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lou3000
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: DEs
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I think an interesting battle to watch will be for the "depth" roster spots on the defensive line. Will there be a 4th DE? What do you think Montgomery, Hunter, and Birdine bring to the table? Could the team cut them all and play Corey Williams or Johnny Jolly at DE on occasion?
TOM PELISSERO: ... And off we go.
The Packers have flexibility with guys that can play multiple positions along the d-line. However, I'd be surprised if they didn't keep a fourth DE, especially with one starting end (Cullen Jenkins) shifting inside situationally. Out of that group, I think Michael Montgomery makes it.
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packersince55
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Packer Record
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Thank you, Tom, for taking our questions!
Please give your grade of the Packers efforts to improve the team this off-season, through free agency and the draft.
TOM PELISSERO: Well, when you lose two starters and add one backup, I don't think that can be better than a C. The draft is difficult to grade right now, especially with the first-round pick standing on the sidelines for most of the minicamps and OTAs. So, we'll stick with a C.
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pdberg
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Beat reporting
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Tom, now that you have had some time covering the Packers, what would you say are some of the biggest differences, (positive and negative), you have noticed between this organization and the previous team you covered, the Minnesota Vikings?
TOM PELISSERO: I covered the Vikings during the Mike Tice era, so it's safe to say the operations there were unique. You had a coach who would drift on and off the record while speaking with reporters during practice or late at night in the media room; you had a superstar (Randy Moss) who held one press conference in two years; and you had an absentee owner (Red McCombs) who was desperately trying to unload the team. Not that any of that really falls into the categories of positive or negative, but it was a unique situation. The biggest difference so far probably is access. I feel that's the case in every NFL city as teams try to adjust to the blog age.
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Yoop
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject:
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For me the games are won by the big guys up front on offense and defense.
Good lines on both sides of the ball make all of the "skilled" players better.
On both sides of the ball what players do you see on the lines perhaps pushing for a starting job that have not had one before if any?
Also Poppinga got a lot of negative fan reaction to his coverage problems in the beginning of the year, In his work this off season from what you may have saw does he look better, almost a full 2 years removed from ACL surgery and having had a full year playing SSLB?
TOM PELISSERO: I think the lines are pretty well set, with the exception of Corey Williams vs. Justin Harrell for the second defensive tackle spot. As I wrote in the blog last week, though, there's going to be an even heavier rotation of players at the d-tackle spots than a year ago. No backup offensive linemen look like they'll push the veterans or last year's rookies.
Brady Poppinga's biggest issue a year ago was coverage, and from what I saw this offseason I think it'll be the case again. I'm not sure if it's an awareness thing or just a lack of short-range quickness and speed, but he simply doesn't look comfortable anytime he has to go into or come out of a backpedal. I don't think that has anything to do with his knee, though.
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PackRuss
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: Defensive Backs Potential
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Hello Tom,
I have a question concerning what staffs look for in defensive backs? Case in point Devon Hester of the Bears. Do teams look heavily at DB's that can fill the special teams for explosiveness, or even the offense, or is this simply a case of player's showing extra in training camp and getting the chance? Are DB's drafted, and it's assumed they will be in the mix to run back punts or kicks? Did the Packers see something similar in Will Blackmon before he got hurt. There was a player drafted last year(the name eludes me) was thought to be this guy, but had a fumbling problem, by the way saw an article & he is now in the Canadian Football League fumbling returns still!!
TOM PELISSERO: I like Will Blackmon a lot, but I'm a probably biased, because I watched him play four years for my alma mater. Coming out of Boston College, I would have put Blackmon in the same category as Devin Hester as far as elusiveness and vision, but he's been brittle since he got to Green Bay.
Certainly, teams try to project which college players -- specifically WRs and DBs -- will make the biggest impact on returns in the NFL. That's how Ted Ginn Jr., all 5-11 of him, goes in the top 10.
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dcherry
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: Offensive Scheme
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Thanks for the time Tom,
Have you seen any indications of the Packers refining or adding to their offense now that we are in MM's second year? In particular, have there been evident adjustments in the red zone?
TOM PELISSERO: Without getting too deep into strategy, it seems tight ends will have more responsibilities, and consequently the fullback could be used less. There also have been allusions to putting the quarterback on the move more often.
The red-zone package will be interesting to watch in training camp, because there are a number of backs -- most notable, rookies DeShawn Wynn and Corey White -- whose best chance to earn a roster spot will be as goal-line specialists. The Packers need somebody who can pound down there and hold onto the football. White and Wynn both are 230+.
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lou3000
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: safety
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How do you see the safety position shaking itself out? It looks like Collins, Underwood, and Rouse are a lock to make the team and Manuel is almost a lock to get cut -- is that accurate? Or would the team keep Manuel at the expense of a younger prospect? If the final roster spot comes down to Culver and Bigby, who has the edge?
TOM PELISSERO: Are you sure you're not mixing up the guys with the unusual 'M' first names?
Marviel Underwood hasn't even been in a contact practice since tearing up his knee last year, and Marquand Manuel is a starter, at least for now. Yes, Underwood, Aaron Rouse and maybe even Atari Bigby could challenge for that job, but that won't be decided until camp. If Manuel performs adequately in camp and the preseason, he makes the team.
Bigby has the edge on Tyrone Culver for now.
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oldman
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Press Coverage of Away Games!
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Tom....do any members of the press accompany the team on the chartered flights to away games, orr does the Press gazette have to pay your way commercially?
TOM PELISSERO: Pete Dougherty, Rob Demovsky, Mike Vandermause and a photographer travel to road games, and the P-G/Gannett pays their way. We do get some sort of break on hotels.
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philpackfan1962
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: shareholders meeting
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When the shareholders have their meeting can someone suggest to fire MR TT.He does deserve to be fired as he let go of a good dependable running back in Ahman Green, a good kicker one Ryan Longwell. He also failed in the draft and free agent market to make the offense better.We as shareholders should have a say in the firing of Mr. TT If he is fired no extra money for him also.
TOM PELISSERO: I agree the offense did not improve through free agency -- it's actually impossible to argue that point, since they didn't sign anybody. But only time will tell how guys like Brandon Jackson, James Jones and David Clowney fit in as playmakers. I know getting Marshawn Lynch would have made that draft class look a whole lot better.
Pete Dougherty is covering the shareholders' meeting for us next week. I'm sure it will be a lively one.
Seriously, though, losing Ryan Longwell is your second-biggest gripe?
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Kingkoopa
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for taking my question Tom!
Which packers Running back do you see having the most success this season? Why?
TOM PELISSERO: Good question. If he stays healthy, I think it's Brandon Jackson. He simply has more burst than Vernand Morency, who strikes me as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. If Jackson's not starting by October, I think this offense has problems.
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mckeougg
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Available safeties per Len pasquarelli
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Thanks for taking my question.
Len Pasquarelli from ESPN posted this list of FA safeties on FRiday
Matt Bowen (last team: Buffalo), Donovin Darius (Jacksonville), Derrick Gibson (Oakland), Robert Griffith (Arizona), Tebucky Jones Terrence Kiel (San Diego), Sammy Knight (Kansas City), Mike Logan (Pittsburgh), Tony Parrish (Dallas), Lance Schulters (Atlanta), Troy Vincent (Washington) and Shaun Williams (Carolina).
I would think that at least a couple of these guys might be an improvement over Marquand Manuel-- what say you?
TOM PELISSERO: The most intriguing name on that list to me is Terrence Kiel, but there's a reason he's still a free agent -- his arrest last year on felony drug charges. In the current NFL climate of zero-tolerance for conduct issues, he'll be hard-pressed to get a chance this season.
I'm not going to break out the calculator, but the average age of the other guys has to be over 30.
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jordanhuber4
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject:
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I cant help but notice that the packers, now with Barbe and Colledge working with LG, have no really true future LT on the roster with clifton in the last 1 or 2 years of his career as a good LT. Jared Gaither did not surrender 1 sack in 11 starts in 2005, has prototype size for an NFL LT and seems great at pass blocking, wich is crucial for the LT position. I cant help but feel it would be worth a 4th or 5th rounder in the supplimental draft, maybe even a 3rd rounder considering the importance of the allmighty underrated LT position. Maybe a LT with the same worth would be available lower in next year's draft, but can you put a price tag on a years experiance?
Paul Oliver, no? I would be suprised to see TT take him, but we are rather thin at CB, and have only one prospect. If hes available in the 4th or 5th as well, why not?!
TOM PELISSERO: The thing with Gaither is his weight. Unless the Packers believe he can keep it around 320 -- he's been listed at times at as much as 350 pounds -- there's no way he'd fit in the zone blocking scheme. Plus, a team that likes oversized tackles probably will turn in a second- or third-round card on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up making the short trip from College Park to Washington.
Oliver probably gets a Day 1 card too, and I just can't see Ted Thompson turning in one unless he's sold on this guy contributing immediately. If he's available for a third, there's an outside chance the Packers bite.
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jb
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: Alan Barbre
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When the Packers first drafted OL Alan Barbre, he was described as a potential heir apparent for Chad Clifton at LT. Since then, the Packers have worked him strictly at LG.
From what you've heard throughout the minicamps and OTAs, are the Packers breaking him in at LG with the idea of eventually moving him to the more difficult LT position once he masters the techniques he needs at the pro level? Or have the Packers abandoned the idea of him ever being an effective LT?
TOM PELISSERO: If Chad Clifton went down in a game, there's a good chance Daryn Colledge would slide over to left tackle. So why prepare Barbre for a position he wouldn't play as a rookie? He'll get more reps at guard and, in theory, be ready to contribute there this season. They're not going to have him split time and get his wires crossed.
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jb
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Surprises
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Haivng come into covering the Packers with a fresh set of eyes, did any of the players you saw at the minicamps or OTAs surprise you with being better than you expected?
TOM PELISSERO: As I've stated before in this space, Aaron Rodgers stood out as much as anyone at the skill positions. Of course, guys are in shorts and a lot of QBs look good. But Rodgers' mobility not too far removed from ankle surgery was notable, and he has more zip on his passes than I'd noticed in the past. I certainly wouldn't dub that pick as a failure just yet.
kimmer62
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Chat with Tom
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Tom, Since the chat last week had no questions about Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers I will ask about them. My question is how did Brett and Aaron Rodgers do in the OTA's that you get to watch the team pratice?Did Brett and Aaron look like they both have recovered from their injuries?
TOM PELISSERO: As stated in the question above, Rodgers looked fine. Favre also was sharp for the most part, particularly in the red zone. Even at 37, he still can throw on the move as well as anyone. I don't think either will be slowed in camp, though Favre will be on a pitch count again to avoid wearing out his arm.
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kimmer62
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: Chat with Tom
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Tom, What does the Packers front office do during the time OTA's are over and training camp doesn't start till the 28th of july?
TOM PELISSERO: What most people do this time of year -- take vacation.
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Ralph
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Thoughts on Packer practice at East High School?
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What are your thoughts on the idea of the Packers practicing at Green Bay East High School? I think it's a neat idea to have a Packer practice at East High School's football field, but do not let Green Bay Superintendent, Daniel Nerad near it: he'll have a typed agenda for the Packers and fans to follow and disseminate.
TOM PELISSERO: Without being too much of a cynic, I think people vastly overestimate how much Packers players will take from this. Ninety percent of them will shuffle in and out without giving more than a minute of thought to the history of the field or the people who played there. Good luck finding five guys on the roster who can spell 'Canadeo.'
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Studmuffin
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: Barnett
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When is the Barnett issue going to be resolved by local authorities and why is it taking so long?
I see ex-Packer and Fox announcer Bill Maas got busted for guns/drugs and Kenny Peterson tested positive for roids? Is the media just reporting more of these incidents or we are we seeing something changing in our society with drugs and pro athletes (or ex-athletes in B.M.'s case). Just seems like the police blotter is going crazy this year.
TOM PELISSERO: The wheels of justice move slowly, my friend. Better to get things right than get them quickly.
The short-term result of Roger Goodell's crackdown on player conduct is a brighter spotlight on every arrest -- everybody sees the news and says, "What's the commissioner going to do about this one?" But Goodell is willing to make that sacrifice to clean up the NFL's image off the field over the long haul. I'm not sure how much difference it will make, but it's a step in the right direction.
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Studmuffin
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: TV Games
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Tom - What's the latest with the NFL Network and the Cable TV folks (Charter Communications) getting something worked out before the season starts. Last year half of WI got "blacked out" of the Packer-Viking game thanks to NFL greed hounds. I pay about $70.00 per month for cable TV plus extra for high definition yet I can't get the biggest rivalry game of the season on my cable TV channel. I guess the last laugh was on the NFL Network when the Packers won that stinker of a game 9 to 7.
TOM PELISSERO: I don't have an update for you (sorry), but I am curious what the NFL Network plans to show in the offseason with NFL Europa now defunct. Those tape-delayed Saturday games were about all the channel had post-draft.
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markoldenburg
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: Offensive Weapon
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My only question to you would be, how could George Koonce say that they are looking for someone big on offense, when in reality it only can happen if another Team does finally decide to drop one of those big deep down threat receiver that the Packers are watching for. Also, do you have any idea why Ted Thompson decided not to take Randy Moss because he was a steal for the Packers and if that 4th Round Pick that we would have lost doesn't make the team, it only means that it was a BIG mistake for Ted Thompson and I still believe that if Ron Wolf would have been where Ted Thompson was this off-season, we would have added Randy Moss to our team and the Packers would have been picked to take the Division and possibly picked for the Super Bowl this upcoming year.
TOM PELISSERO: Koonce can say whatever he wants, because he's no longer employed by the Packers. Whether it proves to be true is a separate issue.
The Packers didn't want to sacrifice a draft pick nor get into a rent-a-player situation. But there definitely is some implied pressure on Allen Barbre to make this squad and contribute down the road.
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abishopd
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:51 am Post subject:
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TP,
What kind of coverage can we expect from training camp? I thought the updates, big plays, passing stats and highlights from the mini camps and OTA's were great I just wish you were allowed to view more than the 3-4 practices that they allowed media. Will you have access to most of the training camp practices?
Thanks.
TOM PELISSERO: We'll get to see everything fans get to see, meaning every practice in training camp except three pregame walkthroughs. I'll be updating the blog as often as possible, with some help from the rest of the guys, so set your bookmark now if you haven't already.
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PackerNation
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:
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Thanks for taking my question(s).
1)In your opinion, how much of Favre's performance over the past two years is it fair to blame on a poor supporting cast?
2)If Favre has another season with a passer rating in the low 70s and more turnovers than TDs, will it be legitimate to blame that on the team around him this year?
TOM PELISSERO: Having a young offensive line and a derth of reliable receiving targets will hurt any quarterback, especially one whose skills have declined. Favre cut his interceptions significantly last season (from 29 to 1, but his completion percentage dipped to a career-low 56 percent.
It's really hard to for me to look at his performance on game day and say he'd be the player he was 10 years ago if only he had better players around him. However, he sure would benefit from having more players he's comfortable throwing to.
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PackBjammin
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: Training camp questions
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Offseason type of questions, and I doubt you have answers ready off the top of your head. Maybe you can add these to your list of training camp questions.
Are the Packers employing any new training techniques? In HS sports, the kettlebell weights are really becoming popular for building "football strength" as opposed to butt in the air max bench press lifts.
Are they employing any of the more "alternative health" techniques like blending or juicing foods, digestive enzyme supplementation to increase nutritional absorption, or hyperbaric sleeping chambers to improve recovery during training camp?
Last question. Why do scouts time players in the 40 yard dash when more accurate and diverse "football speed" times should be readily available? If you know the frame rate for game film, and if you know the position of the player at each frame, then speed, acceleration, etc. should be easy to calculate. As everyone knows, factors such as lateral speed, speed while being engaged, and 4th quarter 12th play of the drive speed is very different than optimal track speed without pads.
Thanks in advance, Tom.
TOM PELISSERO: The Packers emphasized functional training and individual weaknesses in their offseason program. I've pasted the story I wrote at the beginning below. The rest of your question is something I personally haven't explored much.
The 40-yard dash just happens to be the most fan-friendly measurement -- most scouts do break it down into 10-, 20-, etc. The 10, for instance, is the key number for linemen. And they break down plenty of tape to analyze the other inconsistencies you spoke of. Last month, Ted Thompson was in California with representatives from the other 31 teams for a briefing on the top prospects in the class of 2008. The depth of NFL scouting truly is amazing.
Packers tone down strength program to tune up
By Tom Pelissero
tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com
For all the hype about high-tech gadgetry and futuristic training, the Green Bay Packers' strength and conditioning program is under way with a throwback theme: Make the offseason feel like the offseason.
That means less lifting. A lighter load on Tuesdays. A full breakfast every morning at the dining hall. And the same three-day weekends veterans have come to appreciate.
There's more than one way to prepare for a fast start, and Packers strength and conditioning coordinator Rock Gullickson believes his players can reach maximum strength by the team's mid-May minicamp without suffering mental burnout.
"And I'm hopeful as guys go away for that month of July," Gullickson said Tuesday afternoon, "that they'll keep working toward another peak heading into training camp."
At least that's the plan set by Packers coach Mike McCarthy, who promised changes to the team's offseason program after last year's 1-4 start.
Players were screened Monday to identify weaknesses in their bodies, which Gullickson and other assistants began trying to strengthen Tuesday. Future Tuesdays will follow suit, with players focusing on functional training, addressing individual needs and resting for harder workouts on Wednesdays and Thursdays.
There are three training sessions each morning, all beginning with organized exercises in the Don Hutson Center. Veterans get the prime 9:30 time slot — a small concession for those skeptical about new equipment and routines. After a two-week adaptation period, players will spend seven weeks working toward strength and power, leaving most conventional football activities for camps in May and June.
Though a number of players were "accounted for" but absent Monday and Tuesday, according to Gullickson, attendance is expected to surpass last year's total when they arrive next week. Several players returning from injuries — tackle Kevin Barry, quarterback Aaron Rodgers and safety Marviel Underwood — already are doing what they can under close watch from team trainers.
"Good energy. Good focus," Gullickson said of the first sessions. "Going into the offseason off a four-game winning streak, I feel it's still with them."
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stevie3r
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: uni's
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Is there a way to start a petition for a uniform change? I think that the time has come to update our uniforms, if only for this year, perhaps for Lambeau's 50th anniversary? I really like the uniforms we wore on Thanksgiving against Detroit a few years back with grey face masks and black shoes.
Here they are: http://www.packers.com/multimedia/photo_galleries/2003_game/2003-11-27b/
Let's go old school!
TOM PELISSERO: If the NFL threw back to any other timeframe, I'd want a cross-promotion to revive the arena league's old Zubaz look. Check out this video of arena hall of famer Jay Gruden and tell me you wouldn't want to see that getup in green and gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXxj_9p4OQ
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JustJeff
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:
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Do you see any surprise breakout players this year?
The secondary and WR corps seem the most likely areas as both are crowded; will someone leap over others to gain a contributing role?
TOM PELISSERO: Good observation. Those are two spots where there will be a lot of competition. I like the odds of Frank Walker, Will Blackmon and Patrick Dendy all turning some heads in camp.
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JustJeff
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject:
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Tight End - appears to be one of several good camp wars.
Last week you touched on it briefly... does Franks make the roster?
My understanding is that Lee and Humphrey have gotten most if not all the snaps with the 1's. You don't seem as impressed with Humphrey as the coaches. What is your take on Humphrey?
TOM PELISSERO: When I look at Tory Humphrey, I see Jermaine Wiggins without the hands or athletic ability. At 6-foot-2, he's never going to be a consistent receiving threat, and he doesn't seem all that mobile. He has to make the roster with his blocking ability. If the cutdown was today, he'd get the nod over Bubba Franks -- assuming the Packers kept someone else as the third tight end -- but in my opinion Humphrey brings less to the table overall.
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Casey0424
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject:
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Hi,
Have you had much opportunity to watch the OL practice in the OTA's? Have you noticed improvement in the starters from the end of last year? Do they seem bigger or stronger after a off-season of strength and conditioning workouts? Do they seem more confident and in-sync as a group? Any insight at all that you can give us on how this unit is performing would be appreciated.
TOM PELISSERO: It's next to impossible to evaluate linemen without pads. But it stands to reason they'll operate better as a group with a year of experience together. The fullbacks and tight ends are part of the equation too. Without a clear-cut star at running back, the performance of the seven men in front will play a huge role in how well Vernand Morency and Brandon Jackson fill Ahman Green's shoes this season.
Thanks for all the questions, guys and gals. Stay tuned to the blog for the latest until training camp.
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: DEs
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I think an interesting battle to watch will be for the "depth" roster spots on the defensive line. Will there be a 4th DE? What do you think Montgomery, Hunter, and Birdine bring to the table? Could the team cut them all and play Corey Williams or Johnny Jolly at DE on occasion?
TOM PELISSERO: ... And off we go.
The Packers have flexibility with guys that can play multiple positions along the d-line. However, I'd be surprised if they didn't keep a fourth DE, especially with one starting end (Cullen Jenkins) shifting inside situationally. Out of that group, I think Michael Montgomery makes it.
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packersince55
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Packer Record
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Thank you, Tom, for taking our questions!
Please give your grade of the Packers efforts to improve the team this off-season, through free agency and the draft.
TOM PELISSERO: Well, when you lose two starters and add one backup, I don't think that can be better than a C. The draft is difficult to grade right now, especially with the first-round pick standing on the sidelines for most of the minicamps and OTAs. So, we'll stick with a C.
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pdberg
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Beat reporting
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Tom, now that you have had some time covering the Packers, what would you say are some of the biggest differences, (positive and negative), you have noticed between this organization and the previous team you covered, the Minnesota Vikings?
TOM PELISSERO: I covered the Vikings during the Mike Tice era, so it's safe to say the operations there were unique. You had a coach who would drift on and off the record while speaking with reporters during practice or late at night in the media room; you had a superstar (Randy Moss) who held one press conference in two years; and you had an absentee owner (Red McCombs) who was desperately trying to unload the team. Not that any of that really falls into the categories of positive or negative, but it was a unique situation. The biggest difference so far probably is access. I feel that's the case in every NFL city as teams try to adjust to the blog age.
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Yoop
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject:
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For me the games are won by the big guys up front on offense and defense.
Good lines on both sides of the ball make all of the "skilled" players better.
On both sides of the ball what players do you see on the lines perhaps pushing for a starting job that have not had one before if any?
Also Poppinga got a lot of negative fan reaction to his coverage problems in the beginning of the year, In his work this off season from what you may have saw does he look better, almost a full 2 years removed from ACL surgery and having had a full year playing SSLB?
TOM PELISSERO: I think the lines are pretty well set, with the exception of Corey Williams vs. Justin Harrell for the second defensive tackle spot. As I wrote in the blog last week, though, there's going to be an even heavier rotation of players at the d-tackle spots than a year ago. No backup offensive linemen look like they'll push the veterans or last year's rookies.
Brady Poppinga's biggest issue a year ago was coverage, and from what I saw this offseason I think it'll be the case again. I'm not sure if it's an awareness thing or just a lack of short-range quickness and speed, but he simply doesn't look comfortable anytime he has to go into or come out of a backpedal. I don't think that has anything to do with his knee, though.
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PackRuss
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: Defensive Backs Potential
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Hello Tom,
I have a question concerning what staffs look for in defensive backs? Case in point Devon Hester of the Bears. Do teams look heavily at DB's that can fill the special teams for explosiveness, or even the offense, or is this simply a case of player's showing extra in training camp and getting the chance? Are DB's drafted, and it's assumed they will be in the mix to run back punts or kicks? Did the Packers see something similar in Will Blackmon before he got hurt. There was a player drafted last year(the name eludes me) was thought to be this guy, but had a fumbling problem, by the way saw an article & he is now in the Canadian Football League fumbling returns still!!
TOM PELISSERO: I like Will Blackmon a lot, but I'm a probably biased, because I watched him play four years for my alma mater. Coming out of Boston College, I would have put Blackmon in the same category as Devin Hester as far as elusiveness and vision, but he's been brittle since he got to Green Bay.
Certainly, teams try to project which college players -- specifically WRs and DBs -- will make the biggest impact on returns in the NFL. That's how Ted Ginn Jr., all 5-11 of him, goes in the top 10.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: Offensive Scheme
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Thanks for the time Tom,
Have you seen any indications of the Packers refining or adding to their offense now that we are in MM's second year? In particular, have there been evident adjustments in the red zone?
TOM PELISSERO: Without getting too deep into strategy, it seems tight ends will have more responsibilities, and consequently the fullback could be used less. There also have been allusions to putting the quarterback on the move more often.
The red-zone package will be interesting to watch in training camp, because there are a number of backs -- most notable, rookies DeShawn Wynn and Corey White -- whose best chance to earn a roster spot will be as goal-line specialists. The Packers need somebody who can pound down there and hold onto the football. White and Wynn both are 230+.
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lou3000
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: safety
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How do you see the safety position shaking itself out? It looks like Collins, Underwood, and Rouse are a lock to make the team and Manuel is almost a lock to get cut -- is that accurate? Or would the team keep Manuel at the expense of a younger prospect? If the final roster spot comes down to Culver and Bigby, who has the edge?
TOM PELISSERO: Are you sure you're not mixing up the guys with the unusual 'M' first names?
Marviel Underwood hasn't even been in a contact practice since tearing up his knee last year, and Marquand Manuel is a starter, at least for now. Yes, Underwood, Aaron Rouse and maybe even Atari Bigby could challenge for that job, but that won't be decided until camp. If Manuel performs adequately in camp and the preseason, he makes the team.
Bigby has the edge on Tyrone Culver for now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Press Coverage of Away Games!
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Tom....do any members of the press accompany the team on the chartered flights to away games, orr does the Press gazette have to pay your way commercially?
TOM PELISSERO: Pete Dougherty, Rob Demovsky, Mike Vandermause and a photographer travel to road games, and the P-G/Gannett pays their way. We do get some sort of break on hotels.
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philpackfan1962
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: shareholders meeting
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When the shareholders have their meeting can someone suggest to fire MR TT.He does deserve to be fired as he let go of a good dependable running back in Ahman Green, a good kicker one Ryan Longwell. He also failed in the draft and free agent market to make the offense better.We as shareholders should have a say in the firing of Mr. TT If he is fired no extra money for him also.
TOM PELISSERO: I agree the offense did not improve through free agency -- it's actually impossible to argue that point, since they didn't sign anybody. But only time will tell how guys like Brandon Jackson, James Jones and David Clowney fit in as playmakers. I know getting Marshawn Lynch would have made that draft class look a whole lot better.
Pete Dougherty is covering the shareholders' meeting for us next week. I'm sure it will be a lively one.
Seriously, though, losing Ryan Longwell is your second-biggest gripe?
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for taking my question Tom!
Which packers Running back do you see having the most success this season? Why?
TOM PELISSERO: Good question. If he stays healthy, I think it's Brandon Jackson. He simply has more burst than Vernand Morency, who strikes me as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. If Jackson's not starting by October, I think this offense has problems.
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mckeougg
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Available safeties per Len pasquarelli
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Thanks for taking my question.
Len Pasquarelli from ESPN posted this list of FA safeties on FRiday
Matt Bowen (last team: Buffalo), Donovin Darius (Jacksonville), Derrick Gibson (Oakland), Robert Griffith (Arizona), Tebucky Jones Terrence Kiel (San Diego), Sammy Knight (Kansas City), Mike Logan (Pittsburgh), Tony Parrish (Dallas), Lance Schulters (Atlanta), Troy Vincent (Washington) and Shaun Williams (Carolina).
I would think that at least a couple of these guys might be an improvement over Marquand Manuel-- what say you?
TOM PELISSERO: The most intriguing name on that list to me is Terrence Kiel, but there's a reason he's still a free agent -- his arrest last year on felony drug charges. In the current NFL climate of zero-tolerance for conduct issues, he'll be hard-pressed to get a chance this season.
I'm not going to break out the calculator, but the average age of the other guys has to be over 30.
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I cant help but notice that the packers, now with Barbe and Colledge working with LG, have no really true future LT on the roster with clifton in the last 1 or 2 years of his career as a good LT. Jared Gaither did not surrender 1 sack in 11 starts in 2005, has prototype size for an NFL LT and seems great at pass blocking, wich is crucial for the LT position. I cant help but feel it would be worth a 4th or 5th rounder in the supplimental draft, maybe even a 3rd rounder considering the importance of the allmighty underrated LT position. Maybe a LT with the same worth would be available lower in next year's draft, but can you put a price tag on a years experiance?
Paul Oliver, no? I would be suprised to see TT take him, but we are rather thin at CB, and have only one prospect. If hes available in the 4th or 5th as well, why not?!
TOM PELISSERO: The thing with Gaither is his weight. Unless the Packers believe he can keep it around 320 -- he's been listed at times at as much as 350 pounds -- there's no way he'd fit in the zone blocking scheme. Plus, a team that likes oversized tackles probably will turn in a second- or third-round card on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up making the short trip from College Park to Washington.
Oliver probably gets a Day 1 card too, and I just can't see Ted Thompson turning in one unless he's sold on this guy contributing immediately. If he's available for a third, there's an outside chance the Packers bite.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: Alan Barbre
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When the Packers first drafted OL Alan Barbre, he was described as a potential heir apparent for Chad Clifton at LT. Since then, the Packers have worked him strictly at LG.
From what you've heard throughout the minicamps and OTAs, are the Packers breaking him in at LG with the idea of eventually moving him to the more difficult LT position once he masters the techniques he needs at the pro level? Or have the Packers abandoned the idea of him ever being an effective LT?
TOM PELISSERO: If Chad Clifton went down in a game, there's a good chance Daryn Colledge would slide over to left tackle. So why prepare Barbre for a position he wouldn't play as a rookie? He'll get more reps at guard and, in theory, be ready to contribute there this season. They're not going to have him split time and get his wires crossed.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Surprises
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Haivng come into covering the Packers with a fresh set of eyes, did any of the players you saw at the minicamps or OTAs surprise you with being better than you expected?
TOM PELISSERO: As I've stated before in this space, Aaron Rodgers stood out as much as anyone at the skill positions. Of course, guys are in shorts and a lot of QBs look good. But Rodgers' mobility not too far removed from ankle surgery was notable, and he has more zip on his passes than I'd noticed in the past. I certainly wouldn't dub that pick as a failure just yet.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Chat with Tom
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Tom, Since the chat last week had no questions about Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers I will ask about them. My question is how did Brett and Aaron Rodgers do in the OTA's that you get to watch the team pratice?Did Brett and Aaron look like they both have recovered from their injuries?
TOM PELISSERO: As stated in the question above, Rodgers looked fine. Favre also was sharp for the most part, particularly in the red zone. Even at 37, he still can throw on the move as well as anyone. I don't think either will be slowed in camp, though Favre will be on a pitch count again to avoid wearing out his arm.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: Chat with Tom
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Tom, What does the Packers front office do during the time OTA's are over and training camp doesn't start till the 28th of july?
TOM PELISSERO: What most people do this time of year -- take vacation.
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Ralph
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Thoughts on Packer practice at East High School?
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What are your thoughts on the idea of the Packers practicing at Green Bay East High School? I think it's a neat idea to have a Packer practice at East High School's football field, but do not let Green Bay Superintendent, Daniel Nerad near it: he'll have a typed agenda for the Packers and fans to follow and disseminate.
TOM PELISSERO: Without being too much of a cynic, I think people vastly overestimate how much Packers players will take from this. Ninety percent of them will shuffle in and out without giving more than a minute of thought to the history of the field or the people who played there. Good luck finding five guys on the roster who can spell 'Canadeo.'
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Studmuffin
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: Barnett
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When is the Barnett issue going to be resolved by local authorities and why is it taking so long?
I see ex-Packer and Fox announcer Bill Maas got busted for guns/drugs and Kenny Peterson tested positive for roids? Is the media just reporting more of these incidents or we are we seeing something changing in our society with drugs and pro athletes (or ex-athletes in B.M.'s case). Just seems like the police blotter is going crazy this year.
TOM PELISSERO: The wheels of justice move slowly, my friend. Better to get things right than get them quickly.
The short-term result of Roger Goodell's crackdown on player conduct is a brighter spotlight on every arrest -- everybody sees the news and says, "What's the commissioner going to do about this one?" But Goodell is willing to make that sacrifice to clean up the NFL's image off the field over the long haul. I'm not sure how much difference it will make, but it's a step in the right direction.
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Studmuffin
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: TV Games
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Tom - What's the latest with the NFL Network and the Cable TV folks (Charter Communications) getting something worked out before the season starts. Last year half of WI got "blacked out" of the Packer-Viking game thanks to NFL greed hounds. I pay about $70.00 per month for cable TV plus extra for high definition yet I can't get the biggest rivalry game of the season on my cable TV channel. I guess the last laugh was on the NFL Network when the Packers won that stinker of a game 9 to 7.
TOM PELISSERO: I don't have an update for you (sorry), but I am curious what the NFL Network plans to show in the offseason with NFL Europa now defunct. Those tape-delayed Saturday games were about all the channel had post-draft.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: Offensive Weapon
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My only question to you would be, how could George Koonce say that they are looking for someone big on offense, when in reality it only can happen if another Team does finally decide to drop one of those big deep down threat receiver that the Packers are watching for. Also, do you have any idea why Ted Thompson decided not to take Randy Moss because he was a steal for the Packers and if that 4th Round Pick that we would have lost doesn't make the team, it only means that it was a BIG mistake for Ted Thompson and I still believe that if Ron Wolf would have been where Ted Thompson was this off-season, we would have added Randy Moss to our team and the Packers would have been picked to take the Division and possibly picked for the Super Bowl this upcoming year.
TOM PELISSERO: Koonce can say whatever he wants, because he's no longer employed by the Packers. Whether it proves to be true is a separate issue.
The Packers didn't want to sacrifice a draft pick nor get into a rent-a-player situation. But there definitely is some implied pressure on Allen Barbre to make this squad and contribute down the road.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:51 am Post subject:
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TP,
What kind of coverage can we expect from training camp? I thought the updates, big plays, passing stats and highlights from the mini camps and OTA's were great I just wish you were allowed to view more than the 3-4 practices that they allowed media. Will you have access to most of the training camp practices?
Thanks.
TOM PELISSERO: We'll get to see everything fans get to see, meaning every practice in training camp except three pregame walkthroughs. I'll be updating the blog as often as possible, with some help from the rest of the guys, so set your bookmark now if you haven't already.
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PackerNation
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:
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Thanks for taking my question(s).
1)In your opinion, how much of Favre's performance over the past two years is it fair to blame on a poor supporting cast?
2)If Favre has another season with a passer rating in the low 70s and more turnovers than TDs, will it be legitimate to blame that on the team around him this year?
TOM PELISSERO: Having a young offensive line and a derth of reliable receiving targets will hurt any quarterback, especially one whose skills have declined. Favre cut his interceptions significantly last season (from 29 to 1, but his completion percentage dipped to a career-low 56 percent.
It's really hard to for me to look at his performance on game day and say he'd be the player he was 10 years ago if only he had better players around him. However, he sure would benefit from having more players he's comfortable throwing to.
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PackBjammin
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: Training camp questions
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Offseason type of questions, and I doubt you have answers ready off the top of your head. Maybe you can add these to your list of training camp questions.
Are the Packers employing any new training techniques? In HS sports, the kettlebell weights are really becoming popular for building "football strength" as opposed to butt in the air max bench press lifts.
Are they employing any of the more "alternative health" techniques like blending or juicing foods, digestive enzyme supplementation to increase nutritional absorption, or hyperbaric sleeping chambers to improve recovery during training camp?
Last question. Why do scouts time players in the 40 yard dash when more accurate and diverse "football speed" times should be readily available? If you know the frame rate for game film, and if you know the position of the player at each frame, then speed, acceleration, etc. should be easy to calculate. As everyone knows, factors such as lateral speed, speed while being engaged, and 4th quarter 12th play of the drive speed is very different than optimal track speed without pads.
Thanks in advance, Tom.
TOM PELISSERO: The Packers emphasized functional training and individual weaknesses in their offseason program. I've pasted the story I wrote at the beginning below. The rest of your question is something I personally haven't explored much.
The 40-yard dash just happens to be the most fan-friendly measurement -- most scouts do break it down into 10-, 20-, etc. The 10, for instance, is the key number for linemen. And they break down plenty of tape to analyze the other inconsistencies you spoke of. Last month, Ted Thompson was in California with representatives from the other 31 teams for a briefing on the top prospects in the class of 2008. The depth of NFL scouting truly is amazing.
Packers tone down strength program to tune up
By Tom Pelissero
tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com
For all the hype about high-tech gadgetry and futuristic training, the Green Bay Packers' strength and conditioning program is under way with a throwback theme: Make the offseason feel like the offseason.
That means less lifting. A lighter load on Tuesdays. A full breakfast every morning at the dining hall. And the same three-day weekends veterans have come to appreciate.
There's more than one way to prepare for a fast start, and Packers strength and conditioning coordinator Rock Gullickson believes his players can reach maximum strength by the team's mid-May minicamp without suffering mental burnout.
"And I'm hopeful as guys go away for that month of July," Gullickson said Tuesday afternoon, "that they'll keep working toward another peak heading into training camp."
At least that's the plan set by Packers coach Mike McCarthy, who promised changes to the team's offseason program after last year's 1-4 start.
Players were screened Monday to identify weaknesses in their bodies, which Gullickson and other assistants began trying to strengthen Tuesday. Future Tuesdays will follow suit, with players focusing on functional training, addressing individual needs and resting for harder workouts on Wednesdays and Thursdays.
There are three training sessions each morning, all beginning with organized exercises in the Don Hutson Center. Veterans get the prime 9:30 time slot — a small concession for those skeptical about new equipment and routines. After a two-week adaptation period, players will spend seven weeks working toward strength and power, leaving most conventional football activities for camps in May and June.
Though a number of players were "accounted for" but absent Monday and Tuesday, according to Gullickson, attendance is expected to surpass last year's total when they arrive next week. Several players returning from injuries — tackle Kevin Barry, quarterback Aaron Rodgers and safety Marviel Underwood — already are doing what they can under close watch from team trainers.
"Good energy. Good focus," Gullickson said of the first sessions. "Going into the offseason off a four-game winning streak, I feel it's still with them."
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: uni's
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Is there a way to start a petition for a uniform change? I think that the time has come to update our uniforms, if only for this year, perhaps for Lambeau's 50th anniversary? I really like the uniforms we wore on Thanksgiving against Detroit a few years back with grey face masks and black shoes.
Here they are: http://www.packers.com/multimedia/photo_galleries/2003_game/2003-11-27b/
Let's go old school!
TOM PELISSERO: If the NFL threw back to any other timeframe, I'd want a cross-promotion to revive the arena league's old Zubaz look. Check out this video of arena hall of famer Jay Gruden and tell me you wouldn't want to see that getup in green and gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXxj_9p4OQ
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Do you see any surprise breakout players this year?
The secondary and WR corps seem the most likely areas as both are crowded; will someone leap over others to gain a contributing role?
TOM PELISSERO: Good observation. Those are two spots where there will be a lot of competition. I like the odds of Frank Walker, Will Blackmon and Patrick Dendy all turning some heads in camp.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject:
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Tight End - appears to be one of several good camp wars.
Last week you touched on it briefly... does Franks make the roster?
My understanding is that Lee and Humphrey have gotten most if not all the snaps with the 1's. You don't seem as impressed with Humphrey as the coaches. What is your take on Humphrey?
TOM PELISSERO: When I look at Tory Humphrey, I see Jermaine Wiggins without the hands or athletic ability. At 6-foot-2, he's never going to be a consistent receiving threat, and he doesn't seem all that mobile. He has to make the roster with his blocking ability. If the cutdown was today, he'd get the nod over Bubba Franks -- assuming the Packers kept someone else as the third tight end -- but in my opinion Humphrey brings less to the table overall.
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Hi,
Have you had much opportunity to watch the OL practice in the OTA's? Have you noticed improvement in the starters from the end of last year? Do they seem bigger or stronger after a off-season of strength and conditioning workouts? Do they seem more confident and in-sync as a group? Any insight at all that you can give us on how this unit is performing would be appreciated.
TOM PELISSERO: It's next to impossible to evaluate linemen without pads. But it stands to reason they'll operate better as a group with a year of experience together. The fullbacks and tight ends are part of the equation too. Without a clear-cut star at running back, the performance of the seven men in front will play a huge role in how well Vernand Morency and Brandon Jackson fill Ahman Green's shoes this season.
Thanks for all the questions, guys and gals. Stay tuned to the blog for the latest until training camp.