To All Favre Doubters

[Merlin]

As I stated in my weekly rant, the amount of Packer fans calling for Rodgers to start over Favre because Favre just isn't cutting it anymore is astonishing. So I took a look at all teams that had one or zero losses and their QB's. I believe that you will find it as interesting that I did that Favre is right in there with the supposedly best QB's in the game, yet he is 1-4. Here they are in no particular order:

Name Att Comp Comp% Yards TD's INT Record
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Peyton Manning 171 106 62 1278 8 2 5-0
Tom Brady 162 88 54.3 1031 8 3 4-1
Matt Hasselbeck 125 77 61.6 854 6 7 3-1
Micheal Vick 90 45 50 522 3 2 3-1
Phillip Rivers 105 70 66.7 730 5 2 3-1
Carson Palmer 120 75 62.5 914 6 4 3-1
Rex Grossman 152 93 61.2 1243 10 3 5-0
Jake Plummer 110 57 51.8 673 3 5 3-1
Donavan McNabb 176 103 58.5 1602 11 1 4-1
Drew Brees 170 111 65.3 1234 5 2 4-1
Marc Bulger 169 102 60.4 1259 7 0 4-1
Steve McNair 165 93 56.4 911 5 6 4-1
Brett Favre 203 115 56.7 % 1275 7 5 1-4

So, tell me again how Favre is the problem?

[Zool]

Name Att Comp Comp% Yards TD's INT Record
--------------- --- ---- ------ ----- ---- --- -------
Peyton Manning 171 106 62 1278 8 2 5-0
Tom Brady 162 88 54.3 1031 8 3 4-1
Matt Hasselbeck 125 77 61.6 854 6 7 3-1
Micheal Vick 90 45 50 522 3 2 3-1
Phillip Rivers 105 70 66.7 730 5 2 3-1
Carson Palmer 120 75 62.5 914 6 4 3-1
Rex Grossman 152 93 61.2 1243 10 3 5-0
Jake Plummer 110 57 51.8 673 3 5 3-1
Donavan McNabb 176 103 58.5 1602 11 1 4-1
Drew Brees 170 111 65.3 1234 5 2 4-1
Marc Bulger 169 102 60.4 1259 7 0 4-1
Steve McNair 165 93 56.4 911 5 6 4-1
Brett Favre 203 115 56.7 1275 7 5 1-4

Ok so i was bored

[MJZiggy]

Thank you, Zool.

Merlin, you apologist!! I'm just kidding. I've always thought people who want to give up our best qb to put in the far-inferior second best, especially in a year when so many others are just starting and unsure of themselves is just silliness. So is the notion that TT didn't wet himself with joy when he heard that Favre was coming back. Even in rebuilding, you still leave in place the pieces that work...

[Rastak]

QB ratings for NFC QB's.....

1 Donovan McNabb PHI 107.2
2 Rex Grossman CHI 100.8
3 Marc Bulger STL 97.2
4 Eli Manning NYG 97.1
5 Drew Brees NO 91.6
6 Mark Brunell WAS 90.8
7 Alex Smith SF 85.2
8 Kurt Warner ARI 81.9
9 Jake Delhomme CAR 81.9
10 Jon Kitna DET 78.6
11 Brad Johnson MIN 78.3
12 Brett Favre GB 76.7
13 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 74.6
14 Michael Vick ATL 69.8
15 Drew Bledsoe DAL 63.6
16 Chris Simms TB 46.3

[mmmdk]

Favre is not the problem but I am worried about the 56.7% completion rate - that's very un-Favre like numbers. Favre did screw up on the last drive vs the Saints and had 4 or 5 bad throws troughout the game vs the Rams. The sack and fumble vs Rams was NOT on Favre. Awful protection, just awful and that's sad as the OL played above average the whole game vs Rams.

So the question is; why can't Favre connect on more than 56.7% of his passes? I say that the Packers TEs are either over the hill or just too involved in the pass protection scheme that Favre has few options and hence the opposite defense keep more guys to cover Packer receivers. Favre can still connect. Who needs to blitz Packers when you can walk all over the OL on that last play vs Rams last sunday? Well, you don't, you just cover what few options Favre has to throw to. I believe Packers will do better in the future though.

[MadtownPacker]

DD dropping all his damn passes has to be a huge part of that low completion % since he is getting plenty of passes his way.

[woodbuck27]

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:

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QB ratings for NFC QB's.....

1 Donovan McNabb PHI 107.2
2 Rex Grossman CHI 100.8
3 Marc Bulger STL 97.2
4 Eli Manning NYG 97.1
5 Drew Brees NO 91.6
6 Mark Brunell WAS 90.8
7 Alex Smith SF 85.2
8 Kurt Warner ARI 81.9
9 Jake Delhomme CAR 81.9
10 Jon Kitna DET 78.6
11 Brad Johnson MIN 78.3
12 Brett Favre GB 76.7 .... Courtesy of Rastak

Not sure Rastak, what your point is? Yet... here's my response:

ARE YOU READY FOR THIS ??


Now let's examine " the facts " on " that Man - Favre's " QB Rating...

being 76.7:

Peyton Manning 171 106 62 1278 8 2 5-0
Tom Brady 162 88 54.3 1031 8 3 4-1
Matt Hasselbeck 125 77 61.6 854 6 7 3-1
Micheal Vick 90 45 50 522 3 2 3-1
Phillip Rivers 105 70 66.7 730 5 2 3-1
Carson Palmer 120 75 62.5 914 6 4 3-1
Rex Grossman 152 93 61.2 1243 10 3 5-0
Jake Plummer 110 57 51.8 673 3 5 3-1

Donavan McNabb 176 103 58.5 1602 11 1 4-1 (#1 QB Rating to date)

Drew Brees 170 111 65.3 1234 5 2 4-1
Marc Bulger 169 102 60.4 1259 7 0 4-1
Steve McNair 165 93 56.4 911 5 6 4-1

Brett Favre 203 115 56.7 % 1275 7 5 1-4

Because OUR Running game has been not as we need Favre has:

Had to pass more than an average 40 pass's a game. That is too many pass's'game and he told us that.

Favre said... it should never be >35 pass's /game.

Examining it closer:

** Favre's 203 pass attempts in only 5 games leads the NFL, as he did at the completion of 2005.

** The nearest any Starting QB is to Brett Favre's 203 pass's is Donavan McNabb at 176 passing attempts or 27 less. McNabb makes an average of 176/5 = 35.2 pass's / Game and his team has a solid and experienced OL and a fella in the backfield named Brian Westbrook.

Donovan McNabb leads the NFL in QB Rating at 107.2. he has 11 TD pass's and only 1 pick.

** Favre has 7 TD pass's and 5 picks... or an average of one TO charged against him and the Green Bay Packers per game. At this rate Brett Favre will have 16 picks charged against him at the completion of 2006.That is considerably less than what we experienced with Brett Favre in 2005 when he was charged with 29 picks.

That is... based on that projection... an 81,25 % improvement over 2005.

** It's obvious to any Packer fan that is realistically viewing Brett Favre; that his game management in regards to protecting the ball .. is vastly improved this season over last.

** I'm not done.

What again this season ,do we experience as Favre's weapons?

Because the running game isn't up to speed, or at least consistent to this point in the season. Brett Favre has been forced to operate too often out of the shotgun and not been able to utilize the element of surprize in terms of "the play action - option".

I see signs of an improvement there.

a) I see OUR inexperienced OL, ahead of schedule in regards to opening up holes for whomever is OUR RB.

We hoped that by midseason that this inexperienced OL ...with the new ZBS... that impacts OUR tackles Clifton and Tauscher would "in Fact' give us some REAL game and maybe after the bye week we'll realize more of what I saw in game 5.

WE literally tossed game 5 away as we had over the top enough (especially in terms of Favre's performance ) to win.

We saw Noah Herron show us just how hungry he is to be OUR RB. I was impressed with Noah Herron. RB Noah Herron busted his ass in game 5.

** #1 RB Ahman Green still not 100%, and will he ever be?

I'l also toss this in there.

WR's and how many has Favre had as ready/reliable options there.

Let's see it 'in TRUTH".

Donald Driver playing far less than 100%, as he got rocked in game 4.

Greg Jennings looking good but man o man his drops, and what else would we expect from a Rookie.

OUR GM Ted Thompson runs al the way again with...
" HIS DRAFT PICK " HIS MAN. WAY TO GO ...Ted !!

This time. :mrgreen:

Let's PLAY...Who's the #3 WR?

It sure hasn't been Robert Ferguson who's as close to "a no show " that I've experienced as a Packer fan.

Does RF need to go to Houston? Isn't that real close to HOME? DAM... he disappoints me.

Koren Robinson is just now beginning to lean OUR playbook and attempt to add to OUR "O".

Ruvell Martin. Hasn't seen a down!! Come On Mike McCarthy dress and use this taller WR. Give him a chance.

TE's and FB's and the passing game!!

Do I need to remind YOU of how badly they have performed and why?

It's my impression that they have had to be overused in a protection capacity to avoid Brett Favre getting seriously injured.Still his ass hits the turf too often.The man has to too often scramblr for any play to open up with too few options after the first and second read.

FB's and TE's blocking too much.

The ZBS is OK ...but to date we are seeing OUR OL on the ground with the Bad guys DLman and the Bad Guys LBer's/Safetys/CB's free to close down Favre and "the pass".

Why?

TE's and FB's having to block as a primary assignment and not therefore available for Favre to pass to.

If there is one reason to think of using Aaron Rodgers it's to take advantage of any running ability he has.I still want to see favre move his buns upfield more if an opening exists.

:idea: I hated to bring that into it... as YOU anti- favre Packer fans willleap all over that. LOL :mrgreen: Fill your boots.


Why did we lose game 5 then?

:idea:

I felt that loss, had to do more with too MANY DROPPED PASS's AGAIN in another game, than any other negative performance factor.

Is that... (drops) on Brett Favre? NOPE !! :mrgreen:

Now let's examine Favre QB Rating just in terms of drops.

Favre has performed thus:

203 attempts and 115 completions or 56.7 % for a totle of 1275 yards and 7 TD's.

QB Rating = 76.7

I'll ask y'all these questions:

1. How have all the drops in OUR games...YOU witnessed them as I did impacted Favre's QB rating?

2. How did those drops affect OUR ability to move the ball and score? How did that affect favre's QB rating?

3. See any drops in the endzone? I did. How would that drop, that should otherwise have been a TD impact Favre's QB rating?

NOW . . . GOING RIGHT THERE !!

Brett Favre's current QB Rating again = 76.7

A Model:

If Favre had... "in fact'...half way to what he is at in pass attempts and his targeted 35 pass's /game?

*** That would translate to 37.5 X 5 = 187 attempts

If all receivers had caught 2 more pass's /game his completions would rise fr. 115...

*** to 125 completions.

If those drops had instead translated to completion/s at 7 yards/ catch.

The toral yards passing rises... from an already impressive total of 1275 yards (3rd in NFL? and compares to Peyton Manning's total of 1278)

Therefore + 70 yards = 1345 yards or second to Donovan McNabb.

*** Lets add... 1 more TD.

Recall DD's drop in game 4 and Bubba's and Jennings drop's for sure TD's in game 5. We'll not consider any other's this season.

*** Staying with 5 Picks

So given all that:

We would have Brett Favre Stat's at:

125/187 an impressive 66.84 % for 1345 Yards and 8 TD's - 5 picks.

All that yields a QB Rating of:

[b]90.88 or the 100% percentile.

By the way after 6 games last season that's exactly what all his hard work showed.After 6 games he led the NFL in TD's with 14 and his QB Rating was an impressive 92+.

if the Model was revised to add 2 more TD's to a tolol of 9 from 7.

QB RATING = 92.66

Link for NFL QB Rating calculator:

http://home.new.rr.com/rosslahaye/

Brett favre is playing very very well Packer fans... and the least of OUR concerns on Offense.

He capably leading OUR Team with all he's got to work with. $$ with all he's got.

$$ - That's ALOT !!! :mrgreen:

Ignore the anti - Brett Favre clowns !

GO BRETT FAVRE ! In YOU I TRUST.

[Merlin]

First let me say that the QB rating system is a horrible way to judge a QB. Second, Favre leads the NFL in attempts and completions. I figure we have had at least 5 drops a game with maybe the exception of the last one. So add another 25 completions to his total and that brings him up 68% which is way higher then his career average. He is doing just fine IMO.

[woodbuck27]

First let me say that the QB rating system is a horrible way to judge a QB. Second, Favre leads the NFL in attempts and completions. I figure we have had at least 5 drops a game with maybe the exception of the last one. So add another 25 completions to his total and that brings him up 68% which is way higher then his career average. He is doing just fine IMO.

Straight ON Packer fan !!

[mmmdk]

DD dropping all his damn passes has to be a huge part of that low completion % since he is getting plenty of passes his way.

Oh, I forgot about DD. Hope he rebounds soon. I believe it's injury related.

[MJZiggy]

I'd agree with that. He was fine before he got clobbered and all indications say he was still sore last week. Let's see what happens when he's had some time and distance from that hit.

[Rastak]

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:

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QB ratings for NFC QB's.....

1 Donovan McNabb PHI 107.2
2 Rex Grossman CHI 100.8
3 Marc Bulger STL 97.2
4 Eli Manning NYG 97.1
5 Drew Brees NO 91.6
6 Mark Brunell WAS 90.8
7 Alex Smith SF 85.2
8 Kurt Warner ARI 81.9
9 Jake Delhomme CAR 81.9
10 Jon Kitna DET 78.6
11 Brad Johnson MIN 78.3
12 Brett Favre GB 76.7 .... Courtesy of Rastak

Not sure Rastak, what your point is? Yet... here's my response:



There wasn't a point, I was just posting NFC QB ratings and they are what they are. I don't write 'em, I just post 'em from NFL.com.

[packrulz]

I don't think the Packers are as bad as last year. This year the teams that beat them were the Bears, Saints, Eagles, and Rams, and they all have decent if not great defenses. Favre has had time to throw aside from breakdowns at critical times, the running game is improving, guys are dropping and fumbling the ball too much, that's not Brett's fault. If they can catch the ball and stop fumbling they won't have to play from behind all the time. Imagine what could be if the recievers and the guys on defense start catching the ball. Hawk, Woodson, & Harris all dropped catchable would be inteceptions. It's a team effort.

[HarveyWallbangers]

There wasn't a point, I was just posting NFC QB ratings and they are what they are. I don't write 'em, I just post 'em from NFL.com.

His point was Brad Johnson was a hair better than Brett Favre in QB ratings, and that's fair. Although I'll take a 7 TDs to 5 picks ratio and 56 completion % over a 3 TDs to 4 picks ratio and 60 completion %, but the QB ratings often favor a certain type of throw (high completion % is big). I'm not sure if the Vikings receivers have the drops that the Packers have had. I know Troy Williamson has at times, but Green Bay's drops are up this year. Favre doesn't seem quite as accurate in years past, but they did play a couple of games in windy conditions at Lambeau. I've been to windy games in Lambeau and that means swirling winds and a tough day to throw. Favre hasn't been great, but he hasn't been awful. It would help if they cut down on the drops and had a better running game, but he can't complain about protection--because that has been solid.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think the Packers are as bad as last year. This year the teams that beat them were the Bears, Saints, Eagles, and Rams, and they all have decent if not great defenses. Favre has had time to throw aside from breakdowns at critical times, the running game is improving, guys are dropping and fumbling the ball too much, that's not Brett's fault. If they can catch the ball and stop fumbling they won't have to play from behind all the time.

I think they are better, but mainly because the young guys have performed better than my expectations. I think that's a good sign. Of course, some of the veterans have played worse, and the defensive coaching staff has been much worse.

[mraynrand]

The best way to assess a starting QB is to ONLY watch HIM during games. Magnify everything he does wrong and pay no attention to anything that goes right. Don't watch and/or remember mistakes made by defenders or other players on offense. After a loss, only focus on INTs and poorly thrown balls. Most important: never watch other QBs play an entire game - just watch their highlights on ESPN. Did you see Vince Young run it in against the Colts? Did you see McNabb throw that TD bomb on the run against the Cowboys? Why can't Favre do that? HE SUCKS!

[Rastak]

There wasn't a point, I was just posting NFC QB ratings and they are what they are. I don't write 'em, I just post 'em from NFL.com.

His point was Brad Johnson was a hair better than Brett Favre in QB ratings, and that's fair. Although I'll take a 7 TDs to 5 picks ratio and 56 completion % over a 3 TDs to 4 picks ratio and 60 completion %, but the QB ratings often favor a certain type of throw (high completion % is big). I'm not sure if the Vikings receivers have the drops that the Packers have had. I know Troy Williamson has at times, but Green Bay's drops are up this year. Favre doesn't seem quite as accurate in years past, but they did play a couple of games in windy conditions at Lambeau. I've been to windy games in Lambeau and that means swirling winds and a tough day to throw. Favre hasn't been great, but he hasn't been awful. It would help if they cut down on the drops and had a better running game, but he can't complain about protection--because that has been solid.


Marcus Robinson dropped a friggen sure 40-50 yard TD against Buffalo, right in his damn hands. Viking recievers have a had a BUNCH of drops, but Johnson has also beed inacurate at times.

[woodbuck27]

:idea: FLAT OUT !!! :idea:

I am certain that at this point and given the way OUR TEAM has looked in five games...

BRETT FAVRE IS OUR BEST PLAYER OVERALL and BEST and ONLY REAL CHANCE OF WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES.

END OF STORY. :mrgreen:

[Fosco33]

The best way to assess a starting QB is to ONLY watch HIM during games. Magnify everything he does wrong and pay no attention to anything that goes right. Don't watch and/or remember mistakes made by defenders or other players on offense. After a loss, only focus on INTs and poorly thrown balls. Most important: never watch other QBs play an entire game - just watch their highlights on ESPN. Did you see Vince Young run it in against the Colts? Did you see McNabb throw that TD bomb on the run against the Cowboys? Why can't Favre do that? HE SUCKS!

Classic :lol:

I was at a national conference this week and made many coworkers feel retarded b/c they believed ESPN and the national media.

[woodbuck27]

The best way to assess a starting QB is to ONLY watch HIM during games. Magnify everything he does wrong and pay no attention to anything that goes right. Don't watch and/or remember mistakes made by defenders or other players on offense. After a loss, only focus on INTs and poorly thrown balls. Most important: never watch other QBs play an entire game - just watch their highlights on ESPN. Did you see Vince Young run it in against the Colts? Did you see McNabb throw that TD bomb on the run against the Cowboys? Why can't Favre do that? HE SUCKS!

Oooo Kaaa :mrgreen: !