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motife
05-09-2007, 07:25 PM
http://www.packerchatters.com/op-ed/view.php?id=2179

Run to Daylight: Return to Glory...Revisited
May 9, 2007

Mike McCarthy declared immediately upon his hire as Head Coach (and play caller) the Packers would run the ball. He reaffirmed that commitment by hiring Jeff Jagodzinski (an offensive line coach) as his offensive coordinator to install the zone blocking scheme. Jagz has moved on to Boston College, but MM promised he did not take the team’s desire to rush the football with him. Joe Philbin remains committed to the scheme.

However it did not take too much time into his debut season before McCarthy was forced to face the hard realities that come with having two to three rookie starting offensive linemen – circumstances dictated putting the ball in the hands of his future Hall of Fame QB was his best chance at victory, – so he did, early and often. The resulting 8 – 8 record showed progress, but did not dismiss the need to strengthen the running game.

It would be ignorant to ignore the departure of FA Ahman Green, the 2nd leading rusher in Packer history, or the retirement of longtime workhorse FB William Henderson. So let’s acknowledge that both veterans’ departures will have major impact on the club – but then move on to discussing who will fill these very big shoes.

Because despite Green’s and Henderson’s departures, with some maturation and perhaps changes in the offensive line, one should look for McCarthy to try and put the rush back in the running game in ‘07’.
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The Halfbacks:

It is only fair to start with the current #1 HB Vernand Morency. Vernand has the talent to be a player in this league. The only real question is does he have the talent to be a feature back or is he a career #2 guy who provides solid depth and good rotation???

Vernand has the kind of burst which can catch defenders flat footed, & his nice moves in the open field can leave defenders grasping at air when it works. He is quicker than he is fast, with good lateral and veer quickness, enabling him to change direction in stride. He has vision that helps him in traffic – essential for fitting into the Packers running game.

At 5’9” (or 5’10” if you want to be generous) and 212 pounds he runs well downhill, squaring his shoulders and hitting holes with quick cuts and good pad level – which makes him a good fit for a zone blocking scheme. He is strong enough to run through arm and sloppy tackling techniques, but is not a power back that will get you the consistent tough yard. He is a fighter though, and surprises people once he gets a full head of steam going.

Morency is a decent enough blocker for a HB, not a striker but he will face up particularly when blocking on the edge. He does show a willingness to do the job and with experience should be able to handle blitz pickups well.

Vernand has the kind of hands that could be developed and with work Verand could be developed into a very good 3rd down back. His running style would fit into a multitude of screens and flairs and his quickness is ideal for draws.

Morency’s downside at this point include: Vernand can still regress to sloppy technique, which sometimes feeds an old tendency to put the ball on the turf when reckless. Some question his durability to be a primary runner, seeing him instead as a rotation back or a potential 3rd down specialist. Morency has had some character issues that have followed him and is a guy who warrants keeping a close eye on and this must be factored into any long term decision making on his future with a team. On the other hand, reports are he was a boy scout with the Packers last season.
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As the Packers search to replace longtime running back Ahman Green this season, one of the prospects to fill that position will be from Green's old school Nebraska.

Brandon Jackson, a 5-foot-10, 210-pound, 21 yr. old, was the Packers' pick in the second round. The fifth running back selected in the draft, Jackson is a football player with excellent feet and a natural runner. A late bloomer, BJ is sneaky-good – a player who could end up being far better than wannabe draft guru’s expect.

Brandon has surprising power for a player his size and does a good job breaking tackles. While I think Gil Brandt’s comparing him to San Francisco's Frank Gore might be a bit much – he is a kid with the kind of talent that will surprise a number of people.

Brandon has great body control, above average speed (a 4.55 at the combine, but 4.41 for the scouts) and exceptional stop-and-go movement, which makes him a slippery runner who is hard to put a big hit on. Jackson is a very instinctive runner, with good vision that allows him to read plays extremely well. B.J uses superb jukes and lateral moves to find holes – which should serve him well in the Packers zone blocking offense. He is a very good fit for our system.

Brandon has big hands that help him catch the ball well out of the backfield. It is likely that his versatility to run and catch the ball as well as his experience returning kicks were all factors in T.T. locking in on this 21 year old early entry in the draft

There is no doubt that Jackson had the talent to be an early pick, but injuries likely played a role in Jackson's slide to the bottom of the 2nd round. During his time at Nebraska, he tore the labrum in each shoulder and also broke his right hand – though he did not let this injury keep him from playing in the Cotton Bowl game to wrap up a Big 12 Conference first-team honors season.

His 11 on the Wonderlic was low, but most scouts agree that he has football intelligence. New offensive coordinator Joe Philbin says this about Jackson, "Other guys in the draft may be physically bigger, or maybe ran a faster 40, but I don't know if you can teach those guys how to run the football. This kid was probably a good football player when he was 8 years old in the backyard, and hopefully he'll be good when we get him out here on Sundays."

Running backs coach Edgar Bennett says of Jackson, "He's shown the vision and instincts you look for in a running back also, for a back with his size, he did a good job breaking tackles – he showed very good power.” "Again, you think of a guy with that quickness, has the ability to make people miss, he's elusive, good receiver out of the backfield, you get kind of excited about guys like that."

Jackson’s self-assessment: "I have a lot of confidence I can come in and start, I just have to work hard and earn that position. I'm no stranger to hard work."

The other rookie candidate, DeShawn Wynn, 5’-10” 238 pounds is long on physical talent, but unlike Jackson, comes with a questionable attitude and work-ethic. DeShawn is a thick powerful runner, who does have the patience to let the play develop in front of him. He has surprising get-up-and-go for a guy his size. Wynn has the size to swing back and forth from HB to FB, which should increase his value. He is a big guy with burst and a powerful stiff arm that disposes of anyone dreaming of arm tackling him. It won’t hurt that he comes out of a Florida system that required RB’s to learn to be solid route runners – Wynn looks very smooth running routes, a rare find for backs coming out of college

DeShawn Wynn was an elite running back coming out of high school that had top-notch colleges drooling over him as a prospect. After a quick start as a freshman DeShawn proceeded to disappoint until his senior season with the National Champion Florida Gators.

Where Jackson is 21, Wynn is 23 and has no time to waste in shedding a well-earned disappointment label. The numbers he but up at the combine – 40 in 4.47, a vertical jump of 31½ and a broad jump of 9-7 – were numbers that should have gotten a man of his size serious consideration for first day selection. But red flags and clashes with coaches resulted in a slide to the 7th round, where Ted Thompson determined that the risk/reward ratio was to positive to pass.

On the positive side, DeShawn admits that his bad attitude after not being named the starter late in his freshman season seriously hurt him, but points to his senior campaign as a better indicator of what he is all about. In a championship run Wynn appeared to be a changed man – toughing out a right knee sprain and a left shoulder injury to finish with 267 yards and three touchdowns in 60 carries, including 19 carries for 73 yards and a touchdown in Florida's national championship victory over Ohio State.

Running backs coach Edgar Bennett may be just what the doctor ordered for getting and keeping Wynn back on track, as will the wide open competition for playing time in the Packers backfield. “He's a big back with very good feet and good burst," running backs coach Edgar Bennett said. "Good receiver out of the backfield. He flashes good toughness, he needs to learn that in the NFL a back just has to be consistent. We did our due diligence and studied him on and off the field and came away with the conclusion he's an intriguing player that can come in here and compete and see what happens and then kind of go from there. I think having some discussions with him, now in his career, he knows that he has to make certain adjustments and this is a business and he's coming in with the right frame of mind that he has to be professional about how he goes about his business on and off the field."

If Edgar is successful and can get Wynn on the right track early, he may be one of those late round steals that are essential to being a successful franchise in the NFL
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Noah Herron is a hard working kid who gets the most out of his limited athletic ability. Noah out-hustled and outworked his competition to steal a roster spot when Davenport was released. You can bet NO ONE will outwork him this off season.

He is assignment sure, and runs, blocks and receives the football consistently, but certainly not flashy. He was the Packers primary third down back, but has to be considered a significant down grade from Tony Fisher – the player who held the position before him. Fisher was bigger, faster and more consistent, but Herron won the job when Tony moved on to St. Louis.

Noah is the type of player who has a big heart and works his butt off – often the kind of guy that earns a living by standing out doing the dirty work on special teams. His hard work has paid and shown through improvement each week. Herron is also the type of player many teams like to have in their back pockets for signing if their roster gets depleted by injuries However if he is making a roster out of training camp, it brings into question the talent base the team put up for him to compete with.
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Arliss Beach is an interesting story – one that many like to compare with Samkon Gado. There is a piece of misinformation frequently bandied about Arliss, stating that like Gado, he was never a starter in college. The truth is he was a starter who could never stay healthy – with fluke injury after fluke injury keeping him from ever putting his college game together.

In fact, as a sophomore in his first start (against Florida) he scored all three TD in Kentucky’s near upset of the highly ranked SEC foe that afternoon.

A most noteworthy thing about his college career is that Beach NEVER FUMBLED once in his 4 years at Kentucky, despite playing TB and being a kick return man for the Wildcats.

Beach stood out in training camp with his quickness and pop in drills and scrimmages. And when given his first real opportunity Arliss exploded against the Atlanta Falcons for 50 yards on 9 carries, for a 5.5 average, while the rest of the running backs struggled to gain any yardage at all. Arliss is a tough versatile young player, who can block, receive and run with surprising suddenness.

As former offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said about Beach, “the guy that really ran downhill was Beach. We’ve been impressed with him in practice. he needs to stay consistent. He may have a real chance…”

Head Coach Mike McCarthy said, “I’m in favor of tough guys, and I think he’s a tough, physical football player. He put his foot down and ran with a lot of forward lean. I think he’s a young man with a bright future.

Beach looked as though he was on this way to making the roster in ‘06’ when he suffered the dreaded high ankle sprain in the final preseason game against the Tennessee Titans. Instead he ended up riding the injured reserve list which may have been a blessing. With a full off season of work in Green Bay and a year under his belt learning the offense – maybe, just maybe Arliss will avoid injury and finally get his long awaited day at the Beach.
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P.J. Pope, a 5-9 220 lb 22 year old was snatched from da bear’s practice squad and put on the Packers’ roster last season. Say what you will about the Bears, but running backs is one thing they seem to have ample supply of, and Pope was good enough for them to want to retain him. P.J. has soft hands and is a tough runner.

Pope put up big numbers as a rusher and receivers in his sophomore and junior seasons (all-conference) at Bowling Green where he is the only player in their history to rush for more than 3000 yards and accumulate more than 1,000 yards in receptions. He played big in Bowl games rushing for 157 and 2 TDs against Memphis and 214 yards vs. Western Michigan

During the pre-season , Pope led the Bears in rushing with 153 yard and a touchdown and had 4 catches for 4.3 yards. It was enough to gain him a spot on their practice squad and they were not pleased to lose him to the Packers.
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The Fullbacks:

Brandon Miree is the heir apparent starting fullback of the Green Bay Packers. He is not a blow them up blocker like Henderson once was, but he is a great athlete with speed and versatility that belies a man his size. Brandon ran a 4.42 40 on an indoor track and 4.58 outdoors and once put up a 10.6 in the 100 meter dash.

Another thing Miree, a solid TB in college, does well that Henderson never could is run with the ball, something that McCarthy would like to do more with the FB in his version of WC offense.

At 6 foot 240 lbs, Miree is a tough downhill runner who is strong enough to get that tough yard and with enough burst to run away from defenders if they hesitate. He has a well cut muscular frame with thick legs and broad shoulders and runs with a low pad level which is essential for success in the Pros. He came into the league with a reputation for holding on to the rock well despite being a runner who keeps his legs driving a guy who wants to fight for every extra inch possible. However, one of the reasons he transferred from Alabama to Pittsburgh is he struggled with fumbling early in his career with the Crimson Tide.

Brandon also has soft hands and should be able to fill the job required of a WC FB in snaring his share of passes on check-downs, screens and passes to the flats. His speed should give the ability to do something with it once he catches it too.

He played in a zone blocking scheme at Pittsburgh and was a solid, but not devastating blocker who can reach his target and engage well.

Miree captured the attention of the Packer’s coaching staff immediately upon arriving in GB. he flat out beat Henderson out for the starting job. Before injuring his elbow he was getting all of the snaps and after returning to play hurt with a brace, Brandon still split the job down the Packers very productive stretch in December.

Korey Hall, 6-0 3/8 , 236 pounds, was a three-year starter and a two-year captain at linebacker for last season’s undefeated Boise State. Hall’s performance as a LB last season was good enough to earn him second-team all-American by the Sporting News and was the Western Athletic Conference defensive player of the year after finishing 2006 with 105 tackles, 6½ tackles for loss, 3½ sacks and six interceptions. However, his lack of height and pedestrian speed led the Packers to draft Korey and immediately switch him to fullback, a position he hadn't played since high school.

He has surprisingly good hands for a guy who has been playing LB throughout his collegian career – which partially accounts for his 6 interceptions last season. The staff sees him as having the physique to eventually become a very proficient lead blocker, as he is a good blocker in the open field, has a great motor, a the kind of heart for the game that could make him a special teams monster if he makes the squad. Special teams’ coach Stock was drooling at the prospect of having this young man on special teams, who he called “a very good tackler, a real head hunter."

Ryan Powdrell, 5-11, 254 pounds, was signed as an undrafted FB from USC. Like Hall, Powdrell is a former LB, but switched to fullback as a senior last season. Some people saw him as a possible late draft pick, and the Packers were excited to bring him in to compete with the other young prospects at FB.

Lurker64
05-09-2007, 07:35 PM
The other rookie candidate, DeShawn Wynn, 5’-10” 338 pounds ...He has surprising get-up-and-go for a guy his size.

I'd hope so! At 5'10" 338 lbs he's practically spherical...

woodbuck27
05-09-2007, 07:59 PM
I hope that Morency and Jackson bring different skils to the table but they seem very similiar to me.

Am I totally wrong here?

GO PACK GO !

SD GB fan
05-09-2007, 09:00 PM
im pretty excited to see what happens in the runningback competition. with the o-line hopefully getting better, it will be fun to watch how these running backs run behind the ZBS.

woodbuck27
05-09-2007, 09:48 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=602062

Change of direction gets back on track

By TOM SILVERSTEIN
tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com

Posted: May 7, 2007

Green Bay - DeShawn Wynn knows what they say about him, and for the most part he doesn't dispute it.

The only thing he really denies is that cell phone incident, which has become University of Florida legend and a badge of dishonor he would prefer not to wear.

But the stuff about him being lazy, not always giving his all, being an underachiever, Wynn, the Green Bay Packers' seventh-round running back, can't really say it isn't true. He fully admits he wasn't the player he should have been at Florida and has been humbled by being taken 228th overall in the draft.

"I don't have a problem with working hard," Wynn said after suffering a calf injury that sidelined him for the final two days of the Packers' rookie orientation camp that ended Sunday. "But early in my career I had some problems where I went out there lackadaisical.

"As this season came, I had no problems working because we were trying to win a championship. My whole mind-frame was this season will depend on me if I want to go to the next level. The knock on me was I wasn't a hard worker and that's from earlier in my career."

Actually, it comes from the better part of his career. But the last half of the 2006 season, he was a changed man, toughing out a right knee sprain and a left shoulder injury to finish with 267 yards and three touchdowns in 60 carries, including 19 carries for 73 yards and a touchdown in Florida's national championship victory over Ohio State.

Wynn's position coach at Florida was Stan Drayton, a quality control and special teams assistant with the Packers from 2001-'03. Drayton learned the art of frank speaking from Packers running backs coach Sylvester Croom, who brought Drayton to Mississippi State with him in 2004, and he gave both the Packers and Wynn a full assessment of the running back's talents.

"He called me after I got picked up and told me he talked to the Packers when they were asking about me," Wynn said. "He told me exactly what he said. He didn't hold back. He told me (he said) it will be a steal to get me, definitely a first-round talent, but sometimes in my career he said I had some problems.

"He asked them what kind of running back group they had. As long as they have hard workers it would be good for me going there because I work to the talent of who I'm playing with."

There's no question Wynn would have been drafted much higher were it not for his lack of motivation. At the scouting combine, the 5-10 Wynn weighed in a 232 pounds yet ran a 4.47-second 40-yard dash, seven hundredths of a second slower than Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson, the top running back taken in the draft. Peterson weighs 217 pounds.

Wynn didn't become the full-time starter at Florida until his senior season, and he said that was what led to his poor attitude.

Under coach Ron Zook, Wynn averaged 4.7 yards a carry and scored seven touchdowns as a red-shirt freshman, but Zook chose to start Ran Carthon, who was a senior. When Wynn came back the following year, he split time, in part because he hadn't worked nearly as hard as he had going into the previous year.

"I came in working real hard," Wynn said. "I did everything. I did a whole scrimmage by myself in the spring. The season came and I had like 500 something yards in the first six games and they never started me. They just started the senior because they told me he's a senior and paid his dues.

"So I'm like, 'OK, that's how it works.' So after that, I go out and practice and there's no purpose to give everything I've got if they still have this man starting. I started to get into that mode and it carried to my sophomore year. I got into that and that kind of messed me up and carried along with me."

When Urban Meyer replaced Zook two years ago, one of the first things he did was to challenge Wynn. In his first meeting with the team, the former Utah coach singled out Wynn as an underachiever and told him he expected more out of him.

"He's like, 'Why haven't you done anything here? You're one of the best high school running backs I've seen come out?' " Wynn said. "He flat called me out in front of everybody. I kind of liked that. He'll tell you the truth. Coach Meyer isn't going to lie to you. He's not going to tell you what you (want) to hear."

Drayton was on Wynn from the time he arrived with Meyer in 2005 and tried to mold him into something more than an underachiever.
Meanwhile, Wynn got off on the wrong foot with Meyer by having an illegal parking sticker and was constantly in his doghouse.

Meyer once was so mad at the running backs that he told them he was going to go with five wide receivers the entire game.

In the spring game before Wynn's senior year, he started a fullback at halfback in place of Wynn because he was unhappy with him. All through the two years Wynn was with Meyer, the coach tried different ways to motivate him.

Finally, Wynn got the message, in part because Drayton impressed on him the importance of having a good senior season if he wanted to play in the NFL. Drayton was quoted in August of 2006 saying Wynn was a different man.

"He's playing at a tempo I've never seen him practice at," said Drayton, who was recruiting and unavailable for comment last week. "He's doing everything that I asked without any back talk whatsoever. And he's allowing me to coach him the way I need to coach him to get him to where he needs to be. He's made drastic improvement."

The Packers know they're going to have to be as vigilant with Wynn as Meyer and Drayton were if they want to see him at his best. Wynn considers this a fresh start, but all it will take is one missed meeting or poor practice for him to get on Packers coach Mike McCarthy's bad side.

"There's obviously a lot of positives we saw about the young man, that's why he's here," McCarthy said.

"That's what we'll focus on. Time will tell, and I think everybody here knows the way we work and the way we're structured. Whether he fits here or not, or anybody we bring through these doors, it will be identified pretty quickly.

As for cell phones, Wynn won't have one on the sideline as he was reported to have with the Gators. Actually, Wynn said the cell phone he used was in the locker room and it was to help a teammate get some tickets. An assistant coach told him to put it away and Wynn said he did.

"It turned into me being on the telephone before the game," Wynn said.

In Green Bay, the slate is clean. Now all Wynn has to do is make sure it stays that way.

HarveyWallbangers
05-10-2007, 12:41 AM
Jackson up to the task
By LORI NICKEL

Green Bay - Brandon Jackson's struggles and eventual triumphs at the University of Nebraska might very well prepare him for a productive career in the NFL.

As Green Bay's recent second-round draft pick at the highly visible running back position, the 5-foot-10, 208-pound Jackson is practically guaranteed a spot on the Packers' roster. But if he wants to play a lot, he'll have to do exactly what he did in college - remain persistent. And earn it.

Nothing was handed to him then and nothing will be now.

Nebraska relied on I-back Cory Ross for three seasons and after his final season in 2005, a crowd formed to replace him. In all, four men were in the running - sophomores Cody Glenn and Marlon Lucky and juniors Kenny Wilson and Jackson.

Coming off shoulder surgery, Jackson began the 2006 season third on the depth chart.

In a blowout against Louisiana Tech, Glenn and Lucky were the featured backs for the Cornhuskers. But a 25-yard touchdown by Jackson caught the attention of coaches, who steadily began to watch his progress and note his overall contributions.

Though Jackson had limited opportunities in the first five games, Nebraska coach Bill Callahan anointed him as the starting I back on Oct. 7 against Iowa State. Jackson responded by rushing for more than 100 yards.

He held on to the starting job for the remainder of the year, gaining 715 yards over the last eight contests as Nebraska claimed the Big 12 Conference title game and went to the Cotton Bowl.

Turning pro a year early, Jackson was chosen in the draft 63rd overall, higher than many scouts predicted he would go. He was the first Nebraska running back drafted since 2001. In fact, he was the first Cornhuskers running back taken on the first day of the draft since Ahman Green was selected by Seattle in the third round in 1998.

Jackson attended the Packers rookie minicamp in Green Bay, and when asked how he earned the starting role at Nebraska, he gave just general answers.

"It was hard work. I earned it. I watched a lot of film and I did my assignments," he said matter-of-factly. "I felt they (Nebraska coaches) always had confidence in me. It was just a matter of time to start."

Nebraska running backs coach Randy Jordan elaborated.

"He started out as our third-down back because we used so many backs," said Jordan. "We had a short-yardage guy, someone else who could catch passes. He could do all of those things. What separated this kid was he protected the passer."

Nebraska uses the West Coast system, just like Green Bay. Nebraska's offensive line uses zone blocking, just like Green Bay. Nebraska expects its running backs to block on passing downs, to pick up the blitz and protect the quarterback, just like Green Bay.

"Nebraska was very focused on blocking," said Jackson. "In our system, our coaches say if you don't block you don't play. Every day we would have blocking drills maybe two times a practice. I'm no stranger to blocking."

Jordan said Jackson became very comfortable running behind the zone blocking scheme as well. He averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

"We try to stretch the play, create lanes for the running back," said Jordan. "Brandon does it very very well. You have, really, a minimal cut, minimal decision; you put your foot on the ground and kind of find a lane.

"(Zone blocking) is really, really good for a back like him who's quick, decisive - he's physical. That's one thing the Packers are really going to be pleased with."

Jordan said Jackson was also very coachable, working on his weaknesses.

"He's not going to be like a lot of players and just work on what he likes," said Jordan. "When he first got here, he didn't like pass protection, but I challenged him. 'If you want to get on the field, pass protect, show me.' He stayed after practice and worked. He watched extra film on linebackers, became a pretty good blocker."

Jackson also had good hands and caught 33 passes for 313 yards, with just a couple of drops all year.

With the Packers, Jackson is in a situation similar to the one in which he found himself in Lincoln. Green is gone to Houston. Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, P.J. Pope, Arliss Beach and fellow rookie draft pick DeShawn Wynn are all vying for the starting running back spot with Jackson.

"It's very similar," Jackson admitted. But that's all he'll say. He won't get caught up in any other names or even admit he has the opportunity here some backs wait a lifetime to get - to be the guy.

"I'm really not paying attention to that right now. I'm just trying to get familiar with the playbook," said Jackson. "You've got to get in to the playbook first before you can get out on the field and run these plays before you even have a chance to start."

wist43
05-10-2007, 08:29 AM
The other rookie candidate, DeShawn Wynn, 5’-10” 338 pounds ...He has surprising get-up-and-go for a guy his size.

I'd hope so! At 5'10" 338 lbs he's practically spherical...

LOL

wist43
05-10-2007, 01:36 PM
I fear the Packers are vastly over estimating the talent and overall ability of Morency.

He was a 3rd down back in Houston, and they gave him away for essentially nothing. Since coming to GB, he has shown nothing that would lead anyone to conclude that he is an every down back.

He goes down far too easily, he'll dance in circles b/4 he'll ever lower his shoulder, and he lacks the strength necessary to break tackles... he is what he is - a 3rd down back, with pretty good hands and quick feet.

If Jackson proves to be the same type of back... the Packers will have accomplished nothing by drafting him in the 2nd round.

As for the running game as a whole - I expect it to be pretty pathetic.

BallHawk
05-10-2007, 01:51 PM
I fear the Packers are vastly over estimating the talent and overall ability of Morency.

He was a 3rd down back in Houston, and they gave him away for essentially nothing. Since coming to GB, he has shown nothing that would lead anyone to conclude that he is an every down back.

He goes down far too easily, he'll dance in circles b/4 he'll ever lower his shoulder, and he lacks the strength necessary to break tackles... he is what he is - a 3rd down back, with pretty good hands and quick feet.

If Jackson proves to be the same type of back... the Packers will have accomplished nothing by drafting him in the 2nd round.

As for the running game as a whole - I expect it to be pretty pathetic.

I think it will be far from pathetic. We're not going to have a LT/Michael Turner type of combo, but I think that we could have an Joseph Addai/Dominic Rhodes type of duo. I'm almost certain Jackson will be the #1 back and I think that Morency will serve as a good backup. Morency is better than Herron, that's for sure.

MJZiggy
05-10-2007, 02:01 PM
I fear the Packers are vastly over estimating the talent and overall ability of Morency.

He was a 3rd down back in Houston, and they gave him away for essentially nothing. Since coming to GB, he has shown nothing that would lead anyone to conclude that he is an every down back.

He goes down far too easily, he'll dance in circles b/4 he'll ever lower his shoulder, and he lacks the strength necessary to break tackles... he is what he is - a 3rd down back, with pretty good hands and quick feet.

If Jackson proves to be the same type of back... the Packers will have accomplished nothing by drafting him in the 2nd round.

As for the running game as a whole - I expect it to be pretty pathetic.

I think it will be far from pathetic. We're not going to have a LT/Michael Turner type of combo, but I think that we could have an Joseph Addai/Dominic Rhodes type of duo. I'm almost certain Jackson will be the #1 back and I think that Morency will serve as a good backup. Morency is better than Herron, that's for sure.

But you think Herron has the inside track for the #3 spot?

wist43
05-10-2007, 02:17 PM
Jackson has to prove himself to be a #1 back... if he's not - then they're going nowhere. Like I said, if Jackson isn't a #1, then what we're stuck with is 3 #3's.

If that proves to be the case, I don't think I'd be alone in saying that would make the Packers RB situation the worst in the league.

I know TT and MM go on endlessly about how they "like 'our' guys", and how Jackson is a tough runner, etc... I don't see any of the three of them being able to lower a shoulder and get the tough yard - 3rd and 1 is a passing down.

Small RB's, small FB's, small OL... flag football, we'd have a kickass running game!!!

Maybe Wynn will come thru???

Zool
05-10-2007, 02:18 PM
At least none of them is a #2?

wist43
05-10-2007, 02:20 PM
At least none of them is a #2?

Sorry, should have said 3rd down backs, as opposed to #3's...

BallHawk
05-10-2007, 02:32 PM
I fear the Packers are vastly over estimating the talent and overall ability of Morency.

He was a 3rd down back in Houston, and they gave him away for essentially nothing. Since coming to GB, he has shown nothing that would lead anyone to conclude that he is an every down back.

He goes down far too easily, he'll dance in circles b/4 he'll ever lower his shoulder, and he lacks the strength necessary to break tackles... he is what he is - a 3rd down back, with pretty good hands and quick feet.

If Jackson proves to be the same type of back... the Packers will have accomplished nothing by drafting him in the 2nd round.

As for the running game as a whole - I expect it to be pretty pathetic.

I think it will be far from pathetic. We're not going to have a LT/Michael Turner type of combo, but I think that we could have an Joseph Addai/Dominic Rhodes type of duo. I'm almost certain Jackson will be the #1 back and I think that Morency will serve as a good backup. Morency is better than Herron, that's for sure.

But you think Herron has the inside track for the #3 spot?

I think Herron has the inside track to be anywhere but Wisconsin, come September.

Zool
05-10-2007, 02:37 PM
At least none of them is a #2?

Sorry, should have said 3rd down backs, as opposed to #3's...I was referring to them being dookie.

wist43
05-10-2007, 03:07 PM
You guys are forgetting that TT likes "'his guys"...

Herron and Wynn will be battling it out for the #3 position... and since that position usually comes down to special teams - it'll probably be Herron that stays.

Might not even matter what Wynn does in camp and the preseason.