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TopHat
05-09-2007, 05:45 PM
TOP HAT: With minicamp and training camps coming, the Packer nation is asking, "Who will be the starting RB for the Pack in the coming season?" Later, I will add poll results from other sites.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=132600&ntpid=2

Packers: Starting RB job stirs six-pack JASON WILDE

The way Mike McCarthy sees it, the Green Bay Packers' lack of experience and proven depth at running back isn't a problem. "I'm not concerned, I've just got work to do," McCarthy said Sunday afternoon after the final practice of the team's three-day rookie orientation camp. "That's the way I view it. It's my responsibility to get them ready to play, and that's our focus." That work will begin in earnest when the team reconvenes for its three-day, full-squad mandatory minicamp May 18.
That's when the six-pack of possible starters - holdovers Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, P.J. Pope and Arliss Beach and rookie draft picks Brandon Jackson and DeShawn Wynn - should all be on the field together, kicking off a competition that will continue through the organized team activity workouts in June and training camp, which starts in late July.
"Obviously, everybody will be watching. But I think that it'll sort itself out," said McCarthy, whose team lost four-time Pro Bowl halfback Ahman Green, who signed a four-year, $23 million free agent deal ($6.5 million in guaranteed money and about $8 million in 2007 pay) with the Houston Texans in March. "No one in that group has been 'The Guy' before at this level. And you never know until you put those guys in that position. I think it's going to be a very competitive group."
Morency, who carried 96 times for 434 yards and two touchdowns last season after coming over from the Texans in the Samkon Gado trade, is the leading candidate to replace the franchise's second-leading, all-time rusher. But Jackson took a small step toward competing with Morency with a solid rookie orientation camp.
"It's very exciting for me to come in here and even have the chance to compete with these guys to start. I would love to be the starter here, but I know there's a lot of hard work (ahead)," Jackson said. "I know what I have to do to get on the field and play, but it's going to take a lot more to get out there and be the starter." A second-round pick from Nebraska, the 5-foot-10, 212-pound Jackson rushed for 989 yards and eight TDs on 188 carries as a junior last season while also catching 33 passes for 313 yards and two more TDs. He made a good first impression on McCarthy with his quickness. "He definitely has the quick feet and the explosiveness that we saw on film," McCarthy said. "I think he has the ability to be a playmaker from that position."
Wynn, a seventh-round pick from Florida, didn't make the same good impression, suffering a strained left calf during Friday's practice and sitting out the final two workouts. While McCarthy didn't think the missed time was catastrophic for Wynn - he still got quality classroom time and took part in walk-throughs inside the gym - it certainly didn't help him. "He didn't have the opportunity to progress as much as everybody else," said McCarthy, who expects Wynn to return for the minicamp. "The minicamp that's coming up, there's only so many reps for the young guys. (And) you just had three days of reps that were clearly for the young guys. So any young guy misses those reps, he obviously did not take advantage of his opportunity." There's also the matter of character risk associated with Wynn, who despite rushing for 630 yards in 10 starts for the national champion Gators last season fell to the seventh round of the draft because of his reputation for being lazy and undisciplined.
"I think it's important to give an individual a clean slate, regardless of what you heard or you think you know about that individual," McCarthy said. "Unfortunately, he suffered the injury. But there's obviously a lot of positives we saw about the young man. That's why he's here. That's what we'll focus on." For his part, Wynn used the same term - "clean slate" - and claimed his problems at Florida were exaggerated. "'Troublemaker' is (one) knock I had on me. 'Not a hard worker,' (is another)," Wynn said. "I'm here on a clean slate. I'm looking forward to making my own name here in Green Bay. "I see it as a great opportunity, with there being so many young backs on the depth chart. Just a lot of competition. It's going to be interesting."
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Run to Daylight: Return to Glory...Revisited by Bruce Smith

Mike McCarthy declared immediately upon his hire as Head Coach (and play caller) the Packers would run the ball. He reaffirmed that commitment by hiring Jeff Jagodzinski (an offensive line coach) as his offensive coordinator to install the zone blocking scheme. Jagz has moved on to Boston College, but MM promised he did not take the team’s desire to rush the football with him. Joe Philbin remains committed to the scheme. However it did not take too much time into his debut season before McCarthy was forced to face the hard realities that come with having two to three rookie starting offensive linemen – circumstances dictated putting the ball in the hands of his future Hall of Fame QB was his best chance at victory, – so he did, early and often. The resulting 8 – 8 record showed progress, but did not dismiss the need to strengthen the running game.
It would be ignorant to ignore the departure of FA Ahman Green, the 2nd leading rusher in Packer history, or the retirement of longtime workhorse FB William Henderson. So let’s acknowledge that both veterans’ departures will have major impact on the club – but then move on to discussing who will fill these very big shoes. Because despite Green’s and Henderson’s departures, with some maturation and perhaps changes in the offensive line, one should look for McCarthy to try and put the rush back in the running game in ‘07’.
It is only fair to start with the current #1 HB Vernand Morency. Vernand has the talent to be a player in this league. The only real question is does he have the talent to be a feature back or is he a career #2 guy who provides solid depth and good rotation??? Vernand has the kind of burst which can catch defenders flat footed, & his nice moves in the open field can leave defenders grasping at air when it works. He is quicker than he is fast, with good lateral and veer quickness, enabling him to change direction in stride. He has vision that helps him in traffic – essential for fitting into the Packers running game. At 5’9” (or 5’10” if you want to be generous) and 212 pounds he runs well downhill, squaring his shoulders and hitting holes with quick cuts and good pad level – which makes him a good fit for a zone blocking scheme. He is strong enough to run through arm and sloppy tackling techniques, but is not a power back that will get you the consistent tough yard. He is a fighter though, and surprises people once he gets a full head of steam going.
Morency is a decent enough blocker for a HB, not a striker but he will face up particularly when blocking on the edge. He does show a willingness to do the job and with experience should be able to handle blitz pickups well. Vernand has the kind of hands that could be developed and with work Verand could be developed into a very good 3rd down back. His running style would fit into a multitude of screens and flairs and his quickness is ideal for draws. Morency’s downside at this point include: Vernand can still regress to sloppy technique, which sometimes feeds an old tendency to put the ball on the turf when reckless. Some question his durability to be a primary runner, seeing him instead as a rotation back or a potential 3rd down specialist. Morency has had some character issues that have followed him and is a guy who warrants keeping a close eye on and this must be factored into any long term decision making on his future with a team. On the other hand, reports are he was a boy scout with the Packers last season.
As the Packers search to replace longtime running back Ahman Green this season, one of the prospects to fill that position will be from Green's old school Nebraska. Brandon Jackson, a 5-foot-10, 210-pound, 21 yr. old, was the Packers' pick in the second round. The fifth running back selected in the draft, Jackson is a football player with excellent feet and a natural runner. A late bloomer, BJ is sneaky-good – a player who could end up being far better than wannabe draft guru’s expect. Brandon has surprising power for a player his size and does a good job breaking tackles. While I think Gil Brandt’s comparing him to San Francisco's Frank Gore might be a bit much – he is a kid with the kind of talent that will surprise a number of people.
Brandon has great body control, above average speed (a 4.55 at the combine, but 4.41 for the scouts) and exceptional stop-and-go movement, which makes him a slippery runner who is hard to put a big hit on. Jackson is a very instinctive runner, with good vision that allows him to read plays extremely well. B.J uses superb jukes and lateral moves to find holes – which should serve him well in the Packers zone blocking offense. He is a very good fit for our system. Brandon has big hands that help him catch the ball well out of the backfield. It is likely that his versatility to run and catch the ball as well as his experience returning kicks were all factors in T.T. locking in on this 21 year old early entry in the draft
There is no doubt that Jackson had the talent to be an early pick, but injuries likely played a role in Jackson's slide to the bottom of the 2nd round. During his time at Nebraska, he tore the labrum in each shoulder and also broke his right hand – though he did not let this injury keep him from playing in the Cotton Bowl game to wrap up a Big 12 Conference first-team honors season. His 11 on the Wonderlic was low, but most scouts agree that he has football intelligence. New offensive coordinator Joe Philbin says this about Jackson, "Other guys in the draft may be physically bigger, or maybe ran a faster 40, but I don't know if you can teach those guys how to run the football. This kid was probably a good football player when he was 8 years old in the backyard, and hopefully he'll be good when we get him out here on Sundays."
Running backs coach Edgar Bennett says of Jackson, "He's shown the vision and instincts you look for in a running back also, for a back with his size, he did a good job breaking tackles – he showed very good power.” "Again, you think of a guy with that quickness, has the ability to make people miss, he's elusive, good receiver out of the backfield, you get kind of excited about guys like that." Jackson’s self-assessment: "I have a lot of confidence I can come in and start, I just have to work hard and earn that position. I'm no stranger to hard work."
The other rookie candidate,DeShawn Wynn, 5’-10” 338 pounds is long on physical talent, but unlike Jackson, comes with a questionable attitude and work-ethic. DeShawn is a thick powerful runner, who does have the patience to let the play develop in front of him. He has surprising get-up-and-go for a guy his size. Wynn has the size to swing back and forth from HB to FB, which should increase his value. He is a big guy with burst and a powerful stiff arm that disposes of anyone dreaming of arm tackling him. It won’t hurt that he comes out of a Florida system that required RB’s to learn to be solid route runners – Wynn looks very smooth running routes, a rare find for backs coming out of college. DeShawn Wynn was an elite running back coming out of high school that had top-notch colleges drooling over him as a prospect. After a quick start as a freshman DeShawn proceeded to disappoint until his senior season with the National Champion Florida Gators.
Where Jackson is 21, Wynn is 23 and has no time to waste in shedding a well-earned disappointment label. The numbers he but up at the combine – 40 in 4.47, a vertical jump of 31½ and a broad jump of 9-7 – were numbers that should have gotten a man of his size serious consideration for first day selection. But red flags and clashes with coaches resulted in a slide to the 7th round, where Ted Thompson determined that the risk/reward ratio was to positive to pass. On the positive side, DeShawn admits that his bad attitude after not being named the starter late in his freshman season seriously hurt him, but points to his senior campaign as a better indicator of what he is all about. In a championship run Wynn appeared to be a changed man – toughing out a right knee sprain and a left shoulder injury to finish with 267 yards and three touchdowns in 60 carries, including 19 carries for 73 yards and a touchdown in Florida's national championship victory over Ohio State.
Running backs coach Edgar Bennett may be just what the doctor ordered for getting and keeping Wynn back on track, as will the wide open competition for playing time in the Packers backfield. “He's a big back with very good feet and good burst," running backs coach Edgar Bennett said. "Good receiver out of the backfield. He flashes good toughness, he needs to learn that in the NFL a back just has to be consistent. We did our due diligence and studied him on and off the field and came away with the conclusion he's an intriguing player that can come in here and compete and see what happens and then kind of go from there. I think having some discussions with him, now in his career, he knows that he has to make certain adjustments and this is a business and he's coming in with the right frame of mind that he has to be professional about how he goes about his business on and off the field." If Edgar is successful and can get Wynn on the right track early, he may be one of those late round steals that are essential to being a successful franchise in the NFL
Noah Herron is a hard working kid who gets the most out of his limited athletic ability. Noah out-hustled and outworked his competition to steal a roster spot when Davenport was released. You can bet NO ONE will outwork him this off season. He is assignment sure, and runs, blocks and receives the football consistently, but certainly not flashy. He was the Packers primary third down back, but has to be considered a significant down grade from Tony Fisher – the player who held the position before him. Fisher was bigger, faster and more consistent, but Herron won the job when Tony moved on to St. Louis. Noah is the type of player who has a big heart and works his butt off – often the kind of guy that earns a living by standing out doing the dirty work on special teams. His hard work has paid and shown through improvement each week. Herron is also the type of player many teams like to have in their back pockets for signing if their roster gets depleted by injuries However if he is making a roster out of training camp, it brings into question the talent base the team put up for him to compete with.
Arliss Beach is an interesting story – one that many like to compare with Samkon Gado. There is a piece of misinformation frequently bandied about Arliss, stating that like Gado, he was never a starter in college. The truth is he was a starter who could never stay healthy – with fluke injury after fluke injury keeping him from ever putting his college game together. In fact, as a sophomore in his first start (against Florida) he scored all three TD in Kentucky’s near upset of the highly ranked SEC foe that afternoon. A most noteworthy thing about his college career is that Beach NEVER FUMBLED once in his 4 years at Kentucky, despite playing TB and being a kick return man for the Wildcats. Beach stood out in training camp with his quickness and pop in drills and scrimmages. And when given his first real opportunity Arliss exploded against the Atlanta Falcons for 50 yards on 9 carries, for a 5.5 average, while the rest of the running backs struggled to gain any yardage at all. Arliss is a tough versatile young player, who can block, receive and run with surprising suddenness.
As former offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said about Beach, “the guy that really ran downhill was Beach. We’ve been impressed with him in practice. he needs to stay consistent. He may have a real chance…” Head Coach Mike McCarthy said, “I’m in favor of tough guys, and I think he’s a tough, physical football player. He put his foot down and ran with a lot of forward lean. I think he’s a young man with a bright future. Beach looked as though he was on this way to making the roster in ‘06’ when he suffered the dreaded high ankle sprain in the final preseason game against the Tennessee Titans. Instead he ended up riding the injured reserve list which may have been a blessing. With a full off season of work in Green Bay and a year under his belt learning the offense – maybe, just maybe Arliss will avoid injury and finally get his long awaited day at the Beach.
P.J. Pope, a 5-9 220 lb 22 year old was snatched from da bear’s practice squad and put on the Packers’ roster last season. Say what you will about the Bears, but running backs is one thing they seem to have ample supply of, and Pope was good enough for them to want to retain him. P.J. has soft hands and is a tough runner. Pope put up big numbers as a rusher and receivers in his sophomore and junior seasons (all-conference) at Bowling Green where he is the only player in their history to rush for more than 3000 yards and accumulate more than 1,000 yards in receptions. He played big in Bowl games rushing for 157 and 2 TDs against Memphis and 214 yards vs. Western Michigan. During the pre-season, Pope led the Bears in rushing with 153 yard and a touchdown and had 4 catches for 4.3 yards. It was enough to gain him a spot on their practice squad and they were not pleased to lose him to the Packers....

Cheesehead4
05-09-2007, 05:56 PM
Any more choices? :(

woodbuck27
05-09-2007, 08:05 PM
I voted for the committee approach but I see alot of similiarities bet. Morency and Jackson when I read the analysis of them.

I really was impressed with the video on Brandon Jackson. He's not going to run over many defenders and he has to develop with the pass but he runs with real grit.

He has to be able to block well.

TopHat
05-09-2007, 10:17 PM
Any more choices? :(


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TopHat
05-10-2007, 05:30 AM
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=2&c=642846&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fpackers.scout.com%2f2%2f 642846.html

Morency’s experience a big advantage By Todd Korth

Vernand Morency took time after his morning workout today to speak with PackerReport.com managing editor Todd Korth about his preparation for the upcoming season. Morency...seems ready as ever to take over for the departed Ahman Green.