Some interesting Packer rankings

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Just some stats that jumped out at me, considering what the national media thought about the Packers coming in to the season.

-The defense was considered to be inept at rushing the passer. Right now they're tied for 3rd in sacks with 22. The Chargers and Eagles each have 26 to lead the league. That number might be skewed a bit, considering the packers are number 1 in pass attempts faced per game. The Eagles, though, are seeing about 2 less attempts per game. In any case, it's still pretty decent.

-The Packer offensive line was thought to be one of the worst, starting two rookie guards and a first year starter at center. So far, the o-line has only allowed 9 sacks. That is tied for third in the NFL and only two more than the league leading Colts at 7.

-Again I'll mention the low regard the media had for our o-line, plus our running backs were supposed to be either pathetic or washed up. But, the Packers have moved into 12th place in rushing yards per game. They are averaging 114.9 yards per game and 4.2 yard per carry. If Minnesota gets less than 100 yards tonight, the Pack will move in to 11th. Not too shabby.

[Packnut]

These stats are totally mis-leading. It's not the # of sacks but when they come. How many 3rd down sacks have we had to end drives?

The sacks are down cause we use max protection most of the time with short drops, not to mention a HOF QB who knows when to get rid of it.

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These stats are totally mis-leading. It's not the # of sacks but when they come. How many 3rd down sacks have we had to end drives?

The sacks are down cause we use max protection most of the time with short drops, not to mention a HOF QB who knows when to get rid of it.

-Just because a sack comes on 1st or 3rd down doesn't mean it's meaningless. Doesn't having 3rd and long help?

-Sure, using max protection a lot helps, but if it's so easy to stop sacks that way, then why don't teams giving up a ton of sacks just do the same thing? And besides, it's not like the Packers are keeping 8 guys in on every play.

[Patler]

These stats are totally mis-leading. It's not the # of sacks but when they come. How many 3rd down sacks have we had to end drives?

The sacks are down cause we use max protection most of the time with short drops, not to mention a HOF QB who knows when to get rid of it.

Every team plays the same game and many play similar schedules. Every team gets and gives up important sacks and unimportant ones. Every team has instances where stats are "padded" because of the game situation. To think the Packers stats are "different" for some reason is unrealistic, unless you have looked at the same situations for all other teams.

[Patler]

Here's another interesting stat for you:

The members of GB's awful D-line that can't muster a pass rush have 16.5 of the team's 22 sacks. 16.5 sacks is more than the team totals for all players of 15 other teams.

[GoPack06]

those rushing stats are suprising

[Packnut]

Here's another interesting stat for you:

The members of GB's awful D-line that can't muster a pass rush have 16.5 of the team's 22 sacks. 16.5 sacks is more than the team totals for all players of 15 other teams.


Yeah, here's one for ya. We have the LAST ranked pass defense in the damn league per NFL.com. THAT, my friend, means all those sacks mean SQUAT!

[Patler]

Here's another interesting stat for you:

The members of GB's awful D-line that can't muster a pass rush have 16.5 of the team's 22 sacks. 16.5 sacks is more than the team totals for all players of 15 other teams.


Yeah, here's one for ya. We have the LAST ranked pass defense in the damn league per NFL.com. THAT, my friend, means all those sacks mean SQUAT!

Relax, this is only football. Besides, the only meaningful team stat, good or bad, now or at anyother time is wins and losses. Some individual stats, (not all) I think can be meaningful indicators of a player's performance, but they are not the be-all, end-all of that, either.

Actually, the last rated pass-defense ranking does not render the sacks to be "squat" as you suggest. It does, howver, indicate either an inconsistency in performance or a glaring lack of performance in other aspects that make up team defense in passing situations. It indicates that to improve the overall performance there might be something more critical to correct than the pass rush.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Here's another interesting stat for you:

The members of GB's awful D-line that can't muster a pass rush have 16.5 of the team's 22 sacks. 16.5 sacks is more than the team totals for all players of 15 other teams.


Yeah, here's one for ya. We have the LAST ranked pass defense in the damn league per NFL.com. THAT, my friend, means all those sacks mean SQUAT!

i doubt they'll be in last after this week's stats are tabulated. nfl.com doesnt update stats untl ALL the games are over.

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Here's another interesting stat for you:

The members of GB's awful D-line that can't muster a pass rush have 16.5 of the team's 22 sacks. 16.5 sacks is more than the team totals for all players of 15 other teams.


Yeah, here's one for ya. We have the LAST ranked pass defense in the damn league per NFL.com. THAT, my friend, means all those sacks mean SQUAT!

i doubt they'll be in last after this week's stats are tabulated. nfl.com doesnt update stats untl ALL the games are over.

Actually, they do update the stats before the Monday game. Sadly, the packers are still last in pass defense. But, they moved up two spots to #30 in overall defense(yards/game).

[Sef0r]

Ummm....only 1 game has a sack gone for a TD on the same drive. Actually, thats 4 Field Goals on drives where the packers get sacks and only 1 TD pass.

I don't know about you guys but you compare this to other teams and we are pretty damn good, regardless of how bad we think our secondary is.

This is pretty self explanatory.

Week 1 vs Chicago, 1 sack
2nd qtr on 2nd and 9 @ GB 16, 2 plays later results in FG

Week 2 vs NO, 4 sacks
1st qtr on 2nd and 4 @ NO 45, Kampman sack, Fumble and recovers.
1st qtr on 3rd and 8 @ NO 22, KGB sack, fumble, recover Jenkins
2nd qtr on 3rd and 10 @ midfield, Kampman sack, Punt next play
3rd qtr on 3rd and 9 @ GB 22, Kampman sack, fumble, FG next play

Week 3 vs Detriot, 3 sacks
1st qtr on 1st and 10 @ GB 44, C.Williams sack, Punt 3 plays later.
4th qtr on 2nd and 10 @ DET 16, Hawk sack, Punt 2 plays later.
4th qtr on 4th and 2 @ DET 39, C.Williams sack, turnover

Week 4 vs Eagles, 4 sacks
1st qtr on 3rd and 9 @ PHI 16, KGB sack, Punt next play
2nd qtr on 2nd and 10 @ GB 25, Carroll sack, see next play for Back 2 Back sack
2nd qtr on 3rd and 12 @ GB 27, Jenkins sack, next play was failed fake FG attempt from GB 36
4th qtr on 3rd and 7 @ GB 28, Kampman/Hawk sack, Punt on next play

Week 5 vs Rams, 2 sacks
3rd qtr on 2nd and 4 @ GB 42, KGB/Montgomery sack, Punt 3 plays later
3rd qtr on 3rd and 7 @ GB 7, Kampman sack, FG next play

Week 7 vs Maimi, 4 sacks
1st qtr on 3rd and 10 @ GB 43, C.Woodson sack, Punt next play
2nd qtr on 3rd and 2 @ GB 10, Hawk sack, FG next play
4th qtr on 2nd and 10 @ MIA 33, Montgomery sack, failed FG attempt 8 plays later @ GB 34
4th qtr on 1st and 10 @ GB 32, Kampman sack, fumble, game ends 5 plays later as time expires

Week 8 vs Cardinals, 4 sacks
2nd qtr on 2nd and 10 @ GB 47, Barnett/KGB sack, Punt 2 plays later
3rd qtr on 1st and 10 @ GB 46, Kampman sack, see next sack on same drive
3rd qtr on 1st and 10 @ GB 18, Kampman sack, TD pass 7 plays later
4th qtr on 3rd and 10 @ ARI 35, Barnett/Cole sack, Punt next play

[FavreChild]

Besides, the only meaningful team stat, good or bad, now or at anyother time is wins and losses.

Homer Simpson once said something like, "Statistics are totally meaningless. You can use them to prove anything that's even remotely true." :wink:

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Wow, nice work on the stats Sef0r!

It looks like almost every sack made a difference.

[Sef0r]

I've bolded the FG and TD just so people can see....out of the 22 sacks, 17 were game changing, actually you can count the FGs because all of them were pushed out of an easy first down...

[BF4MVP]

Packnut, what's with the constant negativity??

And don't call it "realism," because the reality is that our team just won two straight games, and as a fellow PackerBacker, you should be happy!

[BobDobbs]

That IS great research. Also, that data shows that 10 of the sacks were on 3rd down. That's pushing fifty percent. Gotta be happy with that.

But 32nd ranked pass defense.... whatever happened to "You win the game in the trenches"?