FAVRE: STILL ONE OF BEST NFL QB?

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Is Brett Favre still one of the best QBs in the NFL?

Len Pasquarelli: From a solely statistical standpoint, Brett Favre certainly appears to be a quarterback whose physical skills are in decline. His 70.9 quarterback rating in 2005 was the worst of his career since becoming a starter, and the 72.7 rating he posted last season was the third-lowest. His 56.0 percent completion mark in 2006 was his poorest ever and the 2005 and 2006 seasons represented the first since he moved into the starting lineup in which he had not thrown more touchdowns than interceptions.
Those, obviously, are key numbers. And here's another one: 38. Favre will turn 38 years old in October, at about the midway point of the season, and one has to wonder about the effects of oxidation on the NFL's all-time iron man.
But all the numbers aside, including just a dozen wins the past two seasons, Favre arguably remains among the league's top 10 quarterbacks. The critics point to his dubious judgment at times, but Favre has always been a gambler and a risk-taker, a guy typically capable of making a big play out of nothing. In terms of arm strength, his velocity might not be what it was five years ago, but on those occasions when he throws the ball with timing on inside routes, the zip is still there. It's difficult to assess Favre in some ways, because the talent surrounding him has diminished, and that has played some role in his decline as well. The Packers have lost three starting offensive linemen the past three years, and deep-threat wide receiver Javon Walker has departed, too. Favre played most of 2005 without an injured Ahman Green and now the star tailback has exited in free agency. There's been a talent drain in Green Bay, and not much has been done to supplant the playmakers on offense. At this point in his career, Favre is still good enough to win. But not even a much younger Favre might have been able to singularly compensate for the defections on offense.
Matt Mosley: In the interest of self-disclosure, I should probably start by saying that Brett Favre is my favorite quarterback, which led to some very questionable fantasy draft decisions earlier this decade. That's why it pains me to say that he's no longer among the top quarterbacks in the league. Sure, there are still flashes of his past brilliance, but the truth is that he's now a slightly above-average quarterback in the league.
I could spend the next several paragraphs blaming this on Packers general manager Ted Thompson (not a bad idea), but for now, let's take a look at the facts. Even after bouncing back from an awful 2005 season in which he threw 20 touchdowns and 29 interceptions, Favre was by no means great last season. He threw 18 touchdowns and 18 interceptions, and his quarterback rating ranked 25th in the league -- one spot behind Chicago's Rex Grossman. Favre should be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, but when you talk about the league's top quarterbacks right now, he probably doesn't crack the top 10. His 56 percent completion percentage last season was caused, in part, by his team's horrendous start. The Packers were outscored 138-77 in their 1-4 start. The fact that Favre often makes poor decisions by trying to fit the ball into ridiculously tight spots is nothing new. It's just that he no longer has the ability -- or the offensive weapons -- to always dig his way out. In my mind, Favre is one of the greatest quarterbacks in league history. But as hard as it is to acknowledge, he's in the middle of the pack right now.
John Clayton: Favre is still good enough to be a Pro Bowl quarterback. The question is whether he has the supporting cast to get him there. The NFC is wide open for top quarterback play. Though Favre may not be able to match the play of the two top AFC quarterbacks -- Peyton Manning and Tom Brady -- he can still compete with the best in the NFC. When he's healthy, Donovan McNabb is the NFC's best quarterback. Seattle's Matt Hasselbeck is a close second. But Favre's arm strength is exceptional, and getting back together with Mike McCarthy, who was his quarterbacks coach years ago, worked well last season. McCarthy helped Favre cut down his interceptions early in the season. Favre's completion percentage dropped to 56 in 2006, but that was largely because of the loss of receivers to injuries. Greg Jennings, one of the best rookie receivers of 2006, suffered a high ankle sprain at midseason, leaving Favre with few options. With a healthy receiving unit, Favre should be a 62 percent thrower again and have a chance for 20-25 touchdowns. That would put him in the top five in the NFC and among the best in the league. Favre still has it.
Eric Allen: There's no doubt Favre has the ability to be a great player, but I think he pushes the envelope too much with his passes, and that leads to mistakes. For him to make the list of the best quarterbacks in the league, he would have to be a better game manager, and too often he hurts his team with poor downfield decisions. That said, he's still better than a lot of quarterbacks in the league. He's just not one of the best anymore.
Joe Theismann: Favre still has the tools to be a top quarterback and he definitely has the mind-set and knowledge, but I'm not sure he has the weapons surrounding him to take him and this team to the next level. That's why he's not a top-five quarterback in this league anymore. The elite quarterbacks are able to put a team on their backs and lead it to the playoffs, even without great playmakers. Just look at Tom Brady last season. Favre is still an outstanding quarterback and a dangerous playmaker on the field, but I'm not sure he's in that upper echelon anymore.

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Favre fans don't seem to mind QB's constant drama

I just can't imagine what it's like to be a hard-core Brett Favre fan. Since moving to Wisconsin 18 months ago, one thing about the local sports scene has stood out above all else: Following the year-'round DEFCON1 drama that swirls around Favre must turn fans into human yo-yos. And they don't seem to mind, because they keep coming back for the ride. Take, for example, the events of the past few days.
Favre spent Saturday stirring up fan anger by carving up the Packers' front office for their unwillingness to pull off a trade for wide receiver Randy Moss. Never mind that it's hard to believe Moss would choose Green Bay over a better deal to play for a Super Bowl contender in New England. In politics, that wouldn't pass what is affectionately called the "smell test." And while we're at it, I'm going to assume that the fans roasting Packers general manager Ted Thompson on Internet message boards are some of the same folks who called and faxed Packers chairman and CEO Bob Harlan earlier this year to say that Moss is a big, fat jerk and shouldn't be in a Packers uniform. One day later came a report on Fox Sports' Web site that Favre was so angry after the Packers didn't get Moss that he had his agent ask for a trade.
This became a big deal in a matter of minutes, locally and nationally, and Favre or his representatives could have prevented a panic with a quick statement. But that didn't happen for nearly 24 hours, allowing fans' emotions to hang in the balance as they wondered if their favorite player really wanted out of town. Favre finally called the Packers to issue a statement on Monday, proclaiming that he doesn't want to be traded, affirming that he wants to retire as a Packer and denying (well, sort of) that the idea of a trade ever came up. On Tuesday, Favre said he was skipping the Packers' three-day mandatory minicamp this weekend because he hasn't quite recovered from offseason ankle surgery and his daughter is graduating from high school ... in a couple of weeks.
Favre then had an apparent change of heart, as a person familiar with the situation said on Wednesday that Favre was now expected to attend the minicamp. Good move, No. 4. Favre's teammates probably wouldn't have looked too kindly on his decision to skip camp when they were huffing and puffing in Green Bay instead of spending time with their own families. Favre already might have a few fences to mend after his foot-stomping over Moss, which -- even if it wasn't intentional -- sent the unmistakable message that he doesn't think his current supporting cast is good enough. Hopefully, somebody can explain how outbursts like this make Favre the ultimate competitor and teammate, while players such as Moss and Terrell Owens are labeled as bad guys when they criticize management or teammates. Just wondering, because it's an obvious question to ask and I don't know the answer: Could it have something to do with the fact that Moss and Owens are black and Favre is white?
When Favre declared in February that he was coming back, it seemed like he was sparing his fans from the annual retirement speculation roller coaster. But here we are again, talking about Favre's future in mid-May. And fans don't seem to mind one bit -- because if Favre is unhappy, it must be Thompson's fault for not undoing Mike Sherman's mountain of mistakes more quickly. I'm still fairly new in town, so it's possible that I'm looking at this the wrong way. Maybe fans don't mind the emotional roller coaster as much as I imagine they do. Perhaps the ongoing Favre saga provides the emotional up-and-down drama people need to break up their daily routine, a guilty pleasure others get through other forms of televised entertainment. Maybe Brett Favre is a socially acceptable soap opera for football fans.

[Packnut]

The only difference now is Favre is'nt good enough to carry a team by himself, but then no QB is age ever has. Elway needed help too at the end so it's no knock against Brett.

[ND72]

The only difference now is Favre is'nt good enough to carry a team by himself, but then no QB is age ever has. Elway needed help too at the end so it's no knock against Brett.

Brett "helped" carry a team...but he's never been able to alone. In the 90's he had the defense to rescue some of his idiotic mistakes. in the Sherman era, he had Ahman Green. He's never been alone, and he never had to do anything by himself.
It's kind of funny to me that we complain about the lack of talent on the offense....if you remember, in the early stages of Favre's career we weren't exactly stacked on offense. Ray Mickens doesn't exactly light my fire. We usually had 1 top WR, Sterling Sharpe, then Robert Brooks, then Antonio Freeman, then Donald Driver. As Brooks was getting better, Sharpe was getting hurt. As Freeman was getting better, Brooks was getting hurt. As Freeman was sucking, Driver was getting better. It was our defense in the 90's that got us to where we were, and Favre & mostly Holmgren made the best out of every player we had on offense. I mean we had Darrell Thompson & Pookie Workman before Bennett and Levens. Offensively yes, Favre did carry us. But he's never had to carry the team.

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Head of the Pack: Favre overcoming disappointment

It was less than 24 hours after the draft when I heard Brett Favre was furious with the Packers for failing to land Randy Moss. He was certainly in a state of mind in which he could have said, "Get me out of here," so I don't really doubt the report by Fox Sports' Jay Glazer, who said Favre requested a trade, before Packers coach Mike McCarthy smoothed things over. Favre has now said he doesn't want to be traded. His agent, Bus Cook, denied his client ever demanded to be traded, but something strong was definitely communicated to the Packers. Green Bay seemingly had Moss in its grasp, and losing him was an unforgivable slip in the eyes of Favre, who had campaigned for the receiver since January. All the Packers had to do was give him the same deal the Patriots did: a one-year contract for $3 million in 2007, with $2 million worth of incentives. The Packers insisted on a two-year contract, the first season for $1.9 million in base salary, plus 16 game-day roster bonuses of $100,000 apiece, for a total of $3.5 million. The Packers simply got cute. They had the inside track and could have gotten this deal done on Friday or Saturday during draft weekend --perhaps even for a fifth-round draft pick. The Patriots swooped in on Saturday night, finalizing the deal on Sunday morning. During our ESPN draft coverage, Steve Young and I had a couple of spirited debates when the Packers didn't draft Tennessee wide receiver Robert Meachem with their first-round pick.
Young wondered what the organization was doing to help its veteran quarterback. I argued that Favre could care less what the team did in the draft; he has stated on more than one occasion he is not a believer in rookie receivers making an immediate impact. Brett Favre should still be leading the Packers next season. Favre's legitimate gripe is that Packers general manager Ted Thompson hasn't followed the blueprint of former GM Ron Wolf, who built a Super Bowl team by complementing the draft with aggressive moves in free agency and trades. Wolf traded for Favre and signed Hall of Fame defensive end Reggie White, not to mention other significant nondraft acquisitions such as tight end Keith Jackson.
Thompson can argue that last year he signed four free agents, including cornerback Charles Woodson. He can also argue his main priority is rebuilding the foundation of the franchise through the draft, and there are some very good personnel men who privately raved about the Packers' first draft pick. Tennessee defensive tackle Justin Harrell can be a disruptive force and should also allow last year's top pick, middle linebacker A.J. Hawk, to thrive at an even higher level. What is not quite known is whether Thompson would prefer it if Favre just went away. Green Bay didn't make a move for Moss, Ahman Green was let go at running back, and there is no true receiving threat at tight end. Thompson also drafted quarterback Aaron Rodgers three years ago. Is he ready to move on, but can't muster up the courage to act?
What about Favre's declaration that he's excited about the talent around him? First of all, he is no dummy. Favre knows you can motivate your teammates with flattery. Also, he was genuinely impressed Thompson had three rookie offensive linemen in 2006 who turned out to be good players. Favre's absence from minicamp this weekend isn't a big deal. He had minor ankle surgery, and is trying to enjoy his daughter Brittany's graduation this week. He told McCarthy he will be in Green Bay for the other on-field activities, just as he was a year ago.
For his part, McCarthy plans to improve Favre's 56 percent completion rate by emphasizing more checkdown throws when the first and second options aren't open. Don't worry about whether Favre can lead a team he supposedly has dissed. Spend two minutes around him and you are captivated by his personality. He is simply impossible to hate. As for any potential trade, the Cowboys actually had a discussion last offseason, but it went nowhere. Favre is on record as saying he doesn't want to learn a new offense at this stage. The Bucs also shouldn't be considered a possible destination, even though coach Jon Gruden is the quarterback collector. It's not the same West Coast offense. Even Rich Gannon, an MVP for Gruden in Oakland, is surprised at how the scheme and terminology has evolved. Forget the Broncos. Mike Shanahan believes he has a younger, more polished Brett Favre in Jay Cutler. There are really only two teams running the West Coast offense in which Favre would be comfortable: Seattle and Philadelphia. The Seahawks are committed to Matt Hasselbeck at quarterback, and it would take a dramatic setback by Donovan McNabb from his knee injury to even spark a discussion. As a result, Favre seems likely to finish his career in Green Bay. At least he gave us somebody other than Pacman Jones to discuss.

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Rank 'Em: Where does Favre rank?

Is Brett Favre still a top tier QB?The last few seasons in Green Bay have not been easy for future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre. Mediocre final records, along with "un-Favre" like stats have led some to suggest that Favre should just hang it up or at least move over and let Aaron Rodgers develop as the Packers' new starting quarterback. The most recent controversy took place this week when reports suggested that Favre had demanded a trade out of Green Bay after the Packers failed to acquire wide receiver Randy Moss from the Oakland Raiders. What we want to know, SportsNation, is where you currently rank Favre among next year's speculated starting quarterbacks. Is the Green Bay legend still among the top 10 signal callers in the league? Or has his star fallen much further than that?

RESULTS: FORTHCOMING
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Vote: What's going on in Green Bay?

Is Brett Favre on the outs in Green Bay?BBrett Favre really wanted Randy Moss on his team on the field, but is the Green Bay legend starting to act like the troubled wide receiver off the field? Favre said earlier this week that he wasn't going to attend the Packers' upcoming mandatory minicamp. While Favre changed his mind Wednesday and will attend the minicamp, it was just the latest story in a recent string of incidents suggesting the relationship between Favre and the Packers isn't exactly healthy. Favre talked down reports he demanded a trade after the team failed to obtain Moss from the Packers and has said all the right things about liking the outlook for the team this season, but what's your take on the present situation for the future Hall of Famer? Does Favre have a right to be ticked off? Should the Packers trade him? And what is all this doing to Aaron Rodgers?


ESPN HUGE SPORTS NATION POLL RESULTS:

1) Does Brett Favre have a right to be angry with the Packers for their offseason moves?

78.7% Yes
21.3% No


2) How much would Randy Moss have helped the Packers?

52.7% Made them a playoff team
36.0% Still would have missed the playoffs
11.3% Made them a Super Bowl contender

3) What impact has Favre's continued presence had on Aaron Rodgers?

35.8% Mostly positive; he's been around the best.
33.4% Mostly negative; he needs snaps.
30.8% Favre hasn't helped or hurt Rodgers.


4) Who will be the next quarterback to lead the Packers to the playoffs?

65.8% Someone else
34.2% Aaron Rodgers

5) Should the Packers trade Brett Favre?

73.3% No
26.7% Yes


6) Where does Brett Favre rank on the list of all-time best QBs?

43.7% 2-5
29.8% 6-10
12.4% 11-20
11.0% No. 1
3.1% Not in top 20

7) Where does Brett Favre rank among QBs for the upcoming 2007 season?

40.4% 6-10
33.1% 11-20
17.9% 1-5
8.7% Not in top 20

8) Where will Brett Favre finish his career?

87.7% Green Bay
12.3% Somewhere else


9) Will the Packers make the playoffs this season?

68.7% No
31.3% Yes

[BF4MVP]

the 2005 and 2006 seasons represented the first since he moved into the starting lineup in which he had not thrown more touchdowns than interceptions.

Where was Len in 1993 (19 TD 24 INT) and 1999 (22 TD 23 INT)?

Good article though..

I especially like the part Jon Clayton wrote..I would agree that Favre could still be a pro bowler...

[BallHawk]

Top 5? No.

Top 10? Yes.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Palmer
Bulger

All QBs, that, at this time, are better than Favre.

[woodbuck27]

Top 5? No.

Top 10? Yes.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Palmer
Bulger

All QBs, that, at this time, are better than Favre.

Yup.

He's 37 years old too. 8-)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Top 5? No.

Top 10? Yes.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Palmer
Bulger

All QBs, that, at this time, are better than Favre.

I'd add McNabb (when healthy) and probably Matt Hasselbeck to guys that I'd take over Favre right now. To me, that makes Brett around #8, maybe a spot or two lower, but still a top 10 QB.

[CaptainKickass]

I can't believe that this is a question on a Packer board - or even a topic starting subject.

I say a great big heapning portion of "Duh" would do well to answer this thread.

Lets say Favre got traded to _______________ (Insert Team here).



How many of the coaches, management, team and fans would think:

"Favre's our QB? Well hell - we're goin to the superbowl!"



?

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'Onion' parodies Favre frustration, trade reports

Leave it to “The Onion,” a newspaper that parodies events in the news, to put a comical spin on the recent news surrounding Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre and his frustration with management. The story, published today at www.theonion.com, is headlined “Brett Favre demands trade to 1996 Packers.” The headline and story reference the Super Bowl champion team and says Favre “is demanding a trade to the team he feels will give him the best shot at winning a last Super Bowl ring before his retirement: the 1996 Green Bay Packers.” Favre told a Mississippi newspaper last weekend that he was frustrated after the team’s failed attempts to sign wide receiver Randy Moss. “Nothing against Donald [Driver] and Greg [Jennings], but if I can't throw it to Randy Moss, then I want to throw it to Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks, and Don Beebe," Favre says in the story. “The Onion” also gets in a dig on the national report that Favre wanted to be traded because of the Packers unwillingness to trade for Moss: “Although the Packers had no immediate comment, head coach Mike McCarthy said the team would be ‘heartbroken’ to part with its greatest player, although in deference to Favre's long service, and for the good of the current team, they would be willing to consider a trade package including a first-round pick in the 2008 NFL draft and the 1996 Brett Favre.”




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Brett Favre Demands Trade To 1996 Packers

Three-time MVP and undisputed future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre, disappointed with the Packers' refusal to aggressively pursue receiver Randy Moss and frustrated with his team's apparent indifference to making immediate improvements on offense, is demanding a trade to the team he feels will give him the best shot at winning a last Super Bowl ring before his retirement: the 1996 Green Bay Packers.
"I just don't think this Packer team, and GM Ted Thompson especially, is thinking in terms of winning with me," said Favre, speaking to reporters at his charity golf tournament in Mississippi Sunday. "On the other hand, 1996 Packers GM Ron Wolf is committed to building the team completely around me. I don't think it's out of the question to say that with me behind center, the 1996 Packers are looking at going all the way to the Super Bowl."
Early reports had indicated that Favre was so upset that his team failed to close a draft-day deal for Randy Moss with the Oakland Raiders that his agent called Packers GM Ted Thompson and requested a trade to a team with capable receivers. "Nothing against Donald [Driver] and Greg [Jennings], but if I can't throw it to Randy Moss, then I want to throw it to Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks, and Don Beebe," Favre said. "I bet with them, I'd have more of a chance of throwing for, say, 3,899 yards and 39 touchdowns, with maybe as few as 13 interceptions. Who knows? That kind of production could even get me another MVP award, although of course that's much less important than leading the '96 Pack to another Super Bowl victory."
Favre also noted that, unlike the young and unproven 2007 Packers, the 1996 Packers boasted seasoned veterans on both sides of the ball. "It sure would be great to play alongside Reggie White again—I get chills just thinking about seeing him in the locker room," Favre said. "That whole '96 defense is great, too. Santana Dotson is a force in the middle. That LeRoy Butler, I tell you, he's one of the most underrated safeties in the game. Desmond Howard isn't a bad kick returner, either. And unlike the Packer backfield I got now, the '96 Packers still feature William Henderson at fullback."
"Mark Chmura, though, I don't know," Favre admitted. "Decent tight end, but something about him isn't quite right." In addition to the more elite personnel, Favre praised the aggressive attitude of the coaching squad and front office of the Packers of 1996, saying he was a fan of head coach Mike Holmgren's West Coast offense and Wolf's aggressive recruiting strategies. "I think Holmgren and I would make an interesting team," Favre said. "He could teach me a lot. We could learn from each other. And I know Ron Wolf would have my back. If, say, our number-one receiver gets knocked out for the season in Week 7, I believe Wolf would go right after a great veteran free agent, like maybe Andre Rison, to give us an edge in the playoffs. I can almost guarantee that."
"It would really be something," Favre said. "We'd be one of the all-time great teams, a once-in-a-lifetime thing, you know? I'm going to have my agent look into it right away." Although the Packers had no immediate comment, head coach Mike McCarthy said the team would be "heartbroken" to part with its greatest player, although in deference to Favre's long service, and for the good of the current team, they would be willing to consider a trade package including a first-round pick in the 2008 NFL draft and the 1996 Brett Favre.

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the 2005 and 2006 seasons represented the first since he moved into the starting lineup in which he had not thrown more touchdowns than interceptions.

Where was Len in 1993 (19 TD 24 INT) and 1999 (22 TD 23 INT)?

Good article though..

I especially like the part Jon Clayton wrote..I would agree that Favre could still be a pro bowler...


I AGREE.

[BallHawk]

Top 5? No.

Top 10? Yes.

Brady
Manning
Brees
Palmer
Bulger

All QBs, that, at this time, are better than Favre.

I'd add McNabb (when healthy) and probably Matt Hasselbeck to guys that I'd take over Favre right now. To me, that makes Brett around #8, maybe a spot or two lower, but still a top 10 QB.

Possibly Hasselbeck, but McNabb, I believe, reached his peak three years ago. He's been injured the last two seasons. Yes, one was an Blown ACL, but he's just lost a step, IMO.

[wist43]

I still see Favre as being a top 10 QB... w/o Favre last year, you're looking at 2-14.

McCarthy did a decent job of reigning him in and getting him to play w/in the system... Sherman didn't care if he flung the ball up for grabs.

Had Holmgren stayed, I think Favre's numbers would be considerably better than what they are... Sherman definitely had a detrimental effect on Favre IMO.

[FritzDontBlitz]

i'm waiting for the "how many qb's could put up numbers equal to favre's when surrounded by equal talent?" question.

the answer is: NONE.

[The Leaper]

He remains a reliable starting QB, although he is no longer capable of carrying a team to the postseason on the merit of his own talent. I would argue that he still is one of the top ten QBs in the league if you took everyone and gave them the same cast to work with.

[The Leaper]

Brett "helped" carry a team...but he's never been able to alone. In the 90's he had the defense to rescue some of his idiotic mistakes.

Idiotic mistakes? Surely you jest.

The guy only completed 61% of his passes for over 16,000 yards along with 145 TDs with just 56 INTs over 4 years that were arguably the best 4 year run of any QB in NFL history.

The guy basically took a relatively untalented offense and made it a powerhouse all by himself. We sit here and think well of guys like Brooks, Freeman, Levens, Chmura, etc...but the basic truth is that all of those guys were actually very average in terms of talent. Without Favre, it is unlikely any of those guys become Pro Bowl caliber talents. Favre also had a rather average OL at best during most of the 1990s.

No...Favre DID carry the offense in the 1990s.

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Rank 'Em: Where does Favre rank?

Is Brett Favre still a top tier QB?The last few seasons in Green Bay have not been easy for future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre. Mediocre final records, along with "un-Favre" like stats have led some to suggest that Favre should just hang it up or at least move over and let Aaron Rodgers develop as the Packers' new starting quarterback. The most recent controversy took place this week when reports suggested that Favre had demanded a trade out of Green Bay after the Packers failed to acquire wide receiver Randy Moss from the Oakland Raiders. What we want to know, SportsNation, is where you currently rank Favre among next year's speculated starting quarterbacks. Is the Green Bay legend still among the top 10 signal callers in the league? Or has his star fallen much further than that?

RESULTS: TOP 7.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Donovan McNabb
6. Matt Hasselback
7. Bret Favre
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[MJZiggy]

i'm waiting for the "how many qb's could put up numbers equal to favre's when surrounded by equal talent?" question.

the answer is: NONE.

But how many qb's could put up numbers equal to Favre's when surrounded by equal talent?

There. Now you don't have to wait anymore.

[BallHawk]

Bulger is better than Favre. McNabb is not.