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TopHat
06-11-2007, 01:33 PM
Hot topic on Packer sites with contrasting viewpoints. YOUR VOTE & VIEW, FANS?

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2007/06/08/1/

Kicking Competition Barely Getting Started

During the last two organized team activities (OTAs) this past week, Green Bay kickers Dave Rayner and Mason Crosby took their first kicks in team (11-on-11) drills. Prior to that, they both had been kicking in individual drills only. So, in a sense, the competition for the kicking job officially "kicked off" this week. But don't read too much into it. Both kickers know there's a long way to go, and nothing will be decided in June, or anytime soon for that matter. "It's going to be a long process," Crosby said. Both kickers attempted four to five field goals outside on Wednesday, and then were part of some run-on field goals inside the Don Hutson Center on Thursday. The latter workout was open to the media, and Rayner missed two tries from 46 yards, while Crosby made his from that same distance.

Rayner isn't overly concerned, however, because he hasn't primed his training for OTAs. He'll soon will start the process of getting himself ready for training camp, when the repetitions become more frequent and the scrutiny more intense. "The month before I'm going to kick a lot so when I get into training camp, I'm in shape," Rayner said. "But I'm not going to have to kick a ton in training camp to get in shape." Rayner won the kicking job last year midway through the preseason schedule when the team released veteran Billy Cundiff. He went on to hit 26 of 35 field-goal attempts (74.3 percent) and 31 of 32 PATs. He won't be easy to unseat, but the competition from Crosby will be legitimate in every sense. Rather than simply bring in a veteran free agent to give the appearance of competition for Rayner this summer, the Packers drafted Crosby out of Colorado in the sixth round, later than many draft experts predicted he'd be available.

With a strong leg and a track record for making long field goals in college, Crosby has an advantage over perhaps another rookie trying to win a job in Green Bay because he encountered plenty of cold, windy days in Colorado, the kind of conditions he'll encounter plenty at Lambeau Field. "Everything is about the wind that you hear here," Crosby said. "I've noticed that on the practice fields. It's stuff you can't control, and I look at it as a good challenge and something to keep my focus up." At the same time, though, Crosby doesn't have a respectable NFL season under his belt like Rayner does, and there's a bit more pressure every time he kicks, even in a June OTA. Rayner certainly wasn't happy about missing two kicks on Thursday, but it was no cause for alarm. It wouldn't have been had Crosby missed, either, but any challenger trying to knock out an incumbent is in a slightly different state of mind. "Every time I step on that practice field right now I have to kind of have a game mindset and prepare for it just the same way," Crosby said. That said, Crosby feels he's settling in well and he's not about to let the challenge in front of him overwhelm him, either. "You can't make it more than it is," he said. "When I'm on the field, I feel comfortable, and you just have to kind of zone everything out."
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http://www.packers.com/draft/2007/crosby.phtml

Mason Crosby | Kicker | Colorado | 6'1" - 212 lbs.

When it comes to the art of kicking off, few players in the collegiate or professional ranks boast the leg strength that Crosby has. The holder of thirty-one school game, season and career records, he closed out his tenure as Colorado's all-time scorer with 307 points. While some skeptics cite the thin air in the Mile High City for the success of kickers in the Denver area, Crosby has proven time and again that he can be just as successful at "sea level" and with his power and follow-through, records at the professional level could soon be in jeopardy....

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=2&c=649475&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fpackers.scout.com%2f2%2f 649475.html

Crosby has leg up on Rayner. With a resume like the Colorado rookie's, it doesn't take a physicist to see the sixth-round pick is the favorite to be the Packers' kicker this season.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=2&c=650688&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fstory.scout.com%2fa.z%3f s%3d61%26p%3d2%26c%3d650688

Mason Crosby Q&A. Rookie kicker talks about experience thus far, competition, and preparations for training camp
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http://www.packers.com/team/players/rayner_dave/

K Dave Rayner #16 6' 2" • 210 lbs. • Michigan State Exp: 3rd NFL Season, 2nd Packers Season Age: 24 Acquired: Waiver 2006 (Ind.) Current Status: Active Roster. Pro Summary: 15 of 23 field goals and 31 of 32 extra points last season. Third-year player enters training camp. Possessing a strong leg, originally was chosen by the Colts in the sixth round (202nd overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft Played in 14 games for the Colts in 2005 before being waived (Dec. 20). Re-signed by the Colts on Feb. 15, 2006, he was waived and picked up by the Packers.

http://pu2006.typepad.com/packerupdate/2007/05/dont_kick_rayne.html

Don't kick Rayner to the Curb.

While there’s no denying that big-legged rookie Mason Crosby has impressive credentials, it would be a mistake to underestimate incumbent kicker Dave Rayner. The ex-Michigan State star is coming off a pretty solid rookie season, and oh yeah, he’s no slouch himself when it comes to leg strength. “Rayner doesn’t have to take a back seat to anybody in that regard,” said a former scout. “The ball explodes off his foot. I doubt you’ll see much of a difference between the two once training camp begins.” Look for Crosby to get slightly better hang-time and distance on kickoffs and Rayner to be a bit more accurate on field goals. “It should be a spirited competition,” added the scout....
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Fan's view: "Dave Rayner:...one of the strongest legs in the NFL. He has great range...is consistant with the short ones...some accuracy problems with some of the longer kicks but converted 9 of 14 from 40+...Rayner was ranked 26th in FG % last year...displayed great ability to kickoff. Mason Crosby:...one of the strongest legs in the NCAA...showed outstanding range and good accuracy...kicking at high altitude helped him a lot...yet great kicks at lower altitudes...lack of late season consistency under pressure lead to fall in the draft."

BallHawk
06-11-2007, 01:42 PM
Crosby by a hair.

woodbuck27
06-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Crosby by a hair.

PLEASE.

JUST. . .let the best man win it. :)

GO PACKERS !!

Tarlam!
06-11-2007, 02:28 PM
Raynor is toast.

LL2
06-11-2007, 02:32 PM
I give the edge to Crosby, but Rayner is in the hearts of a lot of Packer fans because of what he went through last year.

Merlin
06-11-2007, 03:10 PM
I think Rayner is here to stay. Crosby has an upside because he has been kicking field goals in college whereas Rayner was just kicking off in Indy. I think he will be just fine.

MJZiggy
06-11-2007, 03:32 PM
I give the edge to Crosby, but Rayner is in the hearts of a lot of Packer fans because of what he went through last year.

What did Rayner go through?

oregonpackfan
06-11-2007, 03:49 PM
I think Rayner's experience will come through.

Perhaps LL2 confused Rayner with the Packers' punter who lost his Dad.

Joemailman
06-11-2007, 05:57 PM
If Rayner is more consistent in the pre-season, maybe they both make it. To make room on the roster for 2 kickers, the Packers would probably need to find a KR from a position player, as opposed to adding someone just to return kicks.

CaliforniaCheez
06-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Some scouts thought that Crosby's motion was "sudden" and not smooth.

Coaches changing it can make him better or worse.

While it is fun for fans the decision will be an important one.

If the loser can be traded it would be nice but I doubt that is likely.
The loser is likely to get picked up some time during the season another team.

It really is a good thing when the Packer team is good enough to cut quality players.

MadScientist
06-11-2007, 11:07 PM
I think Crosby will take it. Just like last year, the Packers will go with the stronger leg.

RashanGary
06-11-2007, 11:32 PM
I'm guessing Rayner. We know Rayner has touchback leg strength and kickers seem to really progress in those first 2 or 3 years. Crosby might struggle early like most young kickers.

Bretsky
06-12-2007, 07:27 AM
If you look at leg strength Crosby has it as well. My guess was Crosby. Stud in college and TT liked him enough to use a draft pick on him

Tarlam!
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
TT liked him enough to use a draft pick on him

That's why, to me, Raynor is toast. Raynor says it's his position to lose. Well, with my appraisal of TT's draft pick value mentality, it is exactly the opposite. It's the rook's job to lose.

pittstang5
06-12-2007, 04:30 PM
I just want some consistency from whoever makes it. I really missed Longwell last year from that aspect.

The Minnesota game at home last year really got me thinking that Raynor may not be the solution. Granted, it's only one game, but he missed alot of field goals that were clearly in his range.

Fred's Slacks
06-12-2007, 04:46 PM
I'm guessing Rayner. We know Rayner has touchback leg strength and kickers seem to really progress in those first 2 or 3 years. Crosby might struggle early like most young kickers.

I am thinking this same thing. I would love to see Crosby come in and light it up, but it seems that most kickers need to make some adjustments coming into this league and it takes a year or two to find a rhythm. So I went with Rayner.

BF4MVP
06-12-2007, 06:17 PM
Mason Crosby.

The Leaper
06-12-2007, 06:29 PM
The fact they used a draft pick on a kicker seems to suggest they believe Rayner can be improved on. The only way Crosby isn't on the team week one would be if Rayner takes a significant step forward and/or Crosby falls flat on his face during camp.

I think the latter is pretty unlikely given Crosby's success in college and cannon leg. So, it is up to Rayner to prove there is a vast difference between him and Crosby.

RashanGary
06-12-2007, 08:53 PM
I don't think Crosby's leg is that much stronger than Rayners, if at all. I hear all of the Crosby talk and I just think we're going to see a guy struggle learning to get the ball off quicker and kicking the harder ball. Kicking is finicky, any change can throw the whole motion off. Rayner is just perfecting his already adjusted swing. Crosby, like most young kickers, will likely be adjusting and struggling early.

Thompson strikes me as a "best man wins" type guy. As everyone knows, I really have developed a liking for the way Thompson goes about his job. If he kept the lesser player because he drafted him and it was obvious, it would be certainly be a rare black mark on his resume as far as I'm concerned.

Bretsky
06-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Strength wise I think the legs are quite equal

But I also think TT thinks Crosby has more upside and that's why he used a draft choice on a kicker.

Jerry Tagge
06-13-2007, 12:01 AM
I say Chester Marcol is the kicker.

I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!

TopHat
06-13-2007, 06:15 AM
1. Who will be the 2007 Packer Kicker:

Mason Crosby 73%
David Rayner 17%
Other 10%

2. Who are the Packers Punters and Kickers....?

Dave Rayner and Jon Ryan 8%
Mason Crosby & Jon Ryan 84%
Dave Rayner & David Lonie 4%
Mason Crosby & David Lonie 4%

3. Which....candidate will be kicking?

Mason Crosby 61%
Dave Rayner 39%