certainly by October.

[Joemailman]

I think Morgan will be given the opportunity to compete for the LT job. Whether he wins the job this year or not, I think they see him as the future there and Walker will be gone after this year.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think Morgan will be given the opportunity to compete for the LT job. Whether he wins the job this year or not, I think they see him as the future there and Walker will be gone after this year.

Only if he wins the job or looks the part though (I know this is obvious, but I don't think this is a foregone conclusion yet). I think some steps need to be taken to ensure that.

[run pMc]

Yeah, I have to think they will give Morgan another shot at tackle. I don't think they want to sign Walker unless they have no option; having 4 OL on 2nd (expensive) contracts with Banks, Jenkins, Tom and Walker would be a lot of cap space allocated to OL.

Hobbs is getting paid outside corner money, that's where they are going to play him. He's an upgrade over Stokes, but that's a lot of money they're paying him. CB still looks like a need, but it's not a gaping hole anymore...they can rotate 3 guys at the 2 spots (assuming Jaire will be gone).

[Fritz]

I think Nutzy is correct - I'm still a bit mystified by the pick myself, especially especially if they end up making him a guard. I think of a first-round offensive lineman as being a tackle, preferably left tackle.

I'm still hoping they take an offensive tackle in the middle rounds somewhere. Need to have a pipeline for that offensive line.

[Patler]

Clearly Morgan will get opportunities at tackle, that's what he was drafted for, OT potential.

Don't remember if it was Gute or LeFleur who flat out admitted this off season that they made a mistake by not giving Morgan more opportunities at tackle last year, but justified it by saying the need at guard was more significant. Players and practice observers commented about Morgan's noticeable athleticism in drills. I am not concerned at all about Morgan...yet.

It is never wrong to draft a high potential, versatile OL; 22% of your starters are OL. It was clear from the playoff game last year that GB needs OL depth. Guys who can perform competently at 2, 3 or 4 of the positions are invaluable on game days.

[Fosco33]

Sounds like pack might cut jaire today? Why not keep him and make him play (and then trade him)?

If everyone knows you don’t want something - why would they give you more than a 7th for him?

Post 6/1 cut designation doesn’t save a whole lot of cap.

And ffs we know he’ll just sign w/ the queens…

[MadScientist]

Sounds like pack might cut jaire today? Why not keep him and make him play (and then trade him)?

If everyone knows you don’t want something - why would they give you more than a 7th for him?

Post 6/1 cut designation doesn’t save a whole lot of cap.

And ffs we know he’ll just sign w/ the queens…

Pre 6/1 and there is $18M in dead cap this year. Post 6/1 there is ~$8M this year and $10M next year. That's significant enough.

[run pMc]

Keeping him until late in FA or even after the draft could boost interest. With what's left out there at CB, he'd get a lot of interest if they cut him now.
The draft doesn't fall in favor of some team's board and they need a good CB, they might make a trade.

If they don't dick him around there's not much downside for GB to keep Jaire in the short-term. His value probably fluctuates by the day, they will sell when it's high.

[Joemailman]

Jaire will get traded hours before Day 3 of NFL Draft starts.

[Bretsky]

I think the reason Morgan never was tried at LT was he was leap years behind Wallace last year. Not a good thing. Hopefully he improves as we've had too many strikeouts in round one

[Joemailman]

I think the reason Morgan never was tried at LT was he was leap years behind Wallace last year. Not a good thing. Hopefully he improves as we've had too many strikeouts in round one

The reason was because they felt Rasheed Walker was better than Sean Rhyan.

[Bretsky]

The reason was because they felt Rasheed Walker was better than Sean Rhyan.

agree to disagree

[Patler]

I think the reason Morgan never was tried at LT was he was leap years behind Wallace last year. Not a good thing. Hopefully he improves as we've had too many strikeouts in round one

I don't think there has been any evidence for that all. On the other hand, who would play RG was an open question last year. Some suggested Tom would be moved inside because of the "pro-bowl tackle, all-pro guard, HoF center" comment by the coaches. Others even suggested Meyers would get a shot.

[CaptainKickass]

Hey Rats, here's a non-paywall link (https://archive.ph/VPD0D) to the interview with Nate Hobbs from The Athletic titled: "Nate Hobbs Q&A: Packers’ new CB explains why Rich Bissacia ‘changed my life’ with Raiders"


This, that and the third

I've heard and even said "This , that and the other" in my lifetime, but I've never heard it this way before: "This, that and the third." He used it a couple times in the interview.

The most interesting part was he said Jaire reached out to him.
Hmm.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Hey Rats, here's a non-paywall link (https://archive.ph/VPD0D) to the interview with Nate Hobbs from The Athletic titled: "Nate Hobbs Q&A: Packers’ new CB explains why Rich Bissacia ‘changed my life’ with Raiders"



I've heard and even said "This , that and the other" in my lifetime, but I've never heard it this way before: "This, that and the third." He used it a couple times in the interview.

The most interesting part was he said Jaire reached out to him.
Hmm.

Thanks for the link.

It would be a dumb mistake to get rid of J-Alex. You do not get rid of a shutdown corner in his prime, unless he commits some heinous crime. Sure, J-Alex is cocky as fuck, but guess what? The shutdown corner is supposed to be cocky as fuck!

[Deputy Nutz]

Alexander was a top end corner, and then his attitude and injuries hampered his career. He can't stay healthy and it's a shoulder, a knee, a hamstring....

He used to be super aggressive in his tackling then he popped his shoulder. I am not sure he is worth 17 million especially if he doesn't want to be in GB and is trade value with the injuries and attitude has plummeted. He is doing his best to get out of GB, let him go. I don't wish him the worst, but his time is over in GB.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Alexander was a top end corner, and then his attitude and injuries hampered his career. He can't stay healthy and it's a shoulder, a knee, a hamstring....

He used to be super aggressive in his tackling then he popped his shoulder. I am not sure he is worth 17 million especially if he doesn't want to be in GB and is trade value with the injuries and attitude has plummeted. He is doing his best to get out of GB, let him go. I don't wish him the worst, but his time is over in GB.

What makes you think J-Alex doesn’t want to be a Packer? And what attitude? By all accounts, he’s well liked by his teammates. Ain’t no so-called locker room cancer, hombre.

Sure, the injury issue is an issue. But I bet he’s super motivated to shed that injury-prone label.

Packers have no problems paying Clark a shitload of frogskins to make a play every blue moon. When healthy, Alexander is a bona fide shutdown corner. Keep J-Alex!

[texaspackerbacker]

I sorta agree about Jaire, but he's due a lot of money compared to what he has been worth recently. If he ain't a cancer and wants to stay a Packer, as you say, then I'd say a restructuring is in order - fixing it to where he gets a whole lot less, but maybe with performance incentives to keeping making some or all of it.

[Joemailman]

GREEN BAY – The Green Bay Packers’ starting tackles have another year before they become free agents, but they received a nice chunk of change Wednesday.

Under the collective bargaining agreement’s performance-based pay, left tackle Rasheed Walker earned the 10th highest amount of any player and right tackle Zach Tom received the 20th highest.

Many more Packers players are receiving payments under the program, but the NFL released only the top 25 earners.

Walker will receive $925,613 and Tom will receive $849,141. Both players nearly doubled their 2024 base salaries of $985,000.

[Patler]

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[Patler]

GREEN BAY – The Green Bay Packers’ starting tackles have another year before they become free agents, but they received a nice chunk of change Wednesday.

Under the collective bargaining agreement’s performance-based pay, left tackle Rasheed Walker earned the 10th highest amount of any player and right tackle Zach Tom received the 20th highest.

Many more Packers players are receiving payments under the program, but the NFL released only the top 25 earners.

Walker will receive $925,613 and Tom will receive $849,141. Both players nearly doubled their 2024 base salaries of $985,000.

They also will get nice boosts to their 2025 salaries under a rule that applies to non-first round picks who exceed 55% of the available offensive/defensive snaps their first three years. Each will go up to over $3 million from their contracted salaries of about $1 million. Tom made the cutoff easily, Walker snuck in at just over 56%.

[bobblehead]

Why wouldn't they train Morgan as the replacement for Walker? Tom isn't going to move to Left Tackle. Rhyan isn't a terrible player in fact he is pretty good in the run game, not sure why they need to replace him with Morgan. I think Morgan's value now that the Packers signed Banks is at Left Tackle. If they thought Morgan was ready to start at guard they would have never signed Banks. Maybe the problem with Morgan is that the Packers shouldn't have drafted him in the first place and he isn't the player they thought he was going to be, which is crazy because he was injured most of 2024 and he was a rookie.

Mostly agree. Morgan may eventually be a good guard, but he can play LT today. He probably is a step behind Walker, but if he is working on his body and feet this offseason he can catch up fast. They shouldn't have drafted Morgan to play guard. Now signing Banks tells me they didn't.

Also in a stunner I have warmed to Rhyan. He is a nasty run blocker and now however we line up we have a really dominant run blocking group. Jacobs should have a great year and hopefully Love is only passing from advantage situations.

[bobblehead]

Clearly Morgan will get opportunities at tackle, that's what he was drafted for, OT potential.

Don't remember if it was Gute or LeFleur who flat out admitted this off season that they made a mistake by not giving Morgan more opportunities at tackle last year, but justified it by saying the need at guard was more significant. Players and practice observers commented about Morgan's noticeable athleticism in drills. I am not concerned at all about Morgan...yet.

It is never wrong to draft a high potential, versatile OL; 22% of your starters are OL. It was clear from the playoff game last year that GB needs OL depth. Guys who can perform competently at 2, 3 or 4 of the positions are invaluable on game days.

Exactly, and as I have said a few times. In a normal draft Morgan is probably gone around 15-17. This draft was super deep at tackle and he lasted. Total value pick which I am always on board with.

[bobblehead]

Sounds like pack might cut jaire today? Why not keep him and make him play (and then trade him)?

If everyone knows you don’t want something - why would they give you more than a 7th for him?

Post 6/1 cut designation doesn’t save a whole lot of cap.

And ffs we know he’ll just sign w/ the queens…

But did he exaggerate his injury last year? Was he sitting just to make some weird point only he understands? If you bring him into camp will he mysteriously get hurt again making it difficult to cut him without it costing a mountain of money? I saw this play out with Bak, not sure I want to see the sequel.

[Fosco33]

Sounds like we signed Mecole Hardman to a one year deal.

Not a ton of production but without Watkins and Nixon being a liability (like costing playoff games) in returns… why not.

[CaptainKickass]

Sounds like we signed Mecole Hardman to a one year deal.

Not a ton of production but without Watkins and Nixon being a liability (like costing playoff games) in returns… why not.

The brass knows what it's doing


The decision to add him to our roster wasn't very...Hardman

Or -

Like my ex wife used to always say:

https://i.etsystatic.com/38882159/r/il/fca700/4561746468/il_1140xN.4561746468_3dn0.jpg

[Joemailman]

His returning ability should enable him to replace Bo Melton. Nixon has said he doesn't want to return kicks anymore and Jayden Reed was nothing special on punt returns.

[Bretsky]

He seems to check Gouchebag's only box. He's below 30

[texaspackerbacker]

Hardman ran a 4.33 forty at the combine, and he ran a 4.22 in a match race against several other NFL players. With Watson out at least most of the season, we need that kind of speed. Good signing assuming he is still close to that fast.

[run pMc]

He's Melton sized and likely will battle with him for a roster spot. He was a All Pro returner, so if Nixon digs in on not wanting to return kicks anymore they have that.

Mecole has talent and wheels, and he's 27. If they sign hi to a 1.25 or 1.5M deal with little/no bonus it's fine. They can cut him without a problem. He's a lottery ticket who provides some depth, and can do some of the gadget stuff.

It doesn't really move the needle a lot. Probably means they don't like the WRs in the draft or feel the top tier is elite and will bank on interior development and competition from within to improve. Would like to see them draft a WR though.

[Bretsky]

He's Melton sized and likely will battle with him for a roster spot. He was a All Pro returner, so if Nixon digs in on not wanting to return kicks anymore they have that.

Mecole has talent and wheels, and he's 27. If they sign hi to a 1.25 or 1.5M deal with little/no bonus it's fine. They can cut him without a problem. He's a lottery ticket who provides some depth, and can do some of the gadget stuff.

It doesn't really move the needle a lot. Probably means they don't like the WRs in the draft or feel the top tier is elite and will bank on interior development and competition from within to improve. Would like to see them draft a WR though.


THIS ONE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxXJ4rmZ_8

[run pMc]

THIS ONE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxXJ4rmZ_8

Yeah I like him just fine, but watching those highlights, seems like they are all from the slot or close to the formation. Doesn't seem like they lined him up wide outside, which is probably what they want unless they are doing something else with Reed. Not saying Egbuka can't play outside, but i wonder if that's not where he's best. I think Gute picks a WR in Round 2-4, he'll be gone before they do.

Side note: I liked JSN a little better coming out than Egbuka, but I probably wouldn't be mad if they picked Egbuka.

[Joemailman]

LB Kristian Welch is back with the Packers. He was with Packers in 2023. Packers had released him August 27, 2024.

[run pMc]

LB Kristian Welch is back with the Packers. He was with Packers in 2023. Packers had released him August 27, 2024.

Yeah, he had an eventful preseason with picks etc. so I think some were surprised by the cut.
He's the Eric Wilson replacement and gives Hopper competition. Doesn't preclude them from drafting or bringing in LBs but doesn't make it a need either. Bisaccia is probably happy.

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman

Brian Gutekunst confirms two-time Pro Bowl left guard Elgton Jenkins will switch positions with the arrival of Aaron Banks.

On Jenkins: “We think he can be an All-Pro center.”

[Fritz]

Brian Gutekunst on Zach Tom: "We think he can be an All-Pro center."

[bobblehead]

Mike McCarthy on Micah Hyde "we think he would be a sub par Safety"

[Teamcheez1]

Read that Love would like to run more this season and make off-schedule plays.
I think his injury was worse than he let on last season. On the bright side, he couldn’t run much less.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jordan-love-wants-to-make-more-off-schedule-plays-in-2025

[run pMc]

Mike McCarthy on Micah Hyde "we think he would be a sub par Safety"

LOL

IIRC Iowa did try Hyde at safety and he wasn't very good; he was better at corner. I don't think M3 is the keenest judge of talent. Exhibit A: as the SF OC he preferred Smith over Rodgers.

[Joemailman]

Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report

Sources: The #Packers are exercising the fifth-year option on DT Devonte Wyatt, locking in a guaranteed $12.9M for the 2026 season.

The No. 28 pick in 2022 has totaled 12 sacks in three seasons with Green Bay.

[run pMc]

Wyatt just turned 27, and has 12 career sacks in 47 games (5 starts). Given what a lot of pass rushing 3T's got in FA, this isn't bad. Not a huge fan of giving him or Quay a lot of money -- I don't think they've been consistently good enough, but I could see wanting to give him a prove-it year.

Re: Quay, no word yet, but JAX didn't exercise the option on Devin Lloyd. Speculation is that they are working on a long term deal with Quay. Do you want to keep him for 4/65M? That would basically be Nick Bolton money, not sure he's there. Everybody in the building loves him, so who knows.
It's not my money.

[smuggler]

I think more like 4 years $40 million for Quay. He's not there yet.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think Quay has gotten better each year, he wasn't 100% ready when he was drafted, his reaction time wasn't quite there and he wasn't even the most productive linebacker at Georgia. I thought the Packers reached on him in the first round and it was a head scratcher for me. I think they were hoping that he could develop behind Campbell and that never materialized and Campbell turned into a head case.

[run pMc]

well they did not pick up his option, so they are either going to let him play out his contract or extend him. I don't think he's a bad player, I think he's a great athlete who hasn't put it together. He has had both good and bad moments, and ILBs get picked on a lot by offenses, but he leaves me wanting more. I don't know that I wouldn't let him walk and try again with a couple of Day 3 guys to battle it out. ILB is not a considered a "premium position" and I'd rather save the LB contract money for Cooper down the road anyway.

If they offer him a deal in the 8-10M range that would feel a little pricey but it's not the worst contract they've done. 12-15M/yr is too much IMO. It's like overpaying for a RB.

[Joemailman]

It's official: No 5th year option for Quay.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-draft/2025/5/1/24421765/quay-walker-contract-packers-will-not-exercise-5th-year-option-on-linebacker-work-on-extension

Unlike Wyatt, the Packers have elected not to exercise the option on Walker, according to ESPN’s Rob Demovsky. His option would have added the 2026 season onto his contract with a fully-guaranteed base salary of $14.75 million, an extremely high number for an off-ball linebacker. In fact, only six players at Walker’s position have contracts with an average annual value higher than that number.

The reason for the high number is that off-ball linebackers and 3-4 outside linebackers all get lumped together for the purposes of calculating 5th-year option values. As a result, much of the value is based on pass-rushers, who generally draw significantly higher-value contracts. While Wyatt’s option makes him the 26th-highest-paid defensive tackle, making Walker the 7th-highest-paid off-ball linebacker does not reflect the caliber of play that he has provided to the Packers through his first three years.


With that said, general manager Brian Gutekunst told the media last week that the team intends to keep Walker in their long-term plans. Demovsky’s report notes that the team will try to work on a contract extension for Walker this offseason, further confirming Gutekunst’s comments about the team’s view of Walker as a building block for the defense. For now, however, he is under contract only through the end of the upcoming season and is set to earn roughly $2.6 million in base salary for 2025.

[Fosco33]

I’m not a fan of quay. I think we need smart defensive playcallers and we seem to play better when he’s off the field. Perhaps that’s unfounded / but while a freak athlete - just a little dumb.

[run pMc]

I don't think he's dumb, I think he's not instinctive, or he doesn't trust his eyes. A lot of offenses try to force LBs to making false steps, and late in the season QB's attacked the MOF between the LBs and safeties (see: Tua's 2nd half vs GB for example), and he's made some head-scratching reads against the run. I think he's willing, but I just think he's more natural athlete than natural linebacker.

Doesn't help that he landed in Barry's scheme, which is more reactive than aggressive, and he had learn and now unlearn that. It would be fantastic if the light went on for Quay, but I think he's going to be a half-beat slow unless Hafley and Co. can coach that out of him.

All of this to say, I don't think he's worth the 5th year option. I'm not even sure he's worth a sizable extension, but GB likes him so they must know something I don't.

[Teamcheez1]

I think it’s interesting that neither player was signed to a long term deal.
The Packers, at least publicly, stated that was the goal. However, they wanted the deals to run less than the 5th year option amount per year.
Obviously, the players didn’t agree at this time.

They have some long-term decisions to make on defense.
You already have Clark at $20M per year.
Do they really want to add Wyatt and Walker for $30M+?

There’s a chance all three could be gone in a year, replaced by the draft and free agency.

[Fritz]

I don't think he's dumb, I think he's not instinctive, or he doesn't trust his eyes. A lot of offenses try to force LBs to making false steps, and late in the season QB's attacked the MOF between the LBs and safeties (see: Tua's 2nd half vs GB for example), and he's made some head-scratching reads against the run. I think he's willing, but I just think he's more natural athlete than natural linebacker.

Doesn't help that he landed in Barry's scheme, which is more reactive than aggressive, and he had learn and now unlearn that. It would be fantastic if the light went on for Quay, but I think he's going to be a half-beat slow unless Hafley and Co. can coach that out of him.

All of this to say, I don't think he's worth the 5th year option. I'm not even sure he's worth a sizable extension, but GB likes him so they must know something I don't.

They seem to like him more than most fans do. It's a bit of a head-scratcher because he does seem a little out-of-position often, even to the casual fan like me. But they do seem to like him.

I don't know if they're working out a long-term extension for him, as they've led us to believe, if a snag has come up, or if really maybe they do intend to let him walk after the season. Could Ty'ron Hopper become Quay 2.0 on a cheaper contract?

[Patler]

Walker's situation is just one of the examples were the "average salary" calculations come up short. Linebackers are lumped together, but the highest paid ones are the pass-rush OLBs in 3-4 defenses. That's not Walker. Instead of paying him $15M for 2026, they'll give him that and maybe a bit more in guaranteed money for a four-year contract averaging less than the 5th year single season salary.

GB will sign the rookies, then work on extensions for Wyatt, Walker and Thom yet this offseason and early in the season.

[Teamcheez1]

Packers sign QB Taylor Elgersma from Canada.
Won the equivalent of the Heisman trophy.
Supposedly looked good in his tryout and has a live arm.

The Sean Clifford fan club may be shutting down soon.

[bobblehead]

Packers sign QB Taylor Elgersma from Canada.
Won the equivalent of the Heisman trophy.
Supposedly looked good in his tryout and has a live arm.

The Sean Clifford fan club may be shutting down soon.

Pretty sure that party of one has mostly disappeared already other than the once in a while bad game by Love.

[Guiness]

Packers sign QB Taylor Elgersma from Canada.
Won the equivalent of the Heisman trophy.
Supposedly looked good in his tryout and has a live arm.

The Sean Clifford fan club may be shutting down soon.

I've seen Elgersma play - he looks really good on the field, very commanding presence. Scrambles effectively. We'll see how he adapts to the differences between the games, the Canadian QBs who like to throw have to adapt to the smaller field and endzones, giving them less to work with.

He's a big guy, 6'5". A bit of a slight build at 227lbs
https://laurierathletics.com/sports/football/roster/taylor-elgersma/21178

[Teamcheez1]

Jayden Reed seems to be upset about his future role on the team.
Maybe he should focus on being a better WR. Playing time will come to those who earn it.
No wonder Gute drafted WR’s with all the divas we have.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/12/24428936/green-bay-packers-news-jayden-reed-agent-brian-gutekunst-meeting-role-team-depth-chart-2025-draft

[Joemailman]

Jayden Reed seems to be upset about his future role on the team.
Maybe he should focus on being a better WR. Playing time will come to those who earn it.
No wonder Gute drafted WR’s with all the divas we have.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/12/24428936/green-bay-packers-news-jayden-reed-agent-brian-gutekunst-meeting-role-team-depth-chart-2025-draft

Nagler thinks it's much ado about not much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV7Jnz3Sv8c&t=3s

[SudsMcBucky]

Nagler thinks it's much ado about not much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV7Jnz3Sv8c&t=3s

If that's true, then he and his agent should quit acting like a couple of pussies.

[MadScientist]

If that's true, then he and his agent should quit acting like a couple of pussies.

Reading the article, it doesn't fit the description that TeamCheez had. The agent asked if there was any change in status for his client given the two higher picks. It's not unreasonable for an agent to have a meeting like this, and to advocate for his player. It's a business, and they were handling it in a professional way. There were no shouts to the media about the player being treated unfairly or anything like that. Just normal NFL business that wouldn't register a blip on the radar if this wasn't the dead zone for NFL news.

[RandsRevenge]

There's some good stuff in this tape. Pro: He keeps his head up and is always looking downfield even when scrambling and under pressure. Not always tunnel vision on receiver and comes off primary. Big presence in the pocket; sees over the line. Con: Some tunnel vision. Deep outs to sideline have some air under them, take time. Release can be funny (but also a 'Pro'). Is a highlight reel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbMjQq0JS1A



I've seen Elgersma play - he looks really good on the field, very commanding presence. Scrambles effectively. We'll see how he adapts to the differences between the games, the Canadian QBs who like to throw have to adapt to the smaller field and endzones, giving them less to work with.

He's a big guy, 6'5". A bit of a slight build at 227lbs
https://laurierathletics.com/sports/football/roster/taylor-elgersma/21178

[run pMc]

I agree it's much ado about nothing. Smart for agent and GM to meet, although MLF has final say on how Reed is used. That said, I think Savion Williams will have more impact on Reed's role than Golden. I'd expect Golden to play outside, Reed stay in the slot, and Williams to occasionally play there and take the jet sweeps off his plate. I think Reed got ground down by the end of the year from all the running around and the hits he took. He was also returning punts.

Nowhere does the article say anything about Reed, that he's making demands or pouting. This is about reading the early signs of the groundwork for a contract extension, and if it's possible/likely with GB.
James Jones wasn't tickled when Jordy got drafted, but he managed just fine.

[Joemailman]

A bigger issue might be that, according to Jason Wilde, Elgton Jenkins is looking to restructure his contract. He has 2 years left on his contract. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/13/24429619/green-bay-packers-elgton-jenkins-contract-restructure-news-projection-salary-cap-hit-2025-2026

[bobblehead]

I'm starting to think every headline needs to read "Player A wants NFL draft to be eliminated and all players not currently in the league banned for life"

[Joemailman]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/27/24438019/packers-jaire-alexander-contract-negotiations-wants-to-remain-green-bay-report

Jaire Alexander may yet remain a Green Bay Packer in 2025, and according to a report on Tuesday, that is his wish. The Athletic published a report this morning stating that the Packers have offered Alexander a restructured contract for the upcoming season, the clearest sign yet that the team is willing and open to him returning this fall.

While that bit of news is notable in its own right, the item that follows it is even more interesting. Reporter Matt Schneidman says that Alexander “wants to remain in Green Bay,” the first clear reporting about what the cornerback’s preferred outcome would be. If Alexander’s first choice is indeed to return to the Packers for the upcoming season, then that further indicates that an amicable settlement between the two sides is the most likely result.

Additionally, Schneidman’s sources say that Alexander plans to attend the Packers’ mandatory minicamp in June, even if he does not have a new contract settled.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/5/27/24438019/packers-jaire-alexander-contract-negotiations-wants-to-remain-green-bay-report

Jaire Alexander may yet remain a Green Bay Packer in 2025, and according to a report on Tuesday, that is his wish. The Athletic published a report this morning stating that the Packers have offered Alexander a restructured contract for the upcoming season, the clearest sign yet that the team is willing and open to him returning this fall.

While that bit of news is notable in its own right, the item that follows it is even more interesting. Reporter Matt Schneidman says that Alexander “wants to remain in Green Bay,” the first clear reporting about what the cornerback’s preferred outcome would be. If Alexander’s first choice is indeed to return to the Packers for the upcoming season, then that further indicates that an amicable settlement between the two sides is the most likely result.

Additionally, Schneidman’s sources say that Alexander plans to attend the Packers’ mandatory minicamp in June, even if he does not have a new contract settled.

Fuck yeah!

Time to buy your tickets, book your flight and hotel, and get your flowers ready, cos, San Francisco, here comes da Pack!

J-Alex plugs a dagger through Butte’s heart, metaphorically, with a pick in da clutch, sealing Super Bowl 60 for the Packers over Butte’s Lumpensteelers - as Bobble, Fosco, Nutz, and other J-Alex haters eat crow.

[Teamcheez1]

The Packers must have more faith in Jaire than I do.
I guess they are balancing the risk/reward with the new proposed contract (whatever it may be).
I’ve read this book before. It always ends the same way.

[bobblehead]

The Packers must have more faith in Jaire than I do.
I guess they are balancing the risk/reward with the new proposed contract (whatever it may be).
I’ve read this book before. It always ends the same way.

Agree. I still maintain that Jaire's days in GB are over. I just don't believe he will agree to a meaningful restructure and the team won't allow themselves to be locked in to 17+ Million cash outlay for a player that has proven he has a shitty attitude and I believe quit on his team last season. This is all just posturing on the Packers side to extend the timeline on the trade window and make sure that if they cut him on the final cutdown he doesn't have time to be ready on day 1 for a new team on a contract he should have agreed to with us. This will play out all summer and he will be cut before the season is my best bet.

[bobblehead]

Best case we get a 6th from an average AFC team that thinks they are better than they are. Looking at you Miami.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Agree. I still maintain that Jaire's days in GB are over. I just don't believe he will agree to a meaningful restructure and the team won't allow themselves to be locked in to 17+ Million cash outlay for a player that has proven he has a shitty attitude and I believe quit on his team last season. This is all just posturing on the Packers side to extend the timeline on the trade window and make sure that if they cut him on the final cutdown he doesn't have time to be ready on day 1 for a new team on a contract he should have agreed to with us. This will play out all summer and he will be cut before the season is my best bet.

You and my boi, Tex, are two rotten apples from the same tree. Y’all prone to excreting shit and presenting them as “facts,” no matter the foulness.

The only thing “shitty” about J-Alex’s attitude is, it’s a notion that’s nothing more than a part of your excrement. What shitty attitude? Quit confusing cockiness with selfishness. The shutdown corner is supposed to be cocky.

J-Alex quit on the team? Source? The Leader of the Pack, Lovemaker, has publicly stated that he wants J-Alex in the Green and Mustard Yellow next season. Quit confusing J-Alex with Dre Campbell, hombre.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, APB, there are obviously some things I agree with you about and some I do not. On this end of the forum, I'm with you more often than not, I guess.

Regarding Jaire, the fact that the team apparently decided to keep him says a helluva lot.We see know nothing media assholes and know very little posters ragging on him. Their shit could be true, but that Gutenkunst and La Fleur are not getting rid of Jaire pretty much says bullshit to the idea that he "quit on the team" as well as the idea that it's a sure thing he's so far over the hill that he can't come back.

It would be a downright tragedy if we got rid of Jaire for nothng or very cheap (like a 6th rounder) and then he bounced back and was a star for somebody else. I sure don't want to see that, and if the opinions/actions of the Packer leadership think he's worth keeping, that carries a lot more weight than the words of the know-nothings. The most recent "facts" we have are the performance of Jaire the last times when he wasn't injured, and as I recall, he was still pretty damn good. That and the fact that he's apparently willing to take a lot less and have a chance to prove himself makes me say, keep him at least until we know for sure.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Well, APB, there are obviously some things I agree with you about and some I do not. On this end of the forum, I'm with you more often than not, I guess.

Regarding Jaire, the fact that the team apparently decided to keep him says a helluva lot.We see know nothing media assholes and know very little posters ragging on him. Their shit could be true, but that Gutenkunst and La Fleur are not getting rid of Jaire pretty much says bullshit to the idea that he "quit on the team" as well as the idea that it's a sure thing he's so far over the hill that he can't come back.

It would be a downright tragedy if we got rid of Jaire for nothng or very cheap (like a 6th rounder) and then he bounced back and was a star for somebody else. I sure don't want to see that, and if the opinions/actions of the Packer leadership think he's worth keeping, that carries a lot more weight than the words of the know-nothings. The most recent "facts" we have are the performance of Jaire the last times when he wasn't injured, and as I recall, he was still pretty damn good. That and the fact that he's apparently willing to take a lot less and have a chance to prove himself makes me say, keep him at least until we know for sure.

Good post.

Can’t have the likes of LaDarious Gunter covering the likes of Julio Jones. Cutting/trading a shutdown corner in his prime is dumber than, well, Tony ODay.

[Fosco33]

Best case we get a 6th from an average AFC team that thinks they are better than they are. Looking at you Miami.

He’s missed what - 50% of the games in last 3-4 years. I’m done with him and don’t care if we get anything in a trade.

But I think the packers have to ‘show interest in keeping him’ otherwise why would a team not just wait for him to be cut…

I do think he’s a bit of a headcase and seemed to quit late last year. But we don’t know much.

[run pMc]

Packers can cut Jenkins and get 20M in cap relief. For a C he's way overpaid compared to the market. He's likely looking for assurances in the form of an extension with guarantees. They'll sort it out. I'm not worried right now, it's OTAs.

Jaire is still a very corner, it's fair for GB to not let him go without getting something in trade. His contract compared to his availability is the problem. Oft-injured players don't get any less injured as they age.

FWIW, Nate Hobbs has some injury history too, so maybe between Hobbs and Jaire they can get 17+ games of good outside corner play at one spot with Nixon/Valentine at the other. They don't want to pay $30M in total for it though.
I'm glad they are offering a reworked contract to Jaire; it's on him to decide what he wants to do. There isn't that much of a market for injured expensive corners, especially post-draft. Jalen Ramsey is still out there too.

There's a lot we don't know about the Jaire situation, so I'm just waiting for it to play out.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good post.

Can’t have the likes of LaDarious Gunter covering the likes of Julio Jones. Cutting/trading a shutdown corner in his prime is dumber than, well, Tony ODay.

hahahaha I liked Ladarius Gunter. He was an over-achiever. He covered pretty good for somebody with limited ability and not much speed.

[bobblehead]

You and my boi, Tex, are two rotten apples from the same tree. Y’all prone to excreting shit and presenting them as “facts,” no matter the foulness.

The only thing “shitty” about J-Alex’s attitude is, it’s a notion that’s nothing more than a part of your excrement. What shitty attitude? Quit confusing cockiness with selfishness. The shutdown corner is supposed to be cocky.

J-Alex quit on the team? Source? The Leader of the Pack, Lovemaker, has publicly stated that he wants J-Alex in the Green and Mustard Yellow next season. Quit confusing J-Alex with Dre Campbell, hombre.

I guess when I say "I maintain" "I don't believe" and "I believe" and finally "my best bet" you interpret this as assertions of fact. But then you never have been too intellectually honest.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Motherfuck!!! Smile and smile and be fucking villains, Bobble, Fosco and Nutz!

Per ESPN, Packers (foolishly) plan to release J-Alex.

[Fosco33]

Bye Felicia

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Bye Felicia

When Nixon, Hobbs and Valentine are getting slaughtered by Jefferson, I will be sure to smile and smile and be a villain right back at you.

[Joemailman]

Vikings sign him yet?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Vikings sign him yet?

I hope not. Their DC loves the all-out blitz. J-Alex would make the D even more impregnable.

[Fosco33]

When Nixon, Hobbs and Valentine are getting slaughtered by Jefferson, I will be sure to smile and smile and be a villain right back at you.

Jaire would be on our sideline like end of season as usual. I’d rather have guys that want to be here. Not a difficult concept

[Fosco33]

“ The Packers offered Jaire Alexander a reduced, incentive-laden one-year deal that'd make him a free agent in 2026—Alexander turned it down, not liking the structure. Green Bay tried to trade him in March, and during the draft.

That also failed, so Alexander's a June free agent.” Albert Breer

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Jaire would be on our sideline like end of season as usual. I’d rather have guys that want to be here. Not a difficult concept

Who said J-Alex doesn’t want to be in cold, dark and dull Green Bay?

It’s MVS, Lazard and St. Paul all over again. Packers have the worst corner corps in the NFL. #1 CB, Nixon, is a slot guy. Their slot guy, Hobbs, can’t hold J-Alex’s jackstrap, and he’s is even more injury-prone than J-Alex. Valentine? Butte is licking his chops at the thought of targeting this bum (Valentine) all day long.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

“ The Packers offered Jaire Alexander a reduced, incentive-laden one-year deal that'd make him a free agent in 2026—Alexander turned it down, not liking the structure. Green Bay tried to trade him in March, and during the draft.

That also failed, so Alexander's a June free agent.” Albert Breer

Would you take a pay cut at your current employment?

[Tony Oday]

Would you take a pay cut at your current employment?

If it's more than I can get on the open market then yes.

[Fosco33]

Would you take a pay cut at your current employment?

If I worked half the time. Sure.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If it's more than I can get on the open market then yes.

You’re saying I should quit burger flipping, eh? Gotta be another gig out there that pays more than $15/hr.

[Sparkey]

It is really simple and it comes down to $$$ in relation to availability. I don't think anyone will argue that when healthy Alexander is one of the better cb's in the NFL.

I would venture a guess that about half of the cap savings goes to extending a few core guys.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If I worked half the time. Sure.

You’re saying you would willingly take a pay cut if you got injured on the job and couldn’t work your normal hours while you rehab?

J-Alex signed a contract. He’s a shutdown corner worthy of the contract when on the field. The injuries are beyond his control.

The Packers - not J-Alex - are the ones betraying the contract.

[SudsMcBucky]

You’re saying you would willingly take a pay cut if you got injured on the job and couldn’t work your normal hours while you rehab?

J-Alex signed a contract. He’s a shutdown corner worthy of the contract when on the field. The injuries are beyond his control.

The Packers - not J-Alex - are the ones betraying the contract.

I think the main problem is that this may NOT be how management feels.

[Joemailman]

Packers now 46 million under the cap for 2025, but only 7.5 million under the cap for 2026. Gute will be busy. Zach Tom about to get paid, and there will likely be other contract adjustments.

[bobblehead]

Agree. I still maintain that Jaire's days in GB are over. I just don't believe he will agree to a meaningful restructure and the team won't allow themselves to be locked in to 17+ Million cash outlay for a player that has proven he has a shitty attitude and I believe quit on his team last season. This is all just posturing on the Packers side to extend the timeline on the trade window and make sure that if they cut him on the final cutdown he doesn't have time to be ready on day 1 for a new team on a contract he should have agreed to with us. This will play out all summer and he will be cut before the season is my best bet.

Right on not trading Rodgers. Right on trading Rodgers. Right on Cutting Jaire. Also right on cutting Grant back in the day when everyone said I was crazy.

Next up they rework Jenkins to a 3 year deal that replaces the existing deal and provides him with some guaranteed money. Also lets lock up Zach Tom.

[Tony Oday]

You’re saying I should quit burger flipping, eh? Gotta be another gig out there that pays more than $15/hr.

You have to actively try to make $15 or less.

[bobblehead]

You’re saying you would willingly take a pay cut if you got injured on the job and couldn’t work your normal hours while you rehab?

J-Alex signed a contract. He’s a shutdown corner worthy of the contract when on the field. The injuries are beyond his control.

The Packers - not J-Alex - are the ones betraying the contract.

The current union agreement allows the packers to waive the contract. Don't like it, take it up at the next meeting. Honestly I think they treated Jaire better than he deserved. I would have let him rot until final cut downs and make sure he couldn't have time to be ready until week 3 for his new team. It also would have made sure the couldn't get near as much money as the Packers were offering him.

Jaire KNOWS he won't play more than 12 games. If he believed he would then he would have taken the incentive deal that is easily more than he will receive on the open market. My guess his he signs a 1 year deal for 10-11 million. It may say 3 years, but it will effectively be a 1 year with some funny money on it so he looks like a winner in the deal.

[Joemailman]

It's official.



The Green Bay Packers released CB Jaire Alexander. The move was announced Monday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

"In his seven seasons with the Packers, Jaire established himself as one of the premier players in the NFL at one of the game's most challenging positions," said Gutekunst. "His contributions to our organization were felt on the field, in the locker room and in our community, and he will be missed. We appreciate all he gave and we wish him all the best moving forward."

[ThunderDan]

I hate to see the Jaire that plays be released. I am glad the Packers released the Jaire that can’t stay health anymore and misses major time each season.

[Patler]

I hate to see the Jaire that plays be released. I am glad the Packers released the Jaire that can’t stay health anymore and misses major time each season.

Yup. Felt the same when Bakhtiari was released. Really wanted more years from both players, but it was time to move on. Unlike Bakh, Jaire will likely get a chance somewhere else.

[texaspackerbacker]

I haven't researched it and don't know what free agent Corners are out there, but you would think we could get somebody about as good as a healthy Jaire who ain't injury prone (or whatever) for the same money we woulda paid him.

In any case, I think the team will be fine with what we have everywhere else on D.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I haven't researched it and don't know what free agent Corners are out there, but you would think we could get somebody about as good as a healthy Jaire who ain't injury prone (or whatever) for the same money we woulda paid him.

In any case, I think the team will be fine with what we have everywhere else on D.

Shutdown corners ain’t wander around and about the streets of Baltimore for too long, hombre. In fact, aside from J-Alex, there ain’t any shutdown corners right now on the streets of Baltimore.

Maybe trade for Ramsey.

Shoulda drafted Dejean last year instead of that bum Yokozuna. What’s the bum’s name again? Miller? McKenzie? Michaels? Morgan?

[SudsMcBucky]

I haven't researched it and don't know what free agent Corners are out there, but you would think we could get somebody about as good as a healthy Jaire who ain't injury prone (or whatever) for the same money we woulda paid him.

In any case, I think the team will be fine with what we have everywhere else on D.

Here's your top 10 according to Spotrac.

1. Jaire Alexander
2. James Bradberry
3. Kendall Fuller
4. Rasul Douglas
5. Stephon Gilmore
6. Mike Hilton
7. CJ Henderson
8. Shaquill Griffin
9. Michael Davis
10. Emmanuel Moseley

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You have to actively try to make $15 or less.

So, my dumbass boss has moved me, metaphorically speaking, from the grill to the deep fryers. It’s an insult to my ego.

Tell me, must I quit?

[SudsMcBucky]

So, my dumbass boss has moved me, metaphorically speaking, from the grill to the deep fryers. It’s an insult to my ego.

Tell me, must I quit?

Well, I woulda suggested that long before you got moved to the deep fryer.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Well, I woulda suggested that long before you got moved to the deep fryer.

Alas, I am too old to dream; too young to die, to borrow Castellows. Quit and do what?

If I had the bankroll, I’d be a poker pro. Lost $3700 last month. Maybe I am delusional.

[texaspackerbacker]

Shutdown corners ain’t wander around and about the streets of Baltimore for too long, hombre. In fact, aside from J-Alex, there ain’t any shutdown corners right now on the streets of Baltimore.

Maybe trade for Ramsey.

Shoulda drafted Dejean last year instead of that bum Yokozuna. What’s the bum’s name again? Miller? McKenzie? Michaels? Morgan?

They might be hanging around burger joints hahahaha.

If Spotrac know what they're talking about (not really a sure thing), they all should be cheaper than Jaire. Of course, theoretically, the Packers could still re-sign and bring back Jaire. All of those guys are 30 or more, I think, except Henderson who is labeled as a bust and Mosely, just slightly under 30.

I really think with our Safetys and LBs, we could play a lot of zone and be just fine.

[texaspackerbacker]

Alas, I am too old to dream; too young to die, to borrow Castellows. Quit and do what?

If I had the bankroll, I’d be a poker pro. Lost $3700 last month. Maybe I am delusional.

I've told you repeatedly, be an Independent CPA. You've said you're a CPA and no firm will hire you. Fine, there's plenty of demand for that sort of thjng.

[SudsMcBucky]

I've told you repeatedly, be an Independent CPA. You've said you're a CPA and no firm will hire you. Fine, there's plenty of demand for that sort of thjng.

Well, technically, you can't actually be a CPA if you've never worked for one. That's part of the steps of actually becoming a CPA (at least MOST states require that.)

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Well, technically, you can't actually be a CPA if you've never worked for one. That's part of the steps of actually becoming a CPA (at least MOST states require that.)

Yeah, having some length of accounting experience is part of the deal. I haven’t done any accounting work since 2008 - worked 3 months unpaid for the “experience” and they still refused to hire me at the end.

Pretty sure I applied to ThunderDan CPA and got shot down by the man himself.

[ThunderDan]

Yeah, having some length of accounting experience is part of the deal. I haven’t done any accounting work since 2008 - worked 3 months unpaid for the “experience” and they still refused to hire me at the end.

Pretty sure I applied to ThunderDan CPA and got shot down by the man himself.

Keep making shit up in your head. You have never sent a resume to our firm. No one has. We have to hire recruiters to find anybody. We have gotten our last 3 hires that way.

But you be you, making up stories in your head.

PS. My 17-year-old son makes $17.65 stocking shelves at Target.

[texaspackerbacker]

APB and Thunder, based on what you both are saying, actually send him your resume and get hired, APB.

I don't know how many business and econ courses you had on your way to being a CPA, but presumably plenty. I had enough courses without really trying to qualify not only for a real estate license but to go straight to being a Broker and have my own office. There's also a distinct possibility for you to do that.

And from what I've heard about Target, they would be your kind of people hahahaha.

[pittstang5]

I hate to see the Jaire that plays be released. I am glad the Packers released the Jaire that can’t stay health anymore and misses major time each season.

If I were a betting man and if such a bet exists, I'd put money on Jaire playing all 17 games next year for whatever team signs him.