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Scott Campbell
08-10-2007, 08:38 AM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070810/PKR01/708100610/1989

Posted August 10, 2007

Insider: Sixth-round picks shine By Rob Demovsky
rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com


Thumbs up

It's starting to look like General Manager Ted Thompson struck gold in the sixth round.


All three of his sixth-round picks — fullback Korey Hall (the 191st overall pick in the draft) linebacker Desmond Bishop (No. 192) and kicker Mason Crosby (No. 193) — had big days on Thursday.


Bishop has taken advantage of the nagging knee problems that have limited second-year pro Abdul Hodge to one practice a day. With Hodge out in the morning, Bishop worked as the No. 2 middle linebacker. During a team (11-on-11) period, he intercepted an Ingle Martin pass that was tipped at the line of scrimmage by Jason Hunter. With Hodge back for night practice, Bishop still got some reps with the second-team. Another indication of his progress was he moved onto the No. 1 kickoff return team. He lined up in a spot previously held by starting linebacker Brady Poppinga.


With Brandon Miree out with a stinger, Hall worked as the top fullback with the No. 1 offense and has made remarkable progress, especially considering he played linebacker during college at Boise State.


All indications are that Crosby is an NFL-ready kicker. The only question is whether he beats out incumbent Dave Rayner. Crosby built on his overall camp lead by making eight of 10 kicks in Thursday's two practices combined. Rayner went 6-for-10, including an 0-2 showing in the morning practice during which he missed wide right from 47 yards and wide left from 48. However, it should be noted Rayner worked with backup holder Aaron Rodgers, while Crosby had the more experienced holder, Jon Ryan. For the entire camp, Crosby has made 61 of 73 field goals (83.6 percent) and Rayner 60 of 75 (80 percent).


Thumbs down

Frank Walker, the only unrestricted free agent Thompson signed this offseason, might need to make a furious rally to make the team. With the competitive part of practices largely over — most from here on out will be heavy on game-planning for the preseason games — Walker is way behind.


Heading into Saturday's preseason opener at Pittsburgh, Walker looks like he's No. 6 on the depth chart at cornerback. With starters Al Harris and Charles Woodson sitting out on Thursday evening, Walker remained with the No. 2 defense behind Jarrett Bush and Patrick Dendy. When defensive coordinator Bob Sanders went to his nickel (five defensive backs) package, he used Will Blackmon as his third corner.


One of Walker's best plays of training camp came during the night practice, but it ended badly. He picked off Martin in the end zone during a team period, but then tried to lateral to cornerback Tramon Williams and the ball hit the ground. Fortunately for Walker, Williams recovered.


Thompson probably will keep five cornerbacks on the 53-man roster, so Walker might be on the outs.


Did you notice?

Rookie Justin Harrell had his best rep of camp during the one-on-one pass-rushing/pass-blocking drill in the night session. The defensive tackle used an inside move to beat right guard Tony Palmer. It was the first time in camp that the first-round pick won a rep with technique rather than pure power. Harrell also won a pair of reps by overpowering the camp whipping boy, Pat Murray. Harrell did lose one rep to fellow rookie Allen Barbre.


Offensive lineman Travis Leffew moved across the ball to take a pair of one-on-one reps as defensive tackle. He beat guard Adam Stenovich on his first try but then got stoned by Palmer.


After safety Tyrone Culver clotheslined running back Noah Herron during the morning practice, running back Corey White got revenge in the night session when he plowed over an unsuspecting Charlie Peprah. Both drills were supposed to be non-contact.


Rookie receiver David Clowney dropped another pass. This time, he was looking straight at the ball when he dropped a pass from Paul Thompson. Clowney ran a short route, turned to face Thompson and watched the ball hit him squarely in the hands.

The Leaper
08-10-2007, 09:01 AM
All indications are that Crosby is an NFL-ready kicker. The only question is whether he beats out incumbent Dave Rayner. Crosby built on his overall camp lead by making eight of 10 kicks in Thursday's two practices combined. Rayner went 6-for-10, including an 0-2 showing in the morning practice during which he missed wide right from 47 yards and wide left from 48. However, it should be noted Rayner worked with backup holder Aaron Rodgers, while Crosby had the more experienced holder, Jon Ryan. For the entire camp, Crosby has made 61 of 73 field goals (83.6 percent) and Rayner 60 of 75 (80 percent).

As I've maintained all along, the drafting of Crosby was NOT merely to give Rayner some "competition". Thompson viewed Rayner's second half last season just as I did...extremely poor. Kickers in Green Bay need to be able to function well in poor weather. Rayner did not.

It is not a coincidence that Thompson took a kicker who was successful in a cold weather climate in college.

This is Crosby's job to lose IMO. So far, he has been as good as Rayner...maybe just a tad better. Unless Rayner starts making everything or Crosby begins to really struggle, I think you can pencil in Crosby as our kicker going into the season.

Merlin
08-10-2007, 09:34 AM
I think you also need to look at the holder as well. Ryan held all last season for Rayner and now he is kicking with Rodgers with Crosby kicking with Ryan. There is something to that although not as much as Longwell made it out to be. There is a chance the Packers keep both of them. There is no clear winner right now and when there is a tie you go with experience. The hard part is, it's August not November and Crosby may have come from a cold weather team but how many games did he play at Lambeau last year in the winter? Ryan came from a dome team that seldom played in the elements where he was a kick-off specialist. It's no wonder he struggled during the nasty weather part of the season. If you think that Crosby has the edge there, you are mistaken.

Scott Campbell
08-10-2007, 09:49 AM
There is a chance the Packers keep both of them.


There is zero chance the Packers keep both of them. Mabye the PS or IR. But no chance that both make the final roster.

The only situation where teams keep 2 kickers is when your FG specialist is too weak legged for kick-off duty. That's not the case with either of these guys.

sepporepi
08-10-2007, 10:02 AM
Mabye the PS or IR.

If the keep Rayner I hope they find something to put Crosby on IR.
Better place than the PS for him.

Does anyone know what a player on IR is allowed to do with the team and waht not?

Might be a good a idea to place Clowney there too, if Bodiford becomes the return man.
I can also think of some other young guys which they might want to put on IR if the do not make the team. At least I would instead of losing them via the PS.

Could a team place anyone with a little injury on the IR list or are there some conditions regarding the injury? Should be a problem to find something after 5 weeks of camp.

The Leaper
08-10-2007, 10:37 AM
Crosby would be grabbed off the PS in five minutes.

Yes, Crosby is unproven in Lambeau...but he kicked in Colorado, where poor weather isn't uncommon. He's USED to poor weather, even if he isn't used to Lambeau.

The problem for Rayner is that he IS proven to this point in Lambeau...and his adventures in the poor weather last year won't inspire confidence that he's suddenly going to become clutch in Nov/Dec.

Experience isn't much a factor in this. As Merlin already pointed out elsewhere, neither of these guys holds a major edge in experience. Both are actually very inexperienced. I don't see how marginal experience is a huge positive for Rayner. I see it as a DRAWBACK, because IMO his small amount of time in the NFL should give him at least a tiny leg up on Crosby in a competition. Most kickers say that kicking with the K balls takes some getting used to, which is really the one aspect of experience Rayner should hold an edge.

Zool
08-10-2007, 10:46 AM
College teams rarely play a December game. Only bowl games.

The weather in Boulder is balmy compared to Green Bay. There's no big body of water close. It does snow more.


Boulder Co
Sep Oct Nov Dec
Avg. High 77 67 53 46
Avg. Low 47 37 27 21


Green Bay Wi
Sep Oct Nov Dec
Avg. High 70 58 42 29
Avg. Low 48 37 26 13

HarveyWallbangers
08-10-2007, 10:58 AM
Rayner had success at Michigan State, so it's not like he isn't used to the cold weather also.

GBRulz
08-10-2007, 11:12 AM
It actually would be nice to have one "crappy weather" pre-season game to see what the kickers can do. I think what each one did in the past is a moot point and that the pre-season results will determine who our kicker is this year.

The Leaper
08-10-2007, 11:17 AM
It actually would be nice to have one "crappy weather" pre-season game to see what the kickers can do. I think what each one did in the past is a moot point and that the pre-season results will determine who our kicker is this year.

Perhaps they can bring in some wind machines and snow makers?

GBRulz
08-10-2007, 11:21 AM
It actually would be nice to have one "crappy weather" pre-season game to see what the kickers can do. I think what each one did in the past is a moot point and that the pre-season results will determine who our kicker is this year.

Perhaps they can bring in some wind machines and snow makers?

LOL ! We've had an unbelievably warm and humid summer, but July is the only month out of the year where WI doesn't have any records of having precip in the form of snow. I guess anything is possible.