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motife
03-07-2007, 05:44 PM
WEDNESDAY, March 7, 2007, 1:41 p.m.

It's about time
Thirty-six year old William Henderson has said that he expects to be released by the Packers. That's a move that's two or three years overdue.

It's a different age and there are different rules with the salary cap, but general manager Ted Thompson should study the team's history during the Lombardi Era and talk to the few personnel people or coaches from that period who are still living. In fairness, it was Mike Sherman more than Thompson who probably held on to some veteran players too long. In fact, Thompson has done well when it comes to turning over the roster. Still, brushing up on the history of the Lombardi Era might be instructive.

Lombardi's philosophy was that you're better off getting rid of a player a year too early rather than a year too late.

Pat Peppler, Lombardi's former personnel director, told me that Lombardi was greatly influenced in that regard by Jack Adams, legenary hockey executive and coach. In 35 years with the Detroit Red Wings, Adams won 12 regular-season championships, seven Stanley Cups and missed the playoffs only seven times. Adams was able to sustain sucess, in part, by constantly turning over his roster and getting rid of older players while they still had value.

Lombardi did the same.

He traded Hall of Fame center Jim Ringo after a Pro Bowl season, not because Ringo hired an agent, but because he was undersized and Lombardi decided he wanted a bigger center. Lombardi traded linebacker Dan Currie when Currie was 29 years old and after he had been named first-team all-pro by one of the news services.

Lombardi traded Bill Quinlan after the 1962 season. Quinlan was 30 years old at the time and had been a starting defensive end on back-to-back NFL championship teams. Lombardi unceremoniously forced defensive tackle Dave Hanner to retire at the end of training camp in 1965 after Hanner had played 14 seasons with the team. A year later, Lombardi traded defensive captain Hank Gremminger just before the start of training camp.

Lombardi benched starting guard Fuzzy Thurston in 1965. When his revamped line didn't pan out, Lombardi inserted Thurston back into the lineup for the stretch run and the playoffs. But Lombardi benched Thurston again in 1967 and instructed him to retire when the season ended.

After the 1966 season, after the Packers had won a second straight NFL title and the first Super Bowl, Lombardi left both of his running backs go. He made 31-year old Paul Hornung available in the expansion draft and allowed 31-year old Jim Taylor to leave in free agency.

People sometimes forget that Lombardi won five NFL titles over just seven years, but changed 12 of his 22 starters.

That's why it should be interpreted as a sign of progress when the Packers dump players such as Ahman Green and William Henderson. Teams generally reach a point when they only get better when they get younger.

WEDNESDAY, March 7, 2007, 12:18 p.m.

Oops!
A reader, Scott Bitters, has taken me to task for suggesting that the loss of tight end David Martin might come back to haunt the Packers. Bitters wrote: "You're take on Ahman Green is right on, but I don't know why you would have any concern about David Martin leaving. How can you stretch the field from the bench? The sooner they get rid of the Robert Fergusons and David Martins of the world, the better."

I started to defend my stance in a reply to his email by noting that if Martin ever played 16 games, he could be a productive tight end. Then I realized I should be telling myself the same thing I tell you on our chats from time to time: "If a worm had hips. ..."

TUESDAY, March 6, 2007, 1:34 p.m.

When free agency makes sense
Blessed with one of the two best quarterbacks -- if not players -- in the game, the New England Patriots should be one of the teams to beat as long as Tom Brady stays healthy and continues to play at a high level. Even this past season when the Patriots played with one of the worst starting wide receiver combinations in the league, they came within about one minute and maybe one play of beating the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Championship and advancing to the Super Bowl, where they likely would have dispatched the Chicago Bears just as easily as the Colts did.

The Patriots have won three Super Bowls with Brady in the past six years and by July they might be the favorites to win again in 2007. As loaded as the San Diego Chargers look on paper, the Patriots have Brady -- who was the difference in their playoff game this past January -- and suddenly a better supporting cast, thanks to their early off-season moves.

The Patriots have signed the best available player in this year's free agent class -- 6-foot-2, 270-pound linebacker/pass rusher Adalius Thomas -- and a perfect fit for Bill Belichick's 3-4 scheme. Thomas had 11 sacks last season and has scored four defensive touchdowns in the past two seasons. He's versatile enough that he has even lined up at cornerback. The Patriots had one of the best defensive fronts in the league last year and a top-flight cornerback in Asante Samuel, but they had grown old at linebacker and had also given up on Willie McGinest the year before for the same reason. He had gotten old. The addition of Thomas, 30, should come close to completing the Patriots' defense.

Offensively, in addition to Brady, the Patriots have a solid offensive line, a promising running back in Laurence Maroney and an emerging tight end in Ben Watson, who caught 49 passes and averaged 13.1 yards per catch last season. What they desperately needed was help at wide receiver. In their playoff loss to the Colts, the Patriots started two-time reject Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell, a free agent who hadn't caught more than 28 passes in four years with the wide receiver poor Chargers.

This week, the Patriots struck a deal for restricted free agent Wes Welker, an undersized, unsung receiver-returner who would make an ideal No. 3 receiver. The Patriots also reportedly have interest in Oakland's Randy Moss and free agent Donte' Stallworth. Either one would stretch the field and give the Patriots a much-needed playmaker.

In the case of the Patriots, dipping heavily into free agency makes sense and so would trading for Moss. They might be one or two good players away from winning another Super Bowl. If they would have had one halfway decent starter at wide receiver last season, they might have won it all.

So why wouldn't those moves make sense for the Packers?

It's hard to imagine them winning the Super Bowl even if they acquired Thomas, Moss and Welker. No. 1, neither Moss nor Thomas is a superstar at this point. And, No. 2, the Packers just aren't that close, where three good to very good players would put them over the top. Plus, it takes two to sign. And players know. The guess here is that Thomas probably wouldn't have had any interest in the Packers for the reason stated above: Unlike the Patriots, they're not Super Bowl contenders and wouldn't be even if he came on board.

Denver is another team where their free agent moves -- not to mention their trade with Detroit -- make sense. If Jay Cutler pans out -- a big if admittedly, at least as far as next season goes -- the Broncos might be only a player or two away, as well.

But the rest of the teams that are spending like crazy figure to wind up in the same boat as Washington and Minnesota: Losers again next year and maybe losers with a somewhat darker future.

TUESDAY, March 6, 2007, 11:36 a.m.

Recommended reading
Here's another story worth reading on free agency by respected pro football writer Don Pierson of the Chicago Tribune.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070304pierson,1,5707664.column?coll=cs-bears-headlines

MONDAY, March 5, 2007, 5:09 p.m.

Fretting about free agency?
Those of you suffering angst over general manager Ted Thompson sitting idle in free agency might want to read Len Pasquarelli's latest column on ESPN. Here's a quote from the story:

Said the president of one AFC franchise that still prefers to build through the draft, while surveying the cash carnage Sunday evening: "For a lot of these teams, money just burns a hole in their pockets. If they've got it, they're going to spend it, even on middle-level players. They've taken the middle class and raised it up, believe me. And a year from now, they'll be releasing half the guys they signed because they found out they were poor fits."


MONDAY, March 5, 2007, 4:57 p.m.

Martin a bigger loss?
It might be that the loss of tight end David Martin will be more difficult for the Green Bay Packers to fill than the loss of Ahman Green. Green's departure will almost force general manager Ted Thompson to select a running back early in the draft. Finding a tight end who can stretch the field in a weak tight end class might be next to impossible.

Martin was the best receiver among the Packers' tight ends. He wasn't dependable. He missed 24 games and countless practices over the past five seasons due to injuries. And for that reason, he was a risk to throw big money at. But if he stays healthy, he can be a good situational player, better than any tight end on the Packers' roster.

In Green's case, it was time for the Packers to cut bait. In Martin's case, they probably would have been damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Those are the calls that can cause a general manager to tear his hair out.


FRIDAY, March 2, 2007, 5:04 p.m.

Another fan's perspective
The following email was received by reader Rick Cina following Thursday's chat. There's certainly some logic to what he writes.

"I thought Mad Dog of East Texas' philosophy about Sherman not having it in
his "mental makeup" to win a Super Bowl because he supposedly changed
gameplans right before the '03 playoff game in Philadelphia needed some
further analysis.

"Bill Walsh wrote in his 1990 book that he would routinely add or delete
plays from the gameplan right up until game time. And he won 3 Super Bowls
doing that. And Lombardi left the play-calling to his quarterbacks, who
could switch gears and alter the game plan in mid-stream as they saw fit.
And Lombardi largely left the defensive gameplans up to Bengston to design
and implement while in Green Bay.

"And why is changing gameplans at the last moment considered to be evidence
of a coach's mental deficiency anyway? Isn't it expected that a coach be
able adjust to gametime conditions on the spot? If something isn't working,
or isn't expected to work, do you stick with the original plan or switch to
something that you think might work better? Many times the same people
who bristle about changing gameplans at the last moment also become unhinged
with vociferous contentions that there weren't enough "half-time
adjustments" to the gameplan. If gameplans are expected to be altered and
adjusted at half-time (or at any stage of the game for that matter), why
would altering or adjusting a gameplan just prior to the game be considered
flagrant?

"Finally, if Sherman (and Donatell) did adjust the defensive gameplan just
prior to the Philadelphia playoff game, whatever adjustments he made sure
did seem to work. Philadelphia had been stymied to the tune of just 14
points and a 4th and 26 deep in their own territory with about a minute to
go in the game. They were 4 of 17 on 3rd down. They were held to 4.2
yards per pass attempt for the game. McNabb was sacked 8 times. Their
running backs ran 14 times for 57 yards. The only shortcoming for the
defense was that McNabb ran for over 100 yards. Other than that, and the
assignment failures by the players on 4th and 26, the defense seemed to play
rather well. So why should Sherman have so much blame heaped upon him for
the defensive gameplan, whatever it was?

RashanGary
03-07-2007, 05:48 PM
I agree. Henderson didn't make mistakes but he never made plays either. I think they should have let him go last season.

esoxx
03-07-2007, 05:50 PM
More cap room.

FritzDontBlitz
03-07-2007, 06:02 PM
crusty the coldhearted fuckbot strikes again. :roll:

MJZiggy
03-07-2007, 06:26 PM
I've said this before but it bears repeating: Christl can bite me.

pbmax
03-07-2007, 06:28 PM
But what does Cleft Crusty think about all this? Time for a Crusty chat.

"Frankly Bob, that is idiotic!"

Fritz
03-07-2007, 06:59 PM
"It's a different age and there are different rules with the salary cap, but general manager Ted Thompson should study the team's history during the Lombardi Era and talk to the few personnel people or coaches from that period who are still living. In fairness, it was Mike Sherman more than Thompson who probably held on to some veteran players too long. In fact, Thompson has done well when it comes to turning over the roster. Still, brushing up on the history of the Lombardi Era might be instructive.

Lombardi's philosophy was that you're better off getting rid of a player a year too early rather than a year too late.

Pat Peppler, Lombardi's former personnel director, told me that Lombardi was greatly influenced in that regard by Jack Adams, legenary hockey executive and coach. In 35 years with the Detroit Red Wings, Adams won 12 regular-season championships, seven Stanley Cups and missed the playoffs only seven times. Adams was able to sustain sucess, in part, by constantly turning over his roster and getting rid of older players while they still had value.

Lombardi did the same.

He traded Hall of Fame center Jim Ringo after a Pro Bowl season, not because Ringo hired an agent, but because he was undersized and Lombardi decided he wanted a bigger center. Lombardi traded linebacker Dan Currie when Currie was 29 years old and after he had been named first-team all-pro by one of the news services.

Lombardi traded Bill Quinlan after the 1962 season. Quinlan was 30 years old at the time and had been a starting defensive end on back-to-back NFL championship teams. Lombardi unceremoniously forced defensive tackle Dave Hanner to retire at the end of training camp in 1965 after Hanner had played 14 seasons with the team. A year later, Lombardi traded defensive captain Hank Gremminger just before the start of training camp.

Lombardi benched starting guard Fuzzy Thurston in 1965. When his revamped line didn't pan out, Lombardi inserted Thurston back into the lineup for the stretch run and the playoffs. But Lombardi benched Thurston again in 1967 and instructed him to retire when the season ended.

After the 1966 season, after the Packers had won a second straight NFL title and the first Super Bowl, Lombardi left both of his running backs go. He made 31-year old Paul Hornung available in the expansion draft and allowed 31-year old Jim Taylor to leave in free agency.

People sometimes forget that Lombardi won five NFL titles over just seven years, but changed 12 of his 22 starters."

Funny, I was thinking about Lombardi the other night, and almost started a thread. I was wondering how much say he had in personnel matters, and I was wondering why the Pack fell apart starting around '69. So I went back and looked at the Packers' drafts from the mid-to-late sixties. Check it out:

1969 1 1 12 12 Richie Moore DT Villanova
2 2 12 38 Dave Bradley T Penn State
3 3 12 64 John Spilis WR Northern Illinois
4 4 12 90 Perry Williams RB Purdue
5 5 12 116 Bill Hayhoe DT USC
6 6 4 134 Ron Jones TE Texas-El Paso
7 6 12 142 Ken Vinyard K Texas Tech
8 7 12 168 Larry Agajanian DT UCLA
9 8 12 194 Doug Gosnell DT Utah State
10 9 12 220 David Hampton RB Wyoming
11 10 12 246 Bruce Nelson T North Dakota State
12 11 12 272 Leon Harden DB Texas-El Paso
13 12 12 298 Tom Buckman TE Texas A&M
14 13 7 324 Craig Koinzan LB Doane
15 14 12 350 Rich Voltzke RB Minnesota-Duluth
16 15 12 376 Dan Eckstein DB Presbyterian
17 16 12 402 Dick Hewins WR Drake
18 17 12 428 John Mack RB Central Missouri
1968 1 1 5 5 Fred Carr LB Texas-El Paso
2 1 26 26 Bill Lueck G Arizona
3 3 12 67 Billy Stevens QB Texas-El Paso
4 3 26 81 Dick Himes T Ohio State
5 4 9 92 Brendan McCarthy RB Boston College
6 4 25 108 John Robinson WR Tennessee State
7 5 10 121 Steve Duich T San Diego State
8 5 26 137 Francis Winkler DE Memphis State
9 6 26 164 Walter Chadwick RB Tennessee
10 7 26 191 Andy Beath DB Duke
11 8 26 218 Tom Owens G Missouri-Rolla
12 9 26 245 Bob Apisa RB Michigan State
13 10 14 260 Rick Cash T Northeast Missouri State
14 10 26 272 Ron Worthen C Arkansas State
15 11 26 299 Gordon Rule DB Dartmouth
16 12 25 325 Dennis Porter T Northern Michigan
17 13 26 353 Frank Geiselman WR Rhode Island
18 14 26 380 John Farler WR Colorado
19 15 26 407 Ridley Gibson DB Baylor
20 16 26 434 Al Groves T St. Norbert
21 17 26 461 Ken Rota RB North Dakota State
1967 1 1 9 9 Bob Hyland G Boston College
2 1 25 25 Don Horn QB San Diego State
3 2 15 41 Dave Dunaway WR Duke
4 2 25 51 Jim Flanigan LB Pittsburgh
5 3 25 78 John Rowser DB Michigan
6 4 13 93 Travis Williams RB Arizona State
7 5 9 116 Dwight Hood DT Baylor
8 5 23 130 Richard Tate DB Utah
9 5 25 132 Jay Bachman C Cincinnati
10 6 25 158 Steward Williams RB Bowling Green
11 7 2 161 Bob Ziolkowski T Iowa
12 7 25 184 Bill Powell LB Missouri
13 8 25 210 Clarence Miles DT Trinity
14 9 25 236 Harlan Reed TE Mississippi State
15 10 25 262 Bill Shear K Cortland State
16 11 24 287 Dave Bennett QB Springfield
17 12 24 314 Mike Bass DB Michigan
18 13 25 340 Keith Brown WR Central Missouri
19 14 25 366 Claudis James RB Jackson State
20 15 25 392 Jim Schneider DT Colgate
21 16 25 418 Fred Cassidy RB Miami (FL)
22 17 25 444 Jeff Elias TE Kansas
1966 1 1 9 9 Jim Grabowski RB Illinois
2 1 13 13 Gale Gillingham T Minnesota
3 2 14 30 Tom Cichowski T Maryland
4 3 13 45 Fred Heron T San Jose State
5 3 14 46 Tony Jeter E Nebraska
6 4 14 62 John Roderick WR Southern Methodist
7 7 13 108 Ray Miller DE Idaho
8 8 14 124 Ken McLean WR Texas A&M
9 9 13 138 Ron Rector RB Northwestern
10 10 14 154 Sam Montgomery DE Southern
11 11 13 168 Ralph Wenzel G San Diego State
12 12 14 184 Jim Mankins RB Florida State
13 13 13 198 Ed King LB USC
14 14 14 214 Ron Hanson WR North Dakota State
15 15 13 228 Grady Bolton T Mississippi State
16 16 14 244 Bob Schultz DE Wisconsin-Stevens Point
17 17 13 258 David Hathcock DB Memphis State
18 18 14 274 Jim Jones DE Nebraska-Omaha
19 19 13 288 Dave Moton WR USC
20 20 14 304 Ed Maras WR South Dakota State
1965 1 1 7 7 Donny Anderson RB Texas Tech
2 1 10 10 Lawrence Elkins E Baylor
3 2 10 24 Alphonse Dotson T Grambling
4 3 10 38 Allen Brown E Mississippi
5 4 10 52 Wall Mahle B Syracuse
6 5 3 59 Jim Harvey T Mississippi
7 5 10 66 Doug Goodwin RB Maryland-Eastern Shore
8 6 4 74 Rich Koeper T Oregon State
9 6 10 80 Bill Symons RB Colorado
10 7 1 85 Jerry Roberts B Baldwin-Wallace
11 7 2 86 Roger Jacobazzi T Wisconsin
12 7 10 94 Junior Coffey RB Washington
13 8 10 108 Mike Shinn E Kansas
14 9 10 122 Larry Bulaich B Texas Christian
15 10 10 136 Bud Marshall T Stephen F. Austin
16 11 10 150 Jim Wetherwas T Cal State-Los Angeles
17 12 10 164 Gene Jeter RB Arkansas-Pine Bluff
18 13 10 178 Roy Schmidt G Long Beach State
19 14 10 192 John Putnam RB Drake
20 15 10 206 Chuck Hurston T Auburn
21 16 10 220 Phil Vandersea RB Massachusetts
22 17 10 234 Steve Clark K Oregon State
23 18 10 248 Jeff White E Texas Tech
24 19 10 262 Len Sears T South Carolina
25 20 10 276 Jim Chandler RB Benedictine
1964 1 1 13 13 Lloyd Voss T Nebraska
2 2 13 27 Jon Morris C Holy Cross
3 3 8 36 Ode Burrell B Mississippi State
4 3 12 40 Joe O'Donnell G Michigan
5 3 13 41 Tommy Crutcher B Texas Christian
6 4 2 44 Bob Long E Wichita State
7 4 13 55 Paul Costa T Notre Dame
8 5 4 60 Duke Carlisle B Texas
9 5 13 69 Steve Wright T Alabama
10 7 13 97 Dick Herzing T Drake
11 8 13 111 Ken Bowman C Wisconsin
12 9 13 125 John McDowell T St. John's (MN)
13 10 13 139 Allen Jacobs B Utah
14 11 13 153 Jack Petersen T Nebraska-Omaha
15 12 13 167 Dwain Bean B North Texas State
16 13 13 181 Jack Mauro T Northern Michigan
17 14 13 195 Tom O'Grady E Northwestern
18 15 13 209 Alex Zerko T Kent State
19 16 13 223 Andrew Ireland B Utah
20 17 13 237 Len St. Jean E Northern Michigan
21 18 13 251 Mike Hicks G Marshall
22 19 13 265 John Baker E Norfolk State
23 20 13 279 Bill Curry C Georgia Tech

Man, no wonder they faded. These don't look like stellar drafts to stockpile for the future...maybe Lombardi, if these were his picks, lost his mojo.

ND72
03-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Henderson will forever be one of my personal Packer Favorites. Widely under-rated by the NFL in things he did. should have been a multi time Pro bowler. Lock to be a Packer hall of famer...i donno bout NFL hall of fame, but you never know i guess. No matter what, he OWNS espn.

Merlin
03-07-2007, 07:13 PM
I agree. Henderson didn't make mistakes but he never made plays either. I think they should have let him go last season.

That is about the most ignorant thing ever written about William Henderson, hell ANY football player with 12 years in the league. Never made any plays? How about a 1,000 yard rusher every year he started up to 2005 when we had running backs off the street start? Then, another 1,000 yard rusher in 2006 when once again they tried to replace him?

The Packers have been throwing new blood at that position for several years and each year Henderson proves why he is #1.

Based on your analysis, no offensive lineman ever made any plays either. I guess games are won soley by the defense, the running backs, the wide receivers and the quaterback.

Go ahead and line up a team without a fullback and an offensive line and tell me how good the rest of the offense is or better yet, how many plays the offense makes.

I can't believe how ignorant that comment is, I was all fine until I read that. People like you are the reason that the rest of us have to work so hard to get the truth out...

pacfan
03-07-2007, 07:42 PM
I agree. Henderson didn't make mistakes but he never made plays either. I think they should have let him go last season.

That is about the most ignorant thing ever written about William Henderson, hell ANY football player with 12 years in the league. Never made any plays? How about a 1,000 yard rusher every year he started up to 2005 when we had running backs off the street start? Then, another 1,000 yard rusher in 2006 when once again they tried to replace him?

The Packers have been throwing new blood at that position for several years and each year Henderson proves why he is #1.

Based on your analysis, no offensive lineman ever made any plays either. I guess games are won soley by the defense, the running backs, the wide receivers and the quaterback.

Go ahead and line up a team without a fullback and an offensive line and tell me how good the rest of the offense is or better yet, how many plays the offense makes.

I can't believe how ignorant that comment is, I was all fine until I read that. People like you are the reason that the rest of us have to work so hard to get the truth out...

Fucking dead-on accurate.

Patler
03-07-2007, 08:07 PM
WEDNESDAY, March 7, 2007, 1:41 p.m.

Ted Thompson should study the team's history during the Lombardi Era and talk to the few personnel people or coaches from that period who are still living. In fairness, it was Mike Sherman more than Thompson who probably held on to some veteran players too long. In fact, Thompson has done well when it comes to turning over the roster. Still, brushing up on the history of the Lombardi Era might be instructive.


Let's see, in just three off seasons, Thompson has released or not re-signed the following long-time starters:

Wahle
Rivera
Sharper
Diggs
Flanagan
Green
Henderson
Longwell

He cut or didn't re-sign other older or mid-age starters/primary backups with less GB history
Grady Jackson
Chattman
Navies
Roman
Lenon
Ruegamer

Does Crystal really think TT doesn't follow the same philosophy as Lombardi?

MJZiggy
03-07-2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe he was inventing a reason to look back at the Lombardi years because people like reading that kind of stuff and he thinks it makes him look good.

retailguy
03-07-2007, 08:14 PM
Maybe he was inventing a reason to look back at the Lombardi years because people like reading that kind of stuff and he thinks it makes him look good.


But, possibly, bashing a 12 year, selfless player like Henderson just sells more newspapers...

Green Bud Packer
03-07-2007, 08:30 PM
looking at the top ten picks each year of lombardi's drafts he seemed to hit it on one or two a year. i haven't thought of guys like grabowski, gillingham, horn,carr, hampton, and how about bill curry in the 23rd round, in a long time.thanx for the memories. this is ted's team so the pack is gonna have mostly ted's guys. get used to it. i think ted let hendo go at the right time.he was a good role player last season and now it's time to let the young guys shine. i hope hendo retires a packer but if he still wants too play i wish him the best.

MJZiggy
03-07-2007, 08:36 PM
Maybe he was inventing a reason to look back at the Lombardi years because people like reading that kind of stuff and he thinks it makes him look good.


But, possibly, bashing a 12 year, selfless player like Henderson just sells more newspapers...

And that's why he can bite me.

Green Bud Packer
03-07-2007, 08:43 PM
And that's why he can bite me. ditto. not bad for a 200th post,hey

b bulldog
03-07-2007, 08:49 PM
Henderson will be missed greatly by the fans and by his teammates. He was a pro's pro and was a leader on the field and off. He is everything that us fans want in our Packers and he will be missed greatly and he will be a Packer HOFer as soon as he is eligible.

RashanGary
03-07-2007, 09:32 PM
[quote=MJZiggy]


But, possibly, bashing a 12 year, selfless player like Henderson just sells more newspapers...

It's not bashing. A good person? Yes. A good team-mate? Yes. A great Packer? Yes. A good football player at 36 years old? No.

b bulldog
03-07-2007, 09:35 PM
I agree but you hate to see players such as Henderson lose the battle with father time.

RashanGary
03-07-2007, 09:36 PM
And in response to Merlin earlier;

Henderson was a really good fullback. Probably top 5 in the league for a long, long time. IMO last season and the season before he was the equivilant of Ruvel Martin; slow, unspectacular, and less able than most on the field.

It takes nothing away from his whole career. For him to even last as long as he did cannot be overlooked. As far as his last 2 years, I could have done without.

falco
03-07-2007, 09:38 PM
Christl is just speaking objectively. Henderson dropped off terribly last year.

Thats not taking away from his career at all.

It wasn't that long ago he was leaping defenders in the flats.

HarveyWallbangers
03-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Some things are best left unsaid. I don't think anybody was complaining because Henderson was cut, so the comments about him being washed up probably weren't necessary. That's just cold, man.

RashanGary
03-07-2007, 09:46 PM
Packer fans look up to these guys like hero's or something. There are worse things in life than loosing the ability to play football. Hendo lost it 2 years ago. It's the truth. Some poeple don't like truth with their entertainment.

FritzDontBlitz
03-07-2007, 11:33 PM
no one is claiming that the pack should have kept hendo, or at least i aint. i knew it was prolly gonna happen sooner than later.

what i dont like is christl's hatchet jobs on players who have busted their ass for the pack every minute they were here.

and his attack of tt when he signed k-rob was more than a little vile.

news flash: i do not care for the guy.

packinpatland
03-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Whether William Henderson got let go or not, doesn't bother me as much as the title of this post.

'Dumping'? Isn't that a bit dramatic?

Henderson was not 'Dumped'. He was let go. The word 'Dump' has a negative conotation. After 12 years, it may have been time for him to leave, which he did with his always present class. You don't 'dump' a man like William Henderson.

Too bad Christl can't exhibit the same.