Carr Released

[Zool]

Texans release former No. 1 pick Carr

ESPN.com news services

The Houston Texans have released quarterback David Carr a day after acquiring quarterback Matt Schaub in a trade with the Atlanta Falcons.

Carr was the first overall pick in the 2002 NFL draft and leaves the Texans as the franchise's all-time leading passer with 13,391 yards and 59 touchdowns in five seasons. Carr had a 22-53 record as a starter for Houston.

[Zool]

Anyone have contract information on his extension from last year? They must be eating allot of salary with this move.

[MJZiggy]

Bet he lands somewhere by tomorrow...

[Guiness]

Flat out released, eh? Wow - I'm stunned. I can't believe they didn't at least get a low rounder for him. Zool may be onto something though - if his contract was big, no one would pick it up.

I guess the exact same thing happened to Couch, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised. The same things were said about him at the time - he might be good, no one could tell because Cleveland was so bad :?
Of course, he was damaged goods. No indication Carr is at this point.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Flat out released, eh? Wow - I'm stunned. I can't believe they didn't at least get a low rounder for him. Zool may be onto something though - if his contract was big, no one would pick it up.

I guess the exact same thing happened to Couch, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised. The same things were said about him at the time - he might be good, no one could tell because Cleveland was so bad :?

Me to, I can't believe they didn't trade him. He's worth at least a 4th IMO. I wouldn't mined getting him...... :wink:

[Partial]

cam cameron is gonna pick this guy up.

[LL2]

That is a SHOCK! Wow! You would've thought a 3rd or 4th rd pick for the Carr, even if it has some mileage. It has to be the salary, which is probably in the 6 mil range.

[pittstang5]

Houston was probably trying to trade him all along. Once Houston traded for Schaub, I'm sure all NFL GMs that might have had an interest in Carr would just sit back and wait for him to be released. Why waste a pick or player(s) on a guy that's going to be released anyway.

[Partial]

Houston was probably trying to trade him all along. Once Houston traded for Schaub, I'm sure all NFL GMs that might have had an interest in Carr would just sit back and wait for him to be released. Why waste a pick or player(s) on a guy that's going to be released anyway.

To guarantee they can get him.

[Scott Campbell]

Why waste a pick or player(s) on a guy that's going to be released anyway.


You talking about Carr, or Moss?

[vince]

Pretty classy move by Houston to release him now and give him the best possible chance to play the market and select the best situation for him before the draft...

[Sparkey]

Releasing Carr is the type of move that has some significant draft day implications depending on where he ends up signing.

If he ends up in Oakland, it almost guarantees the Black & Silver draft Johnson. A qb with a big gun and a WR who is big and fast enough to run downfield and catch the aerial assualt.

That moves a QB (Quinn or Russel) down a ways and might mean a player slides more than one would think.

[gbgary]

Pretty classy move by Houston to release him now and give him the best possible chance to play the market and select the best situation for him before the draft...

that's exactly why he was released. he and the owner are pretty tight and this was done for carr's benefit.

[oregonpackfan]

The saga of David Carr is another tragic example of what happens when a rookie quarterback is designated the starter of a bad NFL team. He invariably performs poorly and his career is short-lived.

Other examples include Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington who were drafted by lousy teams and expected to lead their teams out of the doldrums as rookies.

While Vince Young had a good year as a rookie, he was drafted by a relatively good team.

Ideally, a rookie quarterback should have 2 years to sit on the bench and absorb the complexities of the game before taking over as a starter.

[Bretsky]

The saga of David Carr is another tragic example of what happens when a rookie quarterback is designated the starter of a bad NFL team. He invariably performs poorly and his career is short-lived.

Other examples include Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington who were drafted by lousy teams and expected to lead their teams out of the doldrums as rookies.

While Vince Young had a good year as a rookie, he was drafted by a relatively good team.

Ideally, a rookie quarterback should have 2 years to sit on the bench and absorb the complexities of the game before taking over as a starter.


Tennessee won 3 games the year before and was not winning much when Young was inserted as the starter. I'm not sure I'd call Tennessee a good team; Young was just exceptional.

That being said, I can't think of many NFL Rookie QB's who didn't initially struggle some. Marino comes to mind, but there are not many.

[imscott72]

The saga of David Carr is another tragic example of what happens when a rookie quarterback is designated the starter of a bad NFL team. He invariably performs poorly and his career is short-lived.

Other examples include Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington who were drafted by lousy teams and expected to lead their teams out of the doldrums as rookies.

While Vince Young had a good year as a rookie, he was drafted by a relatively good team.

Ideally, a rookie quarterback should have 2 years to sit on the bench and absorb the complexities of the game before taking over as a starter.

Exactly, which is what we've done with Aaron. What a shame it would be to unload him now. When Brett is done, Aaron will be more than ready.

[Bretsky]

The saga of David Carr is another tragic example of what happens when a rookie quarterback is designated the starter of a bad NFL team. He invariably performs poorly and his career is short-lived.

Other examples include Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington who were drafted by lousy teams and expected to lead their teams out of the doldrums as rookies.

While Vince Young had a good year as a rookie, he was drafted by a relatively good team.

Ideally, a rookie quarterback should have 2 years to sit on the bench and absorb the complexities of the game before taking over as a starter.

Exactly, which is what we've done with Aaron. What a shame it would be to unload him now. When Brett is done, Aaron will be more than ready.


I hope you are right and I am wrong on AROD

[imscott72]

The saga of David Carr is another tragic example of what happens when a rookie quarterback is designated the starter of a bad NFL team. He invariably performs poorly and his career is short-lived.

Other examples include Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Joey Harrington who were drafted by lousy teams and expected to lead their teams out of the doldrums as rookies.

While Vince Young had a good year as a rookie, he was drafted by a relatively good team.

Ideally, a rookie quarterback should have 2 years to sit on the bench and absorb the complexities of the game before taking over as a starter.

Exactly, which is what we've done with Aaron. What a shame it would be to unload him now. When Brett is done, Aaron will be more than ready.


I hope you are right and I am wrong on AROD

Thats just it B, none of us really know how he'll turn out. I'm not here saying he's the next Montana, but we just cant come out and say he's the next Harrington either based on the limited action. He's been around for a few yrs now and learned a lot about the game and watched a HOF QB perform. He's way more prepared then most 1st rounders ever are since they usually are thrown in the fire immediately. The jury's still out, but so many people are claiming he's guilty and dont think he deserves a trial. Hope that makes sense.

[MadtownPacker]

Well at least they did right by letting him go now. I now think he ends up with the raiders. At least al davis will try to get a good team around him. Something Hou failed to do.

Good luck Schaub, you are gonna need it now that defenses are game planning for you instead of a running QB (vick).

[prsnfoto]

2002 Houston Texans 16 16 444 233 52.5 2592 5.84 81 9 15 76/411 31 5 62.8
2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5
2004 Houston Texans 16 16 466 285 61.2 3531 7.58 69 16 14 49/301 47 6 83.5
2005 Houston Texans 16 16 423 256 60.5 2488 5.88 53 14 11 68/424 18 2 77.2
2006 Houston Texans 16 16 442 302 68.3 2767 6.26 53 11 12 41/240 25 3 82.1
TOTAL 76 75 2070 1243 60.0 13391 6.47 81 59 65 249/1466 143 21 75.5

These are not the worst stats considering he played behind the worst line in the history of football for 5 years(except the 2005 Packers) hes only 3 points behind favre in QB rating granted he only threw it 2/3s as much.

[KYPack]

Yeah, a surprise. Guess Houston had to make the move.

If somebody runs across it, post how much the Texicans have to eat on this release.

He probably doesn't fit TT's model (Thompson would be admitting the Rodgers pick needs to be "hedged"), but I've always like this kid. He looked like he was making good progress after his first few years, but that ballclub went to hell on him.

Mad's probably got it, the Faders will most likely make a move on Carr.

[red]

if i'm a texans fan i'm furious right now

almost everyone of them wanted vince young last year, the local hero. but the team said pass because they had carr

but the fans said, ok if we can't draft young we'll get the best player to come out of college in along time

but the team said, we don't need reggie, we have domanic

and here we are less the one year later, carr and davis are now gone, and young and bush look like the future of the nfl

and they are left with the guy they drafted that didn't do too much last year

[red]

2002 Houston Texans 16 16 444 233 52.5 2592 5.84 81 9 15 76/411 31 5 62.8
2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5
2004 Houston Texans 16 16 466 285 61.2 3531 7.58 69 16 14 49/301 47 6 83.5
2005 Houston Texans 16 16 423 256 60.5 2488 5.88 53 14 11 68/424 18 2 77.2
2006 Houston Texans 16 16 442 302 68.3 2767 6.26 53 11 12 41/240 25 3 82.1
TOTAL 76 75 2070 1243 60.0 13391 6.47 81 59 65 249/1466 143 21 75.5

These are not the worst stats considering he played behind the worst line in the history of football for 5 years(except the 2005 Packers) hes only 3 points behind favre in QB rating granted he only threw it 2/3s as much.

thats probably because he got sacked a 1/3 of the time he dropped back

[the_idle_threat]

I wonder if Carr, being a free agent and all, will be that quick to sign with the Raiders, who might have even worse pass protection than the Texans had last year.

[red]

I wonder if Carr, being a free agent and all, will be that quick to sign with the Raiders, who might have even worse pass protection than the Texans had last year.

i think he's got a good number of teams to choose from

if i'm the bears i'm calling this guy every half hour

[prsnfoto]

2002 Houston Texans 16 16 444 233 52.5 2592 5.84 81 9 15 76/411 31 5 62.8
2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5
2004 Houston Texans 16 16 466 285 61.2 3531 7.58 69 16 14 49/301 47 6 83.5
2005 Houston Texans 16 16 423 256 60.5 2488 5.88 53 14 11 68/424 18 2 77.2
2006 Houston Texans 16 16 442 302 68.3 2767 6.26 53 11 12 41/240 25 3 82.1
TOTAL 76 75 2070 1243 60.0 13391 6.47 81 59 65 249/1466 143 21 75.5

These are not the worst stats considering he played behind the worst line in the history of football for 5 years(except the 2005 Packers) hes only 3 points behind favre in QB rating granted he only threw it 2/3s as much.

thats probably because he got sacked a 1/3 of the time he dropped back

No shit IF you think about he has been sacked a season's worth of completions. His TD/INT is not stellar but his overall QB rating in my opinion is pretty unbelievable considering the situation.

[Patler]

If somebody runs across it, post how much the Texicans have to eat on this release.
.

I don't think it is all that much. There is a perception that he signed a new contract last year. I do not believe he did. The issue last year was if the Texans would pay him an $8 million option that was due. They did and it extended his contract through the 2008 season. That was all part of his rookie contract. I don't think they ever extended it after that.

Since he only had 2 years left anyway, the cap hit can't be all that bad even if they take it all in 2007. They have the option of designating him as an "early post June release" under the new CBA and dividing the cap hit over two seasons.

[KYPack]

If somebody runs across it, post how much the Texicans have to eat on this release.
.

I don't think it is all that much. There is a perception that he signed a new contract last year. I do not believe he did. The issue last year was if the Texans would pay him an $8 million option that was due. They did and it extended his contract through the 2008 season. That was all part of his rookie contract. I don't think they ever extended it after that.

Since he only had 2 years left anyway, the cap hit can't be all that bad even if they take it all in 2007. They have the option of designating him as an "early post June release" under the new CBA and dividing the cap hit over two seasons.

I was guessing around 4 mil, 6 at the max.

They've got some bread invested at QB, Schaub better pull thru for 'em.

[Patler]

If somebody runs across it, post how much the Texicans have to eat on this release.
.

I don't think it is all that much. There is a perception that he signed a new contract last year. I do not believe he did. The issue last year was if the Texans would pay him an $8 million option that was due. They did and it extended his contract through the 2008 season. That was all part of his rookie contract. I don't think they ever extended it after that.

Since he only had 2 years left anyway, the cap hit can't be all that bad even if they take it all in 2007. They have the option of designating him as an "early post June release" under the new CBA and dividing the cap hit over two seasons.

I was guessing around 4 mil, 6 at the max.

They've got some bread invested at QB, Schaub better pull thru for 'em.

The Texans' cap site is listing Carr for $2 million "dead money" in 2007 and another $2 million in 2008.

[pbmax]

The knock I have heard on Carr (not that I witnessed, I think I saw him play twice) has been that he has Bledsoe disease.

He holds the ball too long and moves into trouble. One site (footballoutsiders.com reader I think) had a report that the new coaching staff laid the blame for 1/3 of the sacks at his feet.

He was also criticized for throwing checkdowns too often. Sounds like something I have seen before.

[prsnfoto]

The knock I have heard on Carr (not that I witnessed, I think I saw him play twice) has been that he has Bledsoe disease.

He holds the ball too long and moves into trouble. One site (footballoutsiders.com reader I think) had a report that the new coaching staff laid the blame for 1/3 of the sacks at his feet.

He was also criticized for throwing checkdowns too often. Sounds like something I have seen before.

So I guess the question is was he that way from the start or did he become shell shocked.He was getting sacked 80 times a year and has a got it down to 53 was that the line improving or him adapting. The fact he was sacked 81 times his rookie year and still has all his limbs amazes me.

[BallHawk]

The fact he was sacked 81 times his rookie year and still has all his limbs amazes me.

And what amazes me even more is that last season, even with all the bad talent around him, he had the highest completion percentage in the league. That's speaks for itself that he can succeed in this league. I would love him as a Packer.