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Rastak
04-29-2007, 04:46 PM
Justin Harrell
DT | (6'4", 300, 5.04) | TENNESSEE

Scouts Grade: 90

Flags: (I: INJURY) Coming off injury that may affect play Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 1
Pick (Overall): 16(16)
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Strengths: Is tall with adequate bulk and even more room on his frame to get bigger. He caries his weight extremely well and is a fluid athlete for his size. Shows good initial quickness and the ability to disrupt the run consistently. Is able to change directions quickly and also shows some closing burst for such a big defender. He is big enough to hold his ground versus the run when he gets good positioning and stays low. He displays above average lower body strength to clog a gap versus the run. He can push the pocket and uses long arms to disrupt the vision of opposing quarterbacks. He showed impressive leadership and toughness with his willingness to play through a biceps tear during the Florida game as a senior in 2006.

Weaknesses: He has never been very productive as a pass rusher. He seems to lack awareness and instincts in that regard. He also needs to use his hands better in order to get off of blocks. He is stout versus the run but lacks explosive upper body strength to jar offensive linemen initially. Durability is a significant issue after partially torn biceps injury cost him the final 10 games of his senior season in 2006. He also missed time with leg and ankle injuries in 2003 and another ankle injury in 2004.

Overall: Harrell was redshirted in 2002. In 2003, he missed the first five games with a broken ankle and then appeared in the remaining eight games, registering 10 total tackles and one tackle for loss. Harrell underwent right leg surgery midway through spring practice in March, 2004. He returned in the fall, played in all 13 games, starting the first 11 before being removed from the Kentucky game (ankle injury) and then held out of the starting lineup for the final two games. Harrell finished that season with 26 total tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, 12 quarterback hurries, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries. He started all 11 games in 2005 and recorded 39 total tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and two interceptions, returning one for a touchdown. Harrell played in and started just three games in 2006, finishing with seven total tackles and 1.5 tackles for loss. He ruptured a biceps tendon against Air Force (9/9) but played the following week against Florida before shutting it down for the season.
Harrell is an impressive athlete for his size and he also displays good natural strength. He has never been a great pass rusher and he's also coming off a partially torn biceps that forced him out for the final 10 games of his senior season. However, his rehab went extremely well and he's not expected to have any lingering affects from the injury. From what we saw of Harrell prior to the injury, he has the potential to develop into a very good two-down starter in the NFL. We think he's worth drafting late in the first or early in the second round of the 2007 draft.



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Brandon Jackson
RB | (5'9", 210, 4.54) | NEBRASKA

Scouts Grade: 77 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 2
Pick (Overall): 31(63)
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Strengths: He's a shifty back with excellent balance and body control. Displays the ability to stop and start with great ease. Shows good vision and possesses the initial burst to quickly hit the crease he sees developing. Runs with outstanding pad-level and always seems to be under control. He is a slippery runner that doesn't seem to take a lot of big hits and elusive enough to consistently make defenders miss one-on-one in space. He shows good toughness as an inside runner and will keep his legs driving after contact. Also displays enough burst to consistently turn the corner as an outside runner. He lacks elite speed but he does have a second-gear in the open-field and can beat some defensive backs in a foot race. He's a reliable underneath receiver and he's shifty and dangerous after the catch. He has been durable and he doesn't have much mileage on his legs.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal game experience and is a bit unproven. Has looked extremely promising in spurts but he has never proven capable of carrying a full load as the premier back. He still needs to get a bit bigger and stronger. He runs hard and shows some power but he's not the type that will run over defenders or push the pile much in short-yardage situations. He possesses adequate-to-good speed, but does not show elite second-gear in the open-field. He has room to improve as a route runner. While he has been reliable catching the ball, he has a tendency to let it get into his pads and needs to learn to catch with his hands far more frequently. Needs to improve his technique and awareness in pass pro. Also has had some fumbling issues in the past.

Overall: Jackson saw action in 10 of 11 games as a true freshman in 2004 and carried 85 times for 390 yards (4.6 average) with six touchdowns. In 2005, he played in nine of 12 contests (two starts; Wake Forest, Pitt) and gained just 52 yards on 18 carries (2.9 average). Jackson then started nine of 14 games in 2006, rushed 188 times for 989 yards (5.3 average) and eight touchdowns, adding 33 receptions for 313 yards and two more scores. Over the past three seasons, he also returned 32 kickoffs for 579 yards (18.1 average).
Jackson's biggest weakness is his lack of experience. He will need to improve his bulk and strength in order to hold up as a premier back in the NFL, and he also lacks elite top-end speed. However, Jackson is an instinctive, shifty and tough runner with the size-potential to emerge as a good starter in a zone-blocking scheme. In our opinion, Jackson is one of the more underrated prospects in the 2007 class and he could become a steal from the second-or-third round range of the 2007 draft.



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James Jones
WR | (6'0", 207, 4.54) | SAN JOSE STATE

Scouts Grade: 48

Flags: (M: MENTAL) Does not retain and learn the system Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 3
Pick (Overall): 14(78)
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Strengths: Is smooth getting in and out of cuts, has adequate quickness and runs adequate short-to-intermediate routes. Shows adequate awareness, reads defenses fairly well and can settle into soft spots when sees zone coverage. Footwork is sound and flashes the ability to get a clean release working against press coverage. Is tough and isn't afraid to go over the middle. Times jumps well, has great leaping ability and flashes the ability to catch the ball at its highest point despite height. Competitive, fights for the ball when it's in the air and can make the tough catch in traffic. Has experience returning punts, can long snap and can contribute on special teams. While didn't play at a collegiate powerhouse, plays with confidence and appeared to be at best in biggest games.

Weaknesses: Doesn't show a second gear when tracking the ball downfield and isn't going to stretch many defenses. Occasionally loses focus, has some problems locating balls thrown over shoulder and drops some passes should catch. Though runs hard and flashes the ability to make the first defender miss lacks breakaway speed and isn't much of a homerun threat after the catch. Doesn't play with enough of a mean streak and isn't much of a blocker at this point. Marginal score on the Wonderlic Test.

Overall: Jones was redshirted in 2002 before playing in nine games (zero starts) in 2003 as a backup receiver and long-snapper catching one pass for eight yards. In 2004, he saw action in all 11 games (six starts) and caught 25 passes for 317 yards (12.7 average) and one touchdown. Jones started three of 11 contests in 2005, making 30 receptions for 278 yards (9.3 average) and scoring one touchdown. In 2006, he started 12 of 13 games hauling in 70 passes for 893 yards (12.8) and 10 touchdowns, earning a second team All-WAC selection. For his career he has carried 24 times for 126 yards and one touchdown. Additionally, Jones has returned 42 punts for 307 yards (7.3 average).
Jones' potential is limited by his lack of top-end speed, but he has the skills to develop into a productive sub-package receiver who also contributes on special teams. His mental and physical development as a senior has improved his draft stock significantly and he could come off the board as early as the fifth round.



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Aaron Rouse
S | (6'4", 223, 4.58) | VIRGINIA TECH

Scouts Grade: 64 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 3
Pick (Overall): 26(89)
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Strengths: A tall, well-built strong safety prospect with exceptional straight-line speed for his size. He has the size potential to match up as an in-the-box strong safety type in the NFL. Fills hard versus the run and flashes some power upon contact as a tackler. He occasionally will make his presence known over the middle in coverage. Shows good closing burst when the ball is in the air. Also displays good ball skills. He has been a durable player throughout his career.

Weaknesses: Former outside linebacker with some athletic limitations. Does he fit as an outside linebacker or strong safety in the NFL? He is high-cut and shows some stiffness in his hips. He has excellent straight-line speed but will struggle to change directions in space. He does not show the quick-twitch athleticism to match up one-on-one versus NFL slot receivers. He must also continue to improve his angles in run support. He can play out of control at times.

Overall: Rouse appeared in all 13 games in 2003 as a true freshman and made 46 total tackles and three tackles for loss. He saw action in all 13 games in 2004, registering 37 total tackles, including 2.5 tackles for loss at outside linebacker. Rouse started all 13 contests at strong safety in 2005, finishing the season with 77 total tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, four interceptions, five pass breakups, one fumble recovery, and one forced fumble. In 2006 he appeared in all 13 games, with 10 starts, and recorded 57 total tackles, two tackles for loss, one forced fumble, and one interception.
Rouse possesses an exceptional combination of size and speed, and he showed flashes of playmaking ability at the collegiate level. However, while he has first-round tools, Rouse is an underachiever and a positional misfit from an NFL perspective. He doesn't play the game with enough aggressiveness or toughness to project as a linebacker and he makes too many mistakes in coverage to be trusted as a safety at this point. In our opinion, Rouse is too much of a boom-or-bust prospect to draft any earlier than the third round.



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Allen Barbre
OT | (6'4", 300, 4.84) | MISSOURI SOUTHERN

Scouts Grade: 66

Flags: (B: BULK/SIZE) Lacks size/bulk for position Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 4
Pick (Overall): 20(119)
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Strengths: Shows a quick first step and can beat defenders to the point of attack. Plays with a mean streak and works to the whistle. Takes sound angles to blocks, generally plays under control in space and can get into position at the second level. Shows good range, can get around the corner when asked to pull and is big enough to engulf linebackers. Shows good lateral mobility when run blocking ands can reach defenders lined up outside him. Gets into pass set quickly and can ride edge rushers past the pocket when extends arms.

Weaknesses: Plays with a narrow base, loses balance at times and has some problems sustaining blocks. Lacks ideal lower body strength, frequently plays too high and is going to have problems driving defenders off the ball. While has quick feet and flashes the ability to redirect in pass protection footwork is somewhat inconsistent, struggles to change directions quickly and is vulnerable to double moves. Bends at the waist rather than the knees and can get pushed back into the pocket. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to make the jump to the NFL.

Overall: Babre began the 2003 campaign as a reserve but moved into the starting lineup for the final six contests of his true freshman season, including the last five games at left tackle. In 2004, he did not play in the season opener and did not start the second game, but then regained his starting job for the rest of the year. Babre started all 10 games at left tackle in 2005 and was named to the All-MIAA first-team. In 2006, Barbre once again started every game (11) at left tackle earning multiple Division II All-American accolades.
Barbre is a small-school prospect who has the natural ability to develop into a contributor at guard and/or tackle in the NFL. He is a bit undersized and has the mobility to fit a scheme such as the Colts or Broncos. That said; he needs to get stronger at the point of attack and refine his technique. Following a tremendous showing at the combine, Barbre projects as an early-Day 2 pick.





David Clowney
WR | (6'0", 188, 4.36) | VIRGINIA TECH

Scouts Grade: 71

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 5
Pick (Overall): 20(157)
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Strengths: Possesses adequate height and the frame to add bulk. Is quick and fast. Shows good initial burst and reaches top-speed in a hurry. Shows enough acceleration to consistently get over the top of DB's in man-to-man coverage as a vertical route runner. Displays soft hands and is reliable receiver. Shows good burst out of his breaks. He's a smooth and fluid athlete. Can shift his weight when getting in and out of cuts without needing to gear down. Lacks size and strength but shows toughness. Not afraid to go over the middle and shows the ability to hold onto the ball when taking a big hit. Gives a good effort as a blocker and works to sustain, despite marginal bulk and strength. Continues to improve with more experience. Shows a good work ethic and is willing to put in the time it takes to make a contribution in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Is an angular prospect with adequate height but marginal bulk. Lacks strength, which will lead to problems releasing off the line of scrimmage versus press coverage in the NFL. He gets pushed around by bigger defensive backs at times and he is taken out of his routes too easily. Still has room to improve in terms of setting up defenders and finding soft spots in zone coverage. Durability concern is minor; he broke his hand in the spring of 2005 and sat out the Cincinnati game in 2006 after undergoing an appendectomy.

Overall: Clowney notched 5 catches for 67 yards and one touchdown as a true freshman in 2003. In 2004, he played caught 20 passes for 263 yards (13.2 average), and two touchdowns. Clowney played in all 13 games for the Hokies in 2005, starting the final 12 contests. He led the team with 34 receptions for 619 yards (18.2 average) and scored three touchdowns. Clowney finished the 2006 season with 34 catches for 424 yards (12.5 average) after starting five of the 12 games he played in.
Clowney is a finesse receiver that needs to get bigger and stronger in order to hold up in the NFL. However, he is an underrated prospect with better skills than his production indicates because he played in a rotation at Virginia Tech and with an erratic quarterback (Sean Glennon) as a senior in 2006. In our opinion, Clowney has the speed, agility, instincts and hands to emerge as a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver in the NFL, which is why he could be a steal late on Day One of the 2007 draft.



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Korey Hall
ILB | (6'0", 232, 4.86) | BOISE STATE

Scouts Grade: 30 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 17(191)





Desmond Bishop
ILB | (6'1", 239, 4.72) | CALIFORNIA

Scouts Grade: 54

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 18(192)
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Strengths: Possesses good overall size. Is quicker than fast. Shows good instincts and a nose for the ball. Takes solid angles in pursuit. Is big and powerful enough to take on blockers in the phone booth. Fills hard versus the inside run and shows the power to blow up iso-blockers in the hole. He is a powerful tackler with good wrap-up skills in space. He plays with a high motor and a mean streak. Always seems to be around the football and is a playmaker versus the run. Makes his presence felt over the middle of the field in coverage.

Weaknesses: His marginal speed is a major limitation. He will struggle to make plays outside the tackle box versus the run and he won't be able to run around blockers when necessary. He needs to play with more consistent leverage. Will lose his power when attempting to take blockers on too high. Needs to do a better job of protecting his legs in space. Takes some false steps versus the play-fake. Lacks ideal closing burst as a pass rusher and must how to get off of blocks once reached. Not a huge playmaker in the passing game. Lacks the fluid hips and top-end speed to turn and run versus faster running backs one-on-one in coverage. Also displays below average ball skills in coverage.

Overall: Bishop originally attended City College of San Francisco where he was a member of their 2003 National JUCO Championship team. He earned first team JUCO All-American honors in 2004 after playing in 10 games and making 118 total tackles. He transferred to Cal-Berkeley in 2005 and wound up starting all 12 games and finishing with 89 total tackles, six tackles for loss, and one forced fumble. Bishop again started all 13 games in 2006, earning first team All-Pac 10 honors after finishing with 126 total tackles, 15 tackles for loss, three sacks, three interceptions, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries.
Bishop had a breakout season as a first-year transfer in 2005 and continued to improve as a senior in 2006. He has proven to be an instinctive playmaker with good size and toughness versus the run. Unfortunately, he will not be able to overcome his marginal speed and athleticism in the NFL. Bishop projects as nothing more than a reserve run-stopping inside linebacker with no value on passing downs, which is why he should will slip to the final few rounds of the 2007 draft.



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Mason Crosby
PK | (6'1", 212, 5.2) | COLORADO

Scouts Grade: 72 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 6
Pick (Overall): 19(193)
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Strengths: Possesses very good leg strength and has shown exceptional range on field goal attempts. Is consistent, is accurate and rarely misses field goal attempts inside 40 yards. Gets excellent distance when kicking off, is expected to push for punting duties during senior season and is versatile.

Weaknesses: Plays at Colorado, where the air is thinner. There is concern that power is somewhat exaggerated. Has had several kicks blocked and needs to polish his release technique.

Overall: Crosby won the starting spot as a true freshman in 2003 for all 12 games, made 31 of 37 extra point attempts (three blocked), and seven of nine field goal attempts (long; 44 yards). In 2004, he again kicked in all 13 contests earning unanimous first team All-Big 12 honors after making 31 of 33 extra point attempts and 23 of 29 field goal attempts (long; 60 yards). Crosby was selected to the All-Big 12 first team for the second consecutive year in 2005 and was the runner-up for the Lou Groza Award after converting all 31 extra point attempts and 21 of 28 field goal attempts (long; 58 yards) in 13 games. In 2006, Crosby again earned All-Big 12 first team honors after kicking in all 12 games, finishing 19-of-19 on extra points and 19-of-28 on field goals (long; 56 yards). Over his four year career he has kicked off 203 times for 138 touchbacks.
Crosby did not have a great senior season, he gets too many kicks blocked and his stats may be a bit inflated. However, he possesses a rare blend of power and accuracy, which is why he still grades out as the clear-cut No. 1 kicker in the 2007 class. Crosby projects as a late first-day or early second-day pick.



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Deshawn Wynn
RB | (5'10", 232, 4.47) | FLORIDA

Scouts Grade: 67

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 18(228)
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Strengths: Possesses prototypical size for an NFL running back. Is thickly built with enough strength to break some tackles when he lowers his shoulder. He runs with good balance and shows the ability to make quick cuts. He is at his best working downhill and between the tackles. Shows good vision and natural instincts as a runner. Is quicker than fast. Shows good agility and body control. Also shows good initial burst to-and-through the line of scrimmage. He has good size and strength to match up at the point of attack in pass pro. He has upside as a blocker if his technique and recognition skills continue to improve. He is a decent weapon as an underneath receiver. He catches the ball well when facing the quarterback and he is tough to bring down once he gets a head of steam after the catch.

Weaknesses: An underachiever throughout most of his career. Showed flashes of breaking out as a senior but then suffered a knee injury that lingered throughout much of the second half of the 2006 season. He also had a lingering shoulder injury in 2005, so durability is a concern. There are worries regarding maturity level and work ethic. He doesn't always run as hard as he can and he occasionally will opt to run out of bounds instead of lowering his shoulder and taking on the defender. He lacks elusiveness and elite acceleration. He will never be a homerun threat in the NFL and he lacks the explosiveness to consistently turn the corner as an outside runner. His effort can be spotty as a blocker and receiver. He lacks good route running skills and needs much work in that facet of the game. Struggles to adjust to the poorly thrown pass and can look stiff as a receiver.

Overall: Wynn was redshirted in 2002. In 2003, he played in all 13 games seeing time at running back and on special teams. He finished the year with 540 rushing yards on 115 carries (4.7 average), scored seven touchdowns, and caught 12 passes for 82 yards and one touchdown. In 2004, Wynn played in eight games missing four contests (Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Florida State, Miami) due to a groin injury. He rushed for 217 yards on 58 carries (3.7 average) and five touchdowns and he also caught five passes for 75 yards. In 2005, Wynn missed the opener against Wyoming by apparently committing team violations but was not officially suspended and then played in 11 games, making six starts. He led the Gators with 621 rushing yards and seven rushing touchdowns on 130 carries (4.8 average) and had 12 receptions for 161 yards and two touchdowns. Wynn appeared in all 14 games in 2006, with 10 starts, and carried the ball 143 times for 699 yards (4.9 average) and six touchdowns and also added six catches for 58 yards.
Wynn has the size, power and agility to make an impact in the NFL. It looked as if the "light was coming on" early in his senior season but a lingering knee injury prevented him from finally reaching his full potential. There are also red flags regarding his durability, immaturity and work ethic that will cause him to slip in the 2007 draft. Wynn is too much of a risk to draft on the first day but he should come off the board shortly thereafter.



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Clark Harris
TE | (6'5", 261, 4.8) | RUTGERS

Scouts Grade: 56 Selected by: Green Bay Packers
Round: 7
Pick (Overall): 33(243)
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Strengths: Possesses adequate-to-good overall size. Is tall with adequate bulk and room on his frame to get bigger. Takes solid angles as a blocker and will do a fine job of reaching his assignment on the second-level. Extremely productive receiver at the collegiate level. Shows good initial quickness. A big target in the passing game. Displays adequate-to-good athleticism for his size. Is instinctive and knows how to separate -- especially underneath. Is extremely productive as a short-to-intermediate receiver. Has had some minor durability problems early in career but has remained relatively healthy during final three seasons.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed and will never be a vertical threat in the NFL. He is mostly reliable as a receiver, but he will lose focus on occasion and seems to lose confidence if he drops a pass in a game (dropped three vs. Illinois in 2005 opener). Also possesses short arms. Not much of a threat after the catch. Can still add bulk and improve his lower body strength in order to match up better as an in-line blocker in the NFL. Is not as tough and physical as he likes people to believe. Doesn't give enough of an effort as a blocker and will shy away from physical matchups in the "phone booth". Also is a bit unpolished in terms of his footwork and hand-placement as a blocker.

Overall: Harris did not see any action in 2002 and was redshirted. He had surgery on his right shoulder at the end of the 2002 season and also injured his left knee in the following spring. He played in all 12 games during the 2003 season and caught 18 passes for 213 yards (11.8 average). In 2004, Harris started all 11 games and earned first team All-Big East honors after ranking second nationally for tight ends in receptions (53), receiving yards (725), and touchdowns (five), while averaging 13.7 yards per catch. He again started every game (12) for Rutgers in 2005 and finished the year with 584 yards and four touchdowns on 38 catches (15.4 average), earning his second consecutive first team All-Big East selection. Harris earned his third straight first team All-Big East selection in 2006 playing in all 13 games, with 12 starts, and catching 34 balls for 493 yards (14.5 average) and two touchdowns.
Harris is a highly productive receiver at the collegiate level. He is a big and reliable target as a short-to-intermediate pass catcher and he also can be a decent blocker in space. However, Harris is a vastly overrated prospect in our opinion. He lacks the speed to stretch the seam as a receiver in the NFL and he will get rag-dolled by bigger, stronger defenders as an in-line blocker at the next level. Harris is a talkative person with an inflated image of his value, yet his tough-guy image off-the-field doesn't translate to his blocking ability on the field. It will be a mistake if a team selects Harris any higher than the third round of the 2007 draft -- and even that might be too much of a reach.



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GrnBay007
04-29-2007, 04:49 PM
Thank You Ras!!

...and thanks for putting in so much time into posting all the info during the entire draft!!

We all owe you a beer(s) if you make it to the posters game. Probably not your game of choice but I'm sure you'd still have a great time! :D

MJZiggy
04-29-2007, 05:27 PM
You're a good man, Rastak. And 007, who wouldn't want to come and root against the Bears? Rastak, if you come I will buy you a drink.

Rastak
04-29-2007, 05:28 PM
You're a good man, Rastak. And 007, who wouldn't want to come and root against the Bears? Rastak, if you come I will buy you a drink.


I'm always up for a drink!



We'll see....

Scott Campbell
04-29-2007, 05:31 PM
This is a good thread. I missed the Harrell bio, and I'll be damned if I was going looking through 150+ pages to find it. Thanks Ras.

GrnBay007
04-29-2007, 05:40 PM
This is a good thread. I missed the Harrell bio, and I'll be damned if I was going looking through 150+ pages to find it. Thanks Ras.

Took me 15 min. to find that one alone..........then I reached out to our friendly Vike! :P

Kiwon
04-29-2007, 05:46 PM
Thank You Ras!!

...and thanks for putting in so much time into posting all the info during the entire draft!!

We all owe you a beer(s) if you make it to the posters game. Probably not your game of choice but I'm sure you'd still have a great time! :D

Good job, Secret Squirrel!

MJZiggy
04-29-2007, 05:46 PM
This is a good thread. I missed the Harrell bio, and I'll be damned if I was going looking through 150+ pages to find it. Thanks Ras.

Took me 15 min. to find that one alone..........then I reached out to our friendly Vike! :P

Who are you kidding? He spent the entire draft day with us. He loves us. 8-)

MasonCrosby
04-29-2007, 05:50 PM
This is a good thread. I missed the Harrell bio, and I'll be damned if I was going looking through 150+ pages to find it. Thanks Ras.

Took me 15 min. to find that one alone..........then I reached out to our friendly Vike! :P

Who are you kidding? He spent the entire draft day with us. He loves us. 8-)

he is a closet Green Bay fan...he just doesn't know it yet. one day he might realize it after breaking down, drinking heavily, and crying in an alley for 2 hours...

]{ilr]3
04-29-2007, 05:51 PM
Thanks! Nice info there. Some of those later picks I knew going into the draft were pretty high rated. Seams as though they got some nice value later in the draft.

Hope it works out that way too! :?

BooHoo
04-29-2007, 06:11 PM
TT was able to get us many picks. Now if we can get a few pro-bowlers here that would be great. Hey, I don't want to be greedy or anything but how about four pro-bowlers? :lol:

retailguy
04-29-2007, 07:21 PM
TT was able to get us many picks. Now if we can get a few pro-bowlers here that would be great. Hey, I don't want to be greedy or anything but how about four pro-bowlers? :lol:

How about ONE besides Driver?

Think we can squeeze one more appearance out for Favre?

MJZiggy
04-29-2007, 07:26 PM
TT was able to get us many picks. Now if we can get a few pro-bowlers here that would be great. Hey, I don't want to be greedy or anything but how about four pro-bowlers? :lol:

How about ONE besides Driver?

Think we can squeeze one more appearance out for Favre?

Kampman for instance? Or maybe it's just that it was agreed that statistically Woodson had a reason to be upset about not being selected.

b bulldog
04-29-2007, 08:26 PM
For a Vikings fan, your alright 8-)

retailguy
04-29-2007, 08:34 PM
TT was able to get us many picks. Now if we can get a few pro-bowlers here that would be great. Hey, I don't want to be greedy or anything but how about four pro-bowlers? :lol:

How about ONE besides Driver?

Think we can squeeze one more appearance out for Favre?

Kampman for instance? Or maybe it's just that it was agreed that statistically Woodson had a reason to be upset about not being selected.

Woodson got screwed and will get screwed again. Kampman is a possibility I'd guess, he had an "OK" year last year. :wink:

RashanGary
04-29-2007, 08:37 PM
I think Hawk, Harrell and Jennings all stand a chance at being probowl guys.

Hawk next year, Jennings within 2 or 3 and Harrell a year or so away.

I think they all have the ability to make the probowl. I think Collins does too but I doubt his ability to every be consistant. I think he's going to flash and fade throughout his career.

retailguy
04-29-2007, 08:39 PM
I think Hawk, Harrell and Jennings all stand a chance at being probowl guys.

Hawk next year, Jennings within 2 or 3 and Harrell a year or so away.

I think they all have the ability to make the probowl. I think Collins does too but I doubt his ability to every be consistant. I think he's going to flash and fade throughout his career.


Hmm... Is "flashing and fading" the sign of a good second round pick?

That description kind of reminds me of Cleditus Hunt and Torrance Marshall.

Bretsky
04-29-2007, 08:44 PM
I think Hawk, Harrell and Jennings all stand a chance at being probowl guys.

Hawk next year, Jennings within 2 or 3 and Harrell a year or so away.

I think they all have the ability to make the probowl. I think Collins does too but I doubt his ability to every be consistant. I think he's going to flash and fade throughout his career.


Hmm... Is "flashing and fading" the sign of a good second round pick?

That description kind of reminds me of Cleditus Hunt and Torrance Marshall.

Collins isn't Hunt or Marshall; he's a decent player who has the ability to get a lot better.

Marshall was never a player; Hunt was lazy with flashws. Collins has never shown to be apathetic or lazy.

I am worried Abdul Hodge will fall into the bust category. He looks like a Torrency Marshall type; great physically but just too stiff. I hope I'm wrong

retailguy
04-29-2007, 08:51 PM
I think Hawk, Harrell and Jennings all stand a chance at being probowl guys.

Hawk next year, Jennings within 2 or 3 and Harrell a year or so away.

I think they all have the ability to make the probowl. I think Collins does too but I doubt his ability to every be consistant. I think he's going to flash and fade throughout his career.


Hmm... Is "flashing and fading" the sign of a good second round pick?

That description kind of reminds me of Cleditus Hunt and Torrance Marshall.

Collins isn't Hunt or Marshall; he's a decent player who has the ability to get a lot better.

Marshall was never a player; Hunt was lazy with flashws. Collins has never shown to be apathetic or lazy.

I am worried Abdul Hodge will fall into the bust category. He looks like a Torrency Marshall type; great physically but just too stiff. I hope I'm wrong

B,

I said the description reminded me of those two, not Collins' play. I just wanted to know if "inconsistent" was a good trait for a second round pick?

Sure sounded like Greg thinks Collins will always be "inconsistent".

LL2
04-29-2007, 08:52 PM
I'm not crazy about the draft, but as they say give it a year or two to really know what we got.

Even though I was like WTF on the Harrell pick I still think he could turn into a stud. Looking at some of his pictures while playing looks like he has massive arms. Arms like Reggie White had and White used his sheer strength to bull rush and push players out of his way. Hopefully Harrell will be that type of disruptive force.

Brandon Jackson sounds intrigueing (sp?), hopefully he can contribute.

Aaron Rouse looks like he could play himself into a starting role. It sure would be nice if he replaced Manual.

Mason Crosby looks like he could be a steal. Looks like he needs some work, but he has a 68% touchback record. We need someone that can do kickoffs like that.

Now a TE that runs a 4.8 40? Don't we already have a slow TE that can't stretch the field? Well, he was a 7th rd pick so no biggie.

KYPack
04-29-2007, 10:19 PM
This Desmond Bishop ILB sounds like a Hodge clone.

Looks like we got some value in those "extra pick" dudes.

We probably won't get 5 starters out of this draft, but it still could be a good one for us.

I echo the Thanx, Ras. Good job on posting this info.

the_idle_threat
04-30-2007, 02:22 AM
Thanks Rastak! You have been an outstanding contributor to this board all weekend long. 8-)

run pMc
05-02-2007, 09:54 AM
I know I'm being waaaayyy optimistic here, and I'm not trying to jinx the kid, but did anyone else read Brandon Jackson's strengths and think he sounds like Emmitt Smith?


Strengths: He's a shifty back with excellent balance and body control. Displays the ability to stop and start with great ease. Shows good vision and possesses the initial burst to quickly hit the crease he sees developing. Runs with outstanding pad-level and always seems to be under control. He is a slippery runner that doesn't seem to take a lot of big hits and elusive enough to consistently make defenders miss one-on-one in space. He shows good toughness as an inside runner and will keep his legs driving after contact. Also displays enough burst to consistently turn the corner as an outside runner. He lacks elite speed but he does have a second-gear in the open-field and can beat some defensive backs in a foot race. He's a reliable underneath receiver and he's shifty and dangerous after the catch. He has been durable and he doesn't have much mileage on his legs.

HarveyWallbangers
05-02-2007, 10:28 AM
He actually reminds me a little of a poor man's Edgerrin James or possibly Dominic Rhodes with his running style.

MJZiggy
05-02-2007, 10:59 AM
btw, nice new look KY.