Crazy story... I was victim of theft at the airport today

[Fosco33]

... I am not making this up.

So, gfriend bought me a new cam for Christmas - used it for some Packer games, New Years and St. P's day. Uploaded all my pixs last night on my PC.

Went to the airport in Burbank like usual for my weekly flight (now in Salt Lake City).

Put the cam in my duffel bag - it's a tiny puddle jumper so I have to 'gate check' the bag. This means I give my bag to a handler and they put it on the plane (as we board).

Get to SLC, notice my bag is open - look for the cam and it's missing. Contact a Delta supervisor and they contact the Ramp Shift Manager (responsible for baggage, fuel, etc.).

I report my camera missing - they find the camera case but no camera! :evil:

I file w/ Delta but also realize that it was stolen. I call the police in Burbank, routed to Airport Police and file a report. The woman officer was very incompetent - called back and said, "I called LOST and found - we'll give it a couple days." Hell no, there's one or two guys working on that flight that are at your airport stealing/violating people's bags!

So, my optometrist is on the city council. I call him - he gives me great advice and says, "Contact this guy - he's the Exec Dir of Airport Authority - over the cops and tell them I told you to call -- and that you'll write a letter to the AA and cc the whole council if they don't do their due diligence."

So, I did.

Instead of the AA I got the Chief of the Airport Police - within 30 seconds he knows who the likely candidates are (since the SLC guy searched his folks w/i minutes of the plane landing and me reporting missing items). He said he'd take care of it immediately and personally (FINALLY - someone with at least 1% of their brain operating).

I get a call back - they won't search the locker b/c there's not enough probable cause ( :roll: ). BUT, he said they haven't had thefts from bags in years and another person reported a theft this weekend (2 in 3 days). So, we'll see if they narrow it down (hmm, look at the schedules?, open a friken locker...). The woman cop who was rude/clueless was a rook in training - hope I didn't get her into too much trouble. :P

i won't see my cam again but I may get money from Delta, or the travel insurance or VISA (gfriends). I hope they catch this mofo and "protect and serve" all the patrons of the airport. Heck, I have to practically strip and they go over ever inch of our stuff each week but sit idly by while they've got a clear thief under their noses. :crazy:

All in all, I could have not uploaded my pics, could have not realized my cam was stolen until this evening while unpacking, couldn't have had them find my empty case in the cargo hold, etc, etc.

I hope this doesn't happen to anyone else and just a good lesson to trust no one and don't take no for an answer.

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That is pretty weird Fos. I hope the resolution turns out well and you are reimbursed.

[Kiwon]

Fosco33, you've already taken it further than 99% of people would. Good thing you wear glasses. Your optometrist on the city council really came in handy.

Bottom line, we are all vunerable while traveling, entrusting our possessions to total strangers. Everybody knows the airlines do little supervision of their baggage handlers. The guys do it because they know they can get away with it. :evil:

It's too bad that it takes threats to make the system work and become responsive to the little guy. I hope you get your camera back (a miracle) and/or equal satisfaction out of Delta, etc.

The confusion and run around you got reminds me of why something like government run health care would be a disaster. The more layers of bureaucracy there is, the more unwieldy something becomes. The problem is compounded when people simply do not do their jobs correctly.

[Fosco33]

Fosco33, you've already taken it further than 99% of people would. Good thing you wear glasses. Your optometrist on the city council really came in handy.

Bottom line, we are all vunerable while traveling, entrusting our possessions to total strangers. Everybody knows the airlines do little supervision of their baggage handlers. The guys do it because they know they can get away with it. :evil:

It's too bad that it takes threats to make the system work and become responsive to the little guy. I hope you get your camera back (a miracle) and/or equal satisfaction out of Delta, etc.

The confusion and run around you got reminds me of why something like government run health care would be a disaster. The more layers of bureaucracy there is, the more unwieldy something becomes. The problem is compounded when people simply do not do their jobs correctly.


Thanks, Kiwon - in part, I took this farther than most to show my Dad that you can't stop after hearing 'no' or accepting someone else's stupidity.

I totally agree on the health care remark - I've been in HC consulting on the ins/admin side for 5 years. While Medicare's total cost of operations as a % of 'payments' is lower than commercial insurance, so is their reimbursement rate (cash factor). CARE also has tons of eligibility/billing rules (surprised) that you have to follow to the 't' - think tax submission on crank.

[GrnBay007]

Stinks this kind of stuff happens. Practically get molested by airport security and then in turn get ripped off.

Good news is you saved your pics!! The camera can be replaced.

[Kiwon]

Thanks, Kiwon - in part, I took this farther than most to show my Dad that you can't stop after hearing 'no' or accepting someone else's stupidity.

Well, kudos to you for sticking up for yourself. I'd have probably gotten furious and swore off flying Delta again (for the umpteenth time) and folded up tent with the first "no" and gone home.

Man, oh man, I had no idea I was talking with a HC insurance pro. You have to be a genius if you really "get it." I'm surrounded by Korean geniuses in math, science, and technology but they have never had to face the US health insurance industry. Now there's a real test of skill!

[Merlin]

I have an "airport" horror story.

I was flying out of Eau Claire, WI on one of those Northwest AirLink puddle jumpers. Now anyone that has ever flow out of a small airport can appreciate it when I say that you go through security and then walk out on the tarmac to get into the plane and the flight attendant uses the intercom to speak to 10 people who are eight feet in front of her.

Anyway, as I was through security and waiting for the rest of the people to get through, an old man in his 90's I would guess gets strip searched while the Middle Eastern woman waring a burka walked straight through. Ah TSA, gotta love em. Well that isn't even the weird part. As we are waiting for everyone to pass security, the middle eastern woman GOES OUT THE SECURITY DOOR TO THE TARMAC AND STARTS DIGGING IN THE PLANE! Now, no one in security noticed when she walked right by TSA and out the door which was supposed to be locked and no one caught her until she spent 5 minutes digging around in the baggage compartment of the plane. All they did was escort her back in and continue to load the plane as normal. All of us were sitting there just floored and we all said that we weren't going to fly with this nut case. But because we live in a politically correct society TSA said everything was fine and we were over reacting....GEE HOW COMFORTING!

[MadtownPacker]

Thats ruff Fos. I think this guy should also get a beatdown.

You may recall me mentioning my camcorder and camera got ganked at the Niner game we went to in Dec. I dont care about the actually goods anymore but I would give alot to have back the stuff that was on them. You got the part that cant be replaced so dont feel too bad. You will get your $$$ and by then the same camera will likely be cheaper.

[GBRulz]

That sucks, Fosco.

Ya know, with all the video survelliance that an airport has, you'd think that the entire baggage handling process would somehow be on tape as well.

Merlin - I hate those little planes! I remember once I had to fly from Wausau to Minneapolis and they had the 4 passengers sit in certain parts of the plane to help balance the weight! Worst part of those planes, there is no damn beverage service and I hate flying!!

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I have an "airport" horror story.

I was flying out of Eau Claire, WI on one of those Northwest AirLink puddle jumpers. Now anyone that has ever flow out of a small airport can appreciate it when I say that you go through security and then walk out on the tarmac to get into the plane and the flight attendant uses the intercom to speak to 10 people who are eight feet in front of her.

Anyway, as I was through security and waiting for the rest of the people to get through, an old man in his 90's I would guess gets strip searched while the Middle Eastern woman waring a burka walked straight through. Ah TSA, gotta love em. Well that isn't even the weird part. As we are waiting for everyone to pass security, the middle eastern woman GOES OUT THE SECURITY DOOR TO THE TARMAC AND STARTS DIGGING IN THE PLANE! Now, no one in security noticed when she walked right by TSA and out the door which was supposed to be locked and no one caught her until she spent 5 minutes digging around in the baggage compartment of the plane. All they did was escort her back in and continue to load the plane as normal. All of us were sitting there just floored and we all said that we weren't going to fly with this nut case. But because we live in a politically correct society TSA said everything was fine and we were over reacting....GEE HOW COMFORTING!

Well judging by the fact you are alive and posting you were in fact overreacting. And a bit prejudice.

[Fosco33]

Thats ruff Fos. I think this guy should also get a beatdown.

You may recall me mentioning my camcorder and camera got ganked at the Niner game we went to in Dec. I dont care about the actually goods anymore but I would give alot to have back the stuff that was on them. You got the part that cant be replaced so dont feel too bad. You will get your $$$ and by then the same camera will likely be cheaper.

Yeah, I recall - I felt bad for you and still do - that sucked. And yes, could've been worse. Just ironic that the people who are supposed to protect you couldn't care less if they've got someone w/ full access to lots of goods in a 'secure area'. Just think about the other shit they could get away with... I'm glad they're doing an investigation - but it took way too much complaining for the average person.

[Merlin]

LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

[MJZiggy]

Fos, I agree with Mad. I'm glad you downloaded the pics because I have felt worse about losing a memory card than I would have felt about losing the camera itself.

Mad, have you looked on ebay or craigslist for your stuff?

Merlin, I don't care who she is, be it the Islamic woman or the 90-year-old, if someone's screwing around with an airplane I'm about to board, I want it checked into--and that passenger and her luggage removed.

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LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

No, I don't think random screenings are designed to stop "islamic terrorists". Last time I checked, terrorism is not mutually exclusive to people of islamic descent. Was the unibomber islamic? I think not. What about Richard Jewel? Again, nope. Saying shit like that is what gets your ass kicked.

[esoxx]

Richard Jewel was exonerated so that's a poor example.

Racial profiling at airports seems appropriate following 9/11.

[Merlin]

LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

No, I don't think random screenings are designed to stop "islamic terrorists". Last time I checked, terrorism is not mutually exclusive to people of islamic descent. Was the unibomber islamic? I think not. What about Richard Jewel? Again, nope. Saying shit like that is what gets your ass kicked.

Nice to see that reality doesn't interfere with your logic. 99% of the terrorism in the world is done by Islamic Extremists. You may want to pry your ass away from the main stream media before you get YOUR ass killed. Comments like yours are what caused things like 9/11 in the first place. Complacency and tolerance is the liberal mantra. Yet it yeilds nothing but a bunch of people that feel good about themselves. Are you willing to bet that out of the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 that a lot of them were just like you? Sitting there thinking that? It didn't work in Korea, it didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work with Terrorists and it won't work in Iran. You have a group of Islamic Extremists that don't give a rats ass about how "peaceful" you want to be. They do not care, they want you DEAD. Is it all Muslims, no. However the Muslim leadership has gone out of it's way to do what? Nothing. Is it my fault they are Muslim? Nope. You target the group that does the shit. Not list a couple of nutballs and assume the sum is part of the whole. It isn't. We are talking about a whole society here.

By the way, anytime you want to "kick my ass" because of the things I say just shows how hypocritical liberals are. When the shoe doesn't fit you beat it into submission until it does. Name calling, threats, blah blah. When the facts don't support your agenda, you make them up.

[Zool]

I'm as Irish as can be. If I go to England should I automatically be profiled because the IRA exists?

"An old man in his 90's I would guess gets strip searched while the Middle Eastern woman waring a burka walked straight through."

You had no reason to add in the burka part. And this is Partials point I assume.

The problem I have is that you jacked Fosco's thread for your own story.

[Partial]

LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

No, I don't think random screenings are designed to stop "islamic terrorists". Last time I checked, terrorism is not mutually exclusive to people of islamic descent. Was the unibomber islamic? I think not. What about Richard Jewel? Again, nope. Saying shit like that is what gets your ass kicked.

Nice to see that reality doesn't interfere with your logic. 99% of the terrorism in the world is done by Islamic Extremists.

Source? I don't believe that for a second. That is narrow sited as can be. I am sure black people committ 99% of the crimes as well, racist ass hole. Also, being muslim and being an Islamic fundamentalist(learn your terminology) are not one in the same.



You may want to pry your ass away from the main stream media before you get YOUR ass killed. Comments like yours are what caused things like 9/11 in the first place.

Right. Go fuck yourself merlin. You're a bigot and a jackass.


Complacency and tolerance is the liberal mantra. Yet it yeilds nothing but a bunch of people that feel good about themselves. Are you willing to bet that out of the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 that a lot of them were just like you? Sitting there thinking that? It didn't work in Korea, it didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work with Terrorists and it won't work in Iran. You have a group of Islamic Extremists that don't give a rats ass about how "peaceful" you want to be. They do not care, they want you DEAD. Is it all Muslims, no. However the Muslim leadership has gone out of it's way to do what? Nothing. Is it my fault they are Muslim? Nope. You target the group that does the shit. Not list a couple of nutballs and assume the sum is part of the whole. It isn't. We are talking about a whole society here.

By the way, anytime you want to "kick my ass" because of the things I say just shows how hypocritical liberals are. When the shoe doesn't fit you beat it into submission until it does. Name calling, threats, blah blah. When the facts don't support your agenda, you make them up.

Yes, I am some hardcore liberal hippie. I love fucking dudes and smoking pot.

For your information, I am very far from a liberal person. I do however, understand, the being muslim does not automatically make you guilty, and that I am just as likely to be killed by the caucasian, female, black, or asian as I am the muslin.

[Zool]

Yes, I love fucking dudes and smoking pot.


QFT

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Yes, I love fucking dudes and smoking pot.


QFT

You bet your ass! Why do you think I always flirt with you on MSN? :awkward wink:

[Zool]

Unclean!!!

[Freak Out]

The confusion and run around you got reminds me of why something like government run health care would be a disaster.

You crack me up Kiwon.

Anyway.....

You have to remember the Airlines are paying the ramp people minimum wage or a little better at most these days...many are contract workers that don’t even work for the airline you are flying on so don’t put anything of value that you can carry on in your luggage or handbag that is stowed in a compartment out of your control. There are many reports of gang graffiti in the cargo holds of aircraft and if you have never been caught breaking the law you can pass a 10 year background check pretty easy. Don’t make it easy for the fucking crooks.

[Scott Campbell]

.Went to the airport in Burbank like usual for my weekly flight (now in Salt Lake City).


I fly weekly also - for most of the last 15 years.

Rule #1 - don't check luggage.

[MJZiggy]

You have to on a puddlejumper.

[Scott Campbell]

You have to on a puddlejumper.

Gate check.

[MJZiggy]

I thought that's what he did.

[Charles Woodson]

Man fosco, between you and your dad, yall have bad luck. Well i hope your dad gets his money back and you, your camera. What type of camera did you have?

[Scott Campbell]

I thought that's what he did.

You're right. I'm officially brain dead - don't know how I missed that.

[GrnBay007]

I thought that's what he did.

You're right. I'm officially brain dead - don't know how I missed that.

Demanding week with the wives? :P

[GBRulz]

Rule #1 - don't check luggage.

Are you one of those bastards with two carry on suitcases, trying to get them in the overhead bin, holding up everyone trying to get to their seats? :lol:

[Fosco33]

.Went to the airport in Burbank like usual for my weekly flight (now in Salt Lake City).


I fly weekly also - for most of the last 15 years.

Rule #1 - don't check luggage.

It wasn't checked - valeted - should be out of my hands for no more than the time it takes to throw it in cargo hold. The plane is tiny - 10 rows. Weekly clothes in a duffel. I stupidly moved the camera from the lap top bag to the duffel earlier that morning b/c the bag was too wide to fit under the seat.

Yes, you're correct on expensive items... - partly. What leaves them from stealing my $80 Brooks Brother shirts? Or screw it, my prescription lenses or contacts - or whatever else they want. It's BS that we watch passengers closely (cameras, screening points, etc.) and leave the crew and the plane unmonitored.

The whole point of this story was that unless you complain - no one gives a crap about you or your situation. Only by my persistence did they realize they've got a thief on their contracted staff.

And no, I don't believe in profiling just a certain group of people. I'm tall, dark hair and tan in the summer (italian) - I've been pulled aside on overseas trips - big deal. I've been 'profiled' and secondary screened many times - for plane safety I don't care. If someone (of any background) pulled that stunt (going through the exit, messing w/ the plane) - no way in hell would I board unless she was rescreened and the baggage was checked.

A lot of my coworkers look 'muslim' - many are of Indian or other middle eastern descent. They are cool as shit. My Indian neighbors are awesome - they bring over ethnic food all the time (lentil dish this weekend) - my girlfriend gets their family in to Disneyland for free. Muslims aren't the problem - much of our perceived foreign policy has led to this conflict with a small minority of individuals. It's all about perception.

Notice that since we've caught a majority of the terrorist leaders how little has happened with Al Qaeda - heck, have we heard from Osama lately? Intelligence, good police/military action, education and counter terrorist activities are the only thing we've got.

The most appropriate way to screen passengers is to make conversation with everyone (asking questions - check for signs of lies - look for nervous actions, etc.). They do this in Israel and have been training people in the States to do the same. Some airports are better at security than others - trust me, I've flown every week for 5 years to 15+ airports. Truth be told, they all suck. We've got bandaid approaches (shoes - give me a break), 3 oz. or less in liquids (umm, what if me and my 5 'friends' brought on a bunch of seemingly innocuous liquids in my quart sized bag).

The next airline terrorist action will be one of the following: stinger missiles on take off (more fuel - near a city w/ a downtown airport - of which there are plenty) OR - an inside job - hence my statement.

We (passengers) pay airlines inordinate amounts for average security while the contracted, low paid workers (ramp, etc) have full access to direct conflicts with aviation safety.

[GrnBay007]

I'm tall, dark hair and tan in the summer (italian) -




Hmmm....I think we may need a pic to verify this, eh girls?? :P :wink:

[MJZiggy]

007 you are such a bright woman!!!

[GBRulz]

Right on, 007 !

Fosco, can you cook? :lol:

[Fosco33]

Right on, 007 !

Fosco, can you cook? :lol:

:oops:

Yes - got that italian gene. I worked in a deli for a few summers and have a set of dishes - helped in my uncle's restaurant for some time as well. I'm an expert in all bfast foods though - by far my fav meal.

Picture? , hmm - well instead just ask MTP - he can verify.

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[swede]

Merlin, I disagree with you sometimes on football stuff.

But I'll back you on the security issue.

By itself, a lady in a burka is only incrementally more of a security risk than a 90 year old man. Both should undergo relatively close scrutiny to ensure everyone's safety.

A lady in a burka digging in the baggage hold of a plane is probably looking for something in her luggage that she wanted to bring on the plane but it is still a HUGE FREAKING BREACH OF SECURITY and she should have been cavity searched to teach her some airport protocol.

[Merlin]

Yeah, but people like Partial would be there with signs protesting while the Sears Tower in Chicago takes a jolt from an Airbus A320

[Guiness]

Regardless of whether it was the 90 yr old man, or the woman in the burka, the minute the person walked out onto the tarmac and got within 5 meters of the plane, they should've been hauled off and searched head to toe, and all the luggage re-scanned.

Political thread aside, here's what I do when travelling: Use small tie wraps to lock the zippers together on your bag, cutting the tail off. Get a small pair of sidecutters and stick them in a separate pocket of the bag to remove it on the other end. Those things are bugger hard to break and even difficult to remove with a knife. If, when you see your bag, the tie wrap is missing, don't even touch it. Tell security, and make them retrieve it.

[Zool]

Thats a great idea Guiness. I will definitely be doing that next travel time.

[Merlin]

LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

No, I don't think random screenings are designed to stop "islamic terrorists". Last time I checked, terrorism is not mutually exclusive to people of islamic descent. Was the unibomber islamic? I think not. What about Richard Jewel? Again, nope. Saying shit like that is what gets your ass kicked.

Nice to see that reality doesn't interfere with your logic. 99% of the terrorism in the world is done by Islamic Extremists.

Source? I don't believe that for a second. That is narrow sited as can be. I am sure black people committ 99% of the crimes as well, racist ass hole. Also, being muslim and being an Islamic fundamentalist(learn your terminology) are not one in the same.



You may want to pry your ass away from the main stream media before you get YOUR ass killed. Comments like yours are what caused things like 9/11 in the first place.

Right. Go fuck yourself merlin. You're a bigot and a jackass.


Complacency and tolerance is the liberal mantra. Yet it yeilds nothing but a bunch of people that feel good about themselves. Are you willing to bet that out of the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 that a lot of them were just like you? Sitting there thinking that? It didn't work in Korea, it didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work with Terrorists and it won't work in Iran. You have a group of Islamic Extremists that don't give a rats ass about how "peaceful" you want to be. They do not care, they want you DEAD. Is it all Muslims, no. However the Muslim leadership has gone out of it's way to do what? Nothing. Is it my fault they are Muslim? Nope. You target the group that does the shit. Not list a couple of nutballs and assume the sum is part of the whole. It isn't. We are talking about a whole society here.

By the way, anytime you want to "kick my ass" because of the things I say just shows how hypocritical liberals are. When the shoe doesn't fit you beat it into submission until it does. Name calling, threats, blah blah. When the facts don't support your agenda, you make them up.

Yes, I am some hardcore liberal hippie. I love fucking dudes and smoking pot.

For your information, I am very far from a liberal person. I do however, understand, the being muslim does not automatically make you guilty, and that I am just as likely to be killed by the caucasian, female, black, or asian as I am the muslin.

Sure sound like a liberal to me, name calling, threats, reading what you want to read, etc. Reality doesn't interfere with any of your logic that is for sure. For every 1 person who isn't a Muslim that commits terrorism I will provide you with 99 Muslims that committed terrorism. How's that for "proof". You may claim not to be liberal but it's written all over your posts. "Right. Go fuck yourself merlin. You're a bigot and a jackass." is more then enough to say that not only are you delusional but very childish. Time to grow up son. When you don't like what someone else has to say and the facts do not support your opinion, you resort to name calling and threats. I am not a bigot and to you maybe I am a jackass but that sentiment runs both ways. Anyone who would take what I said that far out of context clearly is living in dreamland. You might want to try some anger management as well, I am sure the government has some free program you can get into.

As far as high jacking someone's thread, that wasn't the intention. I adding an airline story that I and a lot of others found quite astonishing in the post 9/11 era. I wasn't here to get into an argument with someone who clearly has no concept of reality. Describing the the perpetrator is factual and germain to the argument that our security is seriously flawed. By that I mean that a 90 year old man get's searched but the person (ethnicity aside) who walked out to the plane never even got anything done to them. She was told to go sit down. WHY? Because of her ethnicity, people are so afraid not do the right thing because they might piss someone off. Also, it isn't "racial" it isn't "prejudicial" and sure doesn't warrant the flogging I am getting. Let me ask you this, if a white man wearing a red hat robs a liquor store, do you arrest every white man wearing a red hat? Of course not. Do you question those that fit the description? Of course. It's not profiling when you are looking for something specific. The Supreme Court upheld that it isn't profiling if the description involves race and religion when tracking down criminals.

It really wouldn't of mattered how I worded the story, someone would have taken offense because sadly that is the society we are living in. We might as well not profile anyone and continue in our PC and complacent society. I wont' say I told you so because someday everyone will come to that reality themselves.

[Merlin]

Regardless of whether it was the 90 yr old man, or the woman in the burka, the minute the person walked out onto the tarmac and got within 5 meters of the plane, they should've been hauled off and searched head to toe, and all the luggage re-scanned.

Political thread aside, here's what I do when travelling: Use small tie wraps to lock the zippers together on your bag, cutting the tail off. Get a small pair of sidecutters and stick them in a separate pocket of the bag to remove it on the other end. Those things are bugger hard to break and even difficult to remove with a knife. If, when you see your bag, the tie wrap is missing, don't even touch it. Tell security, and make them retrieve it.

It's a great idea if you are traveling within the US because security seldom if ever searches checked bags. If you are traveling in or out of the country, they have a tendency to open your bags more often then not so there is a good chance it will be broken anyway.

[MadtownPacker]

Picture? , hmm - well instead just ask MTP - he can verify.Yeah, he was so pretty I was sure he was gay!! :P

Haha, I cant judge males but I can tell you that his GF was a hottie and that should tell you all you need to know.

[Fosco33]

Picture? , hmm - well instead just ask MTP - he can verify.Yeah, he was so pretty I was sure he was gay!! :P

Haha, I cant judge males but I can tell you that his GF was a hottie and that should tell you all you need to know.

ROTFLMAO - thanks (i guess). She treats me good.

[Partial]

LOL....I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The PC above all costs crowd will cost us this country yet.

It's only called profiling if you are picking out someone based on your own beliefs (which I did not, facts are facts whether you like it or not). When you are looking for Islamic terrorists, you don't strip search the 90 year old white guy and let the middle eastern woman play in the plane on her own.

Overreacting? I don't think so. Prejudice? I don't think so. You among all others in the PC crowd don't let reality interfere with your logic. I have nothing against this woman but give me a break. She friggin walked out to the damn plane and started screwing around in there unsupervised and I am prejudicial? I don't care where she was from, that is some shit you just don't do. Kind of like taking the 9/11 high jackers seats, yelling about how bad the US is in Arabic and then asking for seatbelt extensions when you didn't need them. Oh I might add, you weren't in your assigned seats either. So let me guess, they have every right to sue because they were stupid enough to do shit like that? NOT But alas, I am sure you would award them millions if you were on the jury because as we all know, the majority in this country must be discriminated against for the stupidity of a few. We might hurt someone's feelings....

No, I don't think random screenings are designed to stop "islamic terrorists". Last time I checked, terrorism is not mutually exclusive to people of islamic descent. Was the unibomber islamic? I think not. What about Richard Jewel? Again, nope. Saying shit like that is what gets your ass kicked.

Nice to see that reality doesn't interfere with your logic. 99% of the terrorism in the world is done by Islamic Extremists.

Source? I don't believe that for a second. That is narrow sited as can be. I am sure black people committ 99% of the crimes as well, racist ass hole. Also, being muslim and being an Islamic fundamentalist(learn your terminology) are not one in the same.



You may want to pry your ass away from the main stream media before you get YOUR ass killed. Comments like yours are what caused things like 9/11 in the first place.

Right. Go fuck yourself merlin. You're a bigot and a jackass.


Complacency and tolerance is the liberal mantra. Yet it yeilds nothing but a bunch of people that feel good about themselves. Are you willing to bet that out of the 3,000 people that died on 9/11 that a lot of them were just like you? Sitting there thinking that? It didn't work in Korea, it didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work with Terrorists and it won't work in Iran. You have a group of Islamic Extremists that don't give a rats ass about how "peaceful" you want to be. They do not care, they want you DEAD. Is it all Muslims, no. However the Muslim leadership has gone out of it's way to do what? Nothing. Is it my fault they are Muslim? Nope. You target the group that does the shit. Not list a couple of nutballs and assume the sum is part of the whole. It isn't. We are talking about a whole society here.

By the way, anytime you want to "kick my ass" because of the things I say just shows how hypocritical liberals are. When the shoe doesn't fit you beat it into submission until it does. Name calling, threats, blah blah. When the facts don't support your agenda, you make them up.

Yes, I am some hardcore liberal hippie. I love fucking dudes and smoking pot.

For your information, I am very far from a liberal person. I do however, understand, the being muslim does not automatically make you guilty, and that I am just as likely to be killed by the caucasian, female, black, or asian as I am the muslin.

Sure sound like a liberal to me, name calling, threats, reading what you want to read, etc. Reality doesn't interfere with any of your logic that is for sure. For every 1 person who isn't a Muslim that commits terrorism I will provide you with 99 Muslims that committed terrorism. How's that for "proof". You may claim not to be liberal but it's written all over your posts. "Right. Go fuck yourself merlin. You're a bigot and a jackass." is more then enough to say that not only are you delusional but very childish. Time to grow up son. When you don't like what someone else has to say and the facts do not support your opinion, you resort to name calling and threats. I am not a bigot and to you maybe I am a jackass but that sentiment runs both ways. Anyone who would take what I said that far out of context clearly is living in dreamland. You might want to try some anger management as well, I am sure the government has some free program you can get into.

As far as high jacking someone's thread, that wasn't the intention. I adding an airline story that I and a lot of others found quite astonishing in the post 9/11 era. I wasn't here to get into an argument with someone who clearly has no concept of reality. Describing the the perpetrator is factual and germain to the argument that our security is seriously flawed. By that I mean that a 90 year old man get's searched but the person (ethnicity aside) who walked out to the plane never even got anything done to them. She was told to go sit down. WHY? Because of her ethnicity, people are so afraid not do the right thing because they might piss someone off. Also, it isn't "racial" it isn't "prejudicial" and sure doesn't warrant the flogging I am getting. Let me ask you this, if a white man wearing a red hat robs a liquor store, do you arrest every white man wearing a red hat? Of course not. Do you question those that fit the description? Of course. It's not profiling when you are looking for something specific. The Supreme Court upheld that it isn't profiling if the description involves race and religion when tracking down criminals.

It really wouldn't of mattered how I worded the story, someone would have taken offense because sadly that is the society we are living in. We might as well not profile anyone and continue in our PC and complacent society. I wont' say I told you so because someday everyone will come to that reality themselves.

I have counted 9 muslins that I know that have not been a part of or condone terrorist activity. Please name your 891 that you know, now.

[Charles Woodson]

Not to be racist or such, but in 24 one of the top people in CTU was a girl from muslim decent, and they profiled her and didnt give her alot of access to stuff but through some guy she secretly got access and secretly streamed A satelite thing to the terrorist, and when CTU found out the guessed it was her and it was right.

[pacfan]

Not to be racist or such, but in 24 one of the top people in CTU was a girl from muslim decent, and they profiled her and didnt give her alot of access to stuff but through some guy she secretly got access and secretly streamed A satelite thing to the terrorist, and when CTU found out the guessed it was her and it was right.

Yep, in the The Seige, it turns out that Denzel's partner was muslim and not involved with attacks and he also had a son who was muslim (later arrested) and wasn't involved with the attacks. Tie in their Muslim wife/mother who wasn't identified as a terrorist and we now have three muslims who are not terrorists.

Does it count that the partner was also the main charator in Monk? Can we count him as two non-terrorists muslims?

[mraynrand]

I have counted 9 muslins that I know that have not been a part of or condone terrorist activity. Please name your 891 that you know, now.

Partial, you'r passionate, but you don't make much sense to me. Here is a website listing the common accepted acts of terrorism

http://www.answers.com/topic/london-explosions

It's a pretty 'PC' list. If you follow the links, you will find thousands of muslims involved in terrorism. Some of their names are unknown because there weren't any pieces left over to identify. I too, have non-arabic friends who follow Islam. I have friends who are Arabic and follow Islam. They are good people, and have harmed no one. It doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts are being committed by Muslims. Islam is associated with one side in almost every significant conflict on the planet today. Muslims are exterminating Christians in the Sudan, they exterminated non-muslims in East Timor with glee, they firebomb "peace trains" in Kashmir, they get past checkpoints in Iraq with children in the car to avoid suspicion and detonate the cars with the children inside, incinerating the innocent. Muslim women are also used to detonate bombs that have been strapped to their bodies or bombs stuffed in cars while the women are sent into a market with their limbs securely fastened to the steering wheel with duct tape so they can't escape the explosion. All that's left to identify them are the fingertips still taped to a piece of steering wheel. That's the profile of islamic terrorism.[/url]

[retailguy]

All I want to know, is, where is Idle? He should break this up...

[Freak Out]

Terrorism or suicide bombers?

[falco]

this is confirmed by the recent study that said every member of the IRA was a muslim

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone might not be the brightest crackhead, but Merlin...did the lady in the burkha...the one you said is Muslim commit a terrorist act? So, that is your one that isn't a terrorist.

Your whole story amounts to...a waste of time. In order for a story to be interesting or relevant it has to have a point. The only point I can see is that the TSA sucks.

The point is that NOTHING happened. Kinda defeats your whole point. A muslim who didn't do anything...wow, what a story.

She was just some dumb woman who forgot something. Her religion has nothing to do with it. If being forgetful makes you a terrorist...best lock up half of florida. Those old folks can barely remember if they are alive.

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

[Partial]

Tyrone might not be the brightest crackhead, but Merlin...did the lady in the burkha...the one you said is Muslim commit a terrorist act? So, that is your one that isn't a terrorist.

Your whole story amounts to...a waste of time. In order for a story to be interesting or relevant it has to have a point. The only point I can see is that the TSA sucks.

The point is that NOTHING happened. Kinda defeats your whole point. A muslim who didn't do anything...wow, what a story.

She was just some dumb woman who forgot something. Her religion has nothing to do with it. If being forgetful makes you a terrorist...best lock up half of florida. Those old folks can barely remember if they are alive.

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

this crazy fuck hit it right on the head!! 8-)

[Guiness]

[snip]here's what I do when travelling: Use small tie wraps to lock the zippers together on your bag, cutting the tail off. Get a small pair of sidecutters and stick them in a separate pocket of the bag to remove it on the other end. Those things are bugger hard to break and even difficult to remove with a knife. If, when you see your bag, the tie wrap is missing, don't even touch it. Tell security, and make them retrieve it.

It's a great idea if you are traveling within the US because security seldom if ever searches checked bags. If you are traveling in or out of the country, they have a tendency to open your bags more often then not so there is a good chance it will be broken anyway.

Yes, they do open your bags, but in my experience always with you right there. I've traveled off the beaten bath (Europe and NA) quite a lot. I've had my luggage hand searched dozens of times and never had someone open my bag without me present.

They ask you to open it. You tell them there's a pair of cutters in a side pocket, and ask them if it's ok to use them. After they agree, you cut the tie wrap, and let them search. Inside the bag you've got more tie wraps; take one to replace the one you've cut off.

[Guiness]

this crazy fuck hit it right on the head!! 8-)

Last thing that pimp hit on the head was a crack ho!

[retailguy]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

this crazy fuck hit it right on the head!! 8-)


Yeah, those 19 guys who hijacked planes aren't anything to be worried about.

Heck, I believe 'em. We deserved it. :roll:

[HarveyWallbangers]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

[falco]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

Where the hell does the "caw" come in?

[Fosco33]

Wow - this thing got pretty OT.

If we got together, I'm pretty sure we think we could fix our foreign policy, economy and domestic security better than most...

What a creative bunch we are?

[Scott Campbell]

For every 1 person who isn't a Muslim that commits terrorism I will provide you with 99 Muslims that committed terrorism. How's that for "proof".

Ok, I'll play along:

1) Timothy McVeigh

[Zool]

Sorry Fosco. I guess we should go jack your other thread too just to complete the circle.

[Fosco33]

For every 1 person who isn't a Muslim that commits terrorism I will provide you with 99 Muslims that committed terrorism. How's that for "proof".

Ok, I'll play along:

1) Timothy McVeigh

I won't play along - but I can site sources and support no position......

According to statistics of the National Counterterrorism Center, a national government organization of the United States, Islamic extremism was responsible for approximately 57% of terrorist fatalities and 61% of woundings in 2004 and early 2005, where a terrorist perpetrator could be specified. Extremist acts have included airline hijacking, beheading, kidnapping, assassination, roadside bombing, suicide bombing, and occasionally rape.[3][4] Terrorist threats have included fatwas and death threats. Both Muslims and non-Muslims have been among the targets and victims.

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, a Muslim and the general manager of Arab news channel, Al-Arabiya has said: "It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims." Statistics compiled by the United States government's Counterterrorism Center present a more complicated picture: of known and specified terrorist incidents from the beginning of 2004 through the first quarter of 2005, slightly more than half of the fatalities were attributed to Islamic extremists but a majority of over-all incidents were considered of either "unknown/unspecified" or a secular political nature. The vast majority of the "unknown/unspecified" terrorism fatalities did however happen in Islamic regions such as Iraq and Afghanistan, or in regions where Islam is otherwise involved in conflicts such as the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, southern Thailand and Kashmir

[Fosco33]

Sorry Fosco. I guess we should go jack your other thread too just to complete the circle.

No prob, Zool - while I posted a topic I don't own a thread - MTP really does.... just pointing out how funny the steam of consciousness runs our off season topics.

Anyone catch LOST tonight - wow - I wonder if Locke will kill his Dad?

Happy Spring everyone.

3.5 weeks to file taxes. I've got to file 4 states - what a pain in the ass.

There - enough topics to chew on... :lol:

[Partial]

That was a bad ass lost. Something tells me the "monster" is John's father. That is just too weird. I mean why would he randomly end up there? Unless when he said "get me the man from Tennessee" he was referring to Locke's dad. Regardless, that was quite the development!

[GrnBay007]

Sorry Fosco. I guess we should go jack your other thread too just to complete the circle.

Right!! ...back to the tall, dark Italian....


:P

:wink:

[Zool]

But im tall, beige and Irish.

[Partial]

I am about 5'10", broad shoulders, a bit chubby right now unfortunately, relatively fair skin, and brown hair. Who wants to get with this?

[GrnBay007]

But im tall, beige and Irish.


lol @ beige :P

Did you celebrate St. Patty's?

[Freak Out]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

If anyone is a threat to the American way of life it's Americans.

[Zool]

But im tall, beige and Irish.


lol @ beige :P

Did you celebrate St. Patty's?Heck yeah. Jaeg bombs and Mickey's Irish Red. A great combo.

[the_idle_threat]

All I want to know, is, where is Idle? He should break this up...

Huh? Wait ... what did I miss?

I've been stuck in a meeting with "the mob." We've been coming up with new and innovative ways to oppress YOU, RG!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/the_idle_threat/themob.jpg

[retailguy]

All I want to know, is, where is Idle? He should break this up...

Huh? Wait ... what did I miss?

I've been stuck in a meeting with "the mob." We've been coming up with new and innovative ways to oppress YOU, RG!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/the_idle_threat/themob.jpg

Sadly, I'm not surprised. Partial and Merlin can call each other names. Wonder what you'd say if I called Merlin or Partial names.... Wait we've already been through that, haven't we?

Nice comic... Nice dig.. Thanks.

[pacfan]

If you were a US Attorney, you could have been fired.... :twisted:

[Partial]

Merlin, I am still awaiting you to name your 891 muslim killers.

[the_idle_threat]

Actually, Partial, you misunderstood what Merlin wrote. He said name terrorists who are not Muslim, rather than Muslims who are not terrorists.

The truth between your position and his is somewhere in the middle. There are some terror organizations that are not Muslim (e.g. the IRA, and some orgs. in South America) but the majority of orgs. which embrace terrorism are Muslim. It certainly doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists, but people who are responsible for security, who have to be right every time in order to prevent disaster, have reason to raise their awareness level when a person acting suspiciously appears to be Muslim.

[Merlin]

Tyrone might not be the brightest crackhead, but Merlin...did the lady in the burkha...the one you said is Muslim commit a terrorist act? So, that is your one that isn't a terrorist.

Your whole story amounts to...a waste of time. In order for a story to be interesting or relevant it has to have a point. The only point I can see is that the TSA sucks.

The point is that NOTHING happened. Kinda defeats your whole point. A muslim who didn't do anything...wow, what a story.

She was just some dumb woman who forgot something. Her religion has nothing to do with it. If being forgetful makes you a terrorist...best lock up half of florida. Those old folks can barely remember if they are alive.

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I am glad you think it was pointless, at least that showed you read more then 1 line. However, a lot of things said are pointless to some and not to others.

[Merlin]

[snip]here's what I do when travelling: Use small tie wraps to lock the zippers together on your bag, cutting the tail off. Get a small pair of sidecutters and stick them in a separate pocket of the bag to remove it on the other end. Those things are bugger hard to break and even difficult to remove with a knife. If, when you see your bag, the tie wrap is missing, don't even touch it. Tell security, and make them retrieve it.

It's a great idea if you are traveling within the US because security seldom if ever searches checked bags. If you are traveling in or out of the country, they have a tendency to open your bags more often then not so there is a good chance it will be broken anyway.

Yes, they do open your bags, but in my experience always with you right there. I've traveled off the beaten bath (Europe and NA) quite a lot. I've had my luggage hand searched dozens of times and never had someone open my bag without me present.

They ask you to open it. You tell them there's a pair of cutters in a side pocket, and ask them if it's ok to use them. After they agree, you cut the tie wrap, and let them search. Inside the bag you've got more tie wraps; take one to replace the one you've cut off.

Well they didn't ask us, they just did it. However, if you don't see one of those TSA security thingys stating they opened it and it has been opened, I would be concnerned.

[Merlin]

Merlin, I am still awaiting you to name your 891 muslim killers.

LOL...okay Big Man

Here is your 5 second Google answer (and yes I know it's irritating but he obviously can't Google for it himself):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations#Islamist

And remember that most of these are leaders of the groups (meaning they have more then one member so you aren't confused). I am sure if you were worth the time I could easily come up with 891, but sadly, your argument is naive just like you!

[Partial]

Merlin, name 99 muslim terrorists pussy.

[Zool]

/me starts kicking soap boxes

[Merlin]

Merlin, name 99 muslim terrorists pussy.

LOL.....yet another name...wow, you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[Partial]

Merlin, name 99 muslim terrorists pussy.

LOL.....yet another name...wow, you kiss your mother with that mouth?

kidding

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

Right out of the right wing playbook. Ignore the facts. More terrorist attacks in this country committed by americans than foreigners.

Oh, no. I'm quivering cause if we don't fight them over there than they will fight here. LOL

yep, can't wait for the terrorists to land here and start a war. Regardless, the terrorists will always be able to strike. As Israel, Britain, Spain, France, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

If anyone is a threat to the American way of life it's Americans.

Get Americans out of America!!

[Freak Out]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

If anyone is a threat to the American way of life it's Americans.

Get Americans out of America!!

"We need to fight ourselves over there so we don't have to fight ourselves here"

* actual Dubya quote

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Better to have your enemies in the tent pissing outside than have them outside pissing in. 8-)

[mraynrand]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

Right out of the right wing playbook. Ignore the facts. More terrorist attacks in this country committed by americans than foreigners.

Oh, no. I'm quivering cause if we don't fight them over there than they will fight here. LOL

yep, can't wait for the terrorists to land here and start a war. Regardless, the terrorists will always be able to strike. As Israel, Britain, Spain, France, etc.

Ty,

If you recall, the terrorists aren't really interested in landing. And yes, they will always be able to strike. but the pattern for al Qaeda has been to plan big spectacular terrorist attacks, that require considerable funding and planning. It's at least reasonable to argue that an aggressive stance on the war against radical Islam should strive to disrupt that effort. Take out Afghanistan and when the rats like Zarqawi flee to Iraq, take them out there. And while we're at it, going agressively into Warzistan could be a good idea. Can terrorism be prevented? Perhaps not. But was the policy of stablization, promoted over the past century, the best policy? Do we curl up in a ball and wait, or go out and promote pluralism, democracy, and capitalism? Where would you rather live - in North Korea or South Korea?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

Right out of the right wing playbook. Ignore the facts. More terrorist attacks in this country committed by americans than foreigners.

Oh, no. I'm quivering cause if we don't fight them over there than they will fight here. LOL

yep, can't wait for the terrorists to land here and start a war. Regardless, the terrorists will always be able to strike. As Israel, Britain, Spain, France, etc.

Ty,

If you recall, the terrorists aren't really interested in landing. And yes, they will always be able to strike. but the pattern for al Qaeda has been to plan big spectacular terrorist attacks, that require considerable funding and planning. It's at least reasonable to argue that an aggressive stance on the war against radical Islam should strive to disrupt that effort. Take out Afghanistan and when the rats like Zarqawi flee to Iraq, take them out there. And while we're at it, going agressively into Warzistan could be a good idea. Can terrorism be prevented? Perhaps not. But was the policy of stablization, promoted over the past century, the best policy? Do we curl up in a ball and wait, or go out and promote pluralism, democracy, and capitalism? Where would you rather live - in North Korea or South Korea?

Rand,

I understand your point, however that isn't what i'm referring to..and you know it. Many people say, if we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here. That is just absurd. We will never actively engage them here..other than what we are currently doing..breaking up plans, finding plots, discovering cells. So, that would mean we are currently fighting them here..correct?

You and I both know that this sort of poor logic and fear mongering is just used to promote the war. Whether you believe in it or believe it is winnable is not my point. I think you know my feelings. It is just good old fashioned marketing based on fear.

As for promoting pluralism, democracy, and capitalism..is that what we are doing. LOL. That wasn't the reason we went into Afghan or Iraq...and if so, why didn't we accomplish it in Afghan.

As for attacking countries..again, useless. Terrorists are all over. You can't subdue them. Nor do they just flee to another country..they are already there. And, furthermore, I love how conservatives refuse to attack the country most responsible for funding...when are we going into Saudi Arabia?

BTW, if you wanna accomplish those goals, there are much better ways than hinging success on elections. That should have been the last thing we worried about. Plenty of other democratic ideals to be spread first...freedom of press, speech, etc. all of those are way more important than elections.

[mraynrand]

As far as terrorist goes...tyrone is much more concerned with right wing extremists and neo nazi groups in this country. Mcveigh wasn't muslin, nor was that loon who killed doctors who performed abortions.

I love this. It's right out of the left-wing playbook. Caw! Let's not worry about a threat because there's a more convenient "threat" to prop up (and, look at that, it's those darned right-wing extremists). Left wing extremists had their pipe bombers (see Minnesota's own Sarah Jane Olsen). Right wing extremists had their McVeigh and the abortion-doctor killing dude. Scary! Sorry, it's a tired and lame argument.

Neo-Nazi groups. Hah! Funny! They are so rampant. Them and the Gangs are the real threats to the American way of life.

Right out of the right wing playbook. Ignore the facts. More terrorist attacks in this country committed by americans than foreigners.

Oh, no. I'm quivering cause if we don't fight them over there than they will fight here. LOL

yep, can't wait for the terrorists to land here and start a war. Regardless, the terrorists will always be able to strike. As Israel, Britain, Spain, France, etc.

Ty,

If you recall, the terrorists aren't really interested in landing. And yes, they will always be able to strike. but the pattern for al Qaeda has been to plan big spectacular terrorist attacks, that require considerable funding and planning. It's at least reasonable to argue that an aggressive stance on the war against radical Islam should strive to disrupt that effort. Take out Afghanistan and when the rats like Zarqawi flee to Iraq, take them out there. And while we're at it, going agressively into Warzistan could be a good idea. Can terrorism be prevented? Perhaps not. But was the policy of stablization, promoted over the past century, the best policy? Do we curl up in a ball and wait, or go out and promote pluralism, democracy, and capitalism? Where would you rather live - in North Korea or South Korea?

Rand,

I understand your point, however that isn't what i'm referring to..and you know it. Many people say, if we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here. That is just absurd. We will never actively engage them here..other than what we are currently doing..breaking up plans, finding plots, discovering cells. So, that would mean we are currently fighting them here..correct?

You and I both know that this sort of poor logic and fear mongering is just used to promote the war. Whether you believe in it or believe it is winnable is not my point. I think you know my feelings. It is just good old fashioned marketing based on fear.

As for promoting pluralism, democracy, and capitalism..is that what we are doing. LOL. That wasn't the reason we went into Afghan or Iraq...and if so, why didn't we accomplish it in Afghan.

As for attacking countries..again, useless. Terrorists are all over. You can't subdue them. Nor do they just flee to another country..they are already there. And, furthermore, I love how conservatives refuse to attack the country most responsible for funding...when are we going into Saudi Arabia?

BTW, if you wanna accomplish those goals, there are much better ways than hinging success on elections. That should have been the last thing we worried about. Plenty of other democratic ideals to be spread first...freedom of press, speech, etc. all of those are way more important than elections.

You know why we're in Saudi Arabia - business. And it's not a partisan thing either. This is part of the stabilization crap I hate. We tolerate the oppressive Saudis for our self-interest (and the rest of the world as well - note that the U.S. only gets 18% of our oil from the mideast, much of their oil goes to Europe and across the globe) - meanwhile a disaffected underclass develops that the Saudi leadership actually encourages. Like Egypt and other countries, they pull the Orwellian strategy of creating an external enemy (the U.S.) to distract them from their own problems. You might argue the U.S. government is doing the same with al Quaeda (your fear-mongering argument). The difference is that the threat is real and has been actualized. Still, terrorism can't topple our country, but it can still cause disrtuptions. it's not an imagined threat - overstated at times, but it exists.

You have a point about spreading democracy. It's better, if possible, to have an internal source pushing for reform, rather than toppling a government, and hoping it will take hold. we're in Iraq for the long term because we have to teach the populace some Western ideals. Is that arrogance? maybe, but what is the alternative? Perhaps inadvertently, Bush caused a similar situation in Iraq that Carter helped bring about in Iran. A democracy is nothing special if the people vote for or support a radicalized leadership. The chicken-egg question is how do you spread democratic ideals in a coutry with a repressive government? Will Islam ever really be compatible with western ideals such as pluralism, womens' rights, etc.?? There are no simple solutions.

[Freak Out]

And while we're at it, going agressively into Warzistan could be a good idea

Thats crazy. Pervez knows how far he can take it and at what speed. As much as I dislike the way he came into and has held power he is the only "good" option there right now. If we attacked the tribal areas with force we would start a chain of events that might lead to........a Nuclear war with India! Ya!

[digitaldean]

And while we're at it, going agressively into Warzistan could be a good idea

Thats crazy. Pervez knows how far he can take it and at what speed. As much as I dislike the way he came into and has held power he is the only "good" option there right now. If we attacked the tribal areas with force we would start a chain of events that might lead to........a Nuclear war with India! Ya!

Yup. And the way India and Pakistan hate each other, it wouldn't take too much to turn both countries into rubble. The last time they had a ruckus over Kashmir region they almost had a nuclear throwdown.

[Fosco33]

You know how shit happens in 3s... well I get home from my weekly travel to find that my girlfriend borrowed my car b/c hers was out of gas - she scraped into a pole while parking causing like 350 in damages... i played it off like I didn't care and didn't get mad at her. A few weeks back she borrowed it and left the lights on - had to jump it. I've told her not to use my car before - and she pulls it again.

What would you do?

[the_idle_threat]

You know how shit happens in 3s... well I get home from my weekly travel to find that my girlfriend borrowed my car b/c hers was out of gas - she scraped into a pole while parking causing like 350 in damages... i played it off like I didn't care and didn't get mad at her. A few weeks back she borrowed it and left the lights on - had to jump it. I've told her not to use my car before - and she pulls it again.

What would you do?

Ideally, you would have a conversation about boundaries and/or responsibility. :x

If you prefer to avoid a direct confrontation, however, perhaps lock up all sets of the car keys in a strongbox or something when you're out of town. I'd suggest taking them with you, but it's probably a good idea to bring along as few valuables as possible while traveling.

Sad that it would have to come to that, though.

[the_idle_threat]

Al Gore would probably endorse the lockbox approach. :D

[MJZiggy]

You know how shit happens in 3s... well I get home from my weekly travel to find that my girlfriend borrowed my car b/c hers was out of gas - she scraped into a pole while parking causing like 350 in damages... i played it off like I didn't care and didn't get mad at her. A few weeks back she borrowed it and left the lights on - had to jump it. I've told her not to use my car before - and she pulls it again.

What would you do?

You should have gotten mad. Now she thinks you don't care if she uses your car and she doesn't have to respect the boundaries you've already set. You have to let her know that you're upset and if it happens again, you're gonna go through the roof.

[falco]

i would buy one of those packer pole things at the bottom of the screen all the time and hit her with it

http://www.rripe.com.au/?gclid=CI_bvOzyiosCFQgTWAode3_8JQ

[Fosco33]

You know how shit happens in 3s... well I get home from my weekly travel to find that my girlfriend borrowed my car b/c hers was out of gas - she scraped into a pole while parking causing like 350 in damages... i played it off like I didn't care and didn't get mad at her. A few weeks back she borrowed it and left the lights on - had to jump it. I've told her not to use my car before - and she pulls it again.

What would you do?

You should have gotten mad. Now she thinks you don't care if she uses your car and she doesn't have to respect the boundaries you've already set. You have to let her know that you're upset and if it happens again, you're gonna go through the roof.

Well I am upset and she obviously knows that - she's also probably embarrassed since she knew the boundary existed. I bet she put herself through enough stress thinking about how to tell me, etc. and even took the car into a shop, got an estimate and offered to get it fixed. My problem now is - she's not able to afford it. So, it will one way or another become my problem to pay for. I'm seeing some patterns in this relationship and this is just another point where it makes me question my long-term commitment.

The Packer pole is a hilarious idea, BTW.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Her car was out of gas? What does that mean? She drove her car to the point where it just conked out at your place. Does that mean she was expecting a ride to the gas station where she would fill up a gas container?

I think you know what to do with a chick like that. This isn't a chick issue..this is a person issue.

And, she can't afford 350 to fix it. Dude, what type of chicks are you dating? I know the chicks at subway are cute and all..but, c'mon.

You need to make a decision. Are you planning on supporting her the rest of her life, if so, marry her. Otherwise you need to look at the long term ramifications of being with someone who doesn't respect you, respect your shit, makes mistakes and can't afford to fix them, and most importantly..really isn't learning from their mistakes.

It is one thing to make a mistake if it only affects yourself..it is another if it is affecting someone else.

[Fosco33]

Her car was out of gas? What does that mean? She drove her car to the point where it just conked out at your place. Does that mean she was expecting a ride to the gas station where she would fill up a gas container?

I think you know what to do with a chick like that. This isn't a chick issue..this is a person issue.

And, she can't afford 350 to fix it. Dude, what type of chicks are you dating? I know the chicks at subway are cute and all..but, c'mon.

You need to make a decision. Are you planning on supporting her the rest of her life, if so, marry her. Otherwise you need to look at the long term ramifications of being with someone who doesn't respect you, respect your shit, makes mistakes and can't afford to fix them, and most importantly..really isn't learning from their mistakes.

It is one thing to make a mistake if it only affects yourself..it is another if it is affecting someone else.

She lives with me - we've been together like 4 yrs. And yes, most of the stuff you wrote hits home... she has a decent job (45K) but saves as much as she can and pays me almost half rent. She's also only parttime now b/c she's in school studying to become a physical therapist. And she can afford it, but put it this way - if I made her give me 350 at the start, I'd be paying for all the meals, etc anyways. I'll probably just have her give me more in rent over the next few months.


:idea:
Anyone familiar with using touchup paint? I got a decent sized bottle when a tree fell on my roof a year ago on New Years.... I figued I wash the affected area, sand/buff it to blend, wash it again and then apply the touch up. If it doesn't look good, then I'll take it in.

[Fosco33]

Sorry kids and mods, but this is not PG13.

I called Delta today and asked about reimbursement for the camera - they denied the claim because it is an electronic item.... :evil:

WTF - so - basically Delta says that anyone can steal any electronic item without resolve - give me a fuckin break. I fly to/from SLC every week at about a 15K/yr cost - I will refuse to fly Delta again until this is resolved. That'll teach a failing business that 15000>250. I've called and left msgs as such with the corporate office - maybe someone there has went through basic bath.

Airlines are moronic and are going under because they treat people like cattle and don't give a shit about anything. Passenger Bill of Rights needs to be enacted and something like this covered under the rights of the passengers to obtain reimbursement and retribution for stolen property.

[Fosco33]

Alright!

Score one for the consumer :D

Called Delta on my camera claim, and 'they made an exception' - paid in full.

How bout them apples?

[MJZiggy]

Spectacular!

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah bit now they probably have you designated as an S.I.F. flyer.

[MJZiggy]

I'm afraid to ask. S.I.F.???

[Kiwon]

Way to go, Fosco (Hey, that rhymes)!

S.I.F. flyer............ Seriously Intelligent Frequent Flyer? Sincerely Intuitive Frequent Flyer?

How about a regular customer with some self-respect whose fed up with Delta's crappy consumer policies? - Good job! Maybe there's hope for rest of us.

[Fosco33]

Man, I feel like a consumer activist. Most people who meet me determine I should be in sales or law.

So check this, my car tripped an engine warning light on a Sunday driving back from NorCal for a wedding trip. As I drive back, the car goes over 80K (time for a new one!).

Well, I bought the used car and a decent extended warranty (2/24K) - while I haven't driven the 24K - the year has lapsed. The dealer tells me the catalytic converter is shot and it will cost about a grand to fix.... I got a cheaper labor quote from an independent shop AND played another independent shop by not negotiating on payment or labor but a blind estimate. Here's why!

There are secret 'lemon laws' that most car manufacturers don't let consumers know about. Thanks to my Dad and Google - I found out about the 8 yr/80K federal rule for long term defects with emission parts! But here's the funny part, my car is about a tank of gas over 80K miles now ----

Had to call Nissan and negotiate an override - we'll see if they play ball. If not, I can actually take them on a small claims given the overall circumstances (timing of occurrence, location, etc.) - and they should pay for over 75%.

Anyone need help dealing with companies and need advice, I'm becoming my own novice advocate.

[MadtownPacker]

S.I.F. flyer............ Seriously Intelligent Frequent Flyer? Sincerely Intuitive Frequent Flyer?
Spit In Food flyer.

Lame, I know. :D

You keep fighting the man Fos!! Any chance you can fix your ride then drive up here and represent me in court?

BTW - Where in NorCal where u? Didnt even stop by and fire on up! :x

[Fosco33]

S.I.F. flyer............ Seriously Intelligent Frequent Flyer? Sincerely Intuitive Frequent Flyer?
Spit In Food flyer.

Lame, I know. :D

You keep fighting the man Fos!! Any chance you can fix your ride then drive up here and represent me in court?

BTW - Where in NorCal where u? Didnt even stop by and fire on up! :x

Capitola - thought about giving you a ring drive through on the 5 but had a tight schedule - next time for sure. Whatcha doing in court?

[MadtownPacker]

Capitola - thought about giving you a ring drive through on the 5 but had a tight schedule - next time for sure. Whatcha doing in court?
I stole some guys camera at the airport! :P

[Fosco33]

Capitola - thought about giving you a ring drive through on the 5 but had a tight schedule - next time for sure. Whatcha doing in court?
I stole some guys camera at the airport! :P
Good one. I've argued both sides and won before. Crazy dude. :lol: