Packer Rats 1st round poll: Hawk selection

[MadtownPacker]

Vote!

[BF4MVP]

Eh..I voted "he's okay"

At first I hated it..I'm sure I'll be "thrilled" eventually..Just not yet..

[RashanGary]

I voted Thrilled.

I would have been thrilled with either Hawk or Davis. I was friggin extactic when the Jets chose D'brick.

[ND72]

if there was a selectiopn for beyond thrilled, i'd pick that.

[Merlin]

Mistake, we have the same linbacker in Barnett. Needed a MLB.

[Deputy Nutz]

First time in a long time that I am actually happy with the Packers first round draft pick.

[Merlin]

He wasn't worth a 5, Urlacher was taken what? 9th and Lewis was taken a 6th? He doesn't have MLB qualities. He is Barnett minus the pass coverage skills. He will be where Barnett is in now in 3 years.

[ND72]

Mistake, we have the same linbacker in Barnett. Needed a MLB.

Hawk is so far different from Barnett. You obviously don't have a clue .

[BF4MVP]

Hawk is a lot better than Barnett..There's a reason why Barnett was a borderline first round pikc (29th) and Hawk went 5th..Hawk is a better prospect..

[RashanGary]

Hey ND and Nutz..I don't know if you caught it on the other thread but in hindsight I think you guys were right on with Hawk.

Maybe next year I can earn my way as a scout on your draft articals...I'd like to scout safteys and DB's if I had the chance.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Mistake, we have the same linbacker in Barnett. Needed a MLB.

Hawk is so far different from Barnett. You obviously don't have a clue .

Right; Hawk is Dat Nguyen at best.

[Merlin]

Mistake, we have the same linbacker in Barnett. Needed a MLB.

Hawk is so far different from Barnett. You obviously don't have a clue .

Yeah okay if you say so. He can't blow up guards, his game is horisontal and he over pursues. Sound familiar? It should, that was the analysis on Barnett when he was picked. He may be faster but he isn't quicker then Barnett and that is a fact. Apparently you haven't watched the guy play. They showed all of his sacks, not one, I repeat not one was talking on a lineman, always followed someone through a hole or came from the outside. Sound familiar? It should, Barnett was the same type of college player. He isn't Urlacher (9th) or Lewis (5th). THAT is a fact. He may be a first rounder but not a top 5 or even a top 10.

[Bretsky]

Hey ND and Nutz..I don't know if you caught it on the other thread but in hindsight I think you guys were right on with Hawk.

Maybe next year I can earn my way as a scout on your draft articals...I'd like to scout safteys and DB's if I had the chance.


I saw that Nick; glad you are on the Hawk Wagon.
B

[Bretsky]

Mistake, we have the same linbacker in Barnett. Needed a MLB.

Hawk is so far different from Barnett. You obviously don't have a clue .

Yeah okay if you say so. He can't blow up guards, his game is horisontal and he over pursues. Sound familiar? It should, that was the analysis on Barnett when he was picked. He may be faster but he isn't quicker then Barnett and that is a fact. Apparently you haven't watched the guy play. They showed all of his sacks, not one, I repeat not one was talking on a lineman, always followed someone through a hole or came from the outside. Sound familiar? It should, Barnett was the same type of college player. He isn't Urlacher (9th) or Lewis (5th). THAT is a fact. He may be a first rounder but not a top 5 or even a top 10.

Who can blow up a good guard ? Certainly not Urlacher or Lewis; LB's need some protection. Regarding all of his sacks being uncontested, that is crap. I've watched Hawk for four years and he beat guards. And he beat guards at the point of attack too. Did you see his play at the goal line against Notre Dame in the Bowl game ? His numbers and mesaurables are very similar to Urlachers; that is a FACT. It is no fact that he is worse or better than Urlacher.

You would NOT HAVE ONE GM in the NFL saying Hawk was not a top 10 player in this draft; that's just a silly statement.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah okay if you say so. He can't blow up guards, his game is horisontal and he over pursues. Sound familiar? It should, that was the analysis on Barnett when he was picked. He may be faster but he isn't quicker then Barnett and that is a fact. Apparently you haven't watched the guy play. They showed all of his sacks, not one, I repeat not one was talking on a lineman, always followed someone through a hole or came from the outside. Sound familiar? It should, Barnett was the same type of college player. He isn't Urlacher (9th) or Lewis (5th). THAT is a fact. He may be a first rounder but not a top 5 or even a top 10.
I have never really seen Hawk play (last Ohio St game I saw was championship when MCGahee got his knee rearranged) but something that bothers me about Barnett is that he seems to lack instinct at times. He's good but he's not a playmaker, a difference maker. He has had a couple of INTs but I have never seen him level anyone like Collins did as a safety last season. I hope Hawk is the punishing type and seriously considers hurting the opposing QBs and RBs.

[RashanGary]

Thanks B...

It's pretty stressfull being a fan of a team when they're picking #5...You guys had a damn good read on that guy...I'm have a lot to learn about LBers that is for sure.

[woodbuck27]

Vote!

The way the Draft played out with Mario Williams off the top, it had to be us grabbing Vernon Davis or AJ Hawk as both were rated properly in the draft AND it was this or that guy depended on need on "O" or "D".

All the experts were claiming that Hawk would serve his team very well for a decade.The reports on Vernon Davis claimed that he was an exceptional talent with amazing strength and speed. Film of Davis had to make any GM drool and the 49ers got an excellent TE in Davis after TT pulled the trigger on OUR man.

OUR pick of Hawk was sound and logical given OUR need at LBer. Those who felt we had to go inside at LBer got their wish when TT snagged Abdul Hodge at #67 in the third round. Good value here as Abdul Hodge was ranked at about #50.

[Pack0514]

Three Words

Perennial All-Pro

[CaptainKickass]

Woodbuck is on the "Late Train".

[Zool]

Yeeup. He's a gamer alright.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I am so happy we drafted hawk, but even happier we didn’t draft Davis. I much rather draft a football player than draft some physical beast that doesn’t know how to play game. Now, I’m not saying that Davis doesn’t know how to play the game, but I just found it kind of funny how he reach the top 10 in mock drafts after the pro day and wasn’t in the top 10 b4 that. A.J. hawk showed in college that he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER and that when is comes down to it has instincts will take over. The fact that he runs a 4.5 or jumps a certain height is really less important to me them proving you have the know how.

Look at Kampmen, he is an average athlete, but is smart and has good instincts so he has success. But with Hawk your getting a player who is smart and has good instincts , but is also an above average athlete. And at the end he will be a special player.

[pbmax]

Barnett was the same type of college player. He isn't Urlacher (9th) or Lewis (5th). THAT is a fact. He may be a first rounder but not a top 5 or even a top 10.
Unless you are talking about Jamal, Ray Lewis was picked at #26, not #5.

And if Hawk just makes a couple Pro Bowl appearances, the number 5 pick will have panned out, reglardless of Davis. Any hit in the first round is a success. At less than 50% of first round choices making it as starters, arguing that he isn't all world is pointless.

And Zak Thomas and many smaller OLBs have had good success in this scheme. They aren't taking guards head on in most cases.

[The Leaper]

Living in Columbus, I've seen a lot of Hawk. I really am high on the kid. He is a football player. Some positions are hard to project to the next level, but I don't feel LB is one of them. Hawk is a carbon copy of Barnett athletically, but he played at a higher level over a longer period in college and displayed the ability to step up his game on a huge national stage against ultra-elite competition...which didn't happen with Barnett. Hawk isn't being placed out of position at the next level, like Barnett was. He's going to shine at the OLB position, and become a bona-fide playmaker who will be a leader on defense for years to come.

Hawk is coming from a fundamentally sound coaching staff led by Jim Tressel...a defensive specialist who is a proven winner everywhere he has been. Barnett came from a coaching staff led by Dennis Erickson, an offensive innovator whose career is a roller coaster. If I was drafting a LB, I'd want him to come from the Tressel team.

Vernon Davis might have a higher upside...but he also has a much greater risk. I'm glad we got the guy who is a football player, not an athlete in a football uniform. Long term, Hawk will be the better player IMO...although I don't doubt that Davis may have a handful of dominating seasons at TE/WR.

[HarveyWallbangers]

To add to Leaper's thoughts. The most underrated aspect of Hawk's game is his tackling ability. I'm pretty sure it will translate to the pro level. Hawk was as good of a tackler as anybody I've seen on the college level. When he gets to somebody, they go down.