Jeeee Jaaavooon who ???

[woodbuck27]

SCORING SUMMARY

BRONCOS 17 @ NE Pat's ZERO

13:03 Remaining in the 4th Quarter.

1ST QUARTER
None

2ND QUARTER

FG Jason Elam 23 Yd, 7:25. Drive: 11 plays, 59 yards in 4:38.

TD Javon Walker, 32 Yd pass from Jake Plummer (Jason Elam kick is good), 0:50. Drive: 7 plays, 73 yards in 2:47.

3RD QUARTER
None

4TH QUARTER

TD Javon Walker, 83 Yd pass from Jake Plummer (Jason Elam kick is good), 13:03. Drive: 5 plays, 97 yards in 2:51.

Jeeee Jaaavooon who...

[GBRulz]

2 walker threads in a row..... unbelievable :roll:

[Joemailman]

I guess it's better than Mobb starting Mac Da Great threads. :crazy:

[woodbuck27]

Check this series out to pull "the Pat's" back into the game tonight.

4th Quarter

New England Patriots begin at 13:03

P.Ernster kicks 70 yards from DEN 30 to end zone, Touchback.

1-10-NE 20 (13:03) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to NE 27 for 7 yards.

2-3-NE 27 (12:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to R.Caldwell [E.Ekuban]. PENALTY on NE-R.Caldwell, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at NE 27 - No Play.

2-13-NE 17 (12:38) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Gabriel pushed ob at NE 35 for 18 yards (Da.Williams).

1-10-NE 35 (12:22) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to T.Brown to NE 39 for 4 yards (Da.Williams, D.Veal).

2-6-NE 39 (11:54) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Gabriel to DEN 49 for 12 yards (Da.Williams).

1-10-DEN 49 (11:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.Watson to DEN 41 for 8 yards (P.Chukwurah).

2-2-DEN 41 (10:59) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to DEN 35 for 6 yards (DJ.Williams, I.Gold).

1-10-DEN 35 (10:35) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to K.Faulk to DEN 28 for 7 yards (G.Warren). DEN-P.Chukwurah was injured during the play.

2-3-DEN 28 (10:12) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Gabriel to DEN 22 for 6 yards (Da.Williams).

1-10-DEN 22 (9:50) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to L.Maroney to DEN 8 for 14 yards (Da.Williams). DEN-Da.Williams was injured during the play.

1-8-DEN 8 (9:18) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to D.Gabriel for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Tom Brady = Precision Fine QB.

[woodbuck27]

The Broncos Run "D" is holding Cory Dillion and Lawrence Maroney and Co. to 45 Yards on the ground with 2:36 left in the game.

It's ALL on Tom Brady.

[woodbuck27]

Look at how Brady fires plays:

1-10-NE 20 (3:36) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to D.Gabriel [K.Lang].

2-10-NE 20 (3:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to K.Faulk to NE 22 for 2 yards (I.Gold).

3-8-NE 22 (3:00) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.Watson to NE 30 for 8 yards (K.Lang).

1-10-NE 30 (2:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to D.Gabriel [K.Lang].

2-10-NE 30 (2:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to NE 38 for 8 yards (I.Gold, DJ.Williams) [E.Ekuban].

3-2-NE 38 (2:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to K.Faulk.

4-2-NE38 (2:04) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady up the middle to NE 43 for 5 yards (M.Myers

2 Minute warning !!

1-10-DEN41 (1:53) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to B.Watson.

2-10-DEN41 (1:47) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Gabriel to DEN 29 for 12 yards (N.Ferguson).

1-10-DEN29 (1:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to D.Gabriel.

2-10-DEN29 (1:19) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to B.Watson (DJ.Williams).

3-10-DEN29 (1:13) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Gabriel pushed ob at DEN 20 for 9 yards (I.Gold).

4-1-DEN20 (1:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to T.Brown [P.Chukwurah].

That will do it ! But Brady gives errrr :mrgreen:

[Packnut]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker does'nt catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:

[Partial]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker does'nt catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:

He made his first good game tonight. The other two left a lot to be desired with the 4 fantasy points he netted me and all.

[FavreChild]

Congrats, Javon! Glad to see him staying healthy and playing well.

Broncos D is tough. The Pats and others should get used to it.

[woodbuck27]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker doesn't catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:


Losing Javon Walker no doubt hurt us and we saw why today.

Javon Walker would have drawn the double (3X?) coverage and who would have been wide open?

A fella named Donald Driver.

Now it's DD with the 2X or 3X coverage and the guy open is a good WR but he's a Rookie WR and...

Greg Jennings does NOT = Donald Driver

Imagine this:

#1WR = JW; #2 WR = DD and #3 WR = Greg Jennings = SWEET !!

[FavreChild]

Brett Favre - 340 yds passing

Completions to:

DD
Ferg
Jennings
K Rob
Hendu
Green
Herron
Lee
Franks

More???

The passing game is truly the least of our worries. Javon can enjoy success elsewhere while we also succeed; it's not an "either/or" proposition.

[cpk1994]

Kind of hard for The Pack to be missing Javon today seeing as how THEY WON THE GAME! Not to mention the fact that despite the coverage DD STILL had a productive game.

[MadtownPacker]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker does'nt catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:Why any Packer fan would be bragging up anothers team's player, much less one who is a traitor to the Packers is just whacked, but eat crow? Thats just a weak ass comment.

FYI - Jennings has as many TDs as walker.

[cpk1994]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker doesn't catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:


Losing Javon Walker no doubt hurt us and we saw why today.

Javon Walker would have drawn the double (3X?) coverage and who would have been wide open?

A fella named Donald Driver.

Now it's DD with the 2X or 3X coverage and the guy open is a good WR but he's a Rookie WR and...

Greg Jennings does NOT = Donald Driver

Imagine this:

#1WR = JW; #2 WR = DD and #3 WR = Greg Jennings = SWEET !!
You are aware that if Javon hadn't been diusgruntled the Pack probably don't draft Jennings. I don't imagine it because it DIDN't happen and WASN't going to happen.

[prsnfoto]

I believeI was the one predicting that Walker would have a very good year and I caught a ton of flak for it. He indeed is on his way even with a bad QB. Gonna be a lot of crow eating when I re-visit this subject in 8 or 9 weeks. Let's see, who was it that said Walker was a one year wonder???????

Who was it arguing with me last week about how Walker does'nt catch td passes??????????????
:crazy:

He made his first good game tonight. The other two left a lot to be desired with the 4 fantasy points he netted me and all.

Exactly if he continues this trend as is true right now both Jennings has and Driver totally has better numbers than asshat so if that continues how is it that Javon is going to be missed? Oh I see what Packnut and Woodbuck mean his asshole egotistical primadonna lockerroom presence will be missed. :crazy:

[Harlan Huckleby]

that Javon is going to be missed? Oh I see what Packnut and Woodbuck mean his asshole egotistical primadonna lockerroom presence will be missed. :crazy:

Walker was a fan favorite, and had a reputation for his work ethic in years prior to his contract dispute. He was emerging as the franchise's best player. Saying he was an asshole is just sour grapes.

[MadtownPacker]

Walker was a fan favorite, and had a reputation for his work ethic in years prior to his contract dispute. He was emerging as the franchise's best player. Saying he was an asshole is just sour grapes.He is also had a reputation as ball dropper but didnt see him giving back any scratch.

Why cant people call him an asshole? Cuz Princess Harlan thinks its sour grapes? SCREW THAT, YOU ASSHOLE!!!

The Packers and their fans are like a gang, either with us or against us. Where do you stand you lowly, bronco sympathizer?

[MasonCrosby]

walker = green bay's version of TO

once he started crying about his contract, then got injured and still had the nerve in the offseason to continue making a fuss i didn't like him...

EDIT: saying how much he and his dad didn't like favre, the quaterback that really did help him show what he could do really made me angry....

[ahaha]

I think Walker is going to be a monster for the Broncos. I've watched two of their games and it seems like they still look to Smith way more than Walker. I think Plummer doesn't see Walker that wide open too much. But, I think he's starting to gain confidence in him and the skills that made him such a good receiver with the Packers. Javon has excellent ball skills. He has a knack for coming down with the contested ball. He showed in Sunday night's game that he doesn't have to be wide open to come down with a big catch. Both of those touchdown catches initially seemed like there was good coverage, but both ended up as big play touchdowns. As Plummer gains more and more confidence in Walker to bail him out his numbers will go up.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.nagia.org/IMAGES/east_c2.jpg

Mad's ideal Packer fans.

[GrnBay007]

http://www.nagia.org/IMAGES/east_c2.jpg

Mad's ideal Packer fans.


You obviously don't know what those hand signs mean!! :razz:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Does it have something to do with stealing mopeds? If they're friends of Madtown, I'm sure they back the pack, that's all that really matters.

[Scott Campbell]

Walker was a fan favorite, and had a reputation for his work ethic in years prior to his contract dispute. He was emerging as the franchise's best player. Saying he was an asshole is just sour grapes.


Can't we say he was an asshole for his comments about deserving a Purple Heart? There doesn't need to be any sour grapes involved to realize that Javon is an asshole.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Last summer, Marty Shottenheimer got into trouble for saying "Philip Rivers will be tested when the bullets start flying." This remark was labeled an insult to the soldiers in Iraq.

Javon Walker made some comment about deserving a "purple heart" for playing injured, or some stupid thing like that.

Shottenheimer doesn't really believe a football game requires the same courage as going to war. Walker doesn't really think a football injury is comparable to a purple heart-honored war wound. They are using colorful language.

Maybe people should avoid these expressions out of sensitivity to the troups. Fine. But acting like these verbal misteps are some terrible crime is the height of political correctness. And hating on Javon over this is just a rationalization for an existing hatred.

[MadtownPacker]

Actually my lil, blue idiot, walker used the word "soldiers" when talking about his need for more $$$. Saying "when bullets fly" is hardly the same.

[Harlan Huckleby]

OK, here is Javon's exact comment:

"Anybody can say, 'OK, he had a great year, let's see if he can do it again.'
That's like trying to tell a person to go to war in Iraq, but let me see if you can go to war again and come back and then we'll give you a Medal of Honor. You can't send a soldier out to a battle field twice for him to be consistent."

Big fucking deal. Perhaps it was an insensitive and poor analogy, but he certainly wasn't denegrating soldiers. If you want to hate him for this, that's your problem.

[MadtownPacker]

DO you not get it? Do I need to write it in Spanish so you can understand?

People hate him cuz he turned his back on the Packers. He left to denver without any change in pay. He left cuz he hated the Packers.

Thats more then enough reason to dislike him. The other stuff is just proof of what a idiot he is. Kinda like how you defend him when you are suppose to be a Packer backer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree with Mad. It has nothing to do with the soldier comment. It has all to do with him going Mike McKenzie. I love to root for the guys on the team, but above all else, I'm a Packer fan. You shit on the Packers and I have no place in my heart to root for you. I root for all non-Packers (Brunell, Hasselbeck, Gado, even Aaron Brooks)--except those that were malcontents or those that go to the Bears or Vikings.

[MJZiggy]

Nicely said Harvey. Walker could have finished his contract and asked for an extension, but no, he wanted it redone, tried to hold out and showed up at camp when he got called out and then kept wanting it redone, but turned around and took an EXTENSION not a redo to get out of town. I'm always pleased to see ex-Packers do well (unless they're playing against us at the time) but not the ones who disrespect my team.

[Zool]

I think its extremely denegrating to soldiers to compare playing a sport to war. Its an age old analogy, but that doest make it right.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nicely said Harvey. Walker could have finished his contract and asked for an extension, but no, he wanted it redone, tried to hold out

Driver went down the same path, the difference was that Thompson renegoitated privately and pre-empted a public conflict.

Javon had a falling-out with the Packer organization and left. I understand Mad & Harvey took sides against him out of loyalty to the Packers. People normally take sides in a divorce.

And yes - the soldier business has little to do with it. I didn't bring-up that old sour moment.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think its extremely denegrating to soldiers to compare playing a sport to war. Its an age old analogy, but that doest make it right.

old George Carlin bit:

Baseball is a 19th century pastoral game.
Football is a 20th century new world order paramilitary power struggle.

Baseball is played in a park...the baseball park.
Football is played in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

The baseball field is...a diamond.
The football field is a gridiron.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything is dying.

In football, you wear a helmet.
In baseball, you wear a cap!

Football is concerned with downs. What down is it? Oh, it's the last down.
Baseball is concerned with ups. Who's up? Are you up? He's up! I'm up!!

In football, you get a penalty.
In baseball, you make an error...oops!

In football, the specialist comes on to kick something.
In baseball, the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has tackling, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting, sacking, and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has . . . the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather--rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog, major catastrophe, can't see, don't know if there's a game going on, mud on the field, can't read the uniforms, can't read the yard markers--doesn't matter, the struggle will continue.
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play. I can't go out, it's raining out!!

Baseball has the s e v e n t h i n n i n g s t r e t c h .
Football has the twominutewarning.

And, of course, the objectives of the games are also completely different.


In football, the object is for the quarterback, sometimes called the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which may consist of power plays designed to punch holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball, the object is to get home . . . safe.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Driver went down the same path, the difference was that Thompson renegoitated privately and pre-empted a public conflict.

We have no idea if Driver went down the same path as Walker. He never made it public, for one. We can't assume he would have been a "problem child" because Walker was. Plus, Driver has had many good seasons. Walker had 1 after two average ones and had a couple of years left on his deal. If he had waited a year and had another good season, I would have been on his side.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.

[MadtownPacker]

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.But he didnt, then walker tore his ACL, then he really started crying.

Would you have called TT a fool then?

DD was healthy, a proven WR, a true team player, and had put in work. He deserves every damn penny and more. He aint a trust fund baby like you.

[mission]

seriously... why do we hate javon walker?

we dont need a reason. it's pretty simple.

he's not a packer, could have been, could have helped us, but personified the new school wide receiver reputation to a T and that's not a "guy" that ive ever had any respect for.

mckenzie getting burned, lost in coverage and looking like a gimp. great. walker shitting the bed or forever being a B+ receiver who underachieved. neato. if im wrong then... well, fuck him anyway.

i love sports because i dont need reasons to say "fuck so and so". it's juvenile and doesnt increase my perceived intelligence but hey, even being on this board allows me to not really give a shit. it's a world where my image and public perception doesn't affect me at all.

all bets are off and i dig it. i dont re-read my posts to check for grammEr like i would if i was writing a proposal for one of my clients and i sure as hell dont need to justify why i hate a person that ive never met.

it's fun and games buddy. :mrgreen:

[Packnut]

I wish Thompson had renegotiated Walker's deal before all the trouble started. Admittedly, it may not have been possible for Walker & Thompson to reach agreement.But he didnt, then walker tore his ACL, then he really started crying.

Would you have called TT a fool then?

DD was healthy, a proven WR, a true team player, and had put in work. He deserves every damn penny and more. He aint a trust fund baby like you.

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

[mission]

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

all very good points and im not a fan of the money spent on manuel and woodson but i think the key is that walker had no interest in even being in green bay. at all. maybe someone can prove this wrong but i just remember it was more about the city and organizational direction (this is where TT can take some blame) than it was money.

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.

LOL

[MadtownPacker]

I called TT a fool then and I was right. Walker recovered from his knee and is on his way back to being a blue chip WR. You keep letting your childish feelings get in the way of seeing that Walker has tons of talent. The fact that he wanted a better contract does not diminish his skill as much as you want it to.

He made the best move for HIMSELF just as you or any one of us would do. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? He would have taken a HUGE risk to play this season without a new contract. If he re-injured his knee his career might have been over with NOTHING to show for it. This way he got a signing bonus which was a sure thing no matter how his health turned out.

Yes, he could have made more money had he played this season for us and did'nt get hurt again but that was the risk. He opted for short term security.

Well, I guess in your world, it's ok for TT to pay a clown like Manuel all that cash but paying Walker would have been crazy.Childish feelings? Now youre just talking stupid.

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him. You seem to ignore that he didnt want to be a Packer and now that PACKER fans bash him for that you THINK its wrong?

From what I have read the contract the broncos gave walker offered little to no security if his knee or anything else screwed up. Never read much about a signing bonus so why dont you tell us how much it was? He has to make it through this season or they can cut him and he is assed out. What do you have to say about that??

As for signing manuel, well again you speak out your ass cuz i didnt like the signing or the woodson signing. My preference would have been that walker played good for the first half of 2006 and that TT showed him the $$$. But walker prefered to get out and that is MY problem with him. First and foremost I am a Packer fan before being a WR groupie.

Maybe you should know everything people think before you run your mouth?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Amen, amigo!

[GBRulz]

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

250k if you include the burbs :wink:

While not all players like the small city, I don't think that was one of the main reasons for Javon wanting out. He was actually very involved with alot of community events and was a major spokesperson for a few places, too. I know he took a big interest in things going on with the Brewers as well, since he used to play baseball himself.

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

[HarveyWallbangers]

walker is a flashy player who talks a lot and went to fsu... green bay wisconsin at 100,000 people doesnt seem like a place where a guy like that would be very happy. off the field especially.

250k if you include the burbs :wink:

While not all players like the small city, I don't think that was one of the main reasons for Javon wanting out. He was actually very involved with alot of community events and was a major spokesperson for a few places, too. I know he took a big interest in things going on with the Brewers as well, since he used to play baseball himself.

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

Yeah, Javon is from some podunk town in Louisiana or Mississippi. Tallahassee, Florida (home of Florida State) is a town on the Florida panhandle that is about the same size as Green Bay or Omaha. They get a lot of country bumpkins there. LeRoy Butler didn't seem to have a problem adjusting from Tallahassee to Green Bay.

The thing with Javon is he isn't very bright. I think he had a lot of people (family, friends) telling him he should make more. I'm pretty sure it was all about the dollar signs. Denver isn't a real exciting town either, but I'm sure he's happy there after getting his extension.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him.

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

[MasonCrosby]

I was a HUGE fan of walker when he was drafted. Even after all the holdout talk I was still a HUGE fan. After he tore his ACL I was still a HUGE fan. When he said he would NEVER play for the Pack again is when I said to hell with him.

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

but driver has been a steady #2 for years now and been quiet and never complained about his role, unlike walker who had one great year, then whined, blew out his knee, whined some more and got traded...

walker would certainly be great but after him and his dad calling out favre i had no respect for him...

[woodbuck27]

Does it have something to do with stealing mopeds? If they're friends of Madtown, I'm sure they back the pack, that's all that really matters.

Harlan my friend !! NO !!

[mission]

Besides, it's not like you can get a tan in Denver during the winter, either.

Something tells me Javon Walker isn't too concerned about getting a tan... :lol:

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not much interested in what packer fans think of Javon Walker. The reactions are predictable.

Once the contract dispute went public, it was all over but the shoutin.

The interesting question to me is, "Could the situation have been dealt with privately, before the shit hit the fan, in a way that would have worked out better for the Packers?"

I don't hear any regrets about Thompson's behind-the-scenes renegotiation with Driver that gave Donald a $10M raise on a contract that had 2-years remaining. Walker is a younger, extremely talented player that would have fit-in with the rebuilding plan.

When news came out that Driver was unhappy with his contract, a overwhelming majority on here said that he should get paid. Part of it was that he did it in the right way. Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

[Harlan Huckleby]

but driver has been a steady #2 for years now and been quiet and never complained about his role, unlike walker who had one great year, then whined, blew out his knee, whined some more and got traded...

Javon was a model player prior to the contract dispute. If a contract was renegotiated, it would have pre-empted the "whined" phase, so that time period has nothing to do with it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When news came out that Driver was unhappy with his contract, a overwhelming majority on here said that he should get paid. Part of it was that he did it in the right way. Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

As far as we know, Walker went about it "the right way" too. He went to Thompson to discuss his contract. Thompson said "no renegotiation." That is what Driver did, he just got a different answer. You may theorize that Driver would have meekly played-out his career under a puny contract if he got a "no renegotiation" response, but I doubt it, and we can't say.


Part of it was that he's been a good player for many years--not just 1 or 1 1/2 years.

Fair enough. If you don't think Walker was worth a raise, then Thompson's approach makes sense.
I think Thompson's stance was disasterous, players like Walker don't grow on trees.

[pbmax]

I am of two minds on Javon vs. Donald.

You should NEVER pay for what the player has already done. Drvier must play well for several seasons for that extension to make sense.

But Driver was a fully known commodity and on his third or fourth contract.

Walker hadn't finished his first. He had one breakout year and a nice finish to the previous.

That said, his best football was ahead of him, certainly prior to injury.

But he wasn't done with his first contract. No one remembers to include the signing bonus when talking about his "salary".

And no one asked him to pay back the first 2 1/2 years salary and bonus when he stunk.

An extenion to Walker makes sense, but ONLY if we know what he was asking for.

[woodbuck27]

[quote="FavreChild"]Brett Favre - 340 yds passing

Completions to:

DD
Ferg
Jennings
K Rob
Hendu
Green
Herron
Lee
Franks

More???

This is the correct " IT"s A NOW.... THE WAY IT IS POSITION ".

Backing up. Javon Walker felt that his Rookie Contract was outplayed, as a result of his performance in 2004 and a resultant PRO BOWL Selection to back himself up.

His position was strong " in himself ", and he got support fr. all those NFL fans... that felt he had " in fact " outplayed his Contract and therefore deserved more.

The other argument that came to the forefront.

Why work for a team that isn't recognizing your status and development as a first round pick, when you delivered on that promise. Javon received a Pro Bowl selection in 2004 based on excellent numbers.

In 2004 he dressed for all 16 games with 12 starts. He had 89 receptions for 1382 Yards a 15.5 yard Avg. and a long of 79 yards. That was good for 12 TD's. 19 receptions for +20 yards and 7 receptions for + 40 yards and 63 of those receptions or 71% of them went for a 1st down.

Everybody :mrgreen: then !!!

Javon played the " I have proven to YOU that I'm one of the TOP WR's in the NFL so pay me ", card.

As I recall his Rookie Contract was through the 2007 Season?

Isn't it reasonable that if TT wasn't going to afford LG Miike Wahle, and that he tried to reduce S Darren Sharper's Income by $4 Million for the 2005 season... that Javon wasn't going to get special consideration?

Wasn't it OUR position that as Javon was under Contract... that holding the Team hostage over his services in liew of his demands being met, wasn't an option?

TT and Yes to Walker and more $ was a NO for start of 2005 !

BANG !! Javon Walker goes out for the season in game 1.

The worst case scenario for us... that really pushed on the JW will never play again for us.

Reports from Walker define the situation as one where TT ignored him and I have to believe that state of ignoring Javon Walker (and a possibe re-negotiation) despite the adversity he came down with in game one of 2005 season .. was a reality.

See it fits Ted's agenda. Strengthen or weaken the Packers?

With the exception of the contract Extention that DD received fr. TT and his hand was pretty well forced in that direction. Given DD's performance last season, his Vet Status and the fact he is OUR #1 WR and settting aside 'the fact" he'd be gone if TT ignored his request for more $...DD got what we (the fans) desired for him. More $ and an extention.

A Pro Bowl selection in 2004 backed Javon's desire for a new Contract up. Javon felt that he delivered his end of the bargain based on his obvious performance and in his talent and (EGO) he wanted to be compensated in accordance with the proven weapon he was.

TT had no plan to sign JW this season. He wanted to trade Javon Walker for "his Baby" the Draft. To TT Javon was yesterdays wash water.Actuall he had no choice as JW was done with him and we still hear this..done with Brett Favre.

I'm not buying into that " JW hated Favre" baloney. Favre merely made a Packer leadership Stance.

TT's decision to let go of JW was right for his needs. JW clearly stated he'n never play again for the Packers. Was that due to Favre or "the fact" that TT kept JW nowhere?

Who knows in Green Bay the past two Seasons under Ted Thompson?

In this post I'm not ripping a new one for Ted Thompson.

TT had to trade JW !! [b]Flat out... a fact of life.

Did he get enough in return after the trade of Walker to Denver?

That can't be properly assessed at this time... can it? We have too many developing players, as a result of moves Ted Thompson made in OUR Draft utilizing the high 2nd Rd. Draft pick secured for the trade of JW to "the Broncos".

My position is to let go of this we'd be better off with JW. Yes we would. On "O" for certain that's the case. That wasn't going to happen with his wanting attitude that got him to "I want the HELL out of Green Bay".

Let's assess that trade of JW in three years.

It's a time thing.Somefow we