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packers11
10-08-2006, 10:59 PM
The front 4 on defense do a pretty decent job getting after the run but on the pass they are awful... On Bulger's second touchdown he had all day to throw.... KGB should learn a different move then just running foward... Ever heard of .. Spinning? or atleast trying to put a move on the guy....
THEY CATCH ON AFTER AWHILE BABY EINSTEIN...

The defensive tackles don't seem to do much but more than the DE's which is pathetic... And Kampman is either in the game, or so far out of the game you would not even know if he is watching it at home....

Thoughts??
Partial
10-08-2006, 11:03 PM
Schemeatically the DTs are supposed to keept the ends one on one with the tackles. They're doing a fine job.

I thought Kampman played a pretty decent game, and KGB was against one of the best in Orlando Pace.
vince
10-08-2006, 11:08 PM
The front 4 on defense do a pretty decent job getting after the run but on the pass they are awful... On Bulger's second touchdown he had all day to throw.... KGB should learn a different move then just running foward... Ever heard of .. Spinning? or atleast trying to put a move on the guy....
THEY CATCH ON AFTER AWHILE BABY EINSTEIN...

The defensive tackles don't seem to do much but more than the DE's which is pathetic... And Kampman is either in the game, or so far out of the game you would not even know if he is watching it at home....

Thoughts??
It's awfully important to stop the run, and that has to be the first priority, but there's no question that a DE pass rusher needs to be the top defensive priority this offseason.

To me, Kampman and KGB have the complementary talents to man one spot between the two of them. Perhaps KGB requires too much effort on running downs to be effective on passing downs. He should be a passing-down specialist IMO. If he comes in the game fresh, he would make a good change of pace pass rusher for Kampman. A full-time DE that can play the run and pass is needed.

That would make a HUGE difference for this D.
packers11
10-08-2006, 11:12 PM
With dwight freeny hitting fa next year, could he be the next reggie white for gb??? Could he be one of the missing keys?? I know we will have a lot of cap next year because the way T.T. handled some contracts (Woodson's -10mill this year).... Which was smart...
OR
would the packers draft thier DE they are looking for since the draft looks very strong for that position...
Cheesehead Craig
10-09-2006, 09:09 AM
The Packers are average against the run, that's it. They are not great and they do not "stuff" the run either. It's nice to say that stopping the run is a huge priority, but if teams can get over 270 yds/game passing with the QB having all day to throw, that's a huge DL problem.
run pMc
10-09-2006, 10:05 AM
Dwight Freeney is a good player, but he's undersized like KGB and plays indoors on turf. I also think he's out of TT's price range. Finally, he's no Reggie White.
Those types of players are once a generation types, and in this era would never make it to FA.
Tony Oday
10-09-2006, 10:19 AM
Again I saw KGB do his job. He took on Pace adn was usually doubled by either a TE/RB/Or Guard. That is what he is supposed to do. He eats up blockers so Kamp/Jenkins/Williams and the blitzers only have to beat one guy.
Pack_Attack
10-09-2006, 10:34 AM
we need DT, Alan Branch from Michigan next year! He is 330 and is an absolute beast! He moves like a LB....
Freak Out
10-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Does anyone know how many times we blitzed Bulger yesterday? I would have liked to have seen a few more called. Bulger cannot move so why not?
Merlin
10-09-2006, 01:16 PM
I do know this much, KGB was a better DE when he was only used on 3rd down. Yesterday on 2-3rd on long's a least, KGB wasn't even on the field. I think rotating that position is key because the tackles can't get used to one style vs. another. Kampman is a bull rusher with zero finess. KGB is a quick around the edge kind of rusher finess guy. I don't know who we have to take their place but I would venture to say they aren't very good otherwise Kampman and KGB would be off the field more then they are. I love Kampman but even he has to get tired out there.
ahaha
10-09-2006, 01:45 PM
I think our D-line is decent, not great but not bad. The packers are tied for 6th in the NFL with 14 sacks, and I think all were by the D-line except for 1 by Hawk. They are 11th in pass attempts faced per game with 33.2 which is only 1.2 more than #15 Carolina. Horrible mix-ups in the secondary are the biggest problem with this defense. Basically, the packers are like a lot of the teams in the NFL in that if they could add just one special guy on the D-line, it could be dominant.
Cheesehead Craig
10-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Dwight Freeney is a good player, but he's undersized like KGB and plays indoors on turf. I also think he's out of TT's price range. Finally, he's no Reggie White.
Those types of players are once a generation types, and in this era would never make it to FA.
Freeney is a very good DE. 35% of his sacks over the last 4 years came on the road so it's not like he only gets sacks at home. Every player does better at home vs the road. Would love to have him and trade KGB, but as you said, he's out of TT's price range and I doubt he would come here.
ahaha
10-09-2006, 05:04 PM
Nice sig Cheesehead Craig. We should all bow down to Noah Herron and bask in his everlasting glow.
Fritz
10-09-2006, 05:48 PM
I think the single biggest difference-maker the Packers could pick up next year would be a DT or DE who consistently pressures the QB. A pocket-collapsing monster or a DE who's so fast he's at the QB before the guy can set.

The secondary would suddenly improve, guaranteed.
Ballboy
10-09-2006, 05:58 PM
stop sugar coating it.

If anyone watched the game last week vs the eagles, the bears or other top teams in the league. YOU NEED TO SEND more than 4 people.

Several times in the Eagle Dallas game, when it was 3rd and more than 6, you can bet you were getting 5-7 players on the blitz. This, mind you, was with some no-name DB and Lito Sheppard returning after 3 weeks on the DL. ANY NFL QB will complete passes when we have no pressure.

I'd much rather go down fighting, take chance that Harris and Woodson can cover for 3sec....as other posters have said, he had all day to throw....you cannot expect DB to cover a WR for more than 5sec in the NFL, it just doesn't happen very often.
Fritz
10-09-2006, 06:09 PM
Ballboy, don't you remember that Indy game last year where the Packers sent everybody and their mother and their mother's brother at Peyton Manning, who then casually picked the secondary apart? I'm all up for aggressive defense but when this team blitzes it seems to get picked up way too often.
Ballboy
10-09-2006, 06:23 PM
Read what I said,,,I'd take my chances.

We have upgraded(how much?) with Woodson, Collins is better and the LB are better.

Bulger isn't Manning
Holt & Bruce are not Harrison & Wayne...even in their prime.
Fritz
10-09-2006, 06:57 PM
I just don't have much faith in the blitz schemes. They usually get picked up.
packinpatland
10-09-2006, 07:58 PM
Maybe KGB should look at some old Reggie film. Now, that man had moves!
Tony Oday
10-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Maybe KGB should look at some old Reggie film. Now, that man had moves!

Lol I never remember any moves save for the "I dont care how big you are I can throw you with one arm!" and the "see this arm? I use it like Og used a tree branch to kill piggies!" :)
superfan
10-10-2006, 01:36 AM
Still scratching my head about why we appeared to be blitzing frequently on first down and sitting back in quarters on third and long. And on at least one occasion, on third and long, Kampman was downfield chasing a receiver. With no obvious blitz taking place.

Again, it seems to come down to coaching. This is one of the least cohesive defensive units I've ever seen. Each guy seems to be doing his own thing out there.
Guiness
10-10-2006, 04:38 AM
Maybe KGB should look at some old Reggie film. Now, that man had moves!

Lol I never remember any moves save for the "I dont care how big you are I can throw you with one arm!" and the "see this arm? I use it like Og used a tree branch to kill piggies!" :)

:mrgreen: very true Tony. He was a powerful guy. Especially late in his career, he was a pure bullrusher, but there seemed to be little that opponents could do against it. You would occasionally see him use a swim move, but that's it.

Man, some of those tackles must've had ringing ears after games...I wonder how many concussions he actually gave people with that club?
Guiness
10-10-2006, 04:44 AM
As far as spelling KGB, people have been talking about that for the pas 2 1/2 seasons - but either the coaches aren't willing, or they don't feel the alternatives are capable enough. We're damn lucky neither him or Kamp have gotten hurt (*Guiness crosses himself) these past few years, with the reps they're playing.

I thought Montgomry would be the guy to do it this year. He saw some of the field this week - anyone know approx how many snaps?

BTW who said Kampman disappeared this week? He had three solo tackles (and three assists) plus a sack. A lot of teams would kill for a guy who disappears like that each week!
packinpatland
10-10-2006, 07:21 AM
What constitutes a 'move'?