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Bretsky
04-14-2007, 04:48 PM
The Green Bay Packers haven't rolled the dice and taken a wide receiver in the first round very often over the past three decades. But when they have, the Packers have done as well as any team in football.

Bart Starr drafted James Lofton with the sixth overall pick in 1978, and today, Lofton sits in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Tom Braatz selected Sterling Sharpe at No. 7 in 1988, and Sharpe played in five Pro Bowls before a spinal-cord injury prematurely ended his career. And Mike Sherman used the 20th overall selection on Javon Walker in 2002, a player who was developing into a superstar before he demanded to be traded a year ago.

If current Packers general manager Ted Thompson decides to use his first-round pick on a wide receiver this year, he could certainly hit a home run himself. The class is deep and gifted and could have as many as six players taken in Round 1.

"It's a good group," said Thompson, whose team has the 16th pick in the first round. "I think colleges because of how wide-open the games have come to, I think there are more receivers every year than years past when it was a little less wide-open."

Green Bay could definitely use the help.

Donald Driver is coming off a career year in which he was named to his second Pro Bowl. But the Packers desperately need to give the 32-year old Driver some help.

Greg Jennings, a rookie starter last year, faded badly over the second half of the season. Reserves Ruvell Martin and Carlyle Holiday are relatively unproven. Robert Ferguson has shown next to nothing in six seasons and is coming off a serious foot injury. And Koren Robinson is on the NFL's reserve/suspended list for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy and can't even apply for re-instatement until Sept. 18.

"You always need playmakers," Packers wide receivers coach Jimmy Robinson said near the end of last season. "No matter what, you're looking to get better. That's not an indictment of the group as much as it's a statement of reality. That's the way it is.

"If you're not a solid starter, then we're looking to get better all the time. It needs to be a competitive situation, because that's the only way we're going to get to where we need to get to."

The crown jewel of this year's wide receiver class - and perhaps the entire draft - is Georgia Tech junior Calvin Johnson. Players with Johnson's combination of size (6-5, 239) and speed (4.35) come around about once a decade. If an NFL team were building a wide receiver, it would be Johnson.

Making Johnson almost too good to be true is, while he has Randy Moss' physical gifts, he has Marvin Harrison's character. Oakland might eventually decide Johnson's just too good to pass up with the No. 1 pick. And there's virtually no way Johnson will get past Tampa Bay at No. 4.

"My combination of size, speed and strength, and then my willingness to help out whatever team takes me," Johnson said of his strengths. "I believe those combined will help me make plays at the next level."

While Johnson will be long gone when Green Bay's first-round pick comes up, he might be the only wide receiver off the board. And if Thompson decides to go the wide receiver route, he'll have several attractive options.

Tennessee junior Robert Meachem has all the necessary physical gifts and is coming off a monstrous season. LSU's Dwayne Bowe has great size and toughness. And USC's Dwayne Jarrett was one of the most productive receivers in college football in years despite sub-par speed.

The most intriguing prospect, though, could be Ohio State's Ted Ginn Jr.

Thompson & Co. saw first-hand how a player like Chicago return specialist Devin Hester can change a game last season. Ginn Jr. has that type of ability and could eventually develop into a game-changing wide receiver, as well.

Ginn Jr. couldn't run for scouts until April 12 due to a foot injury he suffered in the national championship game. But anyone popping in a tape of Ginn Jr. knows his speed borders on world class.

"I think clubs know what he's capable of," Houston general manager Rick Smith said of Ginn Jr. "He's got a body of work that you can look to, so I would think that he's going to be OK."

Ginn Jr. improved as a receiver every year at OSU and had his best season in 2006 when he had 59 catches and nine TDs. But it's Ginn Jr.'s ability as a return man that has scouts drooling. In 102 punt and kickoff returns at OSU, Ginn Jr. brought eight back for touchdowns.

Hester, dubbed the "Windy City Flyer," had six return TDs during the regular season last year. Then he returned the opening kickoff of the Super Bowl for a TD, as well.

Many believe Ginn Jr. can do the same for the team that drafts him.

"He will bring excitement to our league, similar to Devin Hester bringing excitement to our league," Chicago coach Lovie Smith said of Ginn Jr.

"He's an outstanding returner," James Harris, Jacksonville's vice president of player personnel said of Ginn Jr. "He's made some big plays doing that and I'm pretty sure wherever he goes, he's going to be a threat doing that."

Green Bay's feeble special teams - which have ranked dead last the past two seasons - could certainly use such a spark. And the Packers' offense, which desperately needs a vertical threat, could certainly benefit from the presence of Ginn Jr.

In typical Thompson form, though, he downplayed his team's needs.

"We don't have any major needs," he said. "As far as the receiver position, we have some guys who can play."

"I think at every position in the draft, you can get guys that can help your team. If we could do that (at receiver), that would be fine."

Bretsky
04-14-2007, 05:08 PM
In typical Thompson form, though, he downplayed his team's needs.
"We don't have any major needs," he said. "As far as the receiver position, we have some guys who can play."


Classic for the Snapper

Anyways, I'm at peace with Ginn or Meachem in round one. Ginn might develop to be Joey Galloway like with great return ability for specials, and I still think Meacham is very Javon Walker like with a good attitude.

Unless TT wants Lynch or Nelson at 16, a trade down 4-8 spots this year REALLY makes sense as there is a ton of talent at WR.

The depth at WR this year may be as good as the solid 2001 class

Bretsky
04-14-2007, 05:13 PM
MORE STOLEN INFO FROM ESPN INSIDER

Ohio State WR/RS Ted Ginn Jr. was finally able to perform for NFL scouts on Wednesday, just 17 days prior to the 2007 draft (April 28-29). For starters, Ginn participated only in the 40-yard dash and position drills, which means NFL teams have no shuttle times or leaping results to record on him.

He ran three 40-yard dash attempts in the 4.4-second range (4.41, 4.45 and 4.49). Those are good times for most but hardly to the world-class standards Ginn was expected to achieve. For comparison purposes, Ohio State's No. 4 receiver, Roy Hall, was timed by some scouts in the high 4.3-second range during last month's pro day -- and Hall is 6-foot-2 and 229 pounds.

It's important to note that trainers claim Ginn's foot injury is only 75-percent healed at the moment. While it helps explain his unspectacular 40 times, it does not ease concerns regarding his durability issues. Doctors expect Ginn to return to full form in the near future, but NFL teams are understandably worried about his recovery time. After all, he suffered the injury celebrating a touchdown return in the national championship game more than three months ago. The 5-foot-11, 178-pound receiver caught the ball well in drills, but he noticeably began to favor his foot midway through the session.

As always, it's important to put these workouts in perspective. It doesn't take much game-tape to diagnose Ginn Jr. as one of the fastest players in the class when he's 100-percent healthy. On the flipside, it doesn't take much time in the film room to recognize his weaknesses as a receiver, which includes inconsistent focus, poor route-running skills and a general lack of toughness. With that in mind, Wednesday's workout in Columbus could not have done much to sway scouts' opinions one way or the other. Still, it's safe to say Ginn was underwhelming.

Now that all the information is in, here's how I rank the top-10 wide receivers in the 2007 draft class:

1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech -- Most talented athlete in this year's draft.

2. Dwayne Bowe, LSU -- Didn't run especially well, but a steal if he slips to the bottom half of Round 1.

3. Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State -- Overrated receiver but explosive return ability makes up for it.

4. Robert Meachem, Tennessee -- Second-round receiver on film; 4.3 speed gets him drafted late in the first.

5. Dwayne Jarrett, USC -- Better prospect than Mike Williams (Lions) but still will disappoint in the NFL due to poor separation skills.

6. Steve Smith, USC -- Underrated talent; should be a good No. 2 or great No. 3 WR in the NFL.

7. Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State -- Better pure receiver (hands, routes and toughness) than Ginn Jr.

8. Sidney Rice, South Carolina -- First-round height, athleticism and leaping ability, but Day 2 burst and strength.

9. Craig Davis, LSU -- Tremendous athleticism and speed but questionable toughness.

10. Jason Hill, Washington State -- Third-round prospect, will get over-drafted due to excellent 40-time.

Scott Campbell
04-14-2007, 05:28 PM
In typical Thompson form, though, he downplayed his team's needs.
"We don't have any major needs," he said. "As far as the receiver position, we have some guys who can play."


Classic for the Snapper




I think it's also classic for anyone that insists on drafting the best player available istead of for need.

RashanGary
04-14-2007, 05:38 PM
After Johnson, Jarrett and Bowe; I like Jason Hill.

b bulldog
04-15-2007, 02:26 PM
After Johnson, you can have some big time red flags on any of these WR's. Some will be playmakers, some will be BUSTS!

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Hey bretsky..I see what you like about Meachem. I watched some mroe highlight tape of him and he looked like JW the II

He's got some boom or bust to him though.

ND72
04-15-2007, 02:31 PM
I have this feeling that Teddy is going to draft someone we're not even thinking of. I think he'll be taking the top guy on his board, and only he might know who that guy is. I'm ready for a fun day, but also for a surprise at 16.

b bulldog
04-15-2007, 02:32 PM
meachem's college career without his forty time is a second round talent. His size and speed is very comparable to Walker and we do need a bigger deep threat for the future to pair with Jennings.

b bulldog
04-15-2007, 02:32 PM
I see many trades

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 04:20 PM
meachem's college career without his forty time is a second round talent. His size and speed is very comparable to Walker and we do need a bigger deep threat for the future to pair with Jennings.

That's what I see too. He did have that injury that held him back a little last year and the year before so I think the Meachem of this year might be more representative of what you can expect than the previous 2 years. This year alone as a JR he had first round talent but it's a pretty small sample size.

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 04:24 PM
I have this feeling that Teddy is going to draft someone we're not even thinking of. I think he'll be taking the top guy on his board, and only he might know who that guy is. I'm ready for a fun day, but also for a surprise at 16.

I think you might be right. #5 was predictable and all of his 2nd rounder have been completely unpredictable. I would suspect something less predictable than Hawk but more predictable than Jennings or Collins.

b bulldog
04-15-2007, 06:27 PM
The real question is, is what is your username going to be next season?? Predictions??

Joemailman
04-15-2007, 07:03 PM
After CJ, I think Bowe is the WR will the least bust risk. Big, strong, fast but not a burner, and has played at a high level against top competition.

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 07:30 PM
The real question is, is what is your username going to be next season?? Predictions??

We'll see who we draft. I like Patrick Willis a lot and I would definitly make it him if we drafted him but we have to acctually pick the player.

I wouldn't do Lynch if we picked him although I think he's pretty damn good, I just try to make it more of a challenge.

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 07:33 PM
After Johnson, Jarrett and Bowe; I like Jason Hill.

Oh, I forgot to put Ginn in there.

HarveyWallbangers
04-15-2007, 07:43 PM
Who needs these guys, when you have Carlton Brewster on the team? Brewster tore up NFL Europa in week 1.

RashanGary
04-15-2007, 09:04 PM
Who needs these guys, when you have Carlton Brewster on the team? Brewster tore up NFL Europa in week 1.

I like Driver, Jennings, Martin and Holliday but I think we would be better served with a decent #3 WR.

This is a pretty good draft for WR's so we very well could get that 3rd piece this year.

HarveyWallbangers
04-15-2007, 09:39 PM
meachem's college career without his forty time is a second round talent. His size and speed is very comparable to Walker and we do need a bigger deep threat for the future to pair with Jennings.

Kind of interesting. I can't profess to know if Meachem has the ball skills on deep balls that Javon does. However, athletically, they are pretty comparable. Javon only had one good year in college also.

privatepacker
04-16-2007, 11:06 AM
I would rather go after a 3rd round prospect like Walker- FL. Int. or Jones from Lane. I think we got a fair base but you can always upgrade and these two guys would do that.