Colts/Pats Game Thread

[BallHawk]

I want the Colts to win, but I expect the Pats to win.

Pats 24
Colts 14

[b bulldog]

I don't care who wins. I would love to see Manning and Dungy get to the big game while it would be great to see Brady go for number 4. If I had to bet I'd take the Colts, 31-21 but I thought the Saints would win by 3-7points today.

[Bretsky]

I want to see a shootout between the best two QB'S in football

[GBRulz]

I want to see the Pats win.

[MJZiggy]

How do I have Dungy win, but Manning lose? :lol:

[Bretsky]

How do I have Dungy win, but Manning lose? :lol:


Besides Tonya Hardenizing Manning, I have no idea on that one

[ND72]

I have Indy winning, 31-21.

[MJZiggy]

I don't think my flight would make it there in time.

[SD GB fan]

How do I have Dungy win, but Manning lose? :lol:

manning breaks his right arm on the 1st play. Colts somehow wins over pats and then cruises over the bears in two weeks w/o manning :wink:

[mmmdk]

I'm with Indy too..why? Vinatieri.

[SD GB fan]

im with NE. sure, they shudnt have beat SD :( but their consistent play at the elite level, especially during playoffs, has earned my respect. and i like brady over manning. brady has got it done without an elite WR for years

[]{ilr]3]

I am just sick of the patriots and hope they loose and slide into a downward spiral for the next 10 years. I hope indy wins by a field goal and all the talk will be " I guess it really was Viniteri to thank for all those SB wins after all!" :lol:

[ND72]

I cheer for anyone playing New England. I don't like them at all. I can't stand their coach, I can't stand some of their players. It's not just cause they're good, cause I respect them for that. I just do NOT like their attitudes. Worst organization for years, and now that they've been insane the past 7 years, it's like everyone should kiss their feet. screw them. If they make it, I'll be one HUGE Bears fan for the super bowl.

[digitaldean]

Hope the Colts can make it in.

The Pats- Bears was the least palatable pairing for me in the Super Bowl.

I don't care for the Pats either, but I can't debase myself to root for the Bears, either. :lol:

[BF4MVP]

go pats

[Rastak]

Go Colts.....

[MJZiggy]

I don't care anymore, but whoever wins needs to beat the Bears.

[Lurker64]

TOUCHDOWN LOGAN MANKINS!

[Rastak]

Holy shit....wow.....

[MJZiggy]

Squirt! TD!!

[Jimx29]

Good gawd is it ever annoying as hell to have to see hundreds of manning commercials while watching a game he is in :roll:

[Lurker64]

Patriots are looking pretty clearly like the better team tonight.

[Bretsky]

21-3; wow

[MJZiggy]

Wonder who Peyton's gonna throw under the bus if this one doesn't turn around?

[Bretsky]

Brady looks to be at the top of his game

[GBRulz]

Good gawd is it ever annoying as hell to have to see hundreds of manning commercials while watching a game he is in :roll:

not as annoying as seeing the Bear fans act like wrecks is the best thing since sliced bread!

[GBRulz]

Brady looks to be at the top of his game

and as always, is looking incredibly hot !! :D

[Iron Mike]

They just showed a Colts fan on t.v. talking smack.....look at the scoreboard idiot--your team is losing 21-3!!!! :evil:

[BallHawk]

Manning is on this drive. I hope to see more of this in the 2nd half.

[GBRulz]

If Dungy loses again, do you think his job is in jeopardy?

[BallHawk]

If Dungy loses again, do you think his job is in jeopardy?

I don't think so. The town of Indy adores him.

[GBRulz]

If Dungy loses again, do you think his job is in jeopardy?

I don't think so. The town of Indy adores him.

Probably not as much as the city of Boston does :P

[BallHawk]

On second look they did get their feet tangled together. However, Wayne would of caught that.

[BallHawk]

If Dungy loses again, do you think his job is in jeopardy?

I don't think so. The town of Indy adores him.

Probably not as much as the city of Boston does :P

ZING!

[GBRulz]

Seriously though, I would be curious to know Dungy's playoff record vs his regular season record. Is this guy not cut out to take a team to the next level?

It's not like he doesn't have talent on his team, either.

[BallHawk]

GB, if we're excluding Tampa Bay and talking about his success in Indy, here's what it looks like.

Regular Season: 60-20

Postseason: 5-4, with this one to be decided.

Including Tampa he is 114-62 regular season and 7-8 postseason.

[GBRulz]

I found this, too Ballhawk.

Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1996 tam | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1997 tam | 10 6 0 | 1 1 |
| 1998 tam | 8 8 0 | 0 0 |
| 1999 tam | 11 5 0 | 1 1 |
| 2000 tam | 10 6 0 | 0 1 |
| 2001 tam | 9 7 0 | 0 1 |
| 2002 ind | 10 6 0 | 0 1 |
| 2003 ind | 12 4 0 | 2 1 |
| 2004 ind | 12 4 0 | 1 1 |
| 2005 ind | 14 2 0 | 0 1 |
| 2006 ind | 12 4 0 | 2 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 114 62 0 | 7 8 |

edit: Didn't see your previous post !!

[GBRulz]

not a very impressive playoff record by any means (Dungy).

yet, you have coaches like Schottenheimer, who are on the hot seat in SD...

2002 sdg | 8 8 0 | 0 0 |
| 2003 sdg | 4 12 0 | 0 0 |
| 2004 sdg | 12 4 0 | 0 1 |
| 2005 sdg | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |
| 2006 sdg | 14 2 0 | 0 1

[GrnBay007]

I just got home and turned the game on. I'm surprised at the score. Have either QB thrown any picks?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Almost every team I have been rooting for has lost so far in this postseason. I don't want either New England or Chicago, so this Super Bowl might have little interest for me. It's more fun when you have a rooting interest. I don't want New England to win again, and I'm not a big fan of Chicago--although living in the Twin Cities, I don't have any Bears fans to contend with. I don't know a single Bears fan--other than the online trolls.

[BallHawk]

I just got home and turned the game on. I'm surprised at the score. Have either QB thrown any pics?

Manning threw a bonehead pass to Harrison that was returned for a TD by Asante Samuel.

[GrnBay007]

Is Manning getting protection? I'd sure hate for him to have to throw his OL under the bus again this year. :P

[HarveyWallbangers]

I just got home and turned the game on. I'm surprised at the score. Have either QB thrown any picks?


9:25 NE TD Asante Samuel intercepted Peyton Manning for 39 yards (Stephen Gostkowski made PAT) 21 - 3

Brady is 8 for 12 for 91 yards, 0 TDs, 0 picks. He's been solid, but this has been a game that they haven't needed him to do much. Their first scoring drive, he completed one pass (and it was a screen pass). Their third TD was an interception return for a TD. He did complete a clutch 4th and 6 on their second scoring drive. The Pats actually fumbled the ball at the 3 on their opening drive on 3rd down, but recovered in the endzone for a TD. Manning is pretty shaky, as usual, in the playoffs.

[Guiness]

'lo all. Just joining in now - been watching the game since about halfway through the second quarter.

Wanted to ask if others noticed something. Twice now I've seen Manning knocked down, and him getting up himself while an Olineman walked away. Think they're letting him dust himself off after his comments earlier this year?

[Partial]

sweet jesus, Belichich is a freaking genius.

[GrnBay007]

Thanks Harv!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Thanks Harv!

I haven't been able to have all my full concentration on the game, but the pass protection for Manning hasn't been a big issue when I've watched.

[Rastak]

Almost every team I have been rooting for has lost so far in this postseason. I don't want either New England or Chicago, so this Super Bowl might have little interest for me. It's more fun when you have a rooting interest. I don't want New England to win again, and I'm not a big fan of Chicago--although living in the Twin Cities, I don't have any Bears fans to contend with. I don't know a single Bears fan--other than the online trolls.


I'm not big on New England again either....of course, this isn't over yet....


BTW, aren't you nervous about using your real picture as an avatar?


:P j/k!

[GBRulz]

LOL !

[Rastak]

LOL !


Harv's a good guy.....hope I didn't insult him. :o


Colts are coming back!


Go Colts!

[BooHoo]

Still a lot of game to be played. Might be who has the ball last.

[Rastak]

Still a lot of game to be played. Might be who has the ball last.

Indeed.....

[hurleyfan]

Finally able to get back in... having some wind here in the North East... lost power around 3:15...

Fvck, da Bears won??

Now the Patriots are ahead also??

[Rastak]

Heads up play by the Colts, no way the RG was forced to jump......

[hurleyfan]

All right Colts!! They been outplayed up til now?

[hurleyfan]

TIE game!! 2 pointer :D

[Rastak]

Hmmmm, I thought face gaurding wasn't actually a foul......no way he touched the reciever.......where's a zebra when you need him......maybe Patler knows....

[Bretsky]

Brady and the Pat O need to step it up a notch.

Indy is beginning to dominate

[hurleyfan]

Hmmmm, I thought face gaurding wasn't actually a foul......no way he touched the reciever.......where's a zebra when you need him......maybe Patler knows....

Didn't we have the "face guarding" question last week also? I believe it is clearly a penalty... The d-back has to at least make a "look" for the ball right?

[GrnBay007]

turning in to a great game.

[Rastak]

Hmmmm, I thought face gaurding wasn't actually a foul......no way he touched the reciever.......where's a zebra when you need him......maybe Patler knows....

Didn't we have the "face guarding" question last week also? I believe it is clearly a penalty... The d-back has to at least make a "look" for the ball right?

I always thought so but I remember one color guy saying it wasn't technically a foul... so I'm not sure.....

[hurleyfan]

turning in to a great game.

Don't ever count out Manning (Peyton)

[hurleyfan]

WOW! great catch... and good call!

[Rastak]

WOW, did the Vikes trade Troy Williamson?

[hurleyfan]

This will be interesting..

Was he in control!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

BTW, aren't you nervous about using your real picture as an avatar?

:P j/k!

:lol:

I should have never met you for football and drinks, I guess. Actually, it's a picture of my baby.
:oops:

[Rastak]

WOW! great catch... and good call!

I hate that rule......

[HarveyWallbangers]

Didn't we have the "face guarding" question last week also? I believe it is clearly a penalty... The d-back has to at least make a "look" for the ball right?

I think it's a dumb rule. If the defender is close enough to the receiver that he can face guard, and not actually touch him, I say good play by the defense. That and the pro defender pushed receiver out of bounds calls are two of my least favorite. If a defender is close enough to push the receiver out of bounds, that's a great play. Plus, changing it would take the guess work out of the official's hands.

[Rastak]

BTW, aren't you nervous about using your real picture as an avatar?

:P j/k!

:lol:

I should have never met you for football and drinks, I guess. Actually, it's a picture of my baby.
:oops:


Chip off the ole block!

[hurleyfan]

Rats :( :( :(

[b bulldog]

the two masters are putting on a show. NE will have to score on every drive cause Manning is en fuego!

[GrnBay007]

Which team are you all cheering for?

[Rastak]

Didn't we have the "face guarding" question last week also? I believe it is clearly a penalty... The d-back has to at least make a "look" for the ball right?

I think it's a dumb rule. If the defender is close enough to the receiver that he can face guard, and not actually touch him, I say good play by the defense. That and the pro defender pushed receiver out of bounds calls are two of my least favorite. If a defender is close enough to push the receiver out of bounds, that's a great play. Plus, changing it would take the guess work out of the official's hands.


I agree on both counts, ecspecially the second...how in the hell is the ref supposed to know if the reciever WOULD have gotten both feet in?
WAYYY to much of a judgement call....and a hypothetical....

[b bulldog]

I'd be happy with either but now since the game is where it is, BRADY!

[Rastak]

Which team are you all cheering for?


Go Colts!

[hurleyfan]

Which team are you all cheering for?

Rooting for the Colts...

I think the Pats are the most hated team here in NY after the Cowgirls..Other than us Packer fans!

[b bulldog]

wHEN mANNING GETS IN THE ZONE, he is just friggin amazing!

[hurleyfan]

Packer fans in NY still hate da Bears, the Vikes, and the Cowgirls!

[GrnBay007]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dungy and the Colts. Have nothing against Brady or the Pats, just don't like dynasties unless it's a team I root for. Also, don't want Chicago. I'd be happy if Dungy won the title though.

[Rastak]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

Yes, they sure could.....

[GrnBay007]

The pace of the game just seems so much faster.

[b bulldog]

I'd still go with the Colts. They are gashing the Pats and all thoses oldieson the Pats D must need oxygen asap.

[b bulldog]

If Dungy gets in, it will be the first African American coach to win a Super Bowl :D

[hurleyfan]

Didn't we have the "face guarding" question last week also? I believe it is clearly a penalty... The d-back has to at least make a "look" for the ball right?

I think it's a dumb rule. If the defender is close enough to the receiver that he can face guard, and not actually touch him, I say good play by the defense. That and the pro defender pushed receiver out of bounds calls are two of my least favorite. If a defender is close enough to push the receiver out of bounds, that's a great play. Plus, changing it would take the guess work out of the official's hands.

I don't think a defender should be able to "get close enough" to the receiver, specially if he got smoked by a move to just put up his arms, or push a receiver out of bounds.. You get beat, you you have to make a great recovery to defend against the ball.. actually have to see it and not try and block the receivers view... JMO

[b bulldog]

manning is playing like a stud

[GrnBay007]

If Dungy gets in, it will be the first African American coach to win a Super Bowl :D


Or Lovie

[hurleyfan]

If Dungy gets in, it will be the first African American coach to win a Super Bowl :DWhat difference does it make?

Let's hope the best tean / coach get in!

[Rastak]

Colts lineman are smart, they move whenever a defender crosses the line....

[b bulldog]

2 times in one game

[b bulldog]

Or lovie, I thought that was a given, sorry

[b bulldog]

pats D is gassed, too many mental mistakes.

[hurleyfan]

This is turning into another Miami / San Diego playoff game!

What year was that?

Air Coryell / Dan Fouts / Kellen Winslow versus the Big Bad Dolphins??

Arguably the greatest game of all time!

[Rastak]

This is turning into another Miami / San Diego playoff game!

What year was that?

Air Coryell / Dan Fouts / Kellen Winslow versus the Big Bad Dolphins??

Arguably the greatest game of all time!


82?

I remember that game....81 or 82 I think....

[Bretsky]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.


I do

[Guiness]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

Yes, they sure could.....

One game - anything can happen. The Bears are there, and whether we want to admit it or not, there's a good chance. The spread will be a AFC -4, and that is accurate.

[Bretsky]

manning is playing like a stud


Not in the first half

[GrnBay007]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

Yes, they sure could.....

One game - anything can happen. The Bears are there, and whether we want to admit it or not, there's a good chance. The spread will be a AFC -4, and that is accurate.

I read somewhere today that it didn't matter which AFC team gets in, the spread would be AFC -7.

[Bretsky]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

Yes, they sure could.....

One game - anything can happen. The Bears are there, and whether we want to admit it or not, there's a good chance. The spread will be a AFC -4, and that is accurate.


I'd bet it'll be more than 4; if that's all it is there will be a load of people jumping in and betting on the AFC. If the spreads only 4 I'd be one of them.

[Guiness]

BTW...Dan Klecko??? WTF is he, a DT with good hands?

[hurleyfan]

Anyone think the bears can hang with either of these teams? I don't.

Yes, they sure could.....

One game - anything can happen. The Bears are there, and whether we want to admit it or not, there's a good chance. The spread will be a AFC -4, and that is accurate.

I read somewhere today that it didn't matter which AFC team gets in, the spread would be AFC -7.

I would think NFC +7 would be generous!

[hurleyfan]

Talk about an UGLY ball!! Quack Quack

[b bulldog]

thumb injury

[hurleyfan]

thumb injury

Did he hit a helmut? Didn't look like there was anyone around him BEFORE he let the ball go!

[BallHawk]

How do I have Dungy win, but Manning lose? :lol:

You could possibly get your wish.

[Rastak]

thumb injury

Did he hit a helmut? Didn't look like there was anyone around him BEFORE he let the ball go!

Yea, looked that way.....

[Rastak]

That was PI......

[b bulldog]

Pass interference anyone????????

[Iron Mike]

How is that NOT PI???? :x

[hurleyfan]

Holy Shit! That's pass interference! No call in the dome??

Homer?

[Bretsky]

WOW; how was a call not made there ???

[b bulldog]

Coldwell=bubba

[Rastak]

Holy Shit! That's pass interference! No call in the dome??

Homer?


No question, that looked like PI to me.....

[hurleyfan]

We need to send some film of the Colt tight ends to the Packers..

See guys, you can run down the middle of the field... And catch the frikking thing!

[Iron Mike]

How was THAT not PI??

[Bretsky]

WHAT A TERRIBLE CALL

[b bulldog]

What's going on here with this site??

[hurleyfan]

Mad,
what's up?

[Iron Mike]

Jerry Tagge was right...............it's 85 all over again!!!! 8)

[Rastak]

Jerry Tagge was right...............it's 85 all over again!!!! 8)

I ain't here to cause no trouble, I'm just here to do the super bowl shuffle....


:shock:

[Rastak]

Holy shit, the ball popped up....wow....LOL.....

[hurleyfan]

Why is it when Farve throws of his back foot, it's crap, but Peyton Manning gets away with it?

[Rastak]

Great game......

[Bretsky]

Manning's WR's are actually wide open here and there

[Rastak]

TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Iron Mike]

Why is it when Favre throws of his back foot, it's crap, but Peyton Manning gets away with it?

Manning has receivers that will adjust to an errant pass......we have Ferguson. :(

[billy_oliver880]

Wow...just Wow. :shock:

[b bulldog]

4point lead is huge

[b bulldog]

manning is also much more accurate with his throws

[Bretsky]

4point lead is huge


Now is Brady's chance to make his legend

[hurleyfan]

manning is also much more accurate with his throwsI think Iron Mike's response is more accurate!

[b bulldog]

don't see a Brady comeback today

[retailguy]

don't see a Brady comeback today

open your eyes.... :)

[hurleyfan]

don't see a Brady comeback today

Man I hope not!

[b bulldog]

He already has a legend

[Bretsky]

don't see a Brady comeback today


Have some faith in your hero Bull; if there was a time for his greatness to step forward it is now.

[Rastak]

Go Colts!

[Iron Mike]

manning is also much more accurate with his throwsI think Iron Mike's response is more accurate!
You noticed how Walker would jump up and haul in Favre's ducks, too?? :?

[retailguy]

don't see a Brady comeback today


Have some faith in your hero Bull; if there was a time for his greatness to step forward it is now.


WHAT A GREAT GAME..... WOW

[b bulldog]

Great game, good luck to the Colts

[hurleyfan]

Colts beat Bears in Super Bowl!!

[Bretsky]

game set match.

CRAP; truth be told I like the Pats and Brady and wanted them to win

[Rastak]

YESSSS!


And who said Dungy sucked?


Superbowl baby!

[b bulldog]

great,great game

[hurleyfan]

Can I start the official Colts / Bears thread??

[Bretsky]

Go for it

[b bulldog]

The Bears will have a great chance because of their D and their running game.

[GrnBay007]

Colts beat Bears in Super Bowl!!

I'm predicting the Colts manhandle the Bears in the Superbowl

[b bulldog]

I hope so but I think the Bears may be better than most think

[hurleyfan]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??

[fan4life]

WOW!!

[b bulldog]

Hopefully Mannings thumb will be OK

[retailguy]

I hope so but I think the Bears may be better than most think

depends on which "wrecks" shows up, and which bears "D".

[billy_oliver880]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??

Why??

[b bulldog]

tHE cOLTS sT's will need to be much,much better than today.

[hurleyfan]

great,great game

I agree 'dog :)

[Bretsky]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??


If you don't start it now I bet somebody else starts in tomorrow

[retailguy]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??


sure, just go ahead and wait for someone to BEAT YOU TO IT.... :crazy: :lol:

[b bulldog]

If and it may be a big if, but if REX doesn't turn it over, I'd take the Bears to win :(

[fan4life]

4point lead is huge

Now is Brady's chance to make his legendOr prove what some of us have been saying all along.... he's good, but not all he's cracked up to be.

[Iron Mike]

I wanna know who put together that Bears/Colts montage with the Bear walking off the field with his son saying "see you next week"?

Ummm.....I'm thinking SB XVI is in TWO weeks!!!! :)

[b bulldog]

Congrats goes to Manning, hopefully he gets his career topper in two weeks and Dungy gets his elusive championship. Marlin Jackson picking Brady, both UM guys :D

[b bulldog]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.

[MJZiggy]

Congrats to Coach Dungy. He deserves to go. Considering the opponent, I hope he wins in a blowout.

[]{ilr]3]

I wanna know who put together that Bears/Colts montage with the Bear walking off the field with his son saying "see you next week"?

Ummm.....I'm thinking SB XVI is in TWO weeks!!!! :)

LOL, i saw that too. :lol: Nothing quite like being imortalized as a dumb ass infront of your kid on national TV! :lol:

[hurleyfan]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??


sure, just go ahead and wait for someone to BEAT YOU TO IT.... :crazy: :lol:

Think I got it started Retail!!

[retailguy]

Go for it

We should wait for a few days tho right??


sure, just go ahead and wait for someone to BEAT YOU TO IT.... :crazy: :lol:

Think I got it started Retail!!

I think you should have waited a few days... :D 8)

[hurleyfan]

Congrats to Coach Dungy. He deserves to go. Considering the opponent, I hope he wins in a blowout.

Good call Zig... it's hard to beat Belichek / Brady!

[b bulldog]

Would be great to be a Colts fan at the moment! 96 was so special

[Iron Mike]

Colts are trying to call upon the Lord in the post-game festivities.....I thought He was a Dallas fan???? :wink:

[hurleyfan]

Fuck, now the SB is turning into the first BIG GAME coached by African Americans!

[MJZiggy]

Colts are trying to call upon the Lord in the post-game festivities.....I thought He was a Dallas fan???? :wink:

I thought He lost interest after Reggie...

[b bulldog]

Dungy is a Christain and the speecjh he gave at last years SB was very moving. If you remember that was around the time of his son's death.

[Partial]

Good game.

[b bulldog]

Sorry to all the atheists out there but the world could use many more Tony Dungy's .

[]{ilr]3]

Fuck, now the SB is turning into the first BIG GAME coached by African Americans!

I thought Dungy's speach was great. He commented on how proud he was to African American and to be were he was, but then changed the emphasis to the Colts going to the Super Bowl.

Saw that loser pile of shit shannon sharp speaking he ebonics ranting and raving and all it was about that finally they are getting respect because of this. That loser is why they would get less respect, Dungy really impressed me tonight.

lovie smith does too in that manor....

[Iron Mike]

Good game.

72 points were scored.........think that'll happen in two weeks????

[b bulldog]

Both coaches seem like very good men. I don't think you'd put Bellicheck into that catagory as a person.

[fan4life]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.Oh, believe me, I have a clue. It's like I've been saying for a long, long time. Brady is a very, very good QB. But he's NOT the only star on that team. The Pats lost today the way they usually win: as a team. My point was just this: Brady wasn't the difference, one way or the other. And that's usually the case.

[Partial]

Both coaches seem like very good men. I don't think you'd put Bellicheck into that catagory as a person.

He gave the shortest post-game interview that I have ever seen.

[MJZiggy]

Sorry to all the atheists out there but the world could use many more Tony Dungy's .

Absolutely. He's a great guy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.

Brady? Wasn't it 34? Sure helps to have a great defense (TD) and special teams (great field position all day). Kind of interesting, but the Pats didn't have a drive longer than 34 yards in their last 9 possessions. Three of those were scoring drives of 21 yards, 33 yards, and 34 yards.

[b bulldog]

ST 's was the biggest help, ala Desmond Howard, you remember him Harv, the 31 MVP!

[MJZiggy]

Only special teamer to ever win that honor...

[fan4life]

Fan4life, you simply have no clue! His team scored 38 points but Manning was better today. All the credit goes to Manning.Oh, believe me, I have a clue. It's like I've been saying for a long, long time. Brady is a very, very good QB. But he's NOT the only star on that team. The Pats lost today the way they usually win: as a team. My point was just this: Brady wasn't the difference, one way or the other. And that's usually the case.

And yes, Manning was by far the better QB today.

[b bulldog]

fOR SOME REASON i WAS THINKING IT WAS 42-38, 4 points was the difference.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ST 's was the biggest help, ala Desmond Howard, you remember him Harv, the 31 MVP!

Exactly, New England has had great teams around Brady. Green Bay had a great team around Favre one year. Kind of proves the point of a lot of people. Why did you bring up Favre when we were talking about Brady?

[b bulldog]

I get a kick out of the many in here who dog Brady when he doesn't win it all. Makes you look quite funny imo. I never thought they would go as far as they did. The Pats will be better if the cheap owner decides to spend some money. They need a burner at the WR position, all they have is possession WR's at the moment.

[MJZiggy]

bulldog, sounds like you're talking about the Packers... :|

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not kicking Brady. I still think he's as good of a QB as there is in the league right now. I'm just calling it like it is. Brady is 12-2 in the playoffs. That's great. At one point, Favre was 9-4. Things can change in a hurry. Brady has now been poor in 2 of his last 4 playoff games and average in a 3rd game. For all we know, the Patriots dynasty could be over. Brady can't win by himself. Just like Favre couldn't. Bill B. could get bored and retire or move on (like Holmgren and Wolf). Things could change in a hurry. If he didn't win, it wouldn't take away from what he has done so far. He'll like always be good enough to win with. It's a matter of surrounding him with a great team. Brett hasn't been surrounded by a great team. He hasn't had a championship caliber team in nearly 10 years.

[Iron Mike]

I'm not kicking Brady. I still think he's as good of a QB as there is in the league right now. I'm just calling it like it is. Brady is 12-2 in the playoffs. That's great. At one point, Favre was 9-4. Things can change in a hurry. Brady has now been poor in 2 of his last 4 playoff games and average in a 3rd game. For all we know, the Patriots dynasty could be over. Brady can't win by himself. Just like Favre couldn't. Bill B. could get bored and retire or move on (like Holmgren and Wolf). Things could change in a hurry. If he didn't win, it wouldn't take away from what he has done so far. He'll like always be good enough to win with. It's a matter of surrounding him with a great team. Brett hasn't been surrounded by a great team. He hasn't had a championship caliber team in nearly 10 years.

Agreed. Let's consider this, also............if you put Brady (or Manning) on last year's Packer team, do you think the record would have been greater than 4-12??

[b bulldog]

It is a team game but the Philly 4th and 26 season and the season after the Bronco's SB were both SB teams. Holmgren thought that the 98 team was loaded, the Rice fumble and the Owens catch?? That was the year the Atlanta Falcons went to the SB.

[b bulldog]

nO, THEY DON'T THROW THE BAD THROWS AS OFTEN. I'm sure all the QB's in the NFL would love to throw to the weapons Manning has but that is a CRAZY road to go down. They more than likely would have been 6-10 or so but what does thaT GET YOU IN THE END.

[fan4life]

It is a team game but the Philly 4th and 26 season and the season after the Bronco's SB were both SB teams. Holmgren thought that the 98 team was loaded, the Rice fumble and the Owens catch?? That was the year the Atlanta Falcons went to the SB.The team that lost in Philly (4th and 26) had serious problems on the defensive side of the ball and a QB who was mentally (death of his father) and physically (broken thumb) drained; had they beaten the Eagles, they probably wouldn't have gotten past Carolina. I agree with your assessment of the '98 team: they had a chance, but chance let them down.

[b bulldog]

What let them down was not winning enough games to have that game at home, just like tonight's game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The '98 team? You can't be serious. That team was past it's prime. It went 10-6--mostly on a weak schedule. The Vikings were 15-1, and destroyed the Pack twice that year. Falcons were 14-2. Either team would have destroyed the Packers in the playoffs--had we not been screwed by the refs on the Rice fumble against San Fran. Ain't Favre's fault that he got the Pack the lead in the final minutes at San Francisco--only to be let down by the refs in that game. Remember that "should've been" game winning drive Brett engineered?

That 2003 team wasn't championship caliber team either. We got the Vikes choke job just to get into the playoffs. We beat a 9-7 Seattle at home, and almost beat an ordinary Philly team in the playoffs. Big deal! I'm not sure we would have won at Carolina the next week. We definitely would have been destroyed by New England in the Super bowl. That would be like saying the Eagles or Seahawks were championship caliber this year. You blame Favre for the loss against Philadelphia. The blame spreads around. Favre had one turnover that game. It happeneded to be after 4th and goal, 4th and 1, and 4th and 26.

[b bulldog]

Harv, I get a real kick out of your know it all assertions but Holgren even said it himself about the 98 team and the Philly debacle was a game they should have won and they would have had a great shot at Carolina. Talking last minute drives, what about the pic to end the Philly game in ot :oops:

[b bulldog]

I think brady had one TO in this game, am I correct? Just want to make sure cause you even know more than the HC of the 98 team :lol:

[b bulldog]

One more thing since your making excuses about the reffing, did you see the no call in the endzone when the Colts defender started tackling the Pats WR??? just wondering cause their is plenty of posts that support this on the game thread. That was four points they lost right there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think brady had one TO in this game, am I correct? Just want to make sure cause you even know more than the HC of the 98 team :lol:

The '98 team lost to San Fran in the playoffs. The '97 team lost to Denver. Technically, the Super Bowl was in 1998, but most football teams would count that as the '97 team. Of course, the Packers '97 team was a Super Bowl team. They made the Super Bowl. Looking back, it's debatable whether they had the better team. Denver proved themselves the next year. The '97 team was getting old on defense. They really wore down late. Howard was gone. The only reason they would have been better was because Favre was so much better than Elway at that point. That makes two years that Favre was surrounded by a team that was even remotely championship caliber.

[HarveyWallbangers]

One more thing since your making excuses about the reffing, did you see the no call in the endzone when the Colts defender started tackling the Pats WR??? just wondering cause their is plenty of posts that support this on the game thread. That was four points they lost right there.

I thought it was a bad call. Then again, I saw the Patriots get away with mugging Chargers receivers last week, and didn't say anything about it. One was a key third down play and Vrabel got away with a couple of muggings. They are overly physical with opposing receivers, and they seldom got called for holding or interference. The bottom line: the Chargers had a great chance to overcome that call. The Patriots had a great chance to overcome the call tonight.

[GrnBay007]

Like Manning said afterwards, he couldn't watch the final minute, knowing that Brady had a minute and two timeouts left. Instead, he said a prayer. "I don't know if you should do something like that, but I did," Manning said of his bowed head whispers to the heavens at the end.



When they kept showing him with his head down I wondered if he could even bring himself to watch the last minute. And also wondered if he was saying a quick prayer....lol I know I would have been.

[esoxx]

I just hope his thumb's okay. Looked like he banged it pretty good. I can just see x-rays showing a fracture and the Bears catch a huge break. Can you imagine the PA announcer for SB 41:

"...and at quarterback for the Colts, number 12, Jim Sorgi..."


:shock: :shock: :shock:

[GrnBay007]

I just hope his thumb's okay. Looked like he banged it pretty good. I can just see x-rays showing a fracture and the Bears catch a huge break. Can you imagine the PA announcer for SB 41:

"...and at quarterback for the Colts, number 12, Jim Sorgi..."


:shock: :shock: :shock:

Then he needs to toughen up!! Brett played that way. :P

[b bulldog]

Harry Sydney told me today himself on The Fan that the Pack's 98 team was SB caliber and that the whole team thought they could have done to Minny what Atlanta did to them. In regards to the Philly debacle, look back at the JSO forum and you will find plenty more to back up my ohter point. Harry was the rb coach durung the 98 season :D

[b bulldog]

manning did play that way last night