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TopHat
06-23-2007, 10:46 AM
Latest expose with what probably happened in Appleton, while awaiting the local DA decision. By a common sense standard, the answer is "NO", but knowing, these days, how such legal scenarios play out in legal system....Fans, your vote & prediction?

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/22/club-owner-packers-barnett-was-provoked/

Club Owner: Packers' Barnett Was Provoked

Things didn't look so good for Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett earlier this week. Shortly after he was arrested for a disturbance at the club "Wet" in Appleton, Wisconsin, it was revealed that he had allegedly shoved a woman to the ground. From that point forward, he was fair game to the media and they went wild. There were reports (that have since been deleted) that he went as far as punching this woman in the face. Now the clubs co-owner, Kathy Peotter, has come forward and said that's not the case at all. "I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion," Peotter said. "I'm not going to say Nick was on his best behavior that night, because he wasn't, but this is getting blown way out of proportion."
Peotter went on to indicate this whole incident was provoked by a few rabid female fans. While Barnett, other Packers players and some of their wives were quietly trying to enjoy themselves, two fans came up demanding autographs. When they were rebuffed, the two women got angry and began to curse at one of the players. It eventually escalated to the point where one of the women threw a drink in Barnett's face. It was then, allegedly, that Barnett shoved this woman.
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http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070622/GPG0101/706220582/1989

Woman tossed drink at Barnett, co-owner of nightclub says. Incident 'blown out of proportion,' according to Peotter

A woman threw a drink at Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett shortly before he was arrested last weekend for allegedly shoving a woman at a downtown nightclub, one of the establishment's co-owners said Thursday. The co-owner, Kathy Peotter, also said she was not arguing with Barnett when police arrived at the nightclub Wet, 344 W. College Ave., and subsequently arrested him on a misdemeanor battery offense. "I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion," Peotter said. "I'm not going to say Nick was on his best behavior that night, because he wasn't, but this is getting blown way out of proportion." Peotter said Barnett has been coming into the club for months, and that there were more Packers than usual at the nightclub because of Sunday's Brett Favre charity softball game at Fox Cities Stadium. She said there were probably a half-dozen Packers in the club that night, at least two of them with their wives. "They just want to be left alone," she said. Peotter said two women who were trying to get an autograph from another player, who was at the club with his wife, swore at the player. Another fan grabbed Barnett's arm and asked for an autograph, she said. One of the bartenders told Peotter that a woman threw a drink at Barnett shortly before a woman was shoved or fell to the ground. Peotter said it wasn't clear if it was the same woman involved in both incidents. Barnett, 26, was jailed briefly early Sunday after the incident at the club, and Appleton police Sgt. Pat DeWall said Thursday that officers investigating the case still are conducting witness interviews. He said the department hopes reports can be sent to Outagamie County District Attorney Carrie Schneider's office early next week. Schneider said it will be a week or more after she receives the report from police before she decides whether to formally charge Barnett. "That's if I need additional follow-up and need to talk to witnesses any more," Schneider said.

Packers public relations director Jeff Blumb said the team would decline comment on the issue other than the extensive comments Packers coach Mike McCarthy made earlier in the week. "I don't know if there is much we can say that he hasn't said anyway," Blumb said. McCarthy said he has discussed the incident with Barnett. The team is concerned because of the NFL's new, stringent personal-conduct policy that allows the commissioner to suspend players for a wide range of illegal or untoward behavior off the field. "I'm not going to sit here and go through the specifics of the incident," McCarthy said Monday. "But there's two sides to every story. I've listened to his side and we'll let the process take its course."
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Watch Out for Flying Drinks

He still shouldn't have allegedly shoved anybody, but maybe LB Nick Barnett was just protecting himself from a flying drink. It's more likely he allegedly shoved someone in retaliation, not in self defense, but either way it gives Barnett a potential legal defense and makes it harder to obtain a conviction. However, it might be harder for the D.A. to drop a weak case when an NFL player is involved.
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Lastest on the Nick Barnett

Here is the latest in the Nick Barnett situation. According to a Green Bay Radio station (WSSP), the woman that Nick Barnett knew the woman that he pushed. Supposedly the woman was bugging Nick Barnett the entire night and he kept telling her to leave him alone. She wouldn’t leave him alone though. When he told her to leave again she supposedly threw a glass at him. She still wouldn’t leave him a lone so he shoved her so she would get away from him. Apparently both parties were extremely drunk. Supposedly the only reason it was made to be a big deal was because Nick Barnett was involved. If this report is true Nick Barnett really didn’t do anything wrong. (I can’t verify that this is true at this point though). The woman wouldn’t leave Nick alone and even threw a glass at him. If this was the case, why wasn’t the woman arrested instead. I think throwing a glass at someone is worse than shoving someone. The woman started the argument as well. If this is true Nick Barnett better not be charged with anything and he better not face any penalties, either by suspension or fine by the NFL. If I hear more about the situation I will post it as soon as I can. (This story might not be totally accurate. We won’t know until the details are released by the Appleton police.)

Push comes to shove

A day after he was arrested for a physical altercation with a woman, linebacker Nick Barnett did not participate in the Packers’ Organized Team Activities practice in Green Bay. Barnett was not available to the media today at Lambeau Field, but the Packers have notified the National Football League of the incident.”We have notified the league, and we have not heard back from them,” said Packers coach Mike McCarthy. “They have been notified.” Meanwhile, Appleton police issued more details of Barnett’s arrest, which occurred about 2 a.m. on Sunday morning at the Wet, an Appleton, Wis., nightclub. According to police, Barnett got into a fight with a female acquaintance inside Wet and pushed her to the floor. A bar owner got involved and the owner’s argument with Barnett spilled out to the street, where police officers became involved.

Continue Story: I knew Nick Barnett’s arrest was blown way out of proportion. Everyone thought he got in this big fight when he only shoved a person. (That was still unnecessary though). The person he shoved wasn’t even hurt. Nick Barnett will not be suspended for this and probably won’t get a fine. He shouldn’t either. If the NFL suspended or fined everyone who shoved someone 75% of the league would either be suspended or fined. If Nick Barnett gets anything from the NFL I believe the NFL has finally gone over the line with their penalties for misbehavior. I think Nick Barnett was stupid for what he did. He never should have pushed a woman. What he did was not enough for a suspension from the NFL. This is based on what we know now. If he actually did more he probably should be suspended. Just for shoving someone though he shouldn’t be suspended. In most states he wouldn’t have even been arrested for what he did. But since it is Wisconsin and we have laws where one party in fights has to be arrested and put in jail for the night he got arrested. The woman also could have started the fight we don’t know at this point. The prosecution is even considering not charging him and if they do it will be a misdemeanor. If every NFL player that has been charged with a misdemeanor was suspended almost the entire NFL would be suspended. Although his actions were stupid Nick Barnett should not be suspended from the NFL.
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Packers LB Nick Barnett’s arrest exactly 15 years after Favre’s

What do you get when you combine a nightclub, alcohol and a muscle-bound professional athlete intermingling with the general population? If you guessed “friendly conversation,” you better go back and reread the question. The answer, of course, is an argument, leading to an altercation – usually physical – followed by the intervention of local law enforcement. Charles Barkley lends himself as a great example. In late 1991, Barkley, then with the 76ers, found himself facing misdemeanor battery and disorderly conduct charges after busting a man’s nose outside a Milwaukee bar. Examples like Barkley’s are too numerous to list – and they continue to compile. Early Sunday morning, June 17, Packers linebacker Nick Barnett was the most recent example of the inevitable consequences of the aforementioned scenario. Barnett was arrested by local police around 2 a.m. outside of WET nightclub on Appleton’s popular College Avenue after reportedly “shoving” a female to the ground inside the club.

Barnett’s arrest came exactly one week shy of the 15-year anniversary of another nightclub incident involving a then untested Packers prospect. In the wee hours of Wednesday, June 24, 1992, Packers backup quarterback Brett Favre, recently acquired via trade from the Atlanta Falcons, was arrested alongside second-year nose tackle Esera Tuaolo after a fight in a Hattiesburg, Mississippi nightclub. According to the Capital Times’ account, “Favre was charged with being drunk in public, disorderly conduct and profanity....Favre’s now wife, but then 23-year-old girlfriend, Deanna Tynes, was arrested for profanity and interfering with a police officer.” Also arrested for interfering with a police officer was Favre’s younger brother Jeffery, then 18.

Despite the similarities between the two incidents, Barnett’s recent altercation appears more serious and will likely result in much harsher penalties – for two salient reasons. For starters, if true, Barnett’s fight involved pushing a female – much worse than if he would’ve pushed a male. After all, what does that say about Barnett’s character if he feels the need to push a female, especially considering his massive size and strength? But the facts have yet to be determined, so until they are, all judgment regarding his character will stay on hold. Most importantly, however, Barnett has to answer to new NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and his strict guidelines regarding player conduct. In 1992, at the time of Favre’s arrest, the less strict Paul Tagliabue was commissioner. With Goodell, Barnett will likely face fines and suspensions if the allegations against him prove true. Ironically, NFL officials held a mandatory seminar with Packers players bringing them up to speed with the league’s expectations for proper conduct just days before Barnett’s arrest. Either the NFL’s message was lost with Barnett, as his victim’s story seems to purport, or his victim’s story is false or exaggerated (see Duke Lacrosse case). Let’s hope, as Packers fans, that the latter is true.
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http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/story/2007/6/19/1913/70660

How You Conduct Yourself

The best guess at this point is that LB Nick Barnett pushed a woman while at Club Wet. Unfortunately this means that the Packers broke their collective cherry on the PFT Turd Watch. However the real problem...is that Barnett might find himself in trouble with the NFL's updated personal conduct policy adopted recently after the string of high profile crimes and misdemeanors by players finally became too embarrassing for words. Does this new policy really cause problems for Barnett? Unfortunately we will have to wait to find out the answer to that question. If Barnett avoids a conviction, then he should not face any discipline for his arrest....So Barnett have to wait for his case to go through the Outagamie County court and see whether he faces additional punishment from the NFL for conduct detrimental to the league's image. One of the biggest changes was that discipline could occur even if the player isn't convicted. So even if he avoids punishment for this single incident, a repeat arrest alone might trigger a fine and suspension. He isn't talking and the arrest report isn't available, so developing....
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http://packers.scout.com/2/654241.html

Walking a fine line

Nick Barnett should be disciplined by the NFL for his recent actions at a nightclub, but PackerReport.com correspondent Dylan Tomlinson says that there is a big difference between the incident involving the Packers linebacker and other thugs around the league. The NFL is filled with unsavory characters. Nick Barnett is not one of them. It's impossible to turn on ESPN without hearing about the latest exploits of Adam "Pacman" Jones, Tank Johnson, Michael Vick, Chris Henry, or the majority of the Cincinnati Bengals' roster. NFL players have gotten in enough trouble that popular website Pro Football Talk actually runs a "Turd Watch" to chart all of the arrests. Fans can even keep track of how their favorite teams have fared during the off-season.

One of the best things Roger Goodell has done since taking over as commissioner is to crack down on the off-the-field antics of NFL players. Previously, if players were arrested, the only discipline the players faced was through the legal system. Now, under Goodell's guidance players know that if they get in trouble, they face a suspension. For the most part, Packers players have done a pretty good job of staying out of trouble, but that changed a little more than a week ago when Barnett was arrested after allegedly shoving a woman at an Appleton nightclub. I'm not going to use this column space to apologize for Barnett. If there's any player on the Packers' roster who should know how to act in a nightclub, it's Barnett, who used to own Club 56 in Green Bay.

If Barnett pushed or shoved a woman, he is in the wrong, even if he was provoked. Various reports state that Barnett had a drink thrown in his face before the incident. Even if that's true, Barnett knows enough to walk away. Goodell is absolutely right to hold NFL players to a higher standard of behavior than the previous regime. Under Paul Tagliabue's direction, players could seemingly do whatever they wanted and as long as they didn't fail a drug test, they would rarely face suspensions. Former Packers running back Ahman Green was arrested multiple times for domestic disturbances, but never was in danger of facing a suspension like Barnett. Perhaps the reason Barnett's arrest is garnering so much attention is that he is one of the last players in that locker room that one would expect to be in this type of altercation. When Green was arrested a few years ago, nobody was surprised. When a player like former Packer Ahmad Carroll was arrested a few months ago, nobody was surprised. But Barnett is one of the most friendly and affable players in the Packers' locker room, so when his name is at the top of a police report, everybody is pretty shocked. While Goodell should be applauded for cracking down on something that has been a problem for some time, let's hope that the NFL crackdown is able to separate the major and the minor offenses. Barnett made a mistake, but he doesn't deserve to be forever lumped with the Pacman Joneses and Tank Johnsons of the NFL. Barnett's actions may merit discipline, but a suspension would seem more than a bit excessive.
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http://packers.scout.com/2/653916.html

Stupid move! Nick Barnett has no good reason for nightclub incident

Nick Barnett's arrest last week, a day before Brett Favre's charity softball game certainly makes me wonder if NFL players really wear helmets when they play. Their actions off the field suggest their noggins have been kicked more than a football during punting practice.
After what has happened to Pacman Jones for the past two years, and what happens monthly with the Cincinnati Bengals, why in the name of Vince Lombardi would Barnett put himself in the position he found himself in? Barnett was arrested for allegedly pushing a woman to the ground. I wasn't there, don't know what led to this, but you know how it is in clubs with multi-million dollar players. People develop ”liquid“ courage and begin talking smack. The player, at first, doesn't do much, but then can't help himself and goes ”Charles Barkley“ on the person. (Barkley once threw a person through a window at a bar during his playing days).

Now we have a problem. Barnett just signed a $35 million extension in April, and he's Nick ”freaking“ Barnett! This is Wisconsin, where every person with a pulse knows every Packer, front and back. There's nothing Barnett can do, but get in trouble, so walk away. It's the only answer. But Barnett, a fiery competitior on the field, forgets he's not on the field and treats a woman like she's Thomas Jones. Packers coach Mike McCarthy talked with his team about being the spotlight and how to handle it. ”This is part of the lifestyle of being an NFL player, and you've got to be smart out there,“ McCarthy said. ”First of all, you need to avoid that type of environment, and when you're in that type of situation, you need to diffuse it. We'll continue to talk about those things with our football team.“

Barnett's actions are inexcusable. He's a Packer in Wisconsin. You have to watch yourself when in public. In an interview with the Wisconsin State Journal, quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who was at the same nightclub as Barnett, said he drives when he goes out, mainly because it prevents him from drinking a lot. He knows he's driving and can't over-indulge. Furthermore, Rodgers said he knows his position. He's the heir apparent to Favre and a legal incident like this can only go bad. He's smart and realizes the life he's in he can't be dumb and get away with it. Too bad there aren't more players like Rodgers, who think before they drink. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made it clear — off-field legal problems will not be tolerated in the NFL — no exceptions. Yet, Pacman and the Bengals continually show their stupidity by getting in trouble. So does Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick and Chicago's Tank Johnson.

With the amount of exposure these players have gotten, how can Barnett allow this to occur? All you have to do is watch TV or read a newspaper, almost daily, and there's an NFL player in trouble. There's plenty of examples as to why it's not good to get into trouble. You're making millions of dollars, your future is secure, but you can't exercise proper judgment when in a club with a few over-served patrons? Barnett and others can't reason with me in these situations. They are fortunate to have the income they have. What would they do on an average person's salary, working 9 to 5? Goodell is serious about erasing the troublemeakers in the NFL, and nobody gets a free pass. The Packers also are on the same page. ”Obviously, we're not looking for our players or any employee of the Green Bay Packers to be involved in those types of situations,“ McCarthy said. No team is, but once players leave the team headquarters, they're on their own. Unfortunately, some have no idea how to behave like a responsible adult. Barnett is now in that group.
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http://packers.scout.com/2/652738.html

Push comes to shove. Barnett pushed female acquaintance to ground, police say.

A day after he was arrested for a physical altercation with a woman, linebacker Nick Barnett did not participate in the Packers' Organized Team Activities practice in Green Bay. Barnett was not available to the media today at Lambeau Field, but the Packers have notified the National Football League of the incident. "We have notified the league, and we have not heard back from them," said Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "They have been notified." Meanwhile, Appleton police issued more details of Barnett's arrest, which occurred about 2 a.m. on Sunday morning at the Wet, an Appleton, Wis., nightclub. According to police, Barnett got into a fight with a female acquaintance inside Wet and pushed her to the floor. A bar owner got involved and the owner's argument with Barnett spilled out to the street, where police officers became involved. "When the officers initially asked Mr. Barnett for some identification, he was uncooperative and very argumentative and refused to provide ID, refused to give a name or anything of that nature. He subsequently did provide identification but continued to argue with the officers," Sergeant Pat DeWall, Appleton Police Department, said. Officers arrested Barnett. He was booked into the Outagamie County Jail and was released after posting a $500 bond.

Police say they plan to pursue a misdemeanor charge of battery against Barnett, but it's up to the Outagamie County district attorney to decide if Barnett will face charges. The district attorney's office said there is no word when or if Barnett is expected in court. The woman Barnett, 26, allegedly pushed was not injured. Many of Barnett's teammates declined to comment on the incident after practice today....

RashanGary
06-23-2007, 11:11 AM
If some chick was right up on me throwing her drink, I'd reach over and push her away too. Sometimes it's hard to gauge just how easy it is to push a girl over. You think you're just getting her the hell away from you and she ends up floundering on the ground like you gave her an uppercut or something. I've been there. Women are weaker than they look. The problem is, if a woman wants to throw liquor and ice on you there is no way to win. Either you get wet and maybe catch an ice cube in the ear and walk away with no real harm or you push her away and get arrested. It was a no win for Barnett but at the same time, people should be smart enough to stay away when they have so much on the line.

RashanGary
06-23-2007, 11:14 AM
The way things sound, I give Barnett no real moral blame for what he did to that idiot, but as far as risking suspensions and things like that, he should know who he is and how to act even if something stirs up.

Joemailman
06-23-2007, 01:01 PM
I think any charge, if there is one, brought against Barnett will be less than battery. No suspension.

Brandon494
06-23-2007, 01:30 PM
Barnett’s arrest came exactly one week shy of the 15-year anniversary of another nightclub incident involving a then untested Packers prospect. In the wee hours of Wednesday, June 24, 1992, Packers backup quarterback Brett Favre, recently acquired via trade from the Atlanta Falcons, was arrested alongside second-year nose tackle Esera Tuaolo after a fight in a Hattiesburg, Mississippi nightclub. According to the Capital Times’ account, “Favre was charged with being drunk in public, disorderly conduct and profanity....”Favre’s now wife, but then 23-year-old girlfriend, Deanna Tynes, was arrested for “profanity and interfering with a police officer.” Also arrested for interfering with a police officer was Favre’s younger brother Jeffery, then 18.

Isnt Esera Tuaolo the gay guy? Not a bash just wondering.[/quote]

BallHawk
06-23-2007, 02:32 PM
10,000 fine and no suspension.

TopHat
06-23-2007, 04:15 PM
Barnett’s arrest came exactly one week shy of the 15-year anniversary of another nightclub incident involving a then untested Packers prospect. In the wee hours of Wednesday, June 24, 1992, Packers backup quarterback Brett Favre, recently acquired via trade from the Atlanta Falcons, was arrested alongside second-year nose tackle Esera Tuaolo after a fight in a Hattiesburg, Mississippi nightclub. According to the Capital Times’ account, “Favre was charged with being drunk in public, disorderly conduct and profanity....”Favre’s now wife, but then 23-year-old girlfriend, Deanna Tynes, was arrested for “profanity and interfering with a police officer.” Also arrested for interfering with a police officer was Favre’s younger brother Jeffery, then 18.

Isnt Esera Tuaolo the gay guy? Not a bash just wondering.



Correct.

Carolina_Packer
06-23-2007, 05:24 PM
One thing is for sure. These guys make so much $$, they should all have someone watching their back and they should step in if someone gets too close. I'd rather bail out a body guard, and Nick's got plenty of money for that.

packinpatland
06-23-2007, 05:33 PM
If some chick was right up on me throwing her drink, I'd reach over and push her away too. Sometimes it's hard to gauge just how easy it is to push a girl over. You think you're just getting her the hell away from you and she ends up floundering on the ground like you gave her an uppercut or something. I've been there. Women are weaker than they look. The problem is, if a woman wants to throw liquor and ice on you there is no way to win. Either you get wet and maybe catch an ice cube in the ear and walk away with no real harm or you push her away and get arrested. It was a no win for Barnett but at the same time, people should be smart enough to stay away when they have so much on the line.


What you say????????

4and12to12and4
06-23-2007, 05:38 PM
This story is weak, and will go away SOON. Barnett is a great LB and he will have his best year this year barring injury. This is his 1st season in which the defensive scheme is the same as the year before, and I believe he will be a monster out there. This silly little skirmish is nothing, and I couldn't care less about it. I can't wait for September!!!!

MJZiggy
06-23-2007, 06:33 PM
If some chick was right up on me throwing her drink, I'd reach over and push her away too. Sometimes it's hard to gauge just how easy it is to push a girl over. You think you're just getting her the hell away from you and she ends up floundering on the ground like you gave her an uppercut or something. I've been there. Women are weaker than they look. The problem is, if a woman wants to throw liquor and ice on you there is no way to win. Either you get wet and maybe catch an ice cube in the ear and walk away with no real harm or you push her away and get arrested. It was a no win for Barnett but at the same time, people should be smart enough to stay away when they have so much on the line.


What you say????????

JH, Ummmm...you ARE coming to the game on Oct. 7, aren't you?

Rastak
06-23-2007, 07:27 PM
If some chick was right up on me throwing her drink, I'd reach over and push her away too. Sometimes it's hard to gauge just how easy it is to push a girl over. You think you're just getting her the hell away from you and she ends up floundering on the ground like you gave her an uppercut or something. I've been there. Women are weaker than they look. The problem is, if a woman wants to throw liquor and ice on you there is no way to win. Either you get wet and maybe catch an ice cube in the ear and walk away with no real harm or you push her away and get arrested. It was a no win for Barnett but at the same time, people should be smart enough to stay away when they have so much on the line.


What you say????????


Ummm, Justin/Greg/Nick has an interesting view of the fairer sex......

CaliforniaCheez
06-23-2007, 08:17 PM
Under the law women are permitted to get in your face and bitch, nag, and harrass you.

You just have to take it.

If you want to leave a business or residence and they stand in the door "wanting to talk" it is a crime to move them out of the way.

I'm not in favor using women as punching bags but there has to be some limit to women harrassing a guy with passive aggressive techniques.

How many times have you seen a guy who tried to go to the men's to avoid a confrontation with a female and she is blocking the door so the guy can't go in to get away from her?

There has to be a law against women doing this!! It is very one sided and all the laws are against men and favor women in these scenarios. The cops can't be called out for all of them.

Rastak
06-23-2007, 08:25 PM
Under the law women are permitted to get in your face and bitch, nag, and harrass you.

You just have to take it.

If you want to leave a business or residence and they stand in the door "wanting to talk" it is a crime to move them out of the way.

I'm not in favor using women as punching bags but there has to be some limit to women harrassing a guy with passive aggressive techniques.

How many times have you seen a guy who tried to go to the men's to avoid a confrontation with a female and she is blocking the door so the guy can't go in to get away from her?

There has to be a law against women doing this!! It is very one sided and all the laws are against men and favor women in these scenarios. The cops can't be called out for all of them.


I actually agree with what you are saying.....I'm all for equality among the sexes. I do believe there is a huge double standard in regards to male - female interaction. But back on topic, if it were happen to me in my present job I may react very much like Barrnet. However, knowing all he knows and his very public job, much better to just report the incident and let management handle it. Doesn't the dude realize that he and us are a whole different deal? His stuff is front page news? Shouldn't take Einstein to figure that out.

GrnBay007
06-23-2007, 09:39 PM
If you want to leave a business or residence and they stand in the door "wanting to talk" it is a crime to move them out of the way.



Hey, just like with good fire escape plans....you should have an alternate route/means of escape. It's not our fault you're not thinking ahead. :P :wink:

RashanGary
06-23-2007, 09:46 PM
I'm just sayin, a girl was attacking me once and I pushed her (just to get her off of me) and she fell down. I was like whoa..... I barely pushed you. Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

HarveyWallbangers
06-23-2007, 10:04 PM
None of us know what really happened, so I prefer to wait until we know something. What he did may have been tame (she could be gold-digging, she could have been drunk and mostly fell over by herself) or it could have been battery on a woman (which would be terrible). We'll have to see what the DA thinks.

MJZiggy
06-23-2007, 11:36 PM
Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

Now you're thinking clearly.

Harlan Huckleby
06-24-2007, 08:16 AM
It's perfect that Barnett got a drink thrown at him at a place called "Club Wet".

When I first heard that Barnett was in trouble, I scanned a newspaper article to get to the part about the knife fight, or the report from the emergency room on the guy that Barnett pulverized.

A friend of Barnett throws a drink in his face and he pushes her? This is the story!? Back in school, we had better stories than this every recess.

Packnut
06-24-2007, 10:05 AM
If you want to leave a business or residence and they stand in the door "wanting to talk" it is a crime to move them out of the way.



Hey, just like with good fire escape plans....you should have an alternate route/means of escape. It's not our fault you're not thinking ahead. :P :wink:


Now that should be post of the year! Laughed my ass off :lol:

Joemailman
06-24-2007, 10:28 AM
It's perfect that Barnett got a drink thrown at him at a place called "Club Wet".

When I first heard that Barnett was in trouble, I scanned a newspaper article to get to the part about the knife fight, or the report from the emergency room on the guy that Barnett pulverized.

A friend of Barnett throws a drink in his face and he pushes her? This is the story!? Back in school, we had better stories than this every recess.

Poor Nick. He probably goes to Club Wet expecting a women's t-shirt contest, and ends up getting arrested. And he's the only one who got wet.

KYPack
06-24-2007, 10:48 AM
I'm just sayin, a girl was attacking me once and I pushed her (just to get her off of me) and she fell down. I was like whoa..... I barely pushed you. Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

Justin, were I you, I'd use a GREAT deal of care when crafting a post on the topic of females, the treatment of women, etc.

There is some pretty messy history regarding your posts on those topics, eh?

packinpatland
06-24-2007, 10:59 AM
I'm just sayin, a girl was attacking me once and I pushed her (just to get her off of me) and she fell down. I was like whoa..... I barely pushed you. Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

Justin, were I you, I'd use a GREAT deal of care when crafting a post on the topic of females, the treatment of women, etc.

There is some pretty messy history regarding your posts on those topics, eh?

That's right JH, be ready to defend yourself!!!!! :duel:

GrnBay007
06-24-2007, 12:27 PM
I'm just sayin, a girl was attacking me once and I pushed her (just to get her off of me) and she fell down. I was like whoa..... I barely pushed you. Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

Justin, were I you, I'd use a GREAT deal of care when crafting a post on the topic of females, the treatment of women, etc.

There is some pretty messy history regarding your posts on those topics, eh?

Oh really? :oops: :P

memories.............

Bretsky
06-24-2007, 12:32 PM
In general chicks dig me due to my charm; but if one threw a drink at me, why not throw one back at them. I'm all for Equal Rights !! :soap:


And Maybe I'd start a Wet T contest !! :knll:

GrnBay007
06-24-2007, 12:53 PM
In general chicks dig me due to my charm; but if one threw a drink at me, why not throw one back at them. I'm all for Equal Rights !! :soap:




B, after reading all this aren't you glad that little "incident" your wife had with Brett didn't escalate into something ugly? :wink:

Bretsky
06-24-2007, 12:57 PM
In general chicks dig me due to my charm; but if one threw a drink at me, why not throw one back at them. I'm all for Equal Rights !! :soap:




B, after reading all this aren't you glad that little "incident" your wife had with Brett didn't escalate into something ugly? :wink:


Yes, that would have been terrilbe; of coursre if she had got Brett Favre suspended I'm not sure what would have happened to the marriage....bad karma :lol: :lol:

Rastak
06-24-2007, 05:40 PM
I'm just sayin, a girl was attacking me once and I pushed her (just to get her off of me) and she fell down. I was like whoa..... I barely pushed you. Maybe I shouldn't use on experience for a sweeping judgement on all women ;)

Justin, were I you, I'd use a GREAT deal of care when crafting a post on the topic of females, the treatment of women, etc.

There is some pretty messy history regarding your posts on those topics, eh?


What he said....

TopHat
06-25-2007, 07:38 AM
10,000 fine and no suspension.

MMM, Monday...this is getting interesting, like Greek theater, a perfectly predictable story being played out to a "T", especially who decides to prosecute.

Fritz
06-25-2007, 08:39 AM
If a woman threw a drink at you and you decided to throw one back at her, and you aimed for her chest, would that be considered a more serious offense than throwing a drink in her face?

Is this the kind of stuff Roger Goodell sits around and thinks about?

mraynrand
06-25-2007, 09:01 AM
I'm inclined to believe fans are causing a lot of the problems. Sometimes players either want to be left alone or, at the bare minimum, be treated with some dignity. When you're at the game, just about anything goes as far as trying to get autographs etc., but in public players should be treated like anyone else, respecting their space.

I don't know if it was the same bar, but my brother and I would run into Barkley at this bar on the Marquette campus after Bucks games and the guy was awesome. During games, I hated his guts, but afterwards, he's just a nice guy tossing back a few. Buy him a couple of beers and the guy would sit there and talk hoops for hours. But almost every goddamn time there would be these spindly ass jerks trying to provoke him. With some of the shit they pulled, I'm surprised he didn't beat the crap out of more of them.

The Leaper
06-25-2007, 12:58 PM
Honestly...if the NFL cracks down and penalizes every player that gets in a "he-said, she-said" pushing match, then it will become difficult for teams to field a full roster at some point in the future. Hell, every NFL team will suddenly have a new "department"...one that actively seeks to get future opponents in trouble by sending hot women out to clubs to pick fights with certain players.

While Barnett was stupid, this is clearly not going to be dealt with by the NFL. If it happens again, then they likely will take a stronger look at it. He wasn't toting a gun...he wasn't at a dog fight...Barnett just needs to make better decisions in the future.

MJZiggy
06-25-2007, 01:09 PM
I don't know, you can talk about his behavior all you want, but I also believe that while a man shouldn't push a woman, she clearly was out of bounds here as well. I don't expect to be pushed around by a man, but I'd never harrass one all night long either. To me the rules of decorum work both ways. He was out of bounds, but then again, so was she, and, quite frankly, the bar owner was there and obviously aware of the situation. She couldn't have stepped in? Why should he have had to deal with this woman on his own? I've had plenty of times in clubs where security has asked me if someone was bothering me, she was obviously bothering him. Why didn't they ask?

Merlin
06-25-2007, 01:33 PM
What I find interesting is that based on the stories posted to go along with the poll, there are 4 people who actually think he should be arrested or sanctioned but yet I only count one person who posted saying he should be fined (I assume by the NFL). Barnett haters scared to post? It's obvious that's who they are because no way does this get an indictment based on the articles.

The Leaper
06-25-2007, 03:17 PM
I'm not sure...

Perhaps Wist is more hopeful for Barnett now that one of his tackles has actually put someone on their ass.

:P

TopHat
06-25-2007, 05:23 PM
UPDATE FORTHCOMING.

TopHat
06-25-2007, 07:08 PM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/PKR01/70625062/1989

Barnett police report isn't done yet.

Appleton police said today they hope to send their report on the bar incident involving Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett to the Outagamie County district attorney’s office by the middle of the week. Earlier, police said the report on allegations that Barnett shoved a woman to the floor at a downtown nightclub would be ready today. The incident occurred at Wet, 344 W. College Ave. Barnett, 26, was booked into the Outagamie County Jail on a misdemeanor battery charge after the June 17 incident, and later released on a $500 bond. Sgt. Pat DeWall said officers have more interviews to do after “something came up.” “It’s like anything else,” he said. “That’s like one of how many other things they are working on.” District Attorney Carrie Schneider said last week that it could take a week or more for her office to review the reports and make a decision on issuing charges once she gets the reports from police

packinpatland
06-25-2007, 07:19 PM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/PKR01/70625062/1989

Barnett police report isn't done yet.

Appleton police said today they hope to send their report on the bar incident involving Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett to the Outagamie County district attorney’s office by the middle of the week. Earlier, police said the report on allegations that Barnett shoved a woman to the floor at a downtown nightclub would be ready today. The incident occurred at Wet, 344 W. College Ave. Barnett, 26, was booked into the Outagamie County Jail on a misdemeanor battery charge after the June 17 incident, and later released on a $500 bond. Sgt. Pat DeWall said officers have more interviews to do after “something came up.” “It’s like anything else,” he said. “That’s like one of how many other things they are working on.” District Attorney Carrie Schneider said last week that it could take a week or more for her office to review the reports and make a decision on issuing charges once she gets the reports from police

I hope they are taking their time because they want to make sure they get everything right. If not, they sound alittle 'Barney Fife-like'. :eyes:

TopHat
06-26-2007, 04:32 PM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/PKR01/70626126/1989

Police report on Barnett case goes to DA

Police have sent to the Outagamie County district attorney their report about an incident in which Green Bay Packers linebacker Nick Barnett allegedly shoved a woman at a downtown nightclub. Police Sgt. Pat DeWall said the report about Barnett’s June 17 arrest was taken to the district attorney’s office this morning. District Attorney Carrie Schneider said last week she would review the report as soon as possible, but said it could take as long as a week before her office makes a decision on charges. Barnett, 26, was jailed on a misdemeanor battery charge and released on a $500 bond after the incident early June 17 at Wet, a nightclub at 344 W. College Ave.

TopHat
06-27-2007, 09:29 AM
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/PKR07/706270499/1057/PKR&located=RSS

Barnett should've walked away. Nick Barnett should have known better.

The Green Bay Packers linebacker was arrested last week following an altercation at an Appleton nightclub, and Outagamie County district attorney Carrie Schneider is expected to decide soon whether to formally charge the Packers' linebacker. The incident appears relatively minor, as far as barroom misbehavior goes. Barnett was arrested on a misdemeanor battery offense for allegedly shoving a woman. There is no excuse or justification for Barnett's alleged actions. However, it should be noted some bar patrons treated Barnett rudely, according to nightclub owner Kathie Peotter. One woman threw a drink at Barnett, and another fan grabbed Barnett's arm and asked for an autograph.

Beyond proving that nothing good happens to a professional athlete at a bar at 2 in the morning, the incident shows Barnett has a lot to learn. As the Packers' starting middle linebacker for the past four years, Barnett has established himself as a leader of the defense. His efforts were rewarded when the Packers signed Barnett to a six-year, $35 million contract extension in April. But with fame and fortune come responsibility, and it's high time Barnett, 26, begins acting like a leader off the field. If Barnett can't handle himself in an acceptable manner in street clothes, then his considerable efforts in uniform will be rendered meaningless. No one is saying Barnett has to be a choirboy. But a minimum standard of acceptable behavior would be to keep his name off the police blotter. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is cracking down on players who wind up on the wrong side of the law, and Barnett could face a suspension. Barnett has to know his off-field behavior has consequences that can adversely affect his teammates.

Barnett and other pro athletes deserve some sympathy when it comes to dealing with obnoxious people, particularly in a bar. Players should be allowed to spend a night out on the town without being hassled by belligerent fans. However, Barnett's experience as a nightclub owner in Green Bay should have taught him knuckleheads inevitably will surface. What Barnett hasn't learned is how to respond to bad behavior. A prominent football player simply must walk away from potential trouble. An early-morning nightclub confrontation is no place to prove your toughness or defend your honor. Barnett has ample opportunities to do that every week during the season. Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he has stressed to his players the importance of avoiding problems in public places. "(This is) part of the lifestyle of being an NFL football player, and they've got to be smart out there," McCarthy said. "First of all, you need to avoid that type of environment, and when you're in that type of situation, you need to defuse it. We'll continue to talk about those things with our football team...."

retailguy
06-27-2007, 11:18 AM
What I find interesting is that based on the stories posted to go along with the poll, there are 4 people who actually think he should be arrested or sanctioned but yet I only count one person who posted saying he should be fined (I assume by the NFL). Barnett haters scared to post? It's obvious that's who they are because no way does this get an indictment based on the articles.

How about we rename him "Pacman" Barnett? :wink:

Merlin
06-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Apples to Apples to some I guess.

TopHat
06-28-2007, 12:46 PM
How should the NFL punish Nick Barnett for his arrest?

Suspend him 13.6 percent
Fine him 22.9 percent
Depends on the verdict 48.6 percent
It shouldn't 14.9 percent


Editorial: The bar owner was right, "...Blown way out of proportion". Yet, no one had the common sense at 2 am before the Appleton charity softball game to keep their cool and nip it at the bud." THESE DAYS TYPICAL FOOLISHNESS INCLUDING "WHO" DECIDING THE CASE WHO SHOULD REMEMBER HOW COME THE PACK WERE IN TOWN!

woodbuck27
06-28-2007, 01:26 PM
If some chick was right up on me throwing her drink, I'd reach over and push her away too. Sometimes it's hard to gauge just how easy it is to push a girl over. You think you're just getting her the hell away from you and she ends up floundering on the ground like you gave her an uppercut or something. I've been there. Women are weaker than they look. The problem is, if a woman wants to throw liquor and ice on you there is no way to win. Either you get wet and maybe catch an ice cube in the ear and walk away with no real harm or you push her away and get arrested. It was a no win for Barnett but at the same time, people should be smart enough to stay away when they have so much on the line.

It's obvious that the situation could have been better handled by Nick.

He might have just offered her another drink. . .Ehh. :)

Merlin
06-29-2007, 10:03 AM
I agree the situation should have been handled better by Barnett. But hindsight is always 20/20. We were all young once, some of us still are. If we all haad a dollar for everything we "should" have done, I would think we would all be rich by now.

TopHat
06-29-2007, 07:33 PM
I agree the situation should have been handled better by Barnett. But hindsight is always 20/20. We were all young once, some of us still are. If we all haad a dollar for everything we "should" have done, I would think we would all be rich by now.


I agree. In my tours/travels, I dealt with similar explosive "blown way out of proportion" social situations involving petty "celebrity mad" low lifes who do not respect your privacy. For pete's sake, people have got to learn to get along and to go along,but one needs to know when to walk away from unpleasant, miserable low lifes..

Harlan Huckleby
06-30-2007, 07:14 AM
We were all young once, some of us still are.

I don't know, if you throw a drink in an old man's face, he might push you too.

TopHat
06-30-2007, 10:54 AM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070630/GPG0101/706300537/1989

Special prosecutor to take over Barnett case. District attorney's husband may be a witness in case.

In the latest twist to the Nick Barnett bar-fight case, the husband of Outagamie County District Attorney Carrie Schneider could be a potential witness. Because of that, Schneider said Friday she would appoint a special prosecutor to handle a possible battery case against Barnett, a linebacker for the Green Bay Packers. Barnett was arrested early June 17 outside Wet, a downtown Appleton nightspot, after allegedly pushing a female patron inside the bar during an argument. Barnett, 26, was arrested and booked into the Outagamie County Jail on a battery charge. He was released an hour later after posting a $500 cash bond.

Schneider said Friday that her husband, Kory, works for an area dealership that has sold cars to Barnett. In addition, her husband played with Barnett in a June 18 charity softball game at Fox Cities Stadium. "And, at that game, my husband overheard Mr. Barnett on a phone making a comment about the case, and depending on what his defense in the case is going to be, that could be an issue," said Schneider. With her husband as a potential witness and his past dealings at the dealership, Schneider said the potential conflicts make it necessary to seek a special prosecutor. Schneider said she hopes to know who that will be by Monday.

According to police, Barnett was involved in an altercation at Wet, 344 W. College Ave., around 2 a.m. Barnett allegedly pushed a woman to the floor. She was not injured. An argument then ensued outside the Division Street side of the establishment between Barnett and a woman identified as one of the co-owners of the club. That incident drew the attention of police, who then learned of the incident inside the club and made the arrest. he club's co-owner, Kathy Peotter, told The Post-Crescent on June 20 that the incident has been "blown out of proportion." She said she was not arguing with Barnett outside of the club, and that a woman threw a drink at Barnett prior to the alleged shoving incident.


Note: Apparently the co-owner feels partly responsible, i.e. guilt, for the police getting involved, i.e. her statement saying "...Blown way out of proportion."

Quote: Here is what a former Wisconsin resident said, "Here I go again, only because this subject does not go away. The new and official Wisconsin-state theme song: Its all small town psychology after all...As a former Wisconsinite who is now on the outside looking in on you portly fish- THIS IS ALL VERY EMBARRASSING AND RIDICULOUS. I am going to continue to post these outside observations until this subject goes away. This DA is now mentally torturing Barnett while pretending to be important. Do you have any real crime issues that need attention in the Valley?"

MadtownPacker
06-30-2007, 11:58 AM
We were all young once, some of us still are.

I don't know, if you throw a drink in an old man's face, he might push you too.Maybe some old MAN might but a panocha like you wouldn't do anything but tuck your lil blue tail between your legs and scamper away.

Harlan Huckleby
06-30-2007, 12:38 PM
Oh no. I ain't afraid to fight a woman. Well, as long as she doesn't know karate, or have hairy arm pits.

RashanGary
06-30-2007, 12:46 PM
I remember one time, I was in a gay bar with a girl that I knew (her mom was a gay) anyway, there were a bunch of big, butch lesbians. I was 21, probably 155 lbs at the time. They were big girls, probalby 220 or so with their sleeves rolled up and what not. They were all arm wrestling. I was like "I'll arm wrestle" I honestly thought I was going to lose.

I ended up taking down the whole bar of lesbians. They were giving me dirty "man hater" looks. I was still proud :) My friend never invited me back :)

GrnBay007
06-30-2007, 01:26 PM
I ended up taking down the whole bar of lesbians.

This sentence alone made me laugh out loud.

retailguy
06-30-2007, 07:09 PM
I ended up taking down the whole bar of lesbians.

This sentence alone made me laugh out loud.

Yes, kind of gives you a whole new perspective, doesn't it? :wink:

RashanGary
06-30-2007, 07:40 PM
Yeah, it was my proudest moment. :)

TopHat
07-01-2007, 09:57 AM
8-)

TopHat
07-01-2007, 08:25 PM
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/packers/

'Special Prosecutor' Appointed in Packers' Nick Barnett Case

The battery case against Packers' linebacker Nick Barnett was turned over to Outagamie County District Attorney Carrie Schneider this past Tuesday, but it didn't stay in her hands for long. According to a report by Dan Wilson of PackersNews.com, Schneider had to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the case because her husband, Kory, is a potential witness. Apparently, Kory Schneider participated in Brett Favre's charity softball game on June 18th; an event that Nick Barnett did briefly attend, only hours after being released from jail. During the very limited time Barnett was in attendance, Kory overheard a phone conversation in which the arrest was brought up. "And, at that game, my husband overheard Mr. Barnett on a phone making a comment about the case, and depending on what his defense in the case is going to be, that could be an issue," said Carrie Schneider. In addition to hearing that phone conversation, Kory has sold several cars to Barnett in the past. Those factors make it an obvious risk for the prosecution, who appear to have a very weak case as it is.

packinpatland
07-01-2007, 08:37 PM
I ended up taking down the whole bar of lesbians.

This sentence alone made me laugh out loud.

I just got up off the floor!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

TopHat
07-02-2007, 09:33 PM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070702/GPG0101/70702127/1989

Door prosecutor to take over Barnett case

The Door County District Attorney has agreed to accept an appointment as a special prosecutor in the Nick Barnett case. Outagamie County District Attotney Carrie Schneider said Monday that Door County District Attorney. Ray Pelrine would take over the case. Schneider said Friday she was stepping down from the case because of a conflict of interest.
Green Bay Packers linebacker Barnett, 26, is facing a possible criminal charge arising from a June 17 altercation in an Appleton bar.
Schneider said her husband is a manager with a local vehicle dealership where Barnett has made purchases. Also, her husband inadvertently overheard a cell phone conversation Barnett had with someone later that day about the incident. Schneider said she would forward her reports to Door County and they will be in Pelrine’s hands on Thursday.

oregonpackfan
07-02-2007, 11:05 PM
I ended up taking down the whole bar of lesbians.

This sentence alone made me laugh out loud.

Justin,

Your mother must be so proud! :lol: