Official Packers/Rams Game Thread

[muzz]

Go Jennings!!

[BallHawk]

god, I hope that missed FG doesn't come back to bite us in the ass

It most probably will. :sad:

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay Packers begin at 9:25

J.Wilkins kicks 52 yards from SL 30 to GB 18. K.Robinson to GB 36 for 18 yards (T.Hargrove).

1-10-GB 36 (9:20) B.Favre pass short middle to N.Herron to GB 42 for 6 yards (C.Chavous, P.Tinoisamoa).

2-4-GB 42 (8:41) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short left to G.Jennings to GB 44 for 2 yards (P.Tinoisamoa).

3-2-GB 44 (7:59) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short left to N.Herron to GB 49 for 5 yards (C.Chavous).

1-10-GB 49 (7:26) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to D.Driver to SL 46 for 5 yards (T.Hill).

2-5-STL 46 (6:48) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass deep right to G.Jennings for 46 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

There we go !

SCORE now :

RAMS 23 - PACKERS 20

[BallHawk]

god, I hope that missed FG doesn't come back to bite us in the ass

It most probably will. :sad:

[retailguy]

another penalty. this is good.

[pbmax]

Maybe it wasn't just Martz and their O just likes penalties?

[The Leaper]

Heart...MAKE A PLAY.

[4and12to12and4]

momentum swing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 lets go get it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DannoMac21]

PLAY SOME FUCKING DEFENSE! NO MORE OF THIS BULLSHIT RED ZONE D. Nick Collins hurt excellent.

[pbmax]

Not that play.

[woodbuck27]

That was TD pass NO. 203 !

Favre's 7th of 2006. :mrgreen:

Now lets get this "W".

[BENZITO]

lions just blew another game...LOL

[The Leaper]

Collins is incapable of covering one-on-one.

[pbmax]

That was TD pass NO. 203 !

Favre's 7th of 2006. :mrgreen:

Now lets get this "W".
Wasn't it 403?

[retailguy]

That was TD pass NO. 203 !

Favre's 7th of 2006. :mrgreen:

Now lets get this "W".


Woody.... that's 403...

[Tarlam!]

Question: Gameday is showing us with 3 TOLs. What does the TV say??

[DannoMac21]

Nice job Marquand injury your own boy.

[GBRulz]

That was TD pass NO. 203 !

Favre's 7th of 2006. :mrgreen:

Now lets get this "W".

403, my friend!!

[retailguy]

Nice job Marquand injury your own boy.


Man Danno. Your wife beat you today or something? :shock: :mrgreen:

[The Leaper]

So WHO is impressed with this defense?

[pbmax]

Unbelievable. Maybe confusion over Collinss missing?

[The Leaper]

Some coaching heads need to roll.

[4and12to12and4]

Wow, well, there goes the momentum!! Now we need a friggin turnover.

[retailguy]

So WHO is impressed with this defense?


I still am. They're playing better. We aren't looking at the super bowl this year leaper. We're looking for IMPROVEMENT, and overall, we're seeing it....

[DannoMac21]

Nice job Marquand injury your own boy.


Man Danno. Your wife beat you today or something? :shock: :mrgreen:

I'm 16.

This is just frustrating as hell. We have great defensive players but at the same time we're just horrible. Baffles me.

[The Leaper]

Playing better? Than what?

The defense looks miserable.

[DannoMac21]

WOODSON BABY!!!

[retailguy]

I'm 16.

This is just frustrating as hell. We have great defensive players but at the same time we're just horrible. Baffles me.

You need to watch some tape of the 70's.... This is pretty good football comparatively.


Good play by Woodson!

[GBRulz]

good stop, now let's go get some points

[woodbuck27]

DET 17 1:31 4th MIN• 26

TEN 13 2:00 4th IND• 14

The Vikings and Colts both making comebacks.

Surprise here.

The BUCS on top of the Saints.

TB - 21 4:52 4th NO - 17

[The Leaper]

Dumb play call...but Woodson and Collins did well.

[DannoMac21]

Wow. Nervewracking as hell here. How about an early birthday gift Favre.

[J-Rok]

What happened? Gamecenter's sluggish.

[pbmax]

80 yards, 4 minutes, 2 timouts and half a pack of cigarettes

[retailguy]

Playing better? Than what?

The defense looks miserable.


How about the Chicago game? How about the Philadelphia game? This looks similar to the meltdowns in the New Orleans game. But still better than it has been.

Good to see Collins Back out there...

[BENZITO]

What happened? Gamecenter's sluggish.

basically useless

[4and12to12and4]

Nice job Marquand injury your own boy.


Man Danno. Your wife beat you today or something? :shock: :mrgreen:

I'm 16.

This is just frustrating as hell. We have great defensive players but at the same time we're just horrible. Baffles me.

Get used to this for a year or two, we are the youngest team in the league. To even be in these games is a plus. Just try to enjoy watching all these guys develop. Look at how much better the young offensive line seems to be already compared to preseason. Things will get better.

[pbmax]

Faked run right, pitched left, Woodson, ZCollinsa and KGB sniffed it out.

[GBRulz]

Dumb play call...but Woodson and Collins did well.

Hey it worked, didn't it?

[retailguy]

What happened? Gamecenter's sluggish.


3rd down stop by woodson. punt for touchback.

[DannoMac21]

Horrible throw by Favre. Unbelievable.

[The Leaper]

ANother poor Favre throw. Man...that really hurts.

[pbmax]

Horrible. Bad idea to screen behind Moll? He was on the gorund on 1st down

[BallHawk]

Reggie Bush just scored on a 65 yard PR.

[GBRulz]

the D better get a 3 and out or it's all over

[DannoMac21]

HELLO NICK COLLINS!

[pbmax]

Nice pass coverage by Collins

[SD GB fan]

we did they run 3 pass plays?

[woodbuck27]

D.Rayner kicks 73 yards from GB 30 to SL -3. J.Reed to SL 20 for 23 yards (J.Bush, J.Hunter).

St. Louis Rams at 06:42

1-10-STL20 (6:42) PENALTY on SL-A.Barron, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SL 20 - No Play.

1-15-STL15 (6:36) M.Bulger pass deep middle to S.McDonald to SL 36 for 21 yards (M.Manuel, N.Collins). GB-N.Collins was injured during the play. His return is Probable.

1-10-STL36 (6:07) M.Bulger pass short right to S.Jackson pushed ob at GB 47 for 17 yards (T.Culver). Penalty on GB, Defensive 12 On-field, declined.

1-10-GB47 (5:38) S.Davis right guard to GB 47 for no gain (B.Poppinga, A.Kampman).

2-10-GB47 (4:59) (Shotgun) M.Bulger pass short right to K.Curtis to GB 39 for 8 yards (N.Barnett).

3-2-GB39 (4:18) S.Jackson left end pushed ob at GB 41 for -2 yards (C.Woodson).

4-4-GB41 (4:11) M.Turk punts 41 yards to end zone, Center-C.Massey, Touchback.

Good wrok Packers "D".

[Fosco33]

Reggie Bush just scored on a 65 yard PR.

I just saw the replay - great block on the return. I need NO to win by 7.

Indy looks like it'll squeak out a win - big for me on points in our pick 'em.

[The Leaper]

Great play Collins!

Surprised at the pass.

[DannoMac21]

Decides the game here.

[DannoMac21]

Huge play by Woodson...again.

[retailguy]

we did they run 3 pass plays?

2.... first down was running play.

4th down and a PUNT.

[woodbuck27]

The next series is BIG.

[BENZITO]

Please offense show yourself again

[Fosco33]

Consecutive big plays on D. 3rd missed INT today :sad:

We can do it - let's get a TD and end this game!

[pbmax]

Bad play calling for Rams.

[The Leaper]

OK...NO F-ING SCREENS.

Let's run crossing patterns. Let's run some rubs. Let's run some stop and gos.

[SD GB fan]

we did they run 3 pass plays?

2.... first down was running play.

4th down and a PUNT.

oh..gamecenter is pretty inaccurate then

[DannoMac21]

YES! INTERFERENCE BABY!

[4and12to12and4]

If we lose this game, I don't want anyone here blaming our defense. They have have SO MANY stops. We need to score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Good job D Martin, draws a flag

[retailguy]

pass interference! wooo hooo...

[Fosco33]

Penalties have been huge today!

[pbmax]

Why go deep there? Safety help

[The Leaper]

Favre needs to RELAX!

2nd and 10

[retailguy]

Patience Brett! Patience.... wow.

[4and12to12and4]

yeah, dont we still have two timeouts

[The Leaper]

3rd and 4...rams 48

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay Packers at 04:03


1-10-GB20 (4:03) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to N.Herron to GB 20 for no gain (C.Wroten).

2-10-GB20 (3:29) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete deep left to K.Robinson.

3-10-GB20 (3:24) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete short right to G.Jennings.

4-10-GB20 (3:19) J.Ryan punts 53 yards to SL 27, Center-R.Davis. D.Looker to SL 36 for 9 yards (B.Poppinga

Darn !

Just about 3 min's remain in game.

[DannoMac21]

Herron...here we go!

[pbmax]

Herron needed to get upfield, he doesn't have get to corner speed

[retailguy]

yeah, dont we still have two timeouts


ONE

[retailguy]

yeah, dont we still have two timeouts


ONE

[The Leaper]

wow...good spot, but 1st and 10 at rams 44

[pbmax]

Great spot, good work by crew there. :lol:

[DannoMac21]

I can honestly say that right now, my arm is shaking. This is absolutely huge. Come on Favre.

[BENZITO]

how much time left? gamecaster=garbage

[Fosco33]

The refs, in general, have played too big a factor in terms of % in the overall winner of this game.

[GBRulz]

damn, games like this keeps my trips to the salon to cover the gray on a regular basis !!

[4and12to12and4]

wow, this would be such a huge game to come back and win for Favre. cmon, football gods, look down upon him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

Keep TO so we can still run then throw into end zone.

Dave Reyner era is awaiting?!

[retailguy]

how much time left? gamecaster=garbage

1:58 two minute warning timeout right now.

[falco]

:beat:

[The Leaper]

1:56...1st and 10...rams 44

[DannoMac21]

Jennings had that. Wow.

[GBRulz]

damnit.....Jennings drop

[pbmax]

Oh that hurt, he was open and pass dead on

[The Leaper]

ARGH!!! Jennings drop. 2nd and 10.

[Fosco33]

ouch

[The Leaper]

driver for 7 on 2nd down.

[woodbuck27]

St. Louis Rams at 03:10

1-10-STL 36 (3:10) S.Jackson right tackle to SL 39 for 3 yards (N.Barnett, B.Poppinga).

2-7-STL 39 (3:02) M.Bulger pass incomplete short left to S.McDonald (N.Collins).

3-7-STL 39 (2:59) (Shotgun) M.Bulger pass incomplete short middle to I.Bruce (C.Woodson).

4-7-STL 39 (2:55) M.Turk punts 40 yards to GB 21, Center-C.Massey, out of bounds.

RAMS 23 - PACKERS 20.

[GBRulz]

3rd and 2, we NEED this

[DannoMac21]

Huge play right here.

[DannoMac21]

KOREN BABY!!

[retailguy]

great play.... wow.

[The Leaper]

first down...1:08 left

[The Leaper]

be smart brett

[DannoMac21]

That a boy Herron!

[CyclonePackFan]

WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING???

[BENZITO]

wheres the ball??

[retailguy]

herron .... inside the 20... packer timeout.


1:00 left

[pbmax]

Why the TO there! Throw into endzone

[The Leaper]

1:00 left...last timeout taken

2nd and 2 at the 20.

[Fosco33]

Herron > 100 yards.

Favre >200 yards and a TD

One min remaining, no timeouts, down by 3 on the 18 - 2nd and short.

OOOhhhh, this is big.

[BENZITO]

come on boys...lets go

[The Leaper]

first down...at the 12

[GBRulz]

why did we use that TO?

[SD GB fan]

they going to throw it in the endzone on playaction

[woodbuck27]

NFL.COM Game Center is not behaving. :mrgreen:

[DannoMac21]

Heart's beating very fast...

[pbmax]

Great pass and nice stopping clock who had the catch?

[The Leaper]

spike...44 sec

2nd 10 at the 12

[GBRulz]

ok both throws should be into the endzone

[Fosco33]

1st down catch by Jennings - 0:44 left second down and 10 on the 12.

[rdanomly]

Heart's beating very fast...

racing...

[DannoMac21]

Are you kidding me? Are you absolutely kidding me?

[GBRulz]

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

[Fosco33]

Game over

[pbmax]

Unbelievable

[The Leaper]

you are so kidding me

[retailguy]

oh hell.


fumble game is over...

[pbmax]

tAUSCHER'S Guy got his mitt on it.

[BENZITO]

what???

[GBRulz]

god, this one hurts.

[4and12to12and4]

I betcha he wishes he retired right about now. This is going to be a long year for our hero.

[The Leaper]

fumble on pressure up the gut.

colledge almost recovered, but the ball squirted away.

[GBRulz]

and Tausher should have grabbed that damn ball, he was right on top of it

[retailguy]

god, this one hurts.


Wow. That is simply awful.

Can't believe it. Colledge had a chance to recover it and missed it.

[Fosco33]

This season is basically over. 1-4 w/ MIN and CHI looking good...

This blows.

[DannoMac21]

This team is the biggest fucking disappointment. My God. Absolutely pathetic.

[GBRulz]

god, this one hurts.


Wow. That is simply awful.

Can't believe it. Colledge had a chance to recover it and missed it.

Oh, was it Colledge, I thought it was Taush. my bad

[Tarlam!]

Night all. I wish I could say it's been fun!

[4and12to12and4]

youch, what a shitty ending to an exciting game. bretts gonna have nightmares about that one.

[BallHawk]

What the fuck happened?

[4and12to12and4]

This team is the biggest fucking disappointment. My God. Absolutely pathetic.

Chill out, you are only dissappointed if you had too high of expectations in the first place.

[The Leaper]

At least we might have a chance at Troy Smith. :D

[GBRulz]

biggest disappointment? Well, it's not like we were on our way to the SB this year

[Harlan Huckleby]

This team is the biggest fucking disappointment. My God. Absolutely pathetic.

Packers played a solid game, just didn't bounce their way in the end.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, good day all, tomorrow is a new day, at least we didn't get our asses handed to us like we did in the second half. Or, hey, at least we're not the Buffalo Bills today :roll: Talk at you all later. Go Pack.

[OS PA]

Can we win one damn game when we're playing well?

[MJZiggy]

Herron had 106 yards rushing and Jennings had 105 receiving.

[GBRulz]

That loss hurts even more going into the bye week.

What difference going in at 2-3 and some momentum would be instead of 1-4 and that heartbreaking loss hanging over their heads

[Harlan Huckleby]

Herron had 106 yards rushing and Jennings had 105 receiving.

Jennings buys Herron dinner tonight.

[BallHawk]

speechless.

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay Packers begin at 2:46

This is it !

1-10-GB 46 (2:41) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete deep right to K.Robinson.

2-10-GB 46 (2:35) (Shotgun) N.Herron left end to SL 48 for 6 yards (J.Butler, W.Witherspoon).

3-4-STL 48 (2:01) B.Favre pass short right to D.Martin to SL 44 for 4 yards (C.Chavous).

Game Center tied up, sorry.

but Final score:

RAMS 32 - Packers 20.

[BallHawk]

Who's fault was the fumble?

[Harlan Huckleby]

What difference going in at 2-3 and some momentum would be instead of 1-4 and that heartbreaking loss hanging over their heads

The offensive line really came into its own. Opening holes big enough for Noah Herron to run through for 8 yards.

I see progress. The secondary was in trouble, tho.

[retailguy]

Game Center tied up, sorry.

but Final score:

RAMS 32 - Packers 20.


Errr.. Woody? that's 23 - 20... you feelin dyslexic today? :mrgreen:

[MJZiggy]

Uh, Buck, the score was 23 to 20. Let's not make it worse than it was.

[retailguy]

Who's fault was the fumble?


Favre. Tauschers man got his hand on it and stripped it. Colledge had a chance to fall on it, but missed.

[GBRulz]

lol yeah, first he shorts Brett of 200 TD's !

[retailguy]

lol yeah, first he shorts Brett of 200 TD's !


woody is having a bad day.

[MJZiggy]

Who's fault was the fumble?It just got knocked out as he was dropping back--which brings up the question, why was he dropping back out of the shotgun?

[Fosco33]

Who's fault was the fumble?

Little (Taush) got lucky coming around the corner and knocked it out of Favre's hand (as he went back to throw) - he then got jacked by the DT. Colledge missed the recovery but ultimately it was a fluke play at a horrible time.

We lost the turnover battle - simple as that. 3 missed INTs and two key fumbles lost this game.

[Brando19]

This years team SUCKS

[red]

the lack of urgency that this team shows at the end of halfs and games just blows my god damn mind. when theres under 3 minutes left you don't piss around and let 30-40 seconds run off the clock after each play. you just put yourself into a situation where you have to panic with under a minute left, and we're too f'ing stupid to be able to perform well under that kind of pressure. i absolutely hated brett spiking the ball inside the 10 with 45 seconds left to go. they should have a play already to go and take a quick shot to the endzone. you waste no more then a couple extra seconds and might cause the d to make a mistake. instead we completely wasted a down, only to stick our heads up our asses on the next play

if its not one thing its another with our secondary. this week they had pretty decent coverage, but woodson and harris both dropped huge int's that hit them right in their hands. inexcusable

why in the hell did we completely abandon the running game that was working so well in the first half? we hardley ever tried to run in the second. in fact we pulled the guy that was running well and put back in morencey, WTF? its not like favre was having a great day throwing. why abandon whats working well?

other then that, i thought we played pretty good overall

[Fosco33]

if its not one thing its another with our secondary. this week they had pretty decent coverage, but woodson and harris both dropped huge int's that hit them right in their hands. inexcusable


Hawk missed one as well.

[MJZiggy]

Who's fault was the fumble?

Little (Taush) got lucky coming around the corner and knocked it out of Favre's hand (as he went back to throw) - he then got jacked by the DT. Colledge missed the recovery but ultimately it was a fluke play at a horrible time.

We lost the turnover battle - simple as that. 3 missed INTs and two key fumbles lost this game.

Woulda helped if Koren had caught those passes as well. He had a few drops on the day, though on some of them he was covered up pretty well.

[GBRulz]

good points, red.

Not sticking with the running game in the 2nd half is what really baffled me.

[Fosco33]

Who's fault was the fumble?

Little (Taush) got lucky coming around the corner and knocked it out of Favre's hand (as he went back to throw) - he then got jacked by the DT. Colledge missed the recovery but ultimately it was a fluke play at a horrible time.

We lost the turnover battle - simple as that. 3 missed INTs and two key fumbles lost this game.

Woulda helped if Koren had caught those passes as well. He had a few drops on the day, though on some of them he was covered up pretty well.

Both DD and GJ had multiple drops today - Jenning's drop at the end of the game was huge.

[red]

if its not one thing its another with our secondary. this week they had pretty decent coverage, but woodson and harris both dropped huge int's that hit them right in their hands. inexcusable


Hawk missed one as well.

haha, i forgot, yes he did

[BallHawk]

WARNING: EXTREME OPTIMISM

If we come close with so much inexperience, won't we be good when the young guys have 1 or 2 years under their belt?

[MJZiggy]

WARNING: EXTREME OPTIMISM

If we come close with so much inexperience, won't we be good when the young guys have 1 or 2 years under their belt?

That would be the plan. Hey, at least we're improving. [/optimism]

[rdanomly]

good points, red.

Not sticking with the running game in the 2nd half is what really baffled me.

At what point did Moll replace Spitz? Maybe that has something to do with shying away from such a sucessful run game in the 1st half..

[MJZiggy]

I thought Moll and Spitz were supposed to be rotating this game.

[Joemailman]

Packers have now lost 7 fumbles in 5 games. The 2 today might have been the difference in the game. The Packers also were 0-3 on interception opportunities. Hawk, Harris and Woodson all could/should have had picks. The Packers are making strides in the right direction, but it won't matter if they can't reverse the turnover trend.

[Patler]

Lots of blame to go around, not that anyone is responsible, but collectively it makes a loss from a game that could have been won.

Hawk dropped an easy interception.
Harris dropped an easy interception.
Woodson dropped a possible interception, a bit more difficult than the others.
Jennings dropped an easy pass.
Driver dropped a catchable ball.
Robinson dropped a catchable ball on the sidelines..
Morency gave points to the Rams with a fumble.
Rayner missed a makable fieldgoal.
Ryan had two poor punts punts leading to points.
Favre missed Franks for a TD in the first half, GB settles for a fieldgoal.
Favre had a very cold 3rd quarter.
Honestly, Favre's career tendency to hold the ball low and away from his body enabled the last fumble to end the game.

You are never going to play a game with no things like that happening. But with a list that long and a 3 point game, its easy to see why they lost.

By the way - Barnett played a very nice game. Solid tackling for the most part, and great range.

[MJZiggy]

Brett does not look happy. Press conference live now. packers.com gameday

[retailguy]

Brett does not look happy. Press conference live now. packers.com gameday


well, he shouldn't be happy. that's par for the course.

[MJZiggy]

Awwww, crap. It's gonna be a bitch of a press week. DO NOT READ ANYTHING THIS WEEK. It ain't gonna be pretty.

[Joemailman]

Congrats on post #4000 Zig. :D Wish it were a happier occasion. :cry:

[BallHawk]

Congrats, MJ.

I'd say break open some champagne, but with the way this team is playing, break out some of the heavy stuff. :D

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tough game. I thought they looked decent at times vs. New Orleans and Detroit, but this is the best they've looked. They still found a way to lose. If it weren't for bad luck, we'd have no luck at all. An OL that paves the way for Noah Friggin' Herron to get 100 yards and barely allows any pressure in the pocket, finds a way to give up pressure immediately on the last play. Hard to say they suck. Hard to blame Brett on that one--although he was off in the 3rd quarter, but he does lead them back into the game late. Harris and Woodson both play well, but both drop potential interceptions (Harris was a lot easier). Hawk bounces back from his worst game and plays solidly, and he drops an interception. Rayner misses a makeable FG. Hard to believe. The defense actually makes some stops late, and does better than I thought they would. Meanwhile, I watch the Lions gift-wrap a victory for the Vikings. Frustrating! The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is pretty miniscule.

[MJZiggy]

Thanks, guys. I have a theory on Favre press conferences: (a few of you have heard this already) I think he doesn't want to answer a lot of stupid questions so when someone asks him a question, he starts talking and keeps rambling on for at least 5 minutes on it and then takes another one and gives that one about 8-10 and by the time he's done he's only had to answer about 3-4 questions. That way he only has to answer the questions by the guys he wants to answer and controls the conference.

[pbmax]

Ok, lets try these rose colored glasses on.

T2 has now reinforced both lines, O and D and esp. on O there seems to be some upside.

The coaching on both lines looks good. The O line has definitely improved, esp. Colledge and Pickett has been playing well.

We still need a monster DE, but they are as hard to find as a franchise QB, so no surprise there.

I think we need a replacement for Clifton soon. While someone said the radio indicated he was dominating, his knees looked really sore today between plays.

He has found keepers at WR and Safety.

Once we find someone to fill the vacant secodnary coach position, we'll be tougher there as well.

I say things are looking up. We are also looking up at the rest of the league, but first things first.... :D

[pbmax]

Thanks, guys. I have a theory on Favre press conferences: (a few of you have heard this already) I think he doesn't want to answer a lot of stupid questions so when someone asks him a question, he starts talking and keeps rambling on for at least 5 minutes on it and then takes another one and gives that one about 8-10 and by the time he's done he's only had to answer about 3-4 questions. That way he only has to answer the questions by the guys he wants to answer and controls the conference.
He could give some pointers to the head coach. :mrgreen:

[MJZiggy]

But I still don't understand why when the run game is finally starting to break free and you have a first down with 4 minutes left, you don't run it at all. Why try 3 deep balls in a row when Herron's been getting you 5.3 ypc?

[VegasPackFan]

We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today.

So many errors just piling up that it would be almost impossible to say one thing or one person is to blame.

There were also multiple opportunities for someone to come up the hero, too - just didnt happen.

Very depressing.

[Brando19]

Thanks, guys. I have a theory on Favre press conferences: (a few of you have heard this already) I think he doesn't want to answer a lot of stupid questions so when someone asks him a question, he starts talking and keeps rambling on for at least 5 minutes on it and then takes another one and gives that one about 8-10 and by the time he's done he's only had to answer about 3-4 questions. That way he only has to answer the questions by the guys he wants to answer and controls the conference.

Did you watch the press conference? What was some of the main things said today by Favre?

[Harlan Huckleby]

We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory today.

The defense made a critical stand in the Rams last possession. Then the offense drives down the field. Fumble. Without that fumble, everybody is saying "what a gritty performance by the packers."

i understand what you are saying about the dropped passes.

[mmmdk]

I was at the game; the crowd was awesome - they forced false starts and kept yelling. Also, simlpy put, the Packers wasted this game. Period. I'm not gonna let the loss bring me down. Go Packers. PS - Hold onto the damn ball plus catch those Bulger ints.

[MJZiggy]

He's disappointed
He thinks that he should have come up with a way to win
He said there's two reactions that guys will have if the season starts to get long--either they will start collecting their paychecks saying "yeah, whatever" or they will dig in and continue to do the things they need to do week in and week out regardless of the outcome of the game. He's hoping for more of the second type of guys. This is the 2nd week he challenged them to hold it together.
He unfortunately said he sometimes wonders what he's doing here.
He feels like when he steps on the field, he should be able to win the game.
The last play was a freak thing and he felt bad for Tausch because he played a good game and that had to happen on the last one.
He felt he threw the ball ok, but there was a slant he was off on and he's supposed to make that throw.
It could very well be a long year. We'll see how guys respond.

[MJZiggy]

I was at the game; the crowd was awesome - they forced false starts and kept yelling. Also, simlpy put, the Packers wasted this game. Period. I'm not gonna let the loss bring me down. Go Packers. PS - Hold onto the damn ball plus catch those Bulger ints.

I'm sorry they didn't get you a win, but the hidden upside is that if they had, you'd have had to travel back for every home game for the rest of the season as the "lucky fan." :lol:

[Brando19]

He's disappointed
He thinks that he should have come up with a way to win
He said there's two reactions that guys will have if the season starts to get long--either they will start collecting their paychecks saying "yeah, whatever" or they will dig in and continue to do the things they need to do week in and week out regardless of the outcome of the game. He's hoping for more of the second type of guys. This is the 2nd week he challenged them to hold it together.
He unfortunately said he sometimes wonders what he's doing here.
He feels like when he steps on the field, he should be able to win the game.
The last play was a freak thing and he felt bad for Tausch because he played a good game and that had to happen on the last one.
He felt he threw the ball ok, but there was a slant he was off on and he's supposed to make that throw.
It could very well be a long year. We'll see how guys respond.'

Thanks, Ziggy. I just hope the Packers don't bench Favre after a few more losses to play A-Rod.
You said he sometimes wonders what he's doing here? Why the HECK does he have to say crap like that. Now we're going into a bye week...and for 2 weeks we're going to have to hear about how Favre wants out of Green Bay or how Favre wishes he would've retired or went to another team. I wish Brett Favre would get his wish and never give post game press conferences because he always screws with the media.

[MJZiggy]

He's disappointed
He thinks that he should have come up with a way to win
He said there's two reactions that guys will have if the season starts to get long--either they will start collecting their paychecks saying "yeah, whatever" or they will dig in and continue to do the things they need to do week in and week out regardless of the outcome of the game. He's hoping for more of the second type of guys. This is the 2nd week he challenged them to hold it together.
He unfortunately said he sometimes wonders what he's doing here.
He feels like when he steps on the field, he should be able to win the game.
The last play was a freak thing and he felt bad for Tausch because he played a good game and that had to happen on the last one.
He felt he threw the ball ok, but there was a slant he was off on and he's supposed to make that throw.
It could very well be a long year. We'll see how guys respond.'

Thanks, Ziggy. I just hope the Packers don't bench Favre after a few more losses to play A-Rod.
You said he sometimes wonders what he's doing here? Why the HECK does he have to say crap like that. Now we're going into a bye week...and for 2 weeks we're going to have to hear about how Favre wants out of Green Bay or how Favre wishes he would've retired or went to another team. I wish Brett Favre would get his wish and never give post game press conferences because he always screws with the media.

That's what I said. Two weeks we're gonna have to listen to it unless he gives a Wednesday conference this week and says something profound to shut them up.

[Rastak]

Tough Meanwhile, I watch the Lions gift-wrap a victory for the Vikings. Frustrating! The difference between winning and losing in the NFL is pretty miniscule.

Gift wrapped? Are you talking about EJ Henderson's int for a TD? It was 4th and 10 and Kitna was going down....that pick just made the score more lopsided, I'd hardly call that gift wrapped. The Vikes would have been in a position to run out the clock and win by 2. Instead they win by 9....again, how is that gift wrapped?



Anyway, damn fine day of football. Lots of close games....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Come on, homer! Detroit gave them 13 points in the 4th quarter--in a game they were down 14 to a poor team. You can believe what you want. The Vikings are 3-2. Good for them, but to me they actually are looking worse as the year has gone on. It doesn't look like they could score 20 points by themselves against any team.

Green Bay is 1-4. You can throw that back at me, but I certainly think there's little talent difference between the two teams.

On a side note, the Packers could very well have played a 5-0 team and three 4-1 teams after 5 weeks. The Lions are 0-5. Kind of funny because, before the year, I thought this was an easy stretch of games. That's the NFL for you.

[Rastak]

Come on, homer! Detroit gave them 13 points in the 4th quarter--in a game they were down 14 to a poor team. You can believe what you want. The Vikings are 3-2. Good for them, but to me they actually are looking worse as the year has gone on. It doesn't look like they could score 20 points by themselves against any team.

Green Bay is 1-4. You can throw that back at me, but I certainly think there's little talent difference between the two teams.

On a side note, the Packers could very well have played a 5-0 team and three 4-1 teams after 5 weeks. The Lions are 0-5. Kind of funny because, before the year, I thought this was an easy stretch of games. That's the NFL for you.


Harvey! Dude, when you play good defense you force these things....minimize it all you want. Now one thing I WILL say, Brad Johnson isn't playing well and the Vikings offense looks sick, and not a good sick.
They are also constantly shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

I also notice you didn't mention the points the Vikings gifted the Lions when they fumbled on their own 30 on a punt. But then again you never ever mention stuff like that.....you're OK Harv but you crack me up!

[BallHawk]

One thing I've noticed about this loss, is that there is more optimism than usual. Hell, I see some more optimism after this game than the Lions game. We still should of won this game, but I'd rather show improvement and lose in a heart-breaking fasion than get blown out. The Bye week at this time is good and bad. The good thing is we get time to regroup and get our shit together, because we need that. The bad thing is we're going have this loss hanging over us for 13 days.

[chewy-bacca]

I was at the game; the crowd was awesome - they forced false starts and kept yelling. Also, simlpy put, the Packers wasted this game. Period. I'm not gonna let the loss bring me down. Go Packers. PS - Hold onto the damn ball plus catch those Bulger ints.

I thought they were gonna pull it out for you man! win or lose, I bet it was a fun game to be at. Like you said, the crowd seemed real into it. Sounded like you did good work for the team today! :cool:

[Partial]

One thing I've noticed about this loss, is that there is more optimism than usual. Hell, I see some more optimism after this game than the Lions game. We still should of won this game, but I'd rather show improvement and lose in a heart-breaking fasion than get blown out. The Bye week at this time is good and bad. The good thing is we get time to regroup and get our shit together, because we need that. The bad thing is we're going have this loss hanging over us for 13 days.

'cause the front 7 and OL both looked good, and that is the breeding ground for success, imo.

[vince]

One thing I've noticed about this loss, is that there is more optimism than usual. Hell, I see some more optimism after this game than the Lions game. We still should of won this game, but I'd rather show improvement and lose in a heart-breaking fasion than get blown out. The Bye week at this time is good and bad. The good thing is we get time to regroup and get our shit together, because we need that. The bad thing is we're going have this loss hanging over us for 13 days.

'cause the front 7 and OL both looked good, and that is the breeding ground for success, imo.
Obviously, you have to make plays to win, and we didn't make enough of them today. As much as Packnut and Wist want to cry about not winning, the reality is that it's more important to show strong development this year than win, and most people saw that today.

Overall, the Packers outplayed a team that's not too bad on both sides of the ball. The Rams have some weapons on O and a pretty good line, and our D did a nice job for most of the game coralling the conference's leading rusher and shutting down a strong passing attack.

It appears that the Rams have some holes on D, but we, for the most part, exploited them.

Now this young team has to continue to become more consistent, make a few more plays, and learn how to win in this league. All of those will come with more experience.

[Joemailman]

The 4 teams we've lost to are a combined 15-2. We're far from a terrible team. If the OL continues to improve, the Packers should be very competitive the rest of the year.

[Rastak]

One thing I've noticed about this loss, is that there is more optimism than usual. Hell, I see some more optimism after this game than the Lions game. We still should of won this game, but I'd rather show improvement and lose in a heart-breaking fasion than get blown out. The Bye week at this time is good and bad. The good thing is we get time to regroup and get our shit together, because we need that. The bad thing is we're going have this loss hanging over us for 13 days.

'cause the front 7 and OL both looked good, and that is the breeding ground for success, imo.
Obviously, you have to make plays to win, and we didn't make enough of them today. As much as Packnut and Wist want to cry about not winning, the reality is that it's more important to show strong development this year than win, and most people saw that today.

Overall, the Packers outplayed a team that's not too bad on both sides of the ball. The Rams have some weapons on O and a pretty good line, and our D did a nice job for most of the game coralling the conference's leading rusher and shutting down a strong passing attack.

It appears that the Rams have some holes on D, but we, for the most part, exploited them.

Now this young team has to continue to become more consistent, make a few more plays, and learn how to win in this league. All of those will come with more experience.



Well, I'm not sure I completely agree....you really want to win your home games, and as Kiwon pointed out, you don't want your young guys getting used to losing all the time. I didn't see any of the game so I don't know anything other than what I've read here.

[retailguy]

The 4 teams we've lost to are a combined 15-2. We're far from a terrible team. If the OL continues to improve, the Packers should be very competitive the rest of the year.


Bears - 5 -0
Eagles - 4 - 1
Saints - 4 - 1
Rams - 4 - 1

That looks like 17-3 to me Joe, but your point is made. Will be interesting to see what happens as the season progresses.

[vince]

One thing I've noticed about this loss, is that there is more optimism than usual. Hell, I see some more optimism after this game than the Lions game. We still should of won this game, but I'd rather show improvement and lose in a heart-breaking fasion than get blown out. The Bye week at this time is good and bad. The good thing is we get time to regroup and get our shit together, because we need that. The bad thing is we're going have this loss hanging over us for 13 days.

'cause the front 7 and OL both looked good, and that is the breeding ground for success, imo.
Obviously, you have to make plays to win, and we didn't make enough of them today. As much as Packnut and Wist want to cry about not winning, the reality is that it's more important to show strong development this year than win, and most people saw that today.

Overall, the Packers outplayed a team that's not too bad on both sides of the ball. The Rams have some weapons on O and a pretty good line, and our D did a nice job for most of the game coralling the conference's leading rusher and shutting down a strong passing attack.

It appears that the Rams have some holes on D, but we, for the most part, exploited them.

Now this young team has to continue to become more consistent, make a few more plays, and learn how to win in this league. All of those will come with more experience.



Well, I'm not sure I completely agree....you really want to win your home games, and as Kiwon pointed out, you don't want your young guys getting used to losing all the time. I didn't see any of the game so I don't know anything other than what I've read here.
Ras, this team is not playoff caliber yet... You've heard the saying, "you've got to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run..."

You get the picture I'm sure. This team isn't a playoff caliber team yet. This loss isn't going to be the difference in them going to the playoffs or not. We all know that.

I've listened to MM in his press conferences discuss the type of attitude, habits, and expectations for this team. I have no doubt that this team will have the mindset necessary to win, when it matters. I am very comfortable, based on what I've seen and heard from MM that he understands how to develop young players and ensure that they have the mental toughness, fortitude, and killer instinct to fight.

And further, this isn't Pop Warner league. These players, while young, understand how they are progressing, whether they have the talent to compete and what they need to do week in and week out to get to where they want to be.

Now they have to experience the growth. They'll get there. I have no doubt that this loss will make them hungrier, not more complacent, since they know they outplayed the other team and deserved to win, but came up just short.

[woodbuck27]

Brett Favre's QB Rating today:

22/39 for 220 Yards, 1 TD and 0 picks = 81.14

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harvey! Dude, when you play good defense you force these things....minimize it all you want. Now one thing I WILL say, Brad Johnson isn't playing well and the Vikings offense looks sick, and not a good sick.
They are also constantly shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

I also notice you didn't mention the points the Vikings gifted the Lions when they fumbled on their own 30 on a punt. But then again you never ever mention stuff like that.....you're OK Harv but you crack me up!

I felt like your squad got some breaks in the 4th quarter to beat a bad team at home. After the first few games, I was actually afraid the Vikings were going to be a lot better than I thought they'd be. Now, they don't look very fierce. They've gotten some breaks in the games they've won with opposing injuries, and they've gotten some breaks during the games late. That's just the way I see it.

You talk about what I mention or fail to mention, but the most negative thing you've ever said about the Vikings is something like "I'll admit that Brad Johnson isn't playing that well." Really! It's not just Johnson. It's the conservative playcalling. It's the WR drops. The poor blocking from what looks to be an overrated OL. It's an RB that will get what the OL gives him, but not much more. Their offense looks below average, and it doesn't look like it will get much better.

Maybe I'm just bitter because Green Bay seems snakebitten right now.

[MJZiggy]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

[Rastak]

Harvey! Dude, when you play good defense you force these things....minimize it all you want. Now one thing I WILL say, Brad Johnson isn't playing well and the Vikings offense looks sick, and not a good sick.
They are also constantly shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.

I also notice you didn't mention the points the Vikings gifted the Lions when they fumbled on their own 30 on a punt. But then again you never ever mention stuff like that.....you're OK Harv but you crack me up!

I felt like your squad got some breaks in the 4th quarter to beat a bad team at home. After the first few games, I was actually afraid the Vikings were going to be a lot better than I thought they'd be. Now, they don't look very fierce. They've gotten some breaks in the games they've won with opposing injuries, and they've gotten some breaks during the games late. That's just the way I see it.

You talk about what I mention or fail to mention, but the most negative thing you've ever said about the Vikings is something like "I'll admit that Brad Johnson isn't playing that well." Really! It's not just Johnson. It's the conservative playcalling. It's the WR drops. The poor blocking from what looks to be an overrated OL. It's an RB that will get what the OL gives him, but not much more. Their offense looks below average, and it doesn't look like it will get much better.

Maybe I'm just bitter because Green Bay seems snakebitten right now.


Hey, I'll agree with you when you are right and call you out when I think you are wrong. I will say this, the Vikings run game was MUCH better today. Their pass blocking was suspect at best. I agree that with the money invested in the line it should be better. They didn't have alot of drops today but it's been a HUGE problem over the first 4 games....it looks like that's been somewhat corrected, at least it was today. I agree the offense is below average also.....but man, they sure are playing some tough defense. Check out Detroits rushing stats. You called those turnovers gifts but the reality is they forced those. I see the Vikes as a 9-7 team right now.



I am on the Bears bandwagon though,,,,,DAMN.....

[woodbuck27]

The 4 teams we've lost to are a combined 15-2. We're far from a terrible team. If the OL continues to improve, the Packers should be very competitive the rest of the year.


Bears - 5 -0
Eagles - 4 - 1
Saints - 4 - 1
Rams - 4 - 1

That looks like 17-3 to me Joe, but your point is made. Will be interesting to see what happens as the season progresses.

We played terribly in game one Vs "the Bears". OK.

We were leading "the Saints" and "the Eagles" at the half way points of those games and ran out of gas.

We almost came back today Vs. the RAMS.

As you say retailguy these teams that defeated us.

Are an aggregate rated - based on this week's POWER RANKING:

( 36 combined ) devided by 4 = (9) and OUR POWER RANKING = 28.

So we should take some hope from that. :mrgreen:

GO PACK GO !

A well deserved Bye Week in week 6 to re-group.

[Fosco33]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

No, nothing. I hope he's alright - maybe just a flu or something?

[MJZiggy]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

No, nothing. I hope he's alright - maybe just a flu or something?

M3 said something about them running some tests on him--started before the game but I didn't catch what it might be. The audio was terrible.

[digitaldean]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

No, nothing. I hope he's alright - maybe just a flu or something?

Spitz was throwing up before the game and got worse. The doctors sent him to a local hospital, necessitating Moll coming in.

[Fosco33]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

No, nothing. I hope he's alright - maybe just a flu or something?

M3 said something about them running some tests on him--started before the game but I didn't catch what it might be. The audio was terrible.

I know about the AV issues. I was watching Favre's press conf but gave up after the third interruption.

[retailguy]

Did you guys hear that Spitz is in the hospital? Something in the stomach?

No, nothing. I hope he's alright - maybe just a flu or something?

Spitz was throwing up before the game and got worse. The doctors sent him to a local hospital, necessitating Moll coming in.

I wondered what prompted Moll coming into the game. That really stinks... here's hopin the kid is OK... :sad:

[FavreChild]

I agree with Harvey's comparison to the Lions. We are now the Lions - you can always count on the Lions to find a way to lose these days. And now the same is true for the Packers. I mean, if you didn't have that feeling during the whole second half - after we dominated but failed to capitalize on opportunties during the first half - I don't believe you.

And although I am prone to defend you, Rastak, I watched the whole Lions/Vikes game. It was on the TV next to the Packer game, and the fans sitting next to me were Lions fans. Detroit lost the game; Minnesota didn't win it. The Vikes got lucky again - they have yet to play a dominant game. And yes, good teams know how to win, no matter how ugly the win may be.

Thus, the difference is that while Minnesota knows how to win, you can always count on them to find a way to lose the big games. :wink:

[woodbuck27]

Final Statistic's for today's game:

Rams ( 4-1-0 ) Packers ( 1-4-0 )

PASSING

CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Bulger 18/28 220 2 0

PASSING

CP/AT YDS TD INT
B. Favre 22/39 220 1 0


RUSHING

ATT YDS TD LG
S. Jackson 23 98 0 14
M. Bulger 3 10 0 12
K. Curtis 1 6 0 6
S. Davis 3 4 0 2

RUSHING

ATT YDS TD LG
N. Herron 20 106 1 19
V. Morency 6 15 0 7


RECEIVING

REC YDS TD LG

T. Fisher 2 51 0 40
T. Holt 3 40 1 22
S. McDonald 2 30 0 21
J. Klopfenstein 1 24 0 24
I. Bruce 2 23 0 18
K. Curtis 3 21 1 10
S. Jackson 3 20 0 17
S. Davis 1 10 0 10
M. Hedgecock 1 1 0 1

RECEIVING

REC YDS TD LG

G. Jennings 5 105 1 46
K. Robinson 4 42 0 14
D. Driver 3 24 0 11
N. Herron 5 20 0 6
B. Franks 2 16 0 9
V. Morency 2 9 0 5
D. Martin 1 4 0 4


FUMBLES

FUM LOST REC YDS

V. Adeyanju 0 0 1 0
J. Butler 0 0 1 0

FUMBLES

FUM LOST REC YDS
B. Favre 1 1 0 0
V. Morency 1 1 0 0


KICKING

FG LG XP PTS
J. Wilkins 3/3 31 2/2 11

KICKING

FG LG XP PTS
D. Rayner 2/3 32 2/2 8


PUNTING

NO AVG I20 LG
M. Turk 5 44.2 1 55

PUNTING

NO AVG I20 LG
J. Ryan 4 48.8 0 66


KICKOFF RETURNS

NO AVG TD LG
J. Reed 3 13.3 0 23

KICKOFF RETURNS

NO AVG TD LG
W. Henderson 1 4.0 0 4
K. Robinson 2 20.0 0 22


PUNT RETURNS

NO AVG TD LG
D. Looker 1 9.0 0 9
S. McDonald 2 14.0 0 28

PUNT RETURNS

NO AVG TD LG
C. Woodson 2 10.5 0 12 (That's better!)


DEFENSE

T-A SCK INT FF

C. Chavous 6-0 0.0 0 0
J. Kennedy 6-1 1.0 0 0
O. Atogwe 5-0 0.0 0 0
J. Carter 5-0 0.0 0 0
T. Hill 5-0 0.0 0 0
J. Fisk 3-0 0.0 0 0
R. Bartell 2-0 0.0 0 0
B. Chillar 2-0 0.0 0 0
A. Hargrove 2-0 0.0 0 0
L. Little 2-0 1.0 0 0
P. Tinoisamoa 2-3 0.0 0 0
W. Witherspoon 2-3 0.0 0 0
C. Wroten 2-0 0.0 0 0
V. Adeyanju 1-1 0.0 0 0
J. Butler 1-0 0.0 0 0
T. Fisher 1-0 0.0 0 0
T. Fisher 1-0 0.0 0 0
L. Glover 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Massey 1-0 0.0 0 0

DEFENSE

T-A SCK INT FF

M. Manuel 9-1 0.0 0 0
N. Barnett 8-4 0.0 0 0
B. Poppinga 4-3 0.0 0 0
C. Williams 4-0 0.0 0 0
C. Woodson 4-0 0.0 0 0
J. Bush 3-0 0.0 0 0
N. Collins 3-1 0.0 0 0
A. Hawk 3-5 0.0 0 0
A. Kampman 3-3 1.0 0 0
T. Culver 2-1 0.0 0 0
P. Dendy 2-0 0.0 0 0
K. Gbaja-Biamila 1-3 0.5 0 0
T. Humphrey 1-0 0.0 0 0
M. Montgomery 1-2 0.5 0 0
S. Wells 1-0 0.0 0 0
C. Cole 0-1 0.0 0 0
R. Davis 0-1 0.0 0 0
J. Hunter 0-1 0.0 0 0
R. Pickett 0-2 0.0 0 0

[mmmdk]

I'll be at the game & I guarantee a win! It's gonna be a shootout, there's no way Packers hold anyone under 24 points. Packers win 34-30.

I hope you all noticed; this is my post # 400 and that normally means a Packer win....... :wink:.......YOU BETCHA!!! :mrgreen:

...what am I gonna predict for Falcons on sunday? :shock: