Under-reaction thread.

[George Cumby]

Yeah, the loss was disappointing. (Philly was the #2 seed and favored, BTW. With a high powered offense and a heinous defense, yet a win was within reach.)

Yeah, the O played poorly, Love in particular.

BUT.

There's a lot of reason to be optimistic moving forward:

This team is young.

The defense, if they continue to improve is going to be gnarly next year.

Fuck-tons of cap space.

Lots of talent in key positions.

[Joemailman]

3 rookies started on the defense. They weren't just marginal players either. They were better than the vets who would play when they were out. For the offense, the offseason will be all about marrying the power running game to the passing attack. They never really figured that out this year.

[KYPack]

Gute came up STRONG in FA last season.

How about a solid pass rusher or a cover corner in FA this off season?

[George Cumby]

I know it's fantasy-land but either Max Crosby or Miles Garrett would be great additions.

[Deputy Nutz]

Gute came up STRONG in FA last season.

How about a solid pass rusher or a cover corner in FA this off season?

Name them.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok I will
Josh Sweat - 12% pressure rate this year and is still under 30.
Dante Fowler - 12% pressure rate 31 years old
Dayo Odeyingbo - 12 sacks in 2023, 11% pressure rate this year.

CBs
Carlton Davis - Detroit
DJ Reed - Jets
Brandon Stephens - Baltimore
Byron Murphy - Minnesota
Kristian Fulton - Chargers

[run pMc]

I'm not sure any of those players will make it to FA, or if they are the type of players Gute is looking for. (Davis is old, Reed is Jaire size or smaller, for example)
Agree they need help at pass rush and CB though and wouldn't be surprised if they use FA.

Also could see them nibbling around for a WR like Josh Palmer (LAC) or someone to run 9 routes like DJ Chark.

[MadtownPacker]

The only underreaction this Sunday was Love not getting fired up even once for the playoff game. He looked gone or lost before the first snap. The camera caught in full emo mode when eagles scored the first TD. It was a look of, oh shit!!

[George Cumby]

The only underreaction this Sunday was Love not getting fired up even once for the playoff game. He looked gone or lost before the first snap. The camera caught in full emo mode when eagles scored the first TD. It was a look of, oh shit!!

Yeah. About that. He might not ever be a vocal leader, I don't think that's his style. Based on what little I've seen and know about the kid, it appears he's going to have to be a quiet, lead by example type and let Jacobs, Kraft and other be the loud voices in the room.

But the apparent lack of fire in his belly is concerning. But we really don't know. We are trying to piece together a puzzle where we have precious little information.

I do wonder what the toll of all the injuries were taking on his performance.

I'm not sour on the kid yet. I'll wait to see how he does next season.

[MadtownPacker]

He wasn’t hurt or at least not much where it was visible so he needed to play. When LaPew straight up says it at the podium then it is a bigger problem than we think. I never minded Rodgers getting mad at his teammates the issue was the belittling. Is Love too much friends with everyone added with him not being a vocal guy? To hell with words even his body language was fuked up. Not standing proud, not showing emotion. To hell with mechanics he might need a tune up between the ears.

[sharpe1027]

He takes a lot of risks already. I don't want him more fired up.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think Love doesn't take risks, it wasn't a risk the pass he threw to Baun, he just either didn't see him, or he got radar lock and threw it anyways. It wasn't like he was trying to throw a side arm missile twister into a tight window. The Int at the end of the half against the Rams was pathetic, certainly not a risk. He threw that ball out of panic.

Love doesn't play with emotion, and that really affects the way the fans in Green Bay see him. Favre and Rodgers both played with a lot of emotion and energy. I don't believe it but it does seem to appear that Love is either completely overwhelmed at times or it is like he is going through the motions. He is still young the game might not have completely slowed down for him yet.

[ThunderDan]

Pat Kirwin on NFL radio says you need 30 starts to find out who your QB really is. I think Love has now had 32 starts.

Maybe last year's giant contract extension was too early. I am not sure, but Love didn't progress the way I hoped he would.

He really seems to lock into 1 WR when he is pressured/scrambling. Causing him not to see other players both offense and defense that can affect the play.

[Joemailman]

Pat Kirwin on NFL radio says you need 30 starts to find out who your QB really is. I think Love has now had 32 starts.

Maybe last year's giant contract extension was too early. I am not sure, but Love didn't progress the way I hoped he would.

He really seems to lock into 1 WR when he is pressured/scrambling. Causing him not to see other players both offense and defense that can affect the play.

He especially seems inclined to heave a long, low percentage pass downfield when pressured. Would like to see him focus on locating guys who may be breaking open in the 10-15 yard range.

[Deputy Nutz]

or on Sunday when he had a lane to run and he basically threw it behind himself to the RB on the sideline for a very shaky incompletion. Just plays that don't make any sense, that pass should have never ben contemplated much less attempted. Injuries do that to players. He is banged up with the elbow thing, running with the ball is a threat to his health.

[call_me_ishmael]

Looking at Love's contract, I think he is basically guaranteed to be the starter the next two years, so I suspect we'll learn a lot. He'll either take the next step and we'll be able to contend, or he won't, and he'll be cut before 2027.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think/hope he will rise to the occasion and they will get to the NFCC.

[George Cumby]

or on Sunday when he had a lane to run and he basically threw it behind himself to the RB on the sideline for a very shaky incompletion. Just plays that don't make any sense, that pass should have never ben contemplated much less attempted. Injuries do that to players. He is banged up with the elbow thing, running with the ball is a threat to his health.

I though he could've run for at least the first down there. I was screaming at the TV on that one.

[run pMc]

I though he could've run for at least the first down there. I was screaming at the TV on that one.

I think over the bye they drummed into his head that he needs to be ok with the checkdown and not throw so many YOLO balls downfield. His INTs dropped quite a bit.
Agree on the specific play you mentioned though, he would have picked up 3-5 yards if he'd scrambled, which makes me wonder if it was worried about the injuries he's already had this year.

As for the no emotion thing, I think you actually want that out of your QB. It's what you call poise and handling pressure. The rest of the team will take their cue from him - good or bad, move on to the next play. It's hard enough without letting the previous play live in your head rent free.

In comparison, Sam Darnold's eyes were popping out of his eyes and he was probably seeing ghosts against the Rams.

[MadtownPacker]

He especially seems inclined to heave a long, low percentage pass downfield when pressured. Would like to see him focus on locating guys who may be breaking open in the 10-15 yard range.
Exactly!! He never took what the defense was giving him. Just locked on with blinders like many have mentioned.

[Fritz]

Yeah. About that. He might not ever be a vocal leader, I don't think that's his style. Based on what little I've seen and know about the kid, it appears he's going to have to be a quiet, lead by example type and let Jacobs, Kraft and other be the loud voices in the room.

But the apparent lack of fire in his belly is concerning. But we really don't know. We are trying to piece together a puzzle where we have precious little information.

I do wonder what the toll of all the injuries were taking on his performance.

I'm not sour on the kid yet. I'll wait to see how he does next season.

This is as close a segue way to my recent thoughts as I'm gonna get, so here I go:

Conecting your thoughts on leadership to another player - Kesean Nixon. I like him mostly as a player - he does make plays - and before this season he seemed to be awfully good as a returner. So when he came out at the end of the season and basically said "Nah, I ain't returning kicks no more," that bothered me. Teams that win championships are laser focused on, as Bo Schembecler used to say, "the team, the team, the team." Guys who will do any thing, any thing at all, to win. Play out of position. Return kicks. Block. Whatever it is, if it's for the team, they'll do it.

I can understand that Nixon doesn't want to return kicks any more. Okay. But don't say thiat in public. Go talk to The Flower and tell him, and say you don't want to do it any more but if the team needs him to do that, he will. Then Flower, as a good coach, will say "I hear you," and he'll put the wheels in motion so Guter gets a kick return guy - and maybe a guy who can and will return punts too, as Jayden Reed is sure-handed but no real threat.

But to come out sounding like Jaire - "me, me, me," well, that's not a good look and does not send a good message to your teammates.

I didn't like how he went about trying to lose the kickoff return duties.

[Patler]

Bart Starr didn't outwardly show emotion either. He played very "business-like", not unlike Love.

[MadtownPacker]

Bart Starr didn't outwardly show emotion either. He played very "business-like", not unlike Love.Besides it being a different world when peeps didn't seem to showboat as much, all the stuff I have seen about Starr showed confidence while humble. Love appears humble but his face and body language did not appear confident.

[Patler]

Love appears humble but his face and body language did not appear confident.

I do not see that in him...at all.

[MadtownPacker]

I do not see that in him...at all.
I wasn’t sure but after watching this 2023 season review I saw a big difference:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KTfzdTDDy_w

I found it interesting in that you saw his confidence grow. This season I don’t think you can say that happened. I do think he can be saved but it needs to be addressed. LaFleur said as much on one of his press conferences.

[run pMc]

I wonder how much of that was impacted by his injuries? A knee injury will mess with your mechanics, which can mess with your accuracy. Likewise on the groin injury. So much of throwing fundamentals are actually in the footwork and legs.
I think his mental makeup is fine. Dude has been through a lot in his young life and this is no different.

He has room for improvement, but Jordan Love is not the problem with this team.

[MadtownPacker]

Ok maybe I was venting a bit but he was one of the problems this season more at the end.

[Joemailman]

Packers LB Edgerrin Cooper, S Evan Williams named to PFWA All-Rookie team.