Official Packers/Dolphins Game Thread

[FritzDontBlitz]

oh hell the fuck YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

My boy is back baby.....

[pbmax]

Not even cut back?!

[Bub]

Green still has wheels?

[MasonCrosby]

apparently ahman green just ran for a td...i refuse to believe it till dna evidence on the individual confirms it is the ahman green that has been playing all afternoon...

[Tarlam!]

Finaly it worked and with no Clifton!

Ouch, what an observation....Well done by Ahman, his longest run since mid 2004....

[Partial]

He looked significantly slower than old Green, but 'atta boy, finding a way to get it done!!

[PackerTimer]

WOW he justed busted right through the line.

[ND72]

The nice thing there, the blocking was perfect...we got to the LB's without a problem, and all that was left was the safety, and he just our ran him. that's perfect right there.

[Rastak]

Man, there are a BUNCH of good games unfolding......check the nfl.com scoreboard.....wow.....

[retailguy]

He looked significantly slower than old Green, but 'atta boy, finding a way to get it done!!


Well, it was fast enough for these old eyes.... :wink:

[Patler]

He obviously has not lost his speed. Now if he can see consistent holes like Herron had two weeks ago...........

[Fosco33]

:shock:


Where'd that come from?

I was hoping for an 8 min drive and a field goal.

:lol:

[pbmax]

Finaly it worked and with no Clifton!

Ouch, what an observation....Well done by Ahman, his longest run since mid 2004....
Not flogging ol' Cliff, just amazed they ran that behind Colledge. He had been their best backside cutoff guy, not the lead guy on play side

[mmmdk]

TOUCHBACK!!!!

[pbmax]

The nice thing there, the blocking was perfect...we got to the LB's without a problem, and all that was left was the safety, and he just our ran him. that's perfect right there.
And I was wrong again, he cut it inside the guard center gap. Still wonderful blocking on that.

[retailguy]

WOW. A TD, with an extra point, THEN a Kickoff to the END ZONE, with no return... WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

Maybe there is hope, after all.. :pack: :cat:

[pbmax]

WOW. A TD, with an extra point, THEN a Kickoff to the END ZONE, with no return... WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

Maybe there is hope, after all.. :pack: :cat:
I do recognize this Pass D, though.

[ND72]

Finaly it worked and with no Clifton!

Ouch, what an observation....Well done by Ahman, his longest run since mid 2004....
Not flogging ol' Cliff, just amazed they ran that behind Colledge. He had been their best backside cutoff guy, not the lead guy on play side


actually colledge has been the front side double team guy with Wells...GB likes running their zones to the left, and colledge is normally the LG. I still think at some point, Colledge will be our future LT, and Spitz will be the LG...I like those 2 next to eachother.

[J-Rok]

Harris gave away our momentum. Jumped a route and whiffed.

[Partial]

tooo... many.... emoticons....!!!!! :mrgreen:

[ND72]

talk about some horrible tackling on that play. just horrible.

[Rastak]

Man he BLEW by everyone.....

[DannoMac21]

lmfao Vasgersian has so much enthusiasm it's ridiculous.

[Partial]

Finaly it worked and with no Clifton!

Ouch, what an observation....Well done by Ahman, his longest run since mid 2004....
Not flogging ol' Cliff, just amazed they ran that behind Colledge. He had been their best backside cutoff guy, not the lead guy on play side


actually colledge has been the front side double team guy with Wells...GB likes running their zones to the left, and colledge is normally the LG. I still think at some point, Colledge will be our future LT, and Spitz will be the LG...I like those 2 next to eachother.

You think he's tall enough to be a premiere LT in the league?

[Rastak]

talk about some horrible tackling on that play. just horrible.


He deeked a few guys.....

[Fosco33]

Holding!

[Rastak]

Holding!


True but Miami would have declined it..... :wink:

[ND72]

12 minutes left, and our Defense is sitting back in a prevent defense. ATTACK....i hate this bullshit.

[retailguy]

Yikes! That was NOT GOOD.

[Partial]

Alright, we need another one of the phatty bobatty runs by Green.

[pbmax]

Finaly it worked and with no Clifton!

Ouch, what an observation....Well done by Ahman, his longest run since mid 2004....
Not flogging ol' Cliff, just amazed they ran that behind Colledge. He had been their best backside cutoff guy, not the lead guy on play side


actually colledge has been the front side double team guy with Wells...GB likes running their zones to the left, and colledge is normally the LG. I still think at some point, Colledge will be our future LT, and Spitz will be the LG...I like those 2 next to eachother.I have noticed them running left, but I was referencing Colledge and the back side from comments his coaches made. Although, you are probably right, the fact they are running left probably tells you who is doing what better.

[J-Rok]

I'm speechless. Way to break down.

[mmmdk]

WHAT :bang:

[Rastak]

Nice friggen catch there.....

[ND72]

who ever #27 is, never moved...he sat in 1 spot from the snap of the ball, and seriously never moved for us...Booker ran right past him.

[J-Rok]

I'm still speechless.

[Tarlam!]

WHAT :bang:

What mmmdk said....

[Fosco33]

Holding!


True but Miami would have declined it..... :wink:

NO WAY. I watched again and the entire team was screeming holding before the pass attempt. That was BS.

We may lose this game - but it shouldn't have even been close.

Fucking lame.

[J-Rok]

All three positive plays were "explosive" plays. All over ten yards. Two over 20. One over 40. Ridiculous.

[MasonCrosby]

where is the pass D?

[pbmax]

Barnett had a horrible whiff when he came up on that long play. Didn't break down and back just shook right by him.

[ND72]

well defense, thank you for taking our momentum and just taking a huge shit on it. :beat:


(no horses were hurt in this posting)

[]{ilr]3]

If the defense costs us anouther game there should be some people to be shit canned tommorow! :evil:

That play by Woodson was awesome, too bad everyone gave up on the play otherwise someone could have been there to get it

[Fosco33]

where is the pass D?

A term that Shitty fails to comprehend.

[Partial]

ND do you think Colledge is big enough / good enough to be an upper-echelon left tackle in the league?

[J-Rok]

You mean Ahmad Carroll? Oh wait.

[Rastak]

Holding!


True but Miami would have declined it..... :wink:

NO WAY. I watched again and the entire team was screeming holding before the pass attempt. That was BS.

We may lose this game - but it shouldn't have even been close.

Fucking lame.


Honestly I didn;t see the play but you have to admit this could have gone several ways. Both teams dropped passes and Miami dropped at least two picks......

[ND72]

I think he's more suited for a tackle position righ tnow than Guard...

[Iron Mike]

Manuel just conducted a clinic on "how to whiff on tackles" during that last Miami drive..... :evil:

[ND72]

and all of the sudden i'm happy i put ahman green in my starting lineup last night.

[retailguy]

ND do you think Colledge is big enough / good enough to be an upper-echelon left tackle in the league?

He's definitely not "big" enough right now, but he's probably tall enough. I doubt in Sherman's offense he could be big enough, but in this offense, he probably can be.

[ND72]

ND do you think Colledge is big enough / good enough to be an upper-echelon left tackle in the league?

He's definitely not "big" enough right now, but he's probably tall enough. I doubt in Sherman's offense he could be big enough, but in this offense, he probably can be.


great point.

[J-Rok]

"That was good because it gave them a first down."

Who are these clowns? Madden?

[Rastak]

Favre got drilled....

[Fosco33]

Great games all around!

Carolina and Cincy - took it to the end. Cincy is up 17-14 and going for the runout.

Lions are only down 7 but the clock is running under 2. Looks like Jets win by 7.

Eagles are up 1 w/ 4 seconds left. TB is coming on for the Game winner! 61 yard attempt - .....
who knows....

Lots of time left in Atlanta.

Chargers came back and tied KC running above 2 min left. Amazing comeback - can't wait to read about it.

[ND72]

one thing Tony moll needs to do, and i've noticed this a lot today...he needs to learn how to counter a DL move....when the guy swam him, he needs to put his hand in the guys arm pit and just shove him to the side...i could go more in depth, but there is no way to explain without showing, so i'll shut up.


Big down here.

[Partial]

Well Favre, lets get it done right here. Favre to Martin Favre to Martin!

[Bub]

That FG deal before the half could really end up biting us in the arse

[Iron Mike]

That's right Martin.....don't even TRY to make that catch.....you might injure yourself or something!!!! :evil:

[Partial]

Lets get this. Ballsy call, but lets do it!

[J-Rok]

A REVERSE?

[Partial]

YES! Big Risks = Big results

[Tarlam!]

I like the call!

[ND72]

ballsy by McCarthy/Jags there...Ballsy...gotta say i like it.

[mmmdk]

Note: Matt Bryant 62 Yd, 0:00 to win the game over Eagles...62 yards :shock:

[Partial]

Play of the game right there. That has to show confidence in the guys. I think they march down and score now.

[Rastak]

Man, that was the goofiest call I ever saw......with the lead and at mid field?


an end around?

[Tarlam!]

Let's milk the clock!

[Fosco33]

3 for 13 on 3rd downs. Not good.

[Partial]

Note: Matt Bryant 62 Yd, 0:00 to win the game over Eagles...62 yards :shock:

HOLY SHIT

[ND72]

what i like, is looking at Driver, he looks like he's in a fight...like we're losing....that's what i wanna see in a situation like this...our offense/defense needs to act like we're losing, and take control of the game.

[Partial]

Man, that was the goofiest call I ever saw......with the lead and at mid field?


an end around?

But Miami didn't see it coming either. Worked brilliantly.

[billy_oliver880]

Where is Jennings today?! :shock:

[Rastak]

Man, that was the goofiest call I ever saw......with the lead and at mid field?


an end around?

But Miami didn't see it coming either. Worked brilliantly.


He almost lost 10 yards.....desperate stuff it seems,.

[Fosco33]

Gusty call that wouldn't have needed to occur with better officiating.

M3 learned that the short yardage isn't working. Good play by DD. The vets are coming up big today. I hope Brett is alright.

[J-Rok]

Francis? Catch? Firstdown? What?

[Rastak]

Where is Jennings today?! :shock:


Injured....

[Partial]

I like how Favre isn't rocketing the balls right now. He's down to his PS receivers and is throwing a nice catchable ball to them. Partial likes!

[ND72]

what the hell just happened? :shock:

[J-Rok]

wtf?

[Partial]

WTF just happened?!?!?

[Fosco33]

Driver is cramping too.

I'm trying out for GB next week :lol:

[retailguy]

OMG! :mrgreen:

[billy_oliver880]

Where is Jennings today?! :shock:


Injured....

Good thing I haven't been keeping up. :neutral:

[pbmax]

Nice slant by Francis and hello TE, welcome back My Favorite Martin

[J-Rok]

wtf>!!>!>!??

[Partial]

I love how there are 5 WTF posts in a row :mrgreen:

[mmmdk]

Man, that was the goofiest call I ever saw......with the lead and at mid field?


an end around?

But Miami didn't see it coming either. Worked brilliantly.

Partial, I love you...you called it :D

[Bub]

nice...Favre has found 8 different receivers. today, including himself.

[ND72]

wow, just a great catch by Martin there.

[MasonCrosby]

td to david martin..what a nice drive...

[Tarlam!]

That was the drive of the game! Good play-calling right there...

[Partial]

Man, that was the goofiest call I ever saw......with the lead and at mid field?


an end around?

But Miami didn't see it coming either. Worked brilliantly.

Partial, I love you...you called it :D

Hey i'm just glad we scored. Now lets have our third starting LB get a turnover to finish the trifecta!

[J-Rok]

Did that bounce off a fin hand or did he just pluck that an inch off the ground?

[Fosco33]

This game is sooo exciting but so annoying at the same time. This should be a blowout. We need to play smart and get another TO to end this BS game.

Go Favre.

All the haters are blind.

[pbmax]

Replay before commercial looked like one inch off ground

[Fosco33]

Did that bounce off a fin hand or did he just pluck that an inch off the ground?

Both - I think. Brett puts us in positions to win games and make plays.

405!

My least favorite and most favorite freeway in LA.

[Partial]

4-4 wtf?

Hodge sighting on the outside!!

[J-Rok]

Brett Favre throw interceptions? Who is this analyst? He's acting like Favre's threatening to take over the all time interception record or something.

[Partial]

so close!

[billy_oliver880]

Whos returning punts and kickoffs today?

[retailguy]

Both - I think. Brett puts us in positions to win games and make plays.

405!

My least favorite and most favorite freeway in LA.


Ahh. The 405. Everyday for 5 1/2 years from the 101 to the 10 and then back in the evening......

Gosh. Don't miss that ONE BIT.

[Partial]

Chuck creates 3 potential turnovers today.

[BENZITO]

woodson is playing very good today

[PackerTimer]

woodson is playing about the best we've seen this year.

[Partial]

Poop

[ND72]

by the way, it's either smart or lucky, at 1058 am (CST) I took whoever my starting QB and RB were out for Brett Favre and Ahman Green...(ESPN Fantasy)

[FritzDontBlitz]

ok, is anyone else paying attention to jc pearson's terrible commentary?

dude is whining and second guessing everything green bay does on offense.

after the gutsy pass to francies on 3rd and short pearson called it a stupid idea that happened to go their way? excuse me, but aren't slants a regular staple of the west coast offense?

and on martin's td catch, pearson said it was a questionable gamble when you're in the lead? jeez, martin was wide open, the ball was just underthrown. had favre thrown it further inside martin would have had the easy catch.

pearson is obviously playing up the "favre throws picks" mentality, to the point where he can't see what's on the field with an unbiased eye.

[Fosco33]

Note: Matt Bryant 62 Yd, 0:00 to win the game over Eagles...62 yards :shock:

HOLY SHIT

I have that TiVO'd. Amazing - officially 62 .

"To end the game - long of 50 - you see what he's trying to do."

"4 seconds - 61 yards - 62 officially - all you gotta do is watch and listen. Man. Ohh oohh ohh - unbelievable!" Silence. Nearly a record - could've been good from 65."

[Partial]

Spike montgomery!!

[BENZITO]

omg, in minnesota and they cut the pack game to go to a commerical :(

[Tarlam!]

Atl vs Pit 38-38. Must be a hell of a game...

[Rastak]

Time to watch the Vikes.....let me know how it ends guys.......

[Partial]

Note: Matt Bryant 62 Yd, 0:00 to win the game over Eagles...62 yards :shock:

HOLY SHIT

I have that TiVO'd. Amazing - officially 62 .

"To end the game - long of 50 - you see what he's trying to do."

"4 seconds - 61 yards - 62 officially - all you gotta do is watch and listen. Man. Ohh oohh ohh - unbelievable!" Silence. Nearly a record - could've been good from 65."

That is outrageous!!

[ND72]

personally I've been very happy with Hawk today...he's been hitting people today like a #5 pick.

[Partial]

I though Hawk had that pick right there!!

[Bub]

Both - I think. Brett puts us in positions to win games and make plays.

405!

My least favorite and most favorite freeway in LA.


Ahh. The 405. Everyday for 5 1/2 years from the 101 to the 10 and then back in the evening......

Gosh. Don't miss that ONE BIT.
Ahh yes...love the 101 and 405. It sure feels weird going home and driving down the 41.

[Rastak]

omg, in minnesota and they cut the pack game to go to a commerical :(


No they cut to go to the main event......

[ND72]

i don't like the prevent defense here....still a lot of time to be dangerous.

[Partial]

Where is the coverage? Why are they playing a deep zone? Shit man!!

[pbmax]

I hate this D, if you are going to site back deep, don't let them get the sideline.

[BENZITO]

i wouldnt be as mad if they would have just went to the vikes game but to go to about 5 minutes worth of commericals sucks

[Partial]

Both - I think. Brett puts us in positions to win games and make plays.

405!

My least favorite and most favorite freeway in LA.


Ahh. The 405. Everyday for 5 1/2 years from the 101 to the 10 and then back in the evening......

Gosh. Don't miss that ONE BIT.
Ahh yes...love the 101 and 405. It sure feels weird going home and driving down the 41.


i'm very cnfused :sad:

[ND72]

I used to love when i lived in Minnesota...I got both La Crosse TV and Rochester/Minneapolis TV so I had 2 CBS channels with 2 different games, and 2 FOX channels with 2 different games. It was great.

[Fosco33]

Consecutive 4th down completions. Jeez - pathetic.

Fire Shitty!

[Partial]

SERIOUSLY, go to a nickel and keep playing agressively!!

[BENZITO]

that would be fantastic

[VegasPackFan]

time to fire up the "Fire Schotty" thread again

[Partial]

Consecutive 4th down completions. Jeez - pathetic.

Fire Shitty!

Amen.

I would have ZERO problems with Nick Saban being our DC if he is fired! :mrgreen:

[Fosco33]

Chiefs got robbed just now - took away a made FG against SD - then he makes a career long 53 to win the game! Amazing for KCity!

The NFL woke up today!

[ND72]

this is one of the first times i seriously think Mike McCarthy has out coached the other Head Coach.

[Tarlam!]

time to fire up the "Fire Schotty" thread again

That's my favourite thread....

[pbmax]

Lots of people dressed as empty seats today in Joe Robbie.

[retailguy]

Ahh. The 405. Everyday for 5 1/2 years from the 101 to the 10 and then back in the evening......

Gosh. Don't miss that ONE BIT.
Ahh yes...love the 101 and 405. It sure feels weird going home and driving down the 41.[/quote]


i'm very cnfused :sad:[/quote]

The 405 is 7 lanes in EACH direction around LAX. The 41 is like a city sidestreet.... You can't even call that a freeway, once you've seen the 405.

Biggest freeway, most traffic of anyplace in Los Angeles.

[pbmax]

That's a doink and the game! Or it should be.

[ND72]

Lots of people dressed as empty seats today in Joe Robbie.


Now that made me laugh....

[FritzDontBlitz]

oh fuck.

pearson just said the pack will prolly keep passing the ball. what a genius.

[pbmax]

Is it bad karma for one kicker to root for the other to miss?

[Fosco33]

Ok, I won't hold M3 or the refs accountable anymore with that missed FG. This has been a crazy game but the coaching and play selection have more to be expected in success/fail ratios.

[billy_oliver880]

oh fuck.

pearson just said the pack will prolly keep passing the ball. what a genius.

You mean he is worse then Bill Maas or the Goose?

[mmmdk]

:cow:

[Partial]

Lots of people dressed as empty seats today in Joe Robbie.


Now that made me laugh....


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PB delivers a zinger!

[retailguy]

oh fuck.

pearson just said the pack will prolly keep passing the ball. what a genius.

You mean he is worse then Bill Maas or the Goose?


NO, but it is close.

[Partial]

Is it bad karma for one kicker to root for the other to miss?

After how ours was screwed, no way. I am glad to see Raynor out there cheering and getting into it!! Just as long as he doesn't tear an ACL celebrating a kick!!

[Partial]

is there seriously a go pack go chant in joe robbie?

[Partial]

We really should be 3-3 at this point. That is almost as many wins as last year. That pleases me.

[retailguy]

is there seriously a go pack go chant in joe robbie?


All the DolFans booed and left after the third quarter..... Just Packer fans LEFT.... Hahaha... :cool:

[Fosco33]

Ahh. The 405. Everyday for 5 1/2 years from the 101 to the 10 and then back in the evening......

Gosh. Don't miss that ONE BIT.
Ahh yes...love the 101 and 405. It sure feels weird going home and driving down the 41.


i'm very cnfused :sad:[/quote]

The 405 is 7 lanes in EACH direction around LAX. The 41 is like a city sidestreet.... You can't even call that a freeway, once you've seen the 405.

Biggest freeway, most traffic of anyplace in Los Angeles.[/quote]


2nd busiest interchange in the US. A big hill adds to a short chord in traffic by Beverly Hills/Westwood and then a ton of lanes merge into like 5 then less with construction. It's always a mess - sometimes the 101 into the Valley is enough to make me want to move. But normally, I just smoke some cigs and listen to music with the 80 sun blaring on me while hot girls drive by - it's not that bad :lol:

[ND72]

SOMEONE LET JOEY HARRINGTON THROW 53 TIMES???? AND COUNTING!

[Bub]

Jacksonville 7
Houston 27

Looks like Carroll is doing good things in Jax!

[billy_oliver880]

SOMEONE LET JOEY HARRINGTON THROW 53 TIMES???? AND COUNTING!

55 times. :crazy:

[Partial]

Our run defense is good, now if only we could get KGB to get more of a pass rush!!

[ND72]

We really should be 3-3 at this point. That is almost as many wins as last year. That pleases me.

should/could be 4-2...

[Partial]

Jacksonville 7
Houston 27

Looks like Carroll is doing good things in Jax!

What's scary is David Carr is one of the leagues highest rated passers this year!

[Partial]

We really should be 3-3 at this point. That is almost as many wins as last year. That pleases me.

should/could be 4-2...

yep

[Fosco33]

We really should be 3-3 at this point. That is almost as many wins as last year. That pleases me.

should/could be 4-2...
Exactly.

Check out my ranking system when it comes out. The Packers are underachievers - same as last year. We could/win be 4-4 and playing the Vikes in a few weeks.

[Partial]

Anyone think Poppinga is playing light years better now than he was in week 1/2? This defense is gonna be nasty in a year or so if the DBs weren't so old!

[Fosco33]

I used to have an influential teacher that loved the Fins. I like Marino. I hate Joey - they need to do something about this situation. Fire Saban and bring him to GB. Demote and shuffle defensive coaches and get rid of Shitty. :mrgreen:

[Pacopete4]

Harrington about to go over 400 yards as well.. pretty impressive considering his WR and TE drop more balls than anyone.. hes played pretty well

[Partial]

I still think Saban is one of the premiere coaches in the league. He knows football and defense better than 99% of the people in the league.

[Partial]

60 F'ing attempts. Damn!

[retailguy]

2nd busiest interchange in the US. A big hill adds to a short chord in traffic by Beverly Hills/Westwood and then a ton of lanes merge into like 5 then less with construction. It's always a mess - sometimes the 101 into the Valley is enough to make me want to move. But normally, I just smoke some cigs and listen to music with the 80 sun blaring on me while hot girls drive by - it's not that bad :lol:


Is it still 3 lanes in each direction through the sepulveda pass? That was a nightmare....

I remember getting off the freeway and taking Sepulveda blvd through the hills there and into the valley.

What a nightmare. I commuted from Camarillo/Ventura/Oxnard to Wilmington every day. Many days in the rain, it took 3+ hours to get home....

[mmmdk]

414 yards by Joey??????? :shock:

[Fosco33]

Woodson played through pain and had his best game in years. Pay Al some more cash and let him be the player from last year.


Popp did play better.

AJ did alright - some bad coverage but a few nice hits/tackles and a sack.

Poor coaching.

Questionable calls.

Two bad teams.

Our fans wouldn't have left - we may show displeasure but we'll sit there and watch it.

The announcers need to be fired.

Favre is still amazing and takes a lot of risk.

First win in Miami! Brett at 405!

GB 34

MIA 24

2-4 Packers go up against the Cards and Leiny next week - gonna be a good game. We need to get healthy quick and make a big run here.

[Tarlam!]

We won!!! :bow:

[GrnBay007]

1st PACKER WIN IN MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.packerpalace.com/palace/chuktun2.jpg


:cow: :cow: :cow: :cow:

[mmmdk]

414 yards by Joey??????? :shock:

BUT 34-24 Packer win - FIRST IN MIAMI EVER :cow: WUHUU

[Tarlam!]

With 7 game results in so far, the leading scorer of our confidence pool has 30 points.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Partial]

If they come out of this 3 game stretch 4-4, I would watch out. A young team like this is gonna be dangerous once they get hot.

[GrnBay007]

With 7 game results in so far, the leading scorer of our confidence pool has 30 points.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

lots-o-upsets today

[gbpackfan]

Joey should have 400 yards! He threw the ball over 60 times!!!!!

He is still junk!

PACKERS WIN! PACKERS WIN! PACKERS WIN!

[Tarlam!]

Poor coaching, Two bad teams.

Don't agree with these. I think we have a bad secondary. That's the only place I notice bad coaching.

[SD GB fan]

hey any update on jennings?

[Rastak]

Joey should have 400 yards! He threw the ball over 60 times!!!!!

He is still junk!

PACKERS WIN! PACKERS WIN! PACKERS WIN!


You ain't kiddin there, he does suck.

[Pacopete4]

oh.. you guys are horrible, Joey played great today without a run game even and a TON! of bad drops by WRs that helped us bad.. give credit where credit is do.

[pbmax]

414 yards by Joey??????? :shock:
Somewhere, Tank/APB is smiling and blaming Joey's teammates.

[Tarlam!]

If they come out of this 3 game stretch 4-4, I would watch out. A young team like this is gonna be dangerous once they get hot.

If we had a secondary, we wouldn't be 2-4. That needs to change.

[Fosco33]

2nd busiest interchange in the US. A big hill adds to a short chord in traffic by Beverly Hills/Westwood and then a ton of lanes merge into like 5 then less with construction. It's always a mess - sometimes the 101 into the Valley is enough to make me want to move. But normally, I just smoke some cigs and listen to music with the 80 sun blaring on me while hot girls drive by - it's not that bad :lol:


Is it still 3 lanes in each direction through the sepulveda pass? That was a nightmare....

I remember getting off the freeway and taking Sepulveda blvd through the hills there and into the valley.

What a nightmare. I commuted from Camarillo/Ventura/Oxnard to Wilmington every day. Many days in the rain, it took 3+ hours to get home....

They've expanded but the construction caused it's own nightmare for two years.

Funny story, we were coming south on the 405 north of 101 going to Sherman Oak area for lunch when the young Hispanic teens were walking the wrong way on the Northbound lanes. I've never seen a freeway get shut down quicker or so many police groups (7 squads in each) move through the side streets with more ease.

Made me feel safer knowing these guys know their shit.

I like the backroutes - griffith park through east hollywood down to santa monica and over to the 10 or La brea. I've saved a lot of hours staying away from freeways with sigalert.com!

[Partial]

414 yards by Joey??????? :shock:
Somewhere, Tank/APB is smiling and blaming Joey's teammates.

:lol:

[Iron Mike]

http://www.prizes1.com/Green%20Bay%20Packers%20Football%20Vinyl%20No%201% 20Hand.jpg

[Fosco33]

With 7 game results in so far, the leading scorer of our confidence pool has 30 points.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

Lots of last second upsets. Crazy long Field Goals. Amazing day of football.

[Chubbyhubby]

Harrington about to go over 400 yards as well.. pretty impressive considering his WR and TE drop more balls than anyone.. hes played pretty well

Packers won today's game but the 'Fins recievers hadn't dropped so many balls the Fins would have won this game!

[Rastak]

With 7 game results in so far, the leading scorer of our confidence pool has 30 points.... :shock: :shock: :shock:

Lots of last second upsets. Crazy long Field Goals. Amazing day of football.


I changed my weighting on the GB game when I thought Woodson was out....... :roll: ......I originally had them losing with a 2 and ended up with a 7 I think....

[Fosco33]

Poor coaching, Two bad teams.

Don't agree with these. I think we have a bad secondary. That's the only place I notice bad coaching.

I'll clarify. Poor secondary schemes/motivators/decisions. Poor clock management at the end of the first half. Odd calls on 2nd and 1 on consecutive series and a missed 3rd and 1. Allowing Harrington to throw all over the field and give up consecutive 4th downs when the game should've been over long before that. Some of this lies on M3 - poor discipline (penalties - especially ones using the old knoodle).

We're an average/below average team. We could be average with some luck and a better secondary - injuries have hurt this team but we've rebounded to some degree.

We had to win this one.

[Partial]

I think this team could be damn good by the end of the year Fosco. I think they have the defense to get it done, an improving secondary, and an offense that at times really looks like it can't be stopped. This team reminds me of 2003 except switching around the roles of the offense and defense.

[Iron Mike]

woah, there's only five pages of thread on JSO.

[Tarlam!]

I think M3 outcoached Saban today. Going for it on 4th and not going FG was guttsy and the real turning point.

3 rookies in the line and Green breaks one for 70. The D pressured Joey into 3 INTs.

Just my opinion...but I think there is a lot of positive stuff here.

[Partial]

Man, what an exhilerating game! As always gents it has been a hoot!!

[retailguy]

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[Fosco33]

I think this team could be damn good by the end of the year Fosco. I think they have the defense to get it done, an improving secondary, and an offense that at times really looks like it can't be stopped. This team reminds me of 2003 except switching around the roles of the offense and defense.

WR/RB/OL are big question marks. Secondary is a question mark - partly due to scheme/coaching. DL, LB are improving. The OLine is doing 'ok' but goes to max protection too often - then relying on WRs to get open and going short routes. Our running game looks better with one run of 70 by AG - without that it was pretty pathetic.

The key here was turnovers, points off turnover and ability to react to big plays.

We could be good but I'm not confident saying we're a good team - yet.

[Tarlam!]

4 posts on that other site game thread

:shock: :shock: :shock: Other site?

[Partial]

I think M3 outcoached Saban today. Going for it on 4th and not going FG was guttsy and the real turning point.

3 rookies in the line and Green breaks one for 70. The D pressured Joey into 3 INTs.

Just my opinion...but I think there is a lot of positive stuff here.

What I liked about M3 today is that he played for the win offensively. That end around on 4th down was a damn gutsy call, but the play was executed beautifully that they had to have practiced that a lot this week. It worked out beautifully too! Then, he is still chucking the rock up when a field goal will make it tough for the Dolphins to get back in it, but he wants to 100% put them away. I like it!

[Fosco33]

I think this team could be damn good by the end of the year Fosco. I think they have the defense to get it done, an improving secondary, and an offense that at times really looks like it can't be stopped. This team reminds me of 2003 except switching around the roles of the offense and defense.

3 for 13 or about that on 3rd downs - pathetic. We helped our net t/o margin this weekend.

I wanna see how this plays out in my ranking system - coming soon to the homepage I believe.

[retailguy]

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[Partial]

I think this team could be damn good by the end of the year Fosco. I think they have the defense to get it done, an improving secondary, and an offense that at times really looks like it can't be stopped. This team reminds me of 2003 except switching around the roles of the offense and defense.

3 for 13 or about that on 3rd downs - pathetic. We helped our net t/o margin this weekend.

I wanna see how this plays out in my ranking system - coming soon to the homepage I believe.

Sweet man, I look forward to reading it. Offensively the Dolphins are awful, but there defense is pretty damn good. They pretty much held Green to 2 yd/carry before the big run. What I like is that the offense still found a way to shut down Taylor and move the football. 3 of 13 is third down is not good by any means, but they did enough to win. The defense hung in their all day long and fought until the end. This team is MUCH better than the team that lost to the Bears. You can see it in how fast the offense line moves and how the lanes look bigger with each week.

[Iron Mike]

Anyone up for another Denny Green meltdown next week?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050629/050629_dennis_green_vmed.vmedium.jpg

[Tarlam!]

4 posts on that other site game thread

:shock: :shock: :shock: Other site?

Aren't you the newest member over there?

Yeah, and I have 1500 posts....

[Partial]

Just so you guys know I got the post game chat with Cleft going. He isn't around for whatever reason this afternoon and I figured we'd have questions we'd want to ask now that we might forget later. Go ahead and throw a Q or two in there!

[Iron Mike]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050629/050629_dennis_green_vmed.vmedium.jpg

Nice man-boobs, BTW.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/laughing.gif

[retailguy]

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[Partial]

hey, knock it off fellas. I didn't mean to stir up anything, I just threw it out there to give you all the due credit you deserve for making this place great.

Ask some questions for Cleft! I don't want to be the weirdo that started his weekly thread and had barely any participation from anyone else!!

[retailguy]

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[Partial]

Lets discuss the defense! Did anyone else think outisde of the INT that Poppinga played a pretty damn good game? He certainly didn't play a bad one. What huge strides he has made. I also saw him have some legendary collisions with Ronnie Brown when he was blitzing. Brown's a big back!

[FritzDontBlitz]

the two young receivers stepped up today: ruvell martin and chris francies both had nice catches to keep that final td drive alive.

also, after colledge's debacle in the first quarter the young o-linemen played quite well. plus, they sprung ahman for the 70 yard td run.

way to stand tall under pressure, kids.

watching jason taylor on nfl network. he sounds a bit pissed about the questions mentioning ahman's big td run. in fact, he sounds testy and pissed about everything.

jason, i'd rather see ya than be ya today.

[Iron Mike]

watching jason taylor on nfl network. he sounds a bit pissed about the questions mentioning ahman's big td run. in fact, he sounds testy and pissed about everything.

jason, i'd rather see ya than be ya today.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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[MadtownPacker]

the two young receivers stepped up today: ruvell martin and chris francies both had nice catches to keep that final td drive alive.
Yes they looked real good. showed they can catch. I now feeling WR will be OK if Jennings isnt out. Woodson finally earn his paycheck today, hopefully he kept earning it. Hawk was a monster and Barnett too. Rayner was sick, I aint missing longwell at all.

Great game overall and good to finally come out on the winning side. Hard fought and well deserved.

[Fosco33]

There were 74 seconds wasted by not taking timeouts at the half.

I want M3 to explain it - I've heard that he wanted just enough time to go 50 yrds and kick a FG. Jeez. I'd rather have 2 minutes or so to use.

Just a strange sequence of events that led to no points and some strange calls that the league may need to check out (almost lost KC the chance to have the game vs SD too).

Keep the whistles in your mouth and off your lips boys.

[BooHoo]

Pass defense was bad.

[GBRulz]

what's the matter, Retail? cat got your tongue today?

[retailguy]

what's the matter, Retail? cat got your tongue today?


Nah, I'm just shamelessly boosting my post count.... :wink:

[cpk1994]

oh.. you guys are horrible, Joey played great today without a run game even and a TON! of bad drops by WRs that helped us bad.. give credit where credit is do.Joey was throwing 5 yard dump offs all day. He got at least 60 yards on one play when Barnett missed a tackle. If the Pack hadn't missed a few inital tackles that would have turned a few of those 20 and 30 yard gains into 3 or 4. Harrington wouldn't have had half the yards he threw. Harringtonwas crap and only because of YAC yards does it look otherwise. I hardly give him any credit.

[GBRulz]

has anyone heard more on Jenning's injury? I hope he's ok. last I heard, they were doing xray's on his ankle.

[GBRulz]

Ok, off to being a temporary Seahawks fan :wink:

[Fosco33]

Ok, off to being a temporary Seahawks fan :wink:

Hasslebeck is out. If he's out for 6 weeks, the Packers have a much better shot of stealing one on Monday night.

[Rastak]

Ok, off to being a temporary Seahawks fan :wink:


Have fun....GO VIKES!

[J-Rok]

He's my fantasy QB. I'm going to cry and look at who's available. Anyone up for some Damon Huard?

[Badgepack]

Nice to see the Packers win a game in the 2nd half for a change.

Sure hope Jennings is OK.

How did Ruvell look?

[red]

has anyone heard more on Jenning's injury? I hope he's ok. last I heard, they were doing xray's on his ankle.

i can't find a single thing on him.

he walked off under his own power, so you would hope its not serious.

ruvell looked pretty good. he had a couple of big catches that i can remember. he did what was asked of him, and then some. can't complain about that

[GBRulz]

Ok, off to being a temporary Seahawks fan :wink:

Hasslebeck is out. If he's out for 6 weeks, the Packers have a much better shot of stealing one on Monday night.

heck, if Seattle played the way they did today, a powder puff team would beat them.

[PackerTimer]

thats twice that seattle has been handled by an NFC north team. hopefully the Pack will be the third.

[FavreChild]

The sad thing is, someone in that division will steal a playoff spot. Talk about the worst division in football...

[Partial]

The sad thing is, someone in that division will steal a playoff spot. Talk about the worst division in football...

Since Shaun Alexander is the MVP and Brett Favre is not, I reckon that the difference between Seattle with Alexander to without is greater than the difference in the Packers with or without Favre.

With Alexander AND Hasselback out, it is no wonder they aren't winning. They are a top 4 team in the league with those two in.

[FavreChild]

They are a top 4 team in the league with those two in.

Top 4 in the NFC, maybe. In the league? Not even close.

[Partial]

They are a top 4 team in the league with those two in.

Top 4 in the NFC, maybe. In the league? Not even close.

Who's better? The Broncos, the Patriots, and thats it

[FavreChild]

The Bears, Vikes, Indy, Dallas, Philly, NO, Cincy, San Diego, Denver, NE. All better than Seattle.

And if you are completely dependent on one player, you are not a good TEAM.

[Partial]

The Bears, Vikes, Indy, Dallas, Philly, NO, Cincy, San Diego, Denver, NE. All better than Seattle.

And if you are completely dependent on one player, you are not a good TEAM.

I disagree with the bottom portion of this. Without Favre, the Packers never would have made the playoffs in 1996 or 1997 with Jim McMahon quarterbacking.

The Bears might be better than them.
The Vikings are not better than them. They beat them minus their two best players.
The colts, possible.
Dallas hasn't blown anyone away this year.
Philly is good but they would lose to Seattle.
NO is not even close to for real yet and would get SMOKED by a full strength Seattle.
San Diego perhaps.
Denver yes
NE yes

[Fosco33]

Here's my list of teams better than SEA.

San Diego
Chicago
Dallas
Atlanta
New Orleans
Jacksonville
Baltimore
Indianapolis
Philadelphia
Minnesota
St. Louis
Pittsburgh
Denver
N.Y. Giants
Carolina
Cincinnati

[FavreChild]

I'm good with that list, Fosco.

Seattle's time is done.

Yes, one player can be key. But if you can't win without him, you are not good. If you want to talk about the SuperBowl Packers, we made it happen despite the rash of injuries at WR. Why? 'Cause we were a good TEAM.

[b bulldog]

Sorry but you would have to be a fool to think that the 96 team wouldn't have made the playoffs with McMahon QBing. They wouldn't have made the big game but they would have made the playoffs. The D was number one in points allowed!

[Partial]

You guys are dreaming. You're saying the team that deserved to win the superbowl ( ref screw job ) is not that good. They lost to a full strength Bears team without the most valuable player in the league. Alexander gives them 1800 yards rushing, and 25 TDs. Without him, Morris has had 35 yards rushing a game, or 560 rushing yards in a season with 0 TDs. 1300 extra yards plus 175 additional points sure make things a lot easier, don't you think?

They lost today because two of their three best players were out. This is like saying the 1996 packers without Favre and White were only an average team. Well, no kidding, superstars win games, and when 2 of their 3 were out of the game, of course they aren't going to be a dominant team.

Seahawks are the best team in the NFC at full strength. Hands down. They have the 2nd best QB in the NFC. The best running back in the league, and the best offensive line in the league. The also have a top 5 defense when they can generate a running game and aren't on the field for 40 minutes a game.

[b bulldog]

With the loss of Hutch, they no longer have the best Oline.

[Partial]

I'm good with that list, Fosco.

Seattle's time is done.

Yes, one player can be key. But if you can't win without him, you are not good. If you want to talk about the SuperBowl Packers, we made it happen despite the rash of injuries at WR. Why? 'Cause we were a good TEAM.

But they lost to "the best team in the league" when that one player was out. That is the only game they lost down one playmaker. Now that they're down two they dropped another game to a solid vikings team.

Teams win with playmakers. Seattle has 3. Two of them are out. Without being able to run the football and sustain an offense, they are no better than the Packers and their one playmaker. When they throw in two more of the best players in the league into the fray, they are a damn good team.

[esoxx]

Seahawks are the best team in the NFC at full strength. Hands down.


They were last year but not this season. Chicago has passed them by. Seattle seems to have lost their mojo this season, with or without Alexander.

[Partial]

With the loss of Hutch, they no longer have the best Oline.

Right, but they have the best offensive linemen in the league in Walter Jones. 1800 yards and 25 TD versus 560 yards and 0 TD. That is the difference right there. Now with a backup QB filling in for a premier quarterback things are only going to get worse.

But just wait, they'll be the NFC superbowl representative.

[b bulldog]

They'll never win in Chicago! The NFC will go to the BEARS unless someone knocks them out of the number one seed because at home they are a dominant team. On the road, they struggle.

[Partial]

Seahawks are the best team in the NFC at full strength. Hands down.


They were last year but not this season. Chicago has passed them by. Seattle seems to have lost their mojo this season, with or without Alexander.

They lost to the Bears ( undefeated ) and to a strong Minnesota team without their RB and QB. They're still a playoff team no matter what division they are in so far. Lets not forget they beat New York quite handedly as well as St. Louis, two teams that are of playoff calibur.

Seahawks end the season 12-4 and lose in Super Bowl to Broncos. You can quote me on that one.

[b bulldog]

The Rams and the Gmen are not dominant teams even though they have decent records and the Vikings are good but not dominant.

[Charles Woodson]

Sorry a little late, i sat close to the game and man was it Awesome... Could just be me, but i noticed a lot of players that had great games
notably woodson...Popinga played well. but what happened to jennings? Driver played like his old self

[retailguy]

Teams win with playmakers. Seattle has 3. Two of them are out. Without being able to run the football and sustain an offense, they are no better than the Packers and their one playmaker. When they throw in two more of the best players in the league into the fray, they are a damn good team.


Partial,

Seattle was well on its way to losing this game before Hasslebeck went out. Seattle never got into a rythmn in this game. I watched the WHOLE game.

Yes, having Alexander out is HUGE, but he wasn't playing particularly well BEFORE he went out injured.

Something is wrong in Seattle, and I'm pointing to the left guard. Remember, ALL the running plays were geared to go left. Shaun loved to run behind Walter Jones and Hutchison.

If they get that fixed, I believe you'll be right Partial, but thats a HUGE if right now.

Chicago is tied to Grossman at this point. He stays healthy, and I'm not sure anybody beats them. Without Grossman I think it's likely they choke in the playoffs again. Griese is too far removed from 1st team snaps to be effective.

[Bretsky]

Here's my list of teams better than SEA.

San Diego
Chicago
Dallas
Atlanta
New Orleans
Jacksonville
Baltimore
Indianapolis
Philadelphia
Minnesota
St. Louis
Pittsburgh
Denver
N.Y. Giants
Carolina
Cincinnati


Wow; IMO some of you grossly underestimate Seattle when they are all healthy.

B

[Partial]

Teams win with playmakers. Seattle has 3. Two of them are out. Without being able to run the football and sustain an offense, they are no better than the Packers and their one playmaker. When they throw in two more of the best players in the league into the fray, they are a damn good team.


Partial,

Seattle was well on its way to losing this game before Hasslebeck went out. Seattle never got into a rythmn in this game. I watched the WHOLE game.

Yes, having Alexander out is HUGE, but he wasn't playing particularly well BEFORE he went out injured.

Something is wrong in Seattle, and I'm pointing to the left guard. Remember, ALL the running plays were geared to go left. Shaun loved to run behind Walter Jones and Hutchison.

If they get that fixed, I believe you'll be right Partial, but thats a HUGE if right now.

Chicago is tied to Grossman at this point. He stays healthy, and I'm not sure anybody beats them. Without Grossman I think it's likely they choke in the playoffs again. Griese is too far removed from 1st team snaps to be effective.

Thats 'cause he was playing injured all year. They're a great team, B has it right.

[Bretsky]

Teams win with playmakers. Seattle has 3. Two of them are out. Without being able to run the football and sustain an offense, they are no better than the Packers and their one playmaker. When they throw in two more of the best players in the league into the fray, they are a damn good team.


Partial,

Seattle was well on its way to losing this game before Hasslebeck went out. Seattle never got into a rythmn in this game. I watched the WHOLE game.

Yes, having Alexander out is HUGE, but he wasn't playing particularly well BEFORE he went out injured.

Something is wrong in Seattle, and I'm pointing to the left guard. Remember, ALL the running plays were geared to go left. Shaun loved to run behind Walter Jones and Hutchison.

If they get that fixed, I believe you'll be right Partial, but thats a HUGE if right now.

Chicago is tied to Grossman at this point. He stays healthy, and I'm not sure anybody beats them. Without Grossman I think it's likely they choke in the playoffs again. Griese is too far removed from 1st team snaps to be effective.


Despite their record, Carolina, if they make it, is still a VERY dangerous playoff team.

I agree something is wrong with that OL in Seattle; Alexander wasn't tearing things up before he was injured and the OL and Morris looked downright sad.

That being said, if Hasslebeck does not go down today I still think Seattle would have won this game, and I still consider them to be a NFC playoff team that can be dangerous when all are nursed back to health.

B

[Partial]

Teams win with playmakers. Seattle has 3. Two of them are out. Without being able to run the football and sustain an offense, they are no better than the Packers and their one playmaker. When they throw in two more of the best players in the league into the fray, they are a damn good team.


Partial,

Seattle was well on its way to losing this game before Hasslebeck went out. Seattle never got into a rythmn in this game. I watched the WHOLE game.

Yes, having Alexander out is HUGE, but he wasn't playing particularly well BEFORE he went out injured.

Something is wrong in Seattle, and I'm pointing to the left guard. Remember, ALL the running plays were geared to go left. Shaun loved to run behind Walter Jones and Hutchison.

If they get that fixed, I believe you'll be right Partial, but thats a HUGE if right now.

Chicago is tied to Grossman at this point. He stays healthy, and I'm not sure anybody beats them. Without Grossman I think it's likely they choke in the playoffs again. Griese is too far removed from 1st team snaps to be effective.


Despite their record, Carolina, if they make it, is still a VERY dangerous playoff team.

I agree something is wrong with that OL in Seattle; Alexander wasn't tearing things up before he was injured and the OL and Morris looked downright sad.

That being said, if Hasslebeck does not go down today I still think Seattle would have won this game, and I still consider them to be a NFC playoff team that can be dangerous when all are nursed back to health.

B

They'll be fine once SA is healthy. I have a suspicion he was hurt all year and they didn't know it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

More times than not the team that looks the best after week 7 of the regular season does not end up the Super Bowl champion. I wouldn't write off the Seahawks yet--provided Hasselbeck isn't seriously injured and Alexander comes back at full strength. Any team can beat another team on any given Sunday, but Seattle is better than the likes of Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Minnesota, St. Louis, the Giants when they are healthy.

[Fosco33]

Seattle, injured, got their ass handed to 'em today. They got very lucky beating the Rams last week - a team the Packers had on the rope.

Injuries are part of football. Seattle's offense/defense is average. They've got Holmgren and some stars - plus the trade for Branch.

My rankings have no opinions - just following a format. If Hasslebeck is hurt seriously, this team could struggle for the next month.

Could they turn it around - definitely.

Are there teams on my list that are sleepers - for sure.

After week 10, this discussion/rankings will be more relevant.

[retailguy]

They'll be fine once SA is healthy. I have a suspicion he was hurt all year and they didn't know it.


They need more than SA. We'll see b/c he's back next week, or the following for sure.

I hope you are right Partial, I've got him in my fantasy league and it's been really tough, but I don't see it right now.

MM should be able to run behind that line and he CAN'T. Morris is a good backup, I'd venture to say he's more talented than either Morency or Herron. Probably in the top half of the league for backups.

Something is wrong in Seattle. I'm not writing them off, not by a long shot, but I don't think they are in very good shape. Pittsburg is in worse shape, but other than that, Seattle is on the ropes right now.

Seneca Wallace better be up to the challenge, and someone better get him some stilts, did you see the batted down passes? Not good.

[Partial]

They'll be fine once SA is healthy. I have a suspicion he was hurt all year and they didn't know it.


They need more than SA. We'll see b/c he's back next week, or the following for sure.

I hope you are right Partial, I've got him in my fantasy league and it's been really tough, but I don't see it right now.

MM should be able to run behind that line and he CAN'T. Morris is a good backup, I'd venture to say he's more talented than either Morency or Herron. Probably in the top half of the league for backups.

Something is wrong in Seattle. I'm not writing them off, not by a long shot, but I don't think they are in very good shape. Pittsburg is in worse shape, but other than that, Seattle is on the ropes right now.

Seneca Wallace better be up to the challenge, and someone better get him some stilts, did you see the batted down passes? Not good.

They are going to have some problems because they thought a journeyman could step in for an all-pro. I think they'll just run more to the outside and they'll be fine.

[Patler]

Alexander is at the same stage of his carrer as Ahman Green. He too might be beginning to slide.

Green is only 6 months older (2/16/77 vs. 8/30/77)
Alexander has more career rushing attempts (1782 vs. 1663)
Green has more pass receptions (321 vs. 193)

[Bossman641]

They'll be fine once SA is healthy. I have a suspicion he was hurt all year and they didn't know it.


They need more than SA. We'll see b/c he's back next week, or the following for sure.

I hope you are right Partial, I've got him in my fantasy league and it's been really tough, but I don't see it right now.

MM should be able to run behind that line and he CAN'T. Morris is a good backup, I'd venture to say he's more talented than either Morency or Herron. Probably in the top half of the league for backups.

Something is wrong in Seattle. I'm not writing them off, not by a long shot, but I don't think they are in very good shape. Pittsburg is in worse shape, but other than that, Seattle is on the ropes right now.

Seneca Wallace better be up to the challenge, and someone better get him some stilts, did you see the batted down passes? Not good.

They are going to have some problems because they thought a journeyman could step in for an all-pro. I think they'll just run more to the outside and they'll be fine.

Alexander is not an outside runner. He's not particularly quick and doesn't have a burst of explosiveness. What he has is great feet and vision. Alexander's strength is setting up his blockers, which he was able to do last year by running left and waiting for a crease to appear behind Jones/Hutchinson. He also got good downfield blocking from Jurevicius (gone) once he got into the secondary. He has struggled all year and I doubt much will change.

While I wouldn't write Seattle off yet, I think they'll have to do it behind Hasselbeck and their 4 good WR rather than behind a dominant running game.

[Partial]

They'll be fine once SA is healthy. I have a suspicion he was hurt all year and they didn't know it.


They need more than SA. We'll see b/c he's back next week, or the following for sure.

I hope you are right Partial, I've got him in my fantasy league and it's been really tough, but I don't see it right now.

MM should be able to run behind that line and he CAN'T. Morris is a good backup, I'd venture to say he's more talented than either Morency or Herron. Probably in the top half of the league for backups.

Something is wrong in Seattle. I'm not writing them off, not by a long shot, but I don't think they are in very good shape. Pittsburg is in worse shape, but other than that, Seattle is on the ropes right now.

Seneca Wallace better be up to the challenge, and someone better get him some stilts, did you see the batted down passes? Not good.

They are going to have some problems because they thought a journeyman could step in for an all-pro. I think they'll just run more to the outside and they'll be fine.

Alexander is not an outside runner. He's not particularly quick and doesn't have a burst of explosiveness. What he has is great feet and vision. Alexander's strength is setting up his blockers, which he was able to do last year by running left and waiting for a crease to appear behind Jones/Hutchinson. He also got good downfiled blocking from Jurevicius (gone) once he got into the secondary. He has stuggled all year and I doubt much will change.

While I wouldn't write Seattle off yet, I think they'll have to do it behind Hasselbeck and their 4 good WR rather than behind a dominant running game.

I am calling it, he finishes the year with 1300 yards which won't be bad considering he has been beat up all year and missed a few games now.