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OKC PackerFan
03-29-2007, 02:01 PM
Some say Favre's skills have declined so much that he's only an average QB, or that he's washed up. Favre was asked to do a lot with the restictions and limited options he had. Looks like to me he had to run an offense with one arm tied behind his back and still managed to produce.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=583950

Coach aims to get Favre on target

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy won some battles last season getting quarterback Brett Favre to play more efficiently in his version of the West Coast offense.

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy would like Brett Favre to improve his QB decision-making.

As he embarks on a second full season as Favre's head coach, McCarthy is focused on improving the quarterback's decision-making and overall efficiency.

McCarthy made significant headway with Favre last year, getting him to lower his interceptions from 29 to 18 despite an increase in attempts from the previous season, but he got slightly less production and saw a significant drop in completion percentage.

In the West Coast offense, coaches aim to have their quarterback complete 60% of his passes, and for the 13 seasons since Mike Holmgren brought the system to Green Bay, Favre had only twice completed less than 59%.

The 56% he completed last season was a career-low and the 55.6% the team completed ranked 27th in the league. There were many factors involved in those numbers, not the least of which were a league-high 43 drops and an inability to keep opposing defenses on their toes with a productive running game.

But Favre always has controlled the reins of the offense, and McCarthy will start with him in an attempt to make the passing attack more efficient, especially inside the opponents' 20-yard line where the Packers failed too often.

"He's part of the improvement in the completion percentage," McCarthy said Wednesday at the annual NFL owners meetings. "We need to get that up and quarterback is obviously a part of that. We dropped the ball too much and he did have a number of (different) receivers travel through.

"That's part of it, and frankly so is it being Year 1 (of his tenure). You can always look to improve your decision-making. You're always trying to improve that year to year. We need to improve in that area. We can't (complete) 56%. That's not what we're looking for."

In fairness to Favre, if the receivers had caught roughly half the passes they dropped last season, his completion percentage would have been better than 59%. And most of the time, McCarthy kept in seven blockers to protect his three rookie starting offensive linemen, leaving Favre fewer options.

Still, the increasing impatience Favre has shown over the years showed through in games in which the Packers fell behind. Of his 18 interceptions, 13 came in the second half and 12 came with the Packers trailing. At total of 11 came on first down, a likely indication Favre was trying to get it all back at once.

McCarthy wants to continue working on Favre's decision-making, which McCarthy thinks can improve even though Favre is a 37-year-old quarterback who has seen everything. When Favre returns from his off-season, the molding process will be picked up where it was left off last season.

"The decision interceptions are the ones that kill you because those are the ones that should not happen," McCarthy said. "They're the ones you can definitely fix. You're going to have a ball tipped. You might have a ball dropped. Those things you can't control, but the one thing that is constant year to year, you have to control the decision-making.

"He was much better than the year before, but that's not the goal. We need to improve that area. That's a yearly must in trying to improve."

McCarthy figures he won't have to be as conservative in the passing game this season because his rookie linemen will be stronger and wiser. He has put a major emphasis on strength training this off-season for his young linemen because too often they didn't match up physically with the opposition.

Favre will be greatly aided in his ability to find open receivers if he has the option of throwing to a running back or tight end out of the backfield, which wasn't the case last year when they were kept in to help block. McCarthy hopes to stretch the width of the field by sending his backs out, thereby opening up the middle or offering Favre an outlet.

"It's the most seven-man protection I've ever used, I'm not going to lie," McCarthy said of last season. "So we'll be able to get back to more of the base six-man protections and maybe some of the five-man protections that we have used."

McCarthy also might have the luxury of some added offensive talent to help inject some life into the offense. But even if the Packers select a wide receiver in the first round of the draft, they can't expect him to make that much of an impact.

So someone in the group behind Donald Driver - Greg Jennings, Robert Ferguson, Ruvell Martin, Carlyle Holiday, Shaun Bodiford among them - will have to play beyond expectations. And someone will have to replace tight end David Martin's role as a down-field receiver.

"Yeah, I'd like to add players," McCarthy said. "But I also think you have some young guys that are going to step up. Like I told them, 'A number of you guys have been standing in the back row for a number of reasons: injuries, you didn't get an opportunity, maybe the guy in front of you is a better player right now.

"It's time for you young guys to get in the front row."

And should they make it there, McCarthy intends to have Favre connect with them at a rate befitting of a true West Coast offense.

OKC PackerFan
03-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Sorry, looks like I'm late on this topic.

Merlin
03-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Any bets Favre is still asked to chuck it up over 600 times this season?

woodbuck27
03-29-2007, 02:11 PM
Any bets Favre is still asked to chuck it up over 600 times this season?

What else will he (MM) have if the running game slips anymore.

woodbuck27
03-29-2007, 02:36 PM
The real reason that Favre's numbers were not as good as they could have been:

1. not enough playmakers on 'O' thus fewer options.

2. Poor running game thus play calling slanted to the passing game.

3. Too much emphasis placed on maximum protection. (see 1. and 2.)

4. Except for DD. Inexperience at WR.

5. Way too many dropped balls.

6. Pathetic production out of the TE spot. (see 3.)

7. Too many checkdowns.

8. Poor ST play. ie Bad on KO's and not great on punt returns thus poor field position.

Packnut
03-29-2007, 02:39 PM
Any bets Favre is still asked to chuck it up over 600 times this season?

I'd say it's a good bet. Also a good bet the drops continue. Only thing on the bright side is may-be MM has realized max-protect is a recipe for NO OFFENSE. At least give #4 a chance...........

Packnut
03-29-2007, 02:42 PM
The real reason that Favre's numbers were not as good as they could have been:

1. not enough playmakers on 'O' thus fewer options.

2. Poor running game thus play calling slanted to the passing game.

3. Too much emphasis placed on maximum protection. (see 1. and 2.)

4. Except for DD. Inexperience at WR.

5. Way too many dropped balls.

6. Pathetic production out of the TE spot. (see 3.)

7. Too many checkdowns.

8. Poor ST play. ie Bad on KO's and not great on punt returns thus poor field position.

Nope, according to a couple of members here, that stuff has NOTHING to do with Favre's stats. God forbid we start using logic and reason to analyze Favre's play...........

woodbuck27
03-29-2007, 03:26 PM
The real reason that Favre's numbers were not as good as they could have been:

1. not enough playmakers on 'O' thus fewer options.

2. Poor running game thus play calling slanted to the passing game.

3. Too much emphasis placed on maximum protection. (see 1. and 2.)

4. Except for DD. Inexperience at WR.

5. Way too many dropped balls.

6. Pathetic production out of the TE spot. (see 3.)

7. Too many checkdowns.

8. Poor ST play. ie Bad on KO's and not great on punt returns thus poor field position.

Nope, according to a couple of members here, that stuff has NOTHING to do with Favre's stats. God forbid we start using logic and reason to analyze Favre's play...........

Inspite of all that Favre had a really decent season.

Mike McCarthy expects to improve on that with whatever that has little to do with more talent and more to do with less?

Give me a break. :)

Ohhhh forgot !! Good coaching.

OKC PackerFan
03-29-2007, 10:25 PM
The real reason that Favre's numbers were not as good as they could have been:

1. not enough playmakers on 'O' thus fewer options.

2. Poor running game thus play calling slanted to the passing game.

3. Too much emphasis placed on maximum protection. (see 1. and 2.)

4. Except for DD. Inexperience at WR.

5. Way too many dropped balls.

6. Pathetic production out of the TE spot. (see 3.)

7. Too many checkdowns.

8. Poor ST play. ie Bad on KO's and not great on punt returns thus poor field position.

Nope, according to a couple of members here, that stuff has NOTHING to do with Favre's stats. God forbid we start using logic and reason to analyze Favre's play...........

Inspite of all that Favre had a really decent season.

Mike McCarthy expects to improve on that with whatever that has little to do with more talent and more to do with less?

Give me a break. :)

Ohhhh forgot !! Good coaching.

Yup, inspite of all that, Favre is still excited about playing this year, you gotta love that.

Merlin
03-30-2007, 11:18 AM
Whoops.....double up them posts...

Merlin
03-30-2007, 11:18 AM
My opinion is that the younger players with their bright eyes and big aspirations are the reason that Favre wants to come back. The environment is keeping him young. We went through two hard years and I don't think their is a QB out there that would have wanted to stay in the situation Favre is in. No way Manning would stay. He would want to be traded to a team that has all-pro everything. He would be using every excuse in he book as to why the team sucks and none of it would point to him.

MacCool606
03-30-2007, 02:51 PM
Probably why Favre had so much fun beating the bears. Most of his passes stuck.

woodbuck27
03-31-2007, 01:44 PM
My opinion is that the younger players with their bright eyes and big aspirations are the reason that Favre wants to come back. The environment is keeping him young. We went through two hard years and I don't think their is a QB out there that would have wanted to stay in the situation Favre is in. No way Manning would stay. He would want to be traded to a team that has all-pro everything. He would be using every excuse in he book as to why the team sucks and none of it would point to him.

Yup. Favre flat out is justa football player.

There will never come any better than just the way he's been.