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TopHat
05-30-2007, 01:17 PM
http://greenbaypressgazette.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070527/PKR01/705270629&SearchID=73282624693628

Cap savings or salvation? Team must choose between keeping or cutting vets like Ferguson, Franks, KGB and Manuel.

Four veterans coming off disappointing seasons are slated to take up more than 11 percent of the Green Bay Packers' salary cap for the upcoming season. The team could release some combination of Marquand Manuel, Bubba Franks, Robert Ferguson and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila by Sept. 1. But increased spending power, a young roster and management's commitment to long-term flexibility make it possible for all four to make the team — even if none earns a starting role. That would have seemed impossible a year ago, before NFL owners and the players' association agreed to extend the collective bargaining agreement, thus avoiding the need to release high-priced players to stay under the salary cap. The cap has risen from $85.5 million in 2005 to $109 million this year.

Armed with roughly $30 million in cap space, the Packers this offseason re-signed starters Nick Barnett and Cullen Jenkins to long-term contracts with a combined first-year cap hit of about $11.5 million. Their only notable free-agent signing was cornerback Frank Walker, who got a one-year, $1.24 million deal. Subtracting their $4.907 million allotment for rookies, the Packers are roughly $10 million below the cap. So, players like Manuel, Franks, Ferguson and Gbaja-Biamila have an opportunity to keep making inflated salaries despite deflated production, provided General Manager Ted Thompson believes they're making positive contributions. "You have to say, 'OK, what can this person do for us as a football team?'" Thompson said last week, speaking generally. "A lot of times, (a player's income) just has to do with timing, the nature of the position, when those contracts were negotiated. So, you can never wipe the slate clean and say, 'OK, we're going to be absolutely fair to the dime with every guy.'"

Role playing. Manuel, 27, is the only member of the group going through the offseason program as a starter, but his spot on the 53-man roster is in jeopardy as much as any. He was inconsistent in his first season in Green Bay, and the Packers spent a third-round draft pick on strong safety Aaron Rouse. Set to make $1.3 million this season, Manuel will try to prove groin and calf problems were all that prevented him from making the impact expected when the Packers gave him a five-year, $10 million free-agent deal before last season. "Even though I was smart enough and physical enough to play the game, I still wasn't Marquand," Manuel said during last weekend's mandatory minicamp. "It's just a blessing to be healthy, man." Manuel returned to his old offseason regimen this year, working with trainers in Arizona to improve his athleticism. Packers coaches expressed support for him throughout minicamp, though defensive coordinator Bob Sanders emphasized "there's competition at every spot." Atari Bigby and Marviel Underwood also may have a chance to unseat Manuel, or the team could bring in another veteran. "Marquand took a lot of negative heat on some things," secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer said. "He's overcome that, and again, he's come back (and) he's in excellent shape."

Franks, 29, says he's in the best shape he's been in years, but he's fallen behind Donald Lee on the depth chart and is battling Tory Humphrey to earn the No. 2 spot. A Pro Bowler from 2001 to 2003, Franks is coming off the two least-productive seasons of his career, and he's trying to find a niche in the Packers' zone-blocking scheme. "We're going on our second year in it," said Franks, who said he's leaner and about 5 pounds lighter than a year ago. "Last year, they said it wasn't a new offense, but it kind of was. You're going to have your learning curves." If he's in the rotation, Franks is a relative bargain at $1.4 million this season. He might find himself closer to the cutting block a year from now, when his base salary jumps to $3 million. He's slated to make at least $5 million the three seasons after that. "We are adjusting some things as we move forward with the tight end position, and I think we have excellent competition," coach Mike McCarthy said. "But Bubba Franks is a veteran football player, and we expect him to contribute to our football team."

Ferguson, 27, also could contribute to an offense that needs playmakers. But he's recovering from the mid-foot ailment that landed him on injured reserve in 2006, and he never has been a full-time starter in six NFL seasons. If Ferguson can fit in with the rookies and young players set to rotate behind Donald Driver and Greg Jennings, his $1.8 million base salary (and $2.5 million cap number) isn't unreasonable. "I'm not necessarily re-establishing myself — I'm establishing myself," said Ferguson, who says he's added 15 pounds of muscle to his 6-foot-1 frame. "I feel like I'm fresh and healthy and faster and all that than I ever was before."

Then there's the highest-paid player of them all, Gbaja-Biamila, who is set to make a base salary of $5 million — more than the total compensation of top linemen Ryan Pickett and Aaron Kampman combined. Coaches aren't expecting Gbaja-Biamila, 29, to reclaim the starting job he relinquished to Jenkins in December. But they know he's one of two players on the roster with proven double-digit sack potential, despite recording a career-low six in 2006. "He can still be that guy," defensive ends coach Carl Hairston said. "He's not rusty. He's still got the ability of one of the top pass-rushers in the league. He has to think that he's not a backup."

Built for the future. It seems more likely the Packers would dump an expendable backup like tackle Kevin Barry (cap number: $1.235 million) than any current or former starters, though kicker Dave Rayner and punter Jon Ryan face competitions for their respective jobs. In late August, the Packers were about $7.6 million under the cap. Barring a major free-agent signing, they'll be in the same neighborhood this fall. The cap is expected to rise to $115 million or more in 2008, and the Packers have between $95 million and $100 million in commitments, a number that is certain to drop during fall cuts. So, Thompson is poised to enter a third straight offseason with more than $20 million to spend — and $12 million more if quarterback Brett Favre retires — though he's proven it's possible to fill cap space without spending a lot of cash. Defensive tackle Corey Williams is the only player of consequence who can become an unrestricted free agent. A multiyear deal with running back Vernand Morency, set to be a restricted free agent after this season, could be a priority if he wins the starting job. "In order to make this a continuing process so you always have a little flexibility in that regard, (the key) is to be able to plan in advance, to be able to seek out core players on your team and try to do contracts in advance," Thompson said. "It's good, quite frankly, for the player and for the organization. I think that's an ideal situation."

Chances are Manuel, Franks, Ferguson and Gbaja-Biamila won't breathe any easier if they make the roster. Their combined cap number for 2008 is more than $17 million.

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Packers May Release DE Gbaja-Biamila, WR Ferguson

According to a report by Tom Pelissero of the Green Bay Press Gazette, in addition to tight end Bubba Franks, the Green Bay Packers could release defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila and wide receiver Robert Ferguson. Gbaja-Biamila (KGB for short) had an awful year last season and apparently the Packers are going to show him no patience. From 2001 to 2004 he was arguably one of the better defensive ends in the league but has slipped significantly since then. Robert Ferguson seems like a more risk-less release. He's played in fewer games each of the last five seasons and his ability has dwindled with the playing time. That culminated last season when he managed to play in only four games while collecting five catches for 31 yards and a single touchdown. Along with Bubba Franks and strong safety Marquand Manuel, who may also be released, the four take up around 11% of the Packers entire salary. Note: While I am no G.M., I think the Packers would be better off if they attempted to trade KGB and Manuel (etc.) before releasing them. Even if they only managed to get a late round draft choice, it's better then nothing.

LL2
05-30-2007, 02:23 PM
I could see Fergy and Manuel cut, but not KGB and Franks. The TE position isn't strong enough to cut Franks. Even though his talen has dropped off, he still can contribute and hopefully rebound. KGB will be kept as a pass rush specialist, and to relieve Jenkins from time to time. It's really what KGB is built for.

Fred's Slacks
05-30-2007, 03:15 PM
I could see Fergy and Manuel cut, but not KGB and Franks. The TE position isn't strong enough to cut Franks. Even though his talen has dropped off, he still can contribute and hopefully rebound. KGB will be kept as a pass rush specialist, and to relieve Jenkins from time to time. It's really what KGB is built for.

I agree completely. TT is going to wait and see if any of them show something this preseason. Fergy and Manuel are going to have to clearly out play the young guys if they want to make the roster. I'd like to see KGB get pushed by some of the young guys but I think he'll thrive in the pass rush specialist role. As for Franks, I am hopeful that he will revert back to the old reliable TE from pre 2004 but even if he's not I don't see 3 of our young guys showing enough or even having enough potential to warant cutting him. He's still too good of a blocker. That's my take.

Hopefully if these guys play well and the young guys out play them, they may have some trade value.

Scott Campbell
05-30-2007, 05:56 PM
I'd be mildly surprised if KGB, Manual or Franks got cut.

I'd be very surprised if Fergy didn't get cut.

RashanGary
05-30-2007, 06:06 PM
"In order to make this a continuing process so you always have a little flexibility in that regard, (the key) is to be able to plan in advance, to be able to seek out core players on your team and try to do contracts in advance," Thompson said. "It's good, quite frankly, for the player and for the organization. I think that's an ideal situation."



This goes back to my theory of 3 NFL markets. 1. UFA 2. RFA and 3. I want mine early. All three of these are VERY different markets and Thompson is hinting at that right now.

The pro UFA guys say "you can't overpay because the market sets the value" Well, I completely disagree and apparently so does Ted Thompson. I believe that if you draft well and keep a core of your own guys around by locking them up early or with tags and restrictions, you can pay less for the same player than if you got him off of the UFA shit pile. It's not about building "only" through the draft, but it's about being GREAT in the draft so you don't have to hurt yourself in UFA. If you do fall short and have to resort to UFA to plug a hole in the highest priced market then so be it, but if you do things right, you won't have to do much of that *see Indy, Seattle, Pittsburgh, et al.