DEAR GOUCHEBAG, BRING THE FRESNO FRAUD and YOUR WISCONSIN BADGER HOME

[Bretsky]

Is this the mother load of all captain obvious Get it Done Gouchebag moments ?

Once upon a time I labled Devante Adams the Fresno Fraud as I kept seeing flashbacks of Robert Ferguson (who we drafted over Badger legend Chris Chambers) when he had the dropsies in his poor rookie season.

As Mad would occasionally point out, that was my motherload of all F'ck up labels.

The Fresno Fraud turned out to be a Fresno Freak and has displayed the talent to be in the Hall of Fame one day. He wanted to be resigned by Green Bay one full year before GB shipped him off to the Raiders. But Gouchers didn't get it done, and unlike many WR's these days, Devante played out his contract like a true professional and thankfully didn't get hurt. But his ego was bruised and he wanted out. He wanted to go with his old buddy, Carr, and then he ended up going to an even sadder situation as SHARON Rodgers gutted the Jets franchise.

He was cut. He's there for a contract without haivng to give away any draft compensation at all. He's made comments that Jordan Love is way better than he thought, and has put word out that he'd welcome a return to Green Bay. He's a class act, he's loved by the press, and if this isn't the easiest no brainer I've seen I don't know what is.

Green Bay has zero #1 WR's but they definitely have a group of guys who, IF they grow, can be very effecting #2 and #3 WR's. Not only does Adams make the Paid, perhaps overpaid Love machine better, he makes the whole WR group better and a strength instead of a weakness. And Adams, the dude still wants to make a few great seasons so someday he qualified for the Hall of Fame. NO BRAINER,....NO BRAINER...NO BRAINER....I think we have cash, and between WR, DL, and CB it'd be so nice if we addressed 2 of these 3 in free agency and then go draft BPA after.

Thoughts Rats....my Captain Obvious thought, is Get it down Gouchebag. Perhaps we start at 3 year 54 Million.....maybe max out at 3 year....63 Million. WOuld seem reasonable for all sides

SECOND IDEA

OK, so the Packer GM's are often "too smart" to draft the no brainers in their back yard.

I know I was not the only one pissed when Wold drafted Buckley over Troy Vincent, and Teddy passed up the opportunity to draft about the best Defender in football in TJ Watt to trade back for a gag of shit and draft Kevin King instead. Nice job guys.

Well there is a safety in our backyard, who is going to be an effecting player for many many years to come. A Jimmy Leonard type leader, with Jimmy Leonard type intelligence.

DEAR GOUCHEBAG, Draft Wisconsin Badger Safety, Hunter Wohler. Not well hyped, not incredibly elite, but just very very good at everything he does and he constantly overdelivers.
And, I"m only slightl suprised, but the dude scored 9.55 on his Belover RAS test. So here we have a smash mouth football player, who is intelligent, and CAN play, and is also a freak athlete.

9.55 puts ranks him at about 50th out of 1083 RAS scores for safeties entering the draft from 1987 to 2025. I know...4.57 40 year dash...but Along with that, Wohler was clocked at 6.72 seconds in the three-cone and 4.25 in the shuttle. He was measured at 6-foot-2 and 213 pounds with a 37-inch vertail jump and 10-foot broad jump.

Wity that being said, THROW ALL THAT SHIT OUT THE WINDOW

The DUDE CAN PLAY.

Dear Gouchebag, get it down. The Frenso Freak and the Hunter belong in GREEN BAY

[Teamcheez1]

We’ll see what DA wants for his next and probably last contract.
I remember the Packers pursuing JJ Watt a few years back. JJ said great things about wanting to play for a winner and all that.
In the end, he took the money and signed with a bad Cardinals team.
I expect about the same for Adams.
Maybe he tries to get back with Rodgers or takes less to be with a playoff contending team.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't know about Devante Adams, shit doesn't usually work out the second time around. Age is a real thing.

Wohler was one of the best high school players I have ever seen, its a shame Covid 2020 ruined what could have been one of the greatest state championship games of all time, Wohler's Muskego Warriors vs Braelon Allen's Fond du Lac Cardinals. Wohler should have came out last year as his senior year wasn't great, I respect the loyalty to the Badgers but most guys that were turnover guys from the Chryst years just didn't have the same careers as Badgers after Fickell took over.

[Fritz]

I don't know about Devante Adams, shit doesn't usually work out the second time around. Age is a real thing.

Wohler was one of the best high school players I have ever seen, its a shame Covid 2020 ruined what could have been one of the greatest state championship games of all time, Wohler's Muskego Warriors vs Braelon Allen's Fond du Lac Cardinals. Wohler should have came out last year as his senior year wasn't great, I respect the loyalty to the Badgers but most guys that were turnover guys from the Chryst years just didn't have the same careers as Badgers after Fickell took over.

I don't know anything about the Wisconsin kid, so can say nothing there, but about Davante Adams - I have mixed feelings. Generally, I'd agree with Nutzy here - the second-time-around thing doesn't usually work out, and age is real. And if he wants a longer deal that's going to drag the cap down, well, my guess is that Adams only has maybe two or three (tops) really good seasons ahead. It's going to be a decline soon. So do you want to do that thing where you sign him to a contract and in two years everyone's bitching about how much dead cap money there'll be because Adams needs to be gone? On the other hand, he'd be a big upgrade over Romeo Doubs (I see them having similar roles), whose career I think is in danger after two concussions.

Yet the Packers need - what they really need - is a field-stretching guy. And Adams is not that.

So I don't know if it would be a good move or not. The whole WR corps seems kinda weird aned messed up right now. Watson hurt (again), Doubs concussed twice AND crabby about his role earlier in the season, Reed and Wicks taking steps backward.

[MadtownPacker]

I saw a couple of the jet games last year and he does not appear to have lost anything. He takes really good care of himself. He’s a family man and his wife who is from Salinas (farm town) has always mentioned how she loved Green Bay. I could see this happening because it really should. The WR groups need a veteran presence and you couldn’t ask for a better one. The money is gonna get blown somewhere this would be worth it.

Just have Shannon Sharpe give Devante some of his cognac first. The interview he did on club Shay Shay is what started all this talk after he slammed a cup of it and his Packers love spilled out.

[texaspackerbacker]

I completely agree, Bretsky, although it's kinda dependent on where Wohler fits in the draft, as there are several positions we need worse than Safety.

When I first read "bring your badger home", I thought you might be talking about Zach Baun who is a free agent, albeit probably a too expensive one.

Much as I like the idea of Metcalf, Davante is close to as good, maybe still better even at his current age. Getting him without giving up a draft pick and/or a good player is clearly the best way to go.

[ThunderDan]

Baun was never a free agent.

Eagles extended him with a 3 year deal.

[Bretsky]

Devante is TOO EASY

He's still an elite route runner. I don't want Metcalf for a draft pick, and about the 30MIL/year plus he wants. He's a nut job imo as well. BRING DEVANTE HOME; he NEVER should have left in the first place. Didn't work out for either side. Had GOUCHEBAG signed him when he should have, over one year left on his deal, he'd have never left in the first place.

We NEED somebody who we can rely on to run a great route and get open on 3rd down.

A field stretcher, I agree...we need another Watson. Find one in the draft. But bring the FRESNO FREAK home !!!


AS FOR THE HUNTER, I fully expect him to be drafted by Pittsburg, or perhsps the Ravens and thrive.

After all, the Packers GM's seem to hate Badgers

[run pMc]

Jack Sanborn has pretty good LB coverage grades, he'd be a cheap pickup in FA.

[call_me_ishmael]

Would MUCH rather have Devante than the Metcalf.

[The Shadow]

Agree.

[bobblehead]

Adams is 32 and will be 33 by the playoffs. He does take care of himself and is still effective, but honestly no way we should pay him what he wants. Maybe 2 years 12 per. He's going to get 2 for 40 with a fake year at a stupid number year 3 so it looks better. I don't want to pay him that. I'd pay DK 30 before I pay Adams 20 at this point.

[MadtownPacker]

Adams is 32 and will be 33 by the playoffs. He does take care of himself and is still effective, but honestly no way we should pay him what he wants. Maybe 2 years 12 per. He's going to get 2 for 40 with a fake year at a stupid number year 3 so it looks better. I don't want to pay him that. I'd pay DK 30 before I pay Adams 20 at this point.
Pay the guy that doesn’t want to be where he is at instead of the guy that knows where he has been and wants to come home?

But now we don’t get shit! :lol:

[Deputy Nutz]

Adams wanted to be on the West Coast. He has had every option to come back or stay in Green Bay. He turned down the Packers offer and was then traded to Las Vegas. He only went to the Jets to reunite with Rodgers and to get the hell out of Vegas. If Adams works out for the Rams they are going to be a problem, if he shows his age there they wasted their money, some how they feel Adams is a better fit than Kupp.

[run pMc]

Adams has a history of trolling fans in the offseason. He's not the only player. There were lots of rumors he wanted to go back to the West Coast, this signing does not surprise me and in fact makes a lot of sense. He'll be in a good offense with less dysfunction and media chaos. Also McVay is a good coach.

Adams has stayed healthy, Kupp hasn't. That's the difference. Agree the Rams could be a problem. They have to be the offseason favorites for the NFCW.

[Bretsky]

GoucheBag never reached out to Adams to explore the option. What a surprise

[King Friday]

Adams has no interest in being here, otherwise he would’ve stayed when the Packers offered more money years ago. Move on.

[Joemailman]

Once Rams were interested, I don't think anyone else had a chance at Adams. They have everything Adams would be looking for: West coast, great quarterback, chance to win right now.

[Fritz]

Once Rams were interested, I don't think anyone else had a chance at Adams. They have everything Adams would be looking for: West coast, great quarterback, chance to win right now.

So running the West Coast offense wouldn't have been enough?

I'm okay with the Pack not signing Adams again. And you can't blame the guy for wanting to play closer to home, with a great QB. I don't think we are quite sure yet what Love is or will be, whereas Adams knows what he's getting in Stafford. And McVay's a good coach.

[QBME]

Adams has no interest in being here, otherwise he would’ve stayed when the Packers offered more money years ago. Move on.

This

[run pMc]

The Adams contract has a lot of funny money, he'll probably be a FA next year unless LAR redo his deal. He wanted West Coast, he got it. it's a better run team than NYJ or LV.

[Bretsky]

Adams has no interest in being here, otherwise he would’ve stayed when the Packers offered more money years ago. Move on.

Surprised to read something like this. This is what Gouchebag would like you to believe as the company line. Adams wanted to resign with Green Bay one full year before we sent him packing to the Raiders. We didn't foot the money enough. Disappointed, and frustrated they would not go to where Deandre Hopkins was, he was classy enough to play his ass off going into his contract year. Many won't do that. But GB lost Adams at that point. Gouchebag made the phantom offer and leaked it to the press only after all the damage was down. GREAT PR move by a guy who's honestly not that good at PR, but he's sneaky stubborn and cunning IMO.

Adams leaked things several ways he was interested in coming back to GB. Interveiew, Instagram posting the green n gold shoes....etc.

I'm not trying to argue when GB offereed him less money he still wouldn't have went to the Rams.

But dammit GOUCHEBAG, Make the F'cking call.

We grossly overpaid Aaron Banks as an OG.

If the money was near the same, would anybody really rather have Banks than Devante Adams ?

[Bretsky]

Once Rams were interested, I don't think anyone else had a chance at Adams. They have everything Adams would be looking for: West coast, great quarterback, chance to win right now.



Dammit, make the F'kin call. You might be right, MAYBE. Maybe

[run pMc]

I'm fine with them not bringing in Adams. He's still good but he's old and expensive. He also feels like a weird fit given the roster and their needs. He's not a Watson replacement, he's more of a Doubs/Wicks replacement., and if Wicks gets a hand transplant he basically is Adams Jr.
Re: Metcalf, I like him in the Watson role but not for what PIT gave up. Darnell fricking Mooney had nearly identical stats last year with the corpse of Kirk Cousins throwing to him, at 1/3 of the price.

You'd be effectively giving either Adams or Metcalf a third contract, and based on 3rd contracts to Bahk and Kenny Clark I think Gute should just draft a WR or two.

[bobblehead]

Pay the guy that doesn’t want to be where he is at instead of the guy that knows where he has been and wants to come home?

But now we don’t get shit! :lol:

Well....he literally didn't want to be HERE before. I don't believe he has ever publicly said he wants to return. He wants to come back if we offer him the most money (just like every player listens to God and signs where the most money is).

[bobblehead]

GoucheBag never reached out to Adams to explore the option. What a surprise

Did Adams reach out to us? No, he hinted around to increase his potential contract on the west coast. Gutes once tried to make Adams the highest paid WR in the game and Adams balked. Why would Gutes reach out to him now that he is 3 years older?

[bobblehead]

Surprised to read something like this. This is what Gouchebag would like you to believe as the company line. Adams wanted to resign with Green Bay one full year before we sent him packing to the Raiders. We didn't foot the money enough. Disappointed, and frustrated they would not go to where Deandre Hopkins was, he was classy enough to play his ass off going into his contract year. Many won't do that. But GB lost Adams at that point. Gouchebag made the phantom offer and leaked it to the press only after all the damage was down. GREAT PR move by a guy who's honestly not that good at PR, but he's sneaky stubborn and cunning IMO.

Adams leaked things several ways he was interested in coming back to GB. Interveiew, Instagram posting the green n gold shoes....etc.

I'm not trying to argue when GB offereed him less money he still wouldn't have went to the Rams.

But dammit GOUCHEBAG, Make the F'cking call.

We grossly overpaid Aaron Banks as an OG.

If the money was near the same, would anybody really rather have Banks than Devante Adams ?

Me. I'd much rather have an ascending road grader of a guard than an aging drama prone WR who has been unhappy for 3 consecutive years.

[Bretsky]

Me. I'd much rather have an ascending road grader of a guard than an aging drama prone WR who has been unhappy for 3 consecutive years.


I would take Josh Myers for 5 MIL per year over grossly overpaying for an OG most graded out to be in the bottom half of NFL guards. And I didn't even really like Myers that much.

And maybe we don't do that if the DL we really wanted didn't go to the Bears. Who knows.

I also think Adams is FAR from a drama queen. Per the media who covered GB as well as his teammates he was considered to be a positive leader and chemistry guy in the locker room. Gouchebag just didn't want to sign him the year before his contract when he wanted to stay in GB and then brilliantly made some phantom offer the leaked it to the media after Devante was mentally out the door. Great manipulation some fell for.

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[bobblehead]

I would take Josh Myers for 5 MIL per year over grossly overpaying for an OG most graded out to be in the bottom half of NFL guards. And I didn't even really like Myers that much.

And maybe we don't do that if the DL we really wanted didn't go to the Bears. Who knows.

I also think Adams is FAR from a drama queen. Per the media who covered GB as well as his teammates he was considered to be a positive leader and chemistry guy in the locker room. Gouchebag just didn't want to sign him the year before his contract when he wanted to stay in GB and then brilliantly made some phantom offer the leaked it to the media after Devante was mentally out the door. Great manipulation some fell for.

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Not sure who graded Banks bottom half, but I would disagree. As for Adams he demanded a trade from GB, got his destination of choice, then leveraged a trade from there to play with his QB again, then whined into being cut. I don't really want to give him any real money (and now I'll get my way).

[run pMc]

The Myers contract surprised me, I thought after what John Runyan Jr. got last year plus all the crazy money thrown around this year that he'd get more than a $3M offer. That tells me teams think either his injury/recovery is a bigger issue than advertised, or they just don't think he's very good based on his tape. (or both)
When you have that many starts and can't get a multi-year deal, something is off.

The Banks contract feels like a big overpay, maybe personnel guys/insiders think differently. Moving Jenkins and starting Banks raises the floor of the OL overall and certainly seems to commit to running gap/inside zone stuff for Jacobs. It feels like they are leaning into the run game with that contract, and if Banks is even slightly above average at LG that contract won't look awful in 3 years with how contracts (and the cap) are exploding.

Davante's move to LV really backfired after Carr got benched/released, and the trade to NYJ was never going to save their season. Getting cut from the Jets was inevitable with his contract and their post-Rodgers cap mess. Adams probably has another good/decent year in him but Gute isn't going to bring a 32 year old WR in for $20M+, he basically does what Doubs/Wicks does (much better, I'll grant you) at 8 times the cost. Gute would only do that if Rodgers was still here and playing well to lure him back another season lol

[Bretsky]

Not sure who graded Banks bottom half, but I would disagree. As for Adams he demanded a trade from GB, got his destination of choice, then leveraged a trade from there to play with his QB again, then whined into being cut. I don't really want to give him any real money (and now I'll get my way).

Kind of assumed all in hear heard about the grading....I know not completely accurate...but it at least gives an indication of the type of player we're getting. He's OK....but GB grossly overpaid for the production he's shown so far. But he passed about Gouchebeag's only criteria..he's below 30


Of 66 guards who played at least 500 snaps in 2024, Banks was No. 32 in Pro Football Focus’ grades. That was the best mark of his career, especially as a run blocker.

People in the NFL put little stock in PFF’s grades. The data, on the other hand, is invaluable. Banks ranked 36th in pass-block efficiency, which measures sacks, hits and hurries per pass-protecting snap. That was just ahead of right guard Sean Rhyan (39th) and former Packers guard Jon Runyan (40th).

Banks’ $19.25 million average ranks seventh among guards. It’s more than the Packers’ two-time Pro Bowl guard, Elgton Jenkins, who is averaging $17.0 million.

[Joemailman]

Gute doesn't make big free agent signings real often, but when he does his track record is pretty good. Billy Turner, Z Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos, Josh Jacobs, Xavier McKinney. I like Banks' and Hobbs' chances.

[bobblehead]

Kind of assumed all in hear heard about the grading....I know not completely accurate...but it at least gives an indication of the type of player we're getting. He's OK....but GB grossly overpaid for the production he's shown so far. But he passed about Gouchebeag's only criteria..he's below 30


Of 66 guards who played at least 500 snaps in 2024, Banks was No. 32 in Pro Football Focus’ grades. That was the best mark of his career, especially as a run blocker.

People in the NFL put little stock in PFF’s grades. The data, on the other hand, is invaluable. Banks ranked 36th in pass-block efficiency, which measures sacks, hits and hurries per pass-protecting snap. That was just ahead of right guard Sean Rhyan (39th) and former Packers guard Jon Runyan (40th).

Banks’ $19.25 million average ranks seventh among guards. It’s more than the Packers’ two-time Pro Bowl guard, Elgton Jenkins, who is averaging $17.0 million.


Well, he is also one of the biggest guards in the league and a road grader much like Rhyan is. I think when we face 2nd and 2 on a regular basis while he and Rhyan are pancaking DTs you might change you opinion on him.

[call_me_ishmael]

Isn't Banks contract essentially one year if they want? We'll see if he can ball. If not he may be cut right away. I think he's gonna be a good player.

[Fritz]

Well, he is also one of the biggest guards in the league and a road grader much like Rhyan is. I think when we face 2nd and 2 on a regular basis while he and Rhyan are pancaking DTs you might change you opinion on him.

I thought the Green Bay run game was predicated on having mobile offensive linemen? Are they changing to a new philosophy or are these guys both pretty mobile, or do I just not know what the hell they're doing in the first place?

[MadtownPacker]

Not sure who graded Banks bottom half, but I would disagree. As for Adams he demanded a trade from GB, got his destination of choice, then leveraged a trade from there to play with his QB again, then whined into being cut. I don't really want to give him any real money (and now I'll get my way).
I’m sure you pride will fill the trophy case.

Man fuck this thread and Bretsky for causing all this back when Adams was drafted. That’s the start of the dessension if you really think about it.

[Bretsky]

I’m sure you pride will fill the trophy case.

Man fuck this thread and Bretsky for causing all this back when Adams was drafted. That’s the start of the dessension if you really think about it.


But Bretsky gets huge kudos for flipping as I can admit it on the occasional time I am wrong. The Fresno Fraud turned into the Fresno Freak and perhaps all my negativity was the karms he needed to achiever greatness.

But as it stand now, F'CK that stubborn ass GOUCHEBAG for not picking up the dam phone to check on his availability after he clearly gave indications he'd listen.

Sometimes I wonder if the reason Gouchebag and Rodgers could never get along is because they are equally stubborn ass Btches.

Has Gouchebag every publicly admitted he made a mistaken (this was the topic of a Packer radio talk show recently so don't give me the credit for the brilliance of the thought)...ever ?

Or, perhaps most in here thinks he never made one.

[MadtownPacker]

Every season the Packers don’t win the Super Bowl is one he fucked up as far as I’m concerned. Everyone else would get shitcanned for blowing a big project like that.