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Farley Face
10-23-2006, 04:44 PM
Anyone know who this guy is? He's showing on the Pack roster.

Farley Face
10-23-2006, 04:48 PM
Anyone know who this guy is? He's showing on the Pack roster.

WR from Portland State I guess. On the 53 Man Roster, not the Practice Squad.

Was with Detroit.

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=390&season=8

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 04:48 PM
PRO: Bodiford, who was signed by the Lions as an undrafted free agent on May 4, is one of two rookie free agents to make the Lions opening day roster. After a tremendous training camp, Bodiford is expected to see time this season not only at the wide receiver position, but also as a kick returner and punt returner for the special teams.

2006:
• Inactive due to a knee injured suffered in training camp for first two weeks of regular season (SEA 9/10, at Chi 9/17 and GB 9/24).
• Played in his first game as a pro at St. Louis (10/01), seeing time in offensive sets.
• Recorded two special teams tackles at Minnesota (10/8).

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=390&season=8

Lurker64
10-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Well, according to the internet, he appears to be (have been?) on the Lions roster. If he's on the roster, I'm not sure how we could have gotten him, but from what I'm reading about the kid he's got a high motor and had an outstanding training camp but has been injured this season (he's a rookie.)

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 04:52 PM
He is not currently on their active roster. I peeked at it.

Farley Face
10-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Well, according to the internet, he appears to be (have been?) on the Lions roster. If he's on the roster, I'm not sure how we could have gotten him, but from what I'm reading about the kid he's got a high motor and had an outstanding training camp but has been injured this season (he's a rookie.)

Fergy to IR, Bodiford signed off waivers.

Farley Face
10-23-2006, 04:54 PM
He is not currently on their active roster. I peeked at it.

Peek again! :?

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 05:02 PM
http://www.detroitlions.com/roster.cfm

Nope. He's not there.

Farley Face
10-23-2006, 05:04 PM
http://www.detroitlions.com/roster.cfm

Nope. He's not there.

No, I mean the Pack roster, not the Lions. The active Pack roster.

Willard
10-23-2006, 05:11 PM
Fergie went on IR. This just in....

MONDAY, Oct. 23, 2006, 4:55 p.m.
By Tom Silverstein

Packers claim Bodiford, put Ferguson on IR
Green Bay - Seeking insurance in case injured rookie Greg Jennings can't play this week, the Green Bay Packers claimed wide receiver Shaun Bodiford on waivers from the Detroit Lions Monday.

Bodiford, a 5-foot-11, 186-pound undrafted rookie out of Portland State, played in three games for the Lions this season, serving mostly on special teams. He was released over the weekend and the Packers put in a claim and were granted his services.

In college, Bodiford, 24, averaged 24.1 yards per kickoff return and caught 51 passes for 545 yards and five touchdowns last year.

To make room for Bodiford, the Packers placed wide receiver Robert Ferguson on injured reserve, thus ending his season. Ferguson suffered a foot injury against the Philadelphia Eagles Oct. 2 and hasn't played since.

After seeing a number of specialists, the Packers determined that he wouldn't be able to come back this year and decided to fill his spot. Ferguson, a second-round pick in 2001, has missed nine of 64 games over the past four seasons because of injury and has had difficulty staying healthy his entire career.

This season, he lost his starting job to Jennings, a second-round pick, during training camp and was serving as the No. 3 receiver until his injury. He had five catches for 31 yards and a touchdown in four games.

Jennings injured his ankle against the Miami Dolphins Sunday and might not be available this week against Arizona. Coach Mike McCarthy said the ankle is not broken and that Jennings suffered a sprain.

red
10-23-2006, 05:23 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 05:25 PM
What vets?

red
10-23-2006, 05:28 PM
What vets?

anyone thats been in the league for more then 5 weeks

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 05:29 PM
Name one.

Patler
10-23-2006, 05:32 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

ANYONE that you sign at this point, even a vet, is a cast off from another team. If what has been written about Bodiford holds true, he is a decent kick returner and is decent on special teams. That is what Ferguson was to the Packers, and that is what they have to replace. His receptions will be picked up by Martin and Francies.

Lurker64
10-23-2006, 05:35 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

Because the Packers aren't low enough on the waiver list to sign any of the myriad hall of famers that are getting cut every week.

Rastak
10-23-2006, 05:36 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

ANYONE that you sign at this point, even a vet, is a cast off from another team. If what has been written about Bodiford holds true, he is a decent kick returner and is decent on special teams. That is what Ferguson was to the Packers, and that is what they have to replace. His receptions will be picked up by Martin and Francies.


I do see Red's point, does every guy he signs need to be a rookie? He has tons of them already, there must be somebody out there that can join the team and at least be a #4 guy and maybe teach the younger players something.

red
10-23-2006, 05:39 PM
Name one.

i can't find a stupid list

patler, any help?

there has to be some guys with some nfl experience out there. IMO, it sure seems like tt is only willing to grab those available guys that are undrafted rookies

red
10-23-2006, 05:42 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

ANYONE that you sign at this point, even a vet, is a cast off from another team. If what has been written about Bodiford holds true, he is a decent kick returner and is decent on special teams. That is what Ferguson was to the Packers, and that is what they have to replace. His receptions will be picked up by Martin and Francies.


I do see Red's point, does every guy he signs need to be a rookie? He has tons of them already, there must be somebody out there that can join the team and at least be a #4 guy and maybe teach the younger players something.

thank you

someone sees my point

Lurker64
10-23-2006, 05:43 PM
I do see Red's point, does every guy he signs need to be a rookie? He has tons of them already, there must be somebody out there that can join the team and at least be a #4 guy and maybe teach the younger players something.

I think, though, that since the Packers are (barring some weird doings in the league) more or less out of the playoff hunt, we're better off signing somebody who has upside than somebody who's washed up. The guy with upside might become a quality performer with the team in the future, or at the very least (if he has a motor) will step up competition for roster spots come next offseason forcing everybody else to be better. Better that than somebody just taking up space on a roster because they've pulled a paycheck for a while in this league.

"Experience" is as ephemeral and inconstant as "Potential." You don't sign a guy solely because they have one of the two. By everything I'm reading, Bodiford is hard working, competitive, tough, and runs a 4.5. I don't think we're really losing anything by picking up this guy. It's not like he was raised by wolves on the savannah and has never seen a football before. He was an undrafted free agent who made a roster on a team that was loaded with talent at Wide Receiver. That says a lot to me, at least.

Plus according to his bio on the Portland State webpage, one of his hobbies is "collecting hats." How can you not like a guy who collects hats?

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 05:47 PM
Bodiford is 24 years old and made the Lions roster. He was not a training camp cut. He is only on the street because of an injury. Considering what's out there, he may be the best available and that IS what you want TT to get, isn't it? I'd rather have the best available than some dude who's out of the league because he sucks but has a couple years under his belt so he must be more valuable.

Lurker64
10-23-2006, 05:50 PM
Also, he knows the playbook for a Lions team we're still going to play later in the year. That has to count for something.

vince
10-23-2006, 06:27 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?

Rastak
10-23-2006, 06:30 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?


I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.

red
10-23-2006, 06:40 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?

right now i wouldn't mind having those guys back

once again, just like last year, we are stuck in a desperate situation at a very important position, and like wolf said last year, this year we are fixing the problem with NFL europe talent.

the exception last year was rod gardner, and he did half way decent at what he was brought into be, a #3 wr

Bretsky
10-23-2006, 06:46 PM
To try to win now

or

To try find talent that might further develop later

that is the question.

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 06:48 PM
I'll take both, please.

vince
10-23-2006, 06:48 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?


I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.
It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?

vince
10-23-2006, 06:51 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?

right now i wouldn't mind having those guys back

once again, just like last year, we are stuck in a desperate situation at a very important position, and like wolf said last year, this year we are fixing the problem with NFL europe talent.

the exception last year was rod gardner, and he did half way decent at what he was brought into be, a #3 wr
After seeing their limited action just last week, I'll take Martin and Francies.

Why do you assume that, after working with these guys for months in the offseason, the coaches and scouts can't see that they aren't better than Gardner? Boerigter was CLEARLY worse. I could have seen that.

Rastak
10-23-2006, 06:52 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?


I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.
It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?


Well, I'm 100% sure I won't convince you of my position. I don't think it's a bad thing to get guys you think have potential and are young...but not 100% of the time...mix in a vet once in a while....maybe Ted is a genius and these guys will really produce....

Bretsky
10-23-2006, 06:52 PM
Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?

Joemailman
10-23-2006, 06:54 PM
With K-Rob and Fergy gone, TT may have signed Bodiford for his KR ability as much as his pass receiving. I don't think you'd want to see Charles Rogers or David Boston returning kicks.

vince
10-23-2006, 06:57 PM
Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?
I'd have to say, PROBABLY, or we wouldn't have signed him. Eh?

Sorry, B, I missed the second half of your post. Yes, I think Francies showed some things to the staff, and they have a real good idea about what he can do - now AND in the future.

Rastak
10-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Do you honestly think Francis is the top WR out there ?

Or is the Packer brass view developing a player with some upside more important than trying to find somebody that might immediately help more ?
I'd have to say, PROBABLY, or we wouldn't have signed him. Eh?


So every move Ted makes is 100% correct? The guy is equal to the pope as far as mistakes?

red
10-23-2006, 07:10 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?


I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.
It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?


Well, I'm 100% sure I won't convince you of my position. I don't think it's a bad thing to get guys you think have potential and are young...but not 100% of the time...mix in a vet once in a while....maybe Ted is a genius and these guys will really produce....

i completely agree here. we need a couple of wr's. why not bring in some rook, and a vet? let them battle it out for a couple of weeks, and keep the better guy

HarveyWallbangers
10-23-2006, 07:13 PM
I think the point is: it's hard to judge anybody they'd sign. Some of us thought Gardner or Boerigter were good signings for depth, but they looked awful this preseason. Some wanted an experienced RB signed last year. Thompson signed some nobody named Samkon Gado instead. He probably turned out better than any veteran we could have signed.

Rastak
10-23-2006, 07:16 PM
I think the point is: it's hard to judge anybody they'd sign. Some of us thought Gardner or Boerigter were good signings for depth, but they looked awful this preseason. Some wanted an experienced RB signed last year. Thompson signed some nobody named Samkon Gado instead. He probably turned out better than any veteran we could have signed.


Harv, just so I'm clear, I don't think it's bad to grab guys you hope have some potential. But does every guy on the roster need to be a rookie?


Maybe this guy will be great, but McCarthy had talked about liking big recievers I thought. Maybe a Pinkston might make sense as a #4 guy.
Maybe not...I don't claim to have all the answers but TT sure likes kids.....

MJZiggy
10-23-2006, 07:24 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

You mean like Rod Gardner or Marc Boerigter? Guys like that?


I'm not Red but yea, someone who's played in the league a bit.
It's amazing to me that people think it's so OBVIOUS that there are servicable players out there. Do you guys think that Pro Personnel Director Reggie McKenzie and the entire scouting department doesn't know who's available and what their options are? David Boston's been OUT OF FOOTBALL for 3 years now. Tyrone Calico is worse than Boerigter and can't get open. What talents do ANY of these guys show you indicates that they're better than Francies, Martin or this new guy?


Well, I'm 100% sure I won't convince you of my position. I don't think it's a bad thing to get guys you think have potential and are young...but not 100% of the time...mix in a vet once in a while....maybe Ted is a genius and these guys will really produce....

i completely agree here. we need a couple of wr's. why not bring in some rook, and a vet? let them battle it out for a couple of weeks, and keep the better guy

With what roster spot. Who are you gonna cut to let them fight it out?

Lurker64
10-23-2006, 07:29 PM
I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."

vince
10-23-2006, 07:32 PM
I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."

Well said, Lurk.

Brando19
10-23-2006, 07:56 PM
Donald Driver-Greg Jennings-Calvin Johnson....mmm...sounds good!

Rastak
10-23-2006, 08:30 PM
I'm just mystified as to why some people are convinced there was a vet out there who would have been better for the team than Bodiford. I'm 100% certain that if there was a veteran receiver available that would help the team more than Bodiford, Thompson would have signed him instead.

But it's not an embarassment of riches out there. There's not a team in the league that has an amazing receiving core from top to bottom, so what's available is never going to be what you want. We lost a couple of guys who were primarily special teams demons, and we replaced them with a young guy who apparently looked pretty good on special teams. The primary loss from losing Ferguson and Robinson was their special teams contributions, as neither was a special receiver this year. So it would be silly to go out and get David Boston to be a big hulking possession/deep threat guy with a questionable head and a questionable knee when you're really looking for someone to run down the field like a madman and make things happen on special teams. Ferguson has never been a special player, he's flashed but he's always fizzled. It's not like Robinson was ever a huge part of the offense. What we've lost, primarily, is bodies, what he have in return is bodies. None of these guys have played enough in the league to really convince you or I that they suck and are unworthy of wearing Green and Gold. I'm personally happy to give Shaun a chance to go out there and set my world on fire.

It's not like Ted never brings in Veteran guys (see the OL parade of last year) it's just that the young guys he brings in tend to be better than the Veteran guys he brings in (see the OL parade of this year.) For all of his flaws, Thompson has proven himself to be pretty good when it comes to the evaluation of young talent. He's found enough guys that none of us had ever heard of to show up and play pretty well (Spitz, Moll, Jennings, Murphy, Collins, Poppinga, Culver, etc.) that I don't think we can instantly look and say "Thompson has signed a young player who I haven't heard of, the world is ending." I dare to wonder how often a team is really changed by bringing in one guy with experience. In the ESPN world, way too much is made about the impact that one key draft pick or one key free agent signing is going to rocket a team into contention, when this really doesn't bear out (e.g. The Dolphins being annointed superbowl contenders because Daunte was "the missing piece of the puzzle.") One veteran, one free agent signing, and one draft pick really don't turn a team around. I'm way more interested in "building a team" than "getting a guy."


Lurker, what vet did he bring in mid season on the OL last year? I'm talking about replacing injured guys, not offseason moves. He picked up Koren Robinson but he's had a hard-on for him for a while. I could be wrong but he grabs kids all the time....hell, he may be 100% right. Seems wrong to me.....

The Leaper
10-23-2006, 09:24 PM
There is a reason idiots like Charles Rogers and David Boston don't currently have a job.

Thompson can only fill so many holes. He lost his 2nd round pick at WR from last year. Now he's lost his 2nd round pick from this year. Ferguson is hurt. KRob is suspended.

Unless you want him to draft 10 WRs in the draft...this number of injuries will cause a significant loss of depth at a position.

We don't need a veteran to teach the kids. We have one. His name is Donald Driver. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have as an example either.

FritzDontBlitz
10-23-2006, 09:43 PM
god damnit, why in the hell can we not bring in one of the vets that are out there instead of the nobody cast offs from other teams like the lions?

everytime we lose someone, TT pulls this crap.

ANYONE that you sign at this point, even a vet, is a cast off from another team. If what has been written about Bodiford holds true, he is a decent kick returner and is decent on special teams. That is what Ferguson was to the Packers, and that is what they have to replace. His receptions will be picked up by Martin and Francies.


I do see Red's point, does every guy he signs need to be a rookie? He has tons of them already, there must be somebody out there that can join the team and at least be a #4 guy and maybe teach the younger players something.

thank you

someone sees my point

i see your point as well. veteran leadership is an underestimated asset in today's nfl

BobDobbs
10-24-2006, 05:06 AM
Rastak Said:
". He picked up Koren Robinson but he's had a hard-on for him for a while. I could be wrong but he grabs kids all the time....hell, he may be 100% right. Seems wrong to me....."

"I don't claim to have all the answers but TT sure likes kids....."

"So every move Ted makes is 100% correct? The guy is equal to the pope as far as mistakes?"

Are you accusing TT of being ah, um into kids? :shock:

No, but really. This kid may not see much field time, Martin and Lee are probably better receivers right now. But can he return kicks? Detroit already has a stellar return man so he wouldn't have gotten a real shot at it. If not for all to injuries and suspension I would love to see that 5th receiver spot used as constant competition for a return man. Of course, we'll need blocking at some point too.

I don't think that TT is completely against pickinh up a veteran, but he has job security for at least this year and next and a massively uncompetitive roster. So he is gutting it and rolling the dice that he can create a more talented, athletic team that can be coached into a force.

As for leadership, a guy who comes in midseason is a doubtful prospect to become a locker room leader. Especially someone with character issues. I mean was Koren Robinson going to LEAD them on a police chase? Is Charlie Rodgers going to lead them to his stash?

I dunno, the only two gripes I have are
One, that TT cut Chatman because he wanted to "go big'. Chatman was too small, but these two new guys are not all that big.
And two, What was with the big verbal show of support for Ferguson? I hope he was just being classy. It is not Fergie's fault that Wolf took Buckley over Vincent or him over Chambers. But, it does remind me of it.

The madness must end.

Here's to Martin and Francis beating out a healty Ferguson in camp next year.

GoPack06
10-24-2006, 08:37 AM
The Lions told this young WR that he could be a "superstar" in this league. Well he's gonna get a shot.

Zool
10-24-2006, 08:39 AM
Want a good example. During the week last week the Dolphins had a roster spot open and signed a WR. They brought Rogers in for a tryout but he was garbage. They ended up putting Marcus Vick on the roster from their practice squad.

They are already paying Francies to be on the PS so elevate him. Assuming Driver and Jennings are healthy, then the 3rd reciever is going to be Martin. The 4th reciever is going to play 3-4 plays a game and on ST as a gunner or returner. Why not pick up a guy that can return kicks if needed? Do you really want Rogers or Boerigter returning kicks?

I dont honestly see what paying a 6-7 year vet the minimum salary is going to gain us other than more money spent for a guy on the bench.

These rookies are hungry and agressive. They want a paycheck more than anything because they have never had that big payday. They dont want to go back to whatever city they came from and sell insurance door to door or work at UPS waiting for a call from a team for next years training camp.