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08-11-2007, 10:42 PM
NARRATIVE GAME SUMMARY

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That'll just about do it ...

Tramon Williams batted away a pass from Eric Fowler on fourth-and-1 with less than 2 minutes to play, effectively sealing the Packers' 13-9 victory over the Steelers. The series ended with an offensive guard, Travis Leffew, playing defensive tackle. So goes the fourth quarter of the first preseason game -- a gong show every time. Curiously, rookie Paul Thompson is finishing out the game at quarterback for the Packers. Coach Mike McCarthy had said Ingle Martin would play the entire fourth quarter this week, and Thompson would do the same next week. Only a drive the final 26 seconds can thwart the Packers' bid for a win in their preseason opener.
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Rodgers' successful night over

Ingle Martin has taken over for No. 2 quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who finished 18-for-27 for 168 yards and a touchdown. Rodgers' play was a big bright spot for the Packers, especially after how badly the starters fizzled with Brett Favre at the helm. Favre and company didn't have a first down in four drives; Rodgers finished with three consecutive scoring drives against Pittsburgh's second- and third-teamers. Martin is in the closer's role this week, and rookie Paul Thompson is scheduled to play the fourth quarter next week. This roughly 8-minute stint is crucial for Martin, who is trying to hold down the No. 3 job. Poor decisions have plagued him in training camp.
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Harrell gets takedown. Welcome to the show, Justin Harrell.

The first-round draft pick shed a block by Steelers tackle Brandon Torrey to take down third-round draft pick Brian St. Pierre. Fellow rookie Larry Birdine also was in the area. Yes, Torrey is a third-stringer, and no, Harrell didn't overpower anybody. In fact, backup guard Chris Kemoeatu pushed him around in the first half. But the sack represents a small step in the right direction for Harrell, who has struggled just to get in the rotation early on. On another note, Jon Ryan's two-step approach sure seems to be working for directional punts, too. He angled out one in the first half at the 3-yard line and just dropped another one inside the 5.
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Take that, Rayner

A third consecutive Aaron Rodgers-led scoring drive ended with a 52-yard field goal from rookie Mason Crosby. That boot, from the right hash, extended the Packers' lead to 13-9 -- and one-upped incumbent kicker Dave Rayner, who earlier hit a 32-yarder to close the first half. No, the air isn't thin in Pittsburgh. Crosby's got a leg, folks.
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Rodgers-to-Holiday puts Pack on top

A 3-yard Aaron Rodgers fade to Carlyle Holiday tied the score, and Dave Rayner's extra point gave the Packers their first lead at 10-9 with 9 minutes, 11 seconds left in the third quarter in Pittsburgh. The touchdown pass, completed just over the head of Steelers cornerback Anthony Madison, capped an eight-play, 71-yard drive for the Packers. That's two long drives in a row for the Rodgers-led No. 2 offense, which went 75 yards in 12 plays at the end of the first half before a Rayner field goal. Rodgers now is 14-for-20 for 146 yards and a score with no interceptions.
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How about James Jones?

If there's a first-half MVP for the Packers offense, it's third-round draft pick James Jones. Getting the job done in practice is one thing, but Jones is making the Steelers' second-string defensive backs look silly. He had nice catches for the Packers' first two first downs, and his longest reception (21 yards) included a catch-and-juke that left Ricardo Colclough on all fours. Jones leads all players with six catches for 58 yards. Aaron Rodgers is a close second, especially after the tough throws he made during the Packers' final drive. He was 10-for-16 for 97 yards, though it should be noted he was throwing at backups. Rodgers likely will play most of the third quarter as well. Rookie running back Brandon Jackson had less luck, running eight times for 14 yards. It will be interesting to see, given the injury situation, how much (if at all) Jackson will play in the second half. Noah Herron had double-digit plays running and receiving and has 33 combined yards on five touches. Pittsburgh has a slight edge in total yards (174-158), passing yards (114-104) and rushing yards (60-54) at the break. Seventy-five of the Packers' yards came on their last drive.

One note from Pittsburgh: According to Rob Demovsky, running back Vernand Morency is the only one of the Packers' injured players who made the trip. The rest, including starting cornerbacks Charles Woodson and Al Harris, are not on the sideline.
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Rayner converts, pulls Pack within six

Dave Rayner hit a 32-yard field goal from the left hash, pulling the Packers within 9-3 at halftime. It's a big strike for Rayner, who had struggled recently in training camp, giving ground to rookie Mason Crosby in the battle to be the Packers' kicker. Aaron Rodgers hit Ruvell Martin in the back of the end zone with 10 seconds to play, but Martin was flagged for illegal touching because he stepped out of bounds first. The call was upheld upon a booth-initiated review, and Donald Lee got a short pass to set up Rayner's kick.
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A first down! A first down!

After five brutal drives and nearly 20 minutes of game action, Aaron Rodgers -- playing behind the second-team offensive line -- gave the Packers their first two first downs, both on passes to James Jones. They got out of their own territory, too, but the drive stalled at the 46 when Rodgers' pass on third-and-5 went off Robert Ferguson's fingertips. Too bad Rodgers didn't get more of a look with the starters. He's showing a little bit of the promise and progress he's flashed all offseason, but it's tough to sustain a drive when Junius Coston's getting tossed around by second-string defensive ends in front of you.
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Backup safeties getting owned

For as good as Cullen Jenkins and the starting defense looked early, the backup safeties are looking totally clueless. And Charlie Batch is looking like a Pro Bowler with a 41-yard touchdown strike to Walter Young and a 49-yard completion to Santonio Holmes. Atari Bigby and Marviel Underwood were on the field for both, with Bigby failing to tackle Young and Underwood misjudging the throw to Holmes. The defense stopped the Steelers after the big Holmes catch, but Jeff Reed banged through a 27-yard field goal to make it 9-0 Steelers. Jenkins has two sacks, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery.
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Steelers strike first, lead 6-0

The Steelers took advantage of soft zone coverage and a missed tackle by Atari Bigby to take a 6-0 lead. Walter Young (who?) ran past Tracy White, caught Charlie Batch's pass and bounced off Bigby on his way to the end zone for a 41-yard touchdown. The extra point was blocked, leaving the score 6-0.
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U-G-L-Y

Coach Mike McCarthy said his starters would play at least a dozen snaps. He probably didn't think that meant four three-and-outs for his offense. The Packers' fourth drive was their ugliest, too, featuring an airmailed throw by Brett Favre and a holding penalty on Daryn Colledge that pushed them inside their own 10. So far, the Packers have no first downs and 17 yards of offense. It's possible Favre will come out for another series simply because of this 2-for-7 performance, but it's probably not likely. Aaron Rodgers needs time with some of the starters. Ben Roethlisberger didn't do much with his first two drives of the game, but Mike Tomlin wasn't taking chances -- he pulled his starting quarterback in favor of hometown favorite Charlie Batch after only two drives. Roethlisberger finished 2-for-2 for 14 yards, but it was his fumble that cost Pittsburgh great field position in Packers territory on its first drive.
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Packers come out throwing So much for that rookie backfield.

The Packers threw on five or their first six plays; the sixth was a fumbled snap. Brett Favre completed only two of them, and the Packers didn't manage a first down -- and only 2 yards of total offense. No way this would have been the game plan if the backfield wasn't so short-handed. Brandon Miree's absence alone changed plenty, because there's no way coaches have maximum confidence in converted linebacker Korey Hall at this point. Still, no running plays the first two drives? Didn't see that one coming. The upside for the Packers is the defense hasn't given up much either -- 26 yards and one first down.
Personnel notes: Atari Bigby and Marvel Underwood have rotated in at safety, and Greg Jennings took the first rep as punt returner, though he didn't touch the ball.
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Second chance comes quickly

That wasn't what the Packers wanted on their first drive. Brett Favre threw three passes, completing only a short one to Donald Driver, and the Packers went three-and-out. But Cullen Jenkins came back with a strip and fumble recovery on the Steelers' ensuing possession. Starters are slated to play 12 to 15 plays, but getting the ball back quickly gives guys like Favre a better chance to get a few more in.
One note on the defensive set: Ryan Pickett and Corey Williams got the start at defensive tackles. They played nickel the entire series, with Will Blackmon as the third cornerback.
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Kicked off

The Packers' preseason is underway at Heinz Field in Pittsburgh, with Green Bay taking the ball first.
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Woodson, Harris inactive

Cornerbacks Charles Woodson and Al Harris are among eight players the Packers deactivated for tonight's preseason opener at Pittsburgh.

The others are: running backs P.J. Pope, Vernand Morency and DeShawn Wynn; fullback Brandon Miree; defensive end DeVon Hicks; and tackle Tony Moll. All of them missed practice the past week because of injuries. Woodson and Harris both sat out Thursday's night practice because of injuries. Woodson injured his hamstring in the morning practice, and Harris has complained of back tightness. They also sat out last Saturday's Family Night scrimmage. The Steelers' inactives are: RB Willie Parker, C Chukky Okobi, G Alan Faneca and LB Lawrence Timmons.

UPDATE: As expected, fill-in starters are: Korey Hall for Miree, Jarrett Bush for Harris and Patrick Dendy for Woodson.
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REVIEWS

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Mike Vandermause column: First-team offense lives down to expectations

The worst fears about the Green Bay Packers’ offense were realized Saturday in their preseason opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers. If the brutal performance turned in by the starters was any indication, the Packers could be in for a long year. Questions abound about who will score this season, who will run the ball and who will catch Brett Favre’s passes. The Packers didn’t supply any answers against the Steelers, and in fact, created more doubt about how they will move the ball. The No. 1 offense went three-and-out on the first four series. It never came close to picking up a first down. It struggled to move beyond the line of scrimmage.

Before the starters were mercifully removed late in the first quarter, their four drives netted the following yardage totals: 3, minus-1, 5 and minus-4. If you don’t have a calculator handy, that works out to 12 plays and 3 total yards, for an average gain of 9 inches per play. Favre completed 2 of 7 passes for 7 yards. When he wasn’t being pressured by blitzing Steelers defenders, Favre was struggling to find a receiver that could get open. Rookie Brandon Jackson did nothing to make Packers fans forget Ahman Green. Jackson rushed three times for 8 yards playing with the starters. To make matters even worse, the Packers’ No. 1 unit was guilty of a fumbled snap and a holding penalty. It was an alarming display of ineptitude, but the offensive struggles didn’t come as a complete shock.

All offseason, General Manager Ted Thompson was quizzed about why he didn’t do anything beyond the draft to bolster the offense. The Packers were one of the worst teams in the NFL in red-zone efficiency last season and ranked in the bottom third of the league in scoring. So what did the Packers do to address those problems? Instead of adding any veterans in free agency or the trade market, the Packers allowed their starting running back (Green) and likely starting tight end (David Martin) to sign with other teams. They were content to draft a running back, a pair of receivers and a tight end, and wait for players already on the roster to improve. The Packers’ passive offseason approach was curious, and the ugly consequences of that strategy were on display for everyone to see against the Steelers.

Based on the solid showing of the defense, the Packers appear to be a team that will have to win a lot of low-scoring games, which isn’t an impossible task. The Baltimore Ravens won a championship with virtually no offensive firepower in 2000, and the Chicago Bears advanced to the Super Bowl last season on the strength of their defense. No team can be fairly judged on one quarter of preseason football. There is time for players to step out of the back-row shadows into the spotlight. Jackson finished with 57 rushing yards on 16 carries, and fellow rookie James Jones hauled in six catches for 58 yards. Although those numbers came largely against Steelers’ backups, they show there’s at least potential for future offensive success. The regular-season opener is four weeks away, so there’s ample opportunity for the Packers to work out the bugs. But Saturday night provided a snapshot of where the offense stands, and the picture isn’t pretty
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Notebook: Jenkins impressive in preseason opener

Cullen Jenkins’ contract extension this offseason is starting to look like money well spent. The Green Bay Packers’ defensive lineman, who received a four-year, $16 million deal in February, started the preseason with a flurry. The fourth-year pro easily was the most impressive of any starter — either on offense or defense — during Saturday’s preseason opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field. In a continuation of what has been a strong training camp, the 6-foot-2, 303-pounder made three big plays, including a pair of sacks, during the limited playing time the No. 1 defense received. The Steelers started their first possession at the Packers’ 41-yard line thanks to a poor punt by Jon Ryan, but Jenkins bailed him out. On third-and-5 from the 36, Jenkins beat left tackle Marvel Smith and sacked Ben Roethlisberger. In the process, he forced the Steelers’ quarterback to fumble, which Jenkins also recovered.

“I was trying to turn the corner, and it wasn’t working too well,” Jenkins said in quotes distributed by the team during the third quarter. “I saw him getting ready to throw, so I just tried to time it up and hit the ball when he pulled it back.” On the next series, Jenkins blew up the blocking on a third-and-1 play from the Steelers’ 38-yard line, and it freed linebacker A.J. Hawk to stop running back Najeh Davenport, the former Packers’ backup, for no gain. Jenkins recorded his second sack shortly before Packers coach Mike McCarthy pulled the plug on the starters following their fourth series. On this one, Jenkins beat Max Starks, who came on in relief of Smith at left tackle, and dumped backup quarterback Charlie Batch for an 8-yard loss.

“We had some pretty good pressure from the D-line,” Jenkins said. “Our goal this year is to be the best defensive line and the best defense in the league. We want to try to carry this team with our play, so we’re just trying to get off to a good start.” Both of Jenkins’ sacks came with him lined up at the right defensive end spot, where he has replaced Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila as a starter in the base defense. Jenkins moved inside to his old defensive tackle spot when defensive coordinator Bob Sanders went to his nickel package.

Cornerback shuffle

With starting cornerbacks Al Harris (back) and Charles Woodson (left hamstring) out, the Packers started Jarrett Bush at right cornerback and Patrick Dendy at left cornerback. Will Blackmon worked as the third cornerback in the nickel and later replaced Bush in the base offense. Dendy gave up a 9-yard completion to receiver Nate Washington in the first quarter and got beat deep by Washington later in the first quarterback, but Washington couldn’t haul in a long pass from Batch. Later, Blackmon gave up a 49-yard completion to Santonio Holmes that set up a 27-yard field goal by Jeff Reed with 12:22 left in the second quarter. None of the backup corners appeared to be at fault on Batch’s 41-yard touchdown pass to Walter Young in the first quarter, but Blackmon was called for holding (which was declined) on that play.Frank Walker and Tramon Williams opened the second half at the cornerback spots.

Other inactives

As expected, running backs P.J. Pope (knee), Vernand Morency (knee) and DeShawn Wynn (quadriceps), fullback Brandon Miree (shoulder stinger), defensive end DeVon Hicks (groin) and tackle Tony Moll (shoulder stinger) were scratched before kickoff. That meant the Packers opened with a rookie backfield — second-round pick Brandon Jackson at running back and sixth-round pick Korey Hall, the converted linebacker from Boise State, at fullback. Of the injured players, only Morency made the trip with the team. The rest stayed in Green Bay.

Odds and ends

Defensive end Michael Montgomery blocked Reed’s extra point in the first quarter. … Rookie James Jones was the No. 3 receiver — ahead of Robert Ferguson — with the No. 1 offense. … Bubba Franks had a bad drop on a pass from Aaron Rodgers in the second quarter. … Jon Ryan punted four times in the first half for a gross average of 47.5 yards and an average hang time of 4.2 seconds. His best punt was a 47-yarder with 4.4 seconds of hang time that went out of bounds at the Steelers’ 3-yard line. Ryan Dougherty punted three times in the first half for a gross average of 47.7 yards and an average hang time of 3.86 seconds. However, one of his punts went into the end zone for a touchback.

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08-11-2007, 10:59 PM
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Plenty of unanswered questions Jackson gets plenty of action in victory over Steelers

The post-Ahman Green era got off to an entirely inconclusive start Saturday night. To no one's surprise, rookie running back Brandon Jackson didn't make a great deal of headway against one of the National Football League's stoutest defensive fronts in the Green Bay Packers' 13-9 exhibition victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers before a crowd of 57,153 at 65,050-seat Heinz Field. Green Bay is 1-0. Pittsburgh fell to 1-1.

Jackson, the second-round draft choice from Nebraska, started and was the only running back used on first and second passing downs in the first three quarters. He finished with 57 yards in 16 carries, an average of 3.6 per carry. "We've got to watch the film to check his reads," John Schneider, a personnel analyst to general manager Ted Thompson, said at halftime. "It's pretty hard to tell." A scout for another NFL team offered a wait-and-see assessment of Jackson, who has handled the bulk of the ball-carrying since Vernand Morency suffered a knee injury in the first practice July 28. He remains out indefinitely. "He was good in spurts," the personnel man said. "You can see he's got to work on pass protection, like all young running backs. He's not real patient right now. He wants to stay outside." After gaining just 14 yards in eight first-half carries, Jackson had carries of 16 and 14 yards in a 57-yard drive that was climaxed by Mason Crosby's 52-yard field goal.

Last year, the Packers were woeful offensively against the 3-4 defense of the San Diego Chargers in their exhibition opener. Schneider acknowledged that the Steelers' 3-4 also is one of the most difficult to run against in the league. Brett Favre completed just 2 of 7 passes for 7 yards in a forgettable showing. In his four three-and-out possessions, the Packers ran 12 plays and gained a paltry 12 yards. "That's what the majority of first pre-season games look like," Schneider said. "The offenses struggle and the defense are ahead. You could see it with their group, too." The Packers stayed with their zone rushing plays against the Steelers' odd-front defense.

At times, Jackson looked hesitant. At other times, there was little room to run. "A lot of his runs are angle runs," the scout said. "To say he's physical or not, you can't say. But, at the same time, he tries to change direction sometimes in the middle of the hole. That's what little guys do. "What he has to realize is not many guys in this league can make plays by stopping and starting with the ball. He has to work on that." Jackson, however, came back and showed the ability to cut back, find daylight and break tackles in the third quarter. Those big plays came with second- and third-stringers populating the lineups for both teams.

The Packers' offense came to life under Aaron Rodgers in the second and third quarters. Rodgers directed a 12-play, 75-yard drive in a two-minute situation to finish off the first half on Dave Rayner's 32-yard field goal. Then, to open the third quarter, Rodgers moved the Packers 71 yards in eight plays for a touchdown on a 3-yard pass to Carlyle Holiday. He finished 18 of 27 for 168 yards. "I thought Rodgers improved a lot," one scout said. "His throwing motion has changed. He doesn't have that herky-jerky, shot-put motion. His pocket presence now, he can make a lot of plays. He showed a lot of poise. He surprised me."

On defense, the Packers played without injured cornerbacks Charles Woodson and Al Harris. Moreover, safeties Nick Collins and Marquand Manuel exited after the first three plays. Not unlike Favre, Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger did next to nothing in two series before giving way to Charlie Batch. Batch attacked deep, completing a 40-yard bomb to Nate Washington behind Patrick Dendy. Washington, however, was ruled to have come from out of bounds and the gain was nullified. When the Steelers got the ball back, Batch hit 6-foot-4 Walter Young for a 41-yard touchdown on third and 17. The Packers were in an unconventional five-man line and the six players in the secondary appeared to blow the coverage. Young made the catch about 20 yards downfield on the left seam, bounced off an attempted tackle by safety Atari Bigby and outmaneuvered safety Marviel Underwood en route to the end zone.

On the Steelers' next play from scrimmage, Bigby appeared to bite on a play-action fake and Batch fired a home-run ball to Santonio Holmes in the middle of the field for 49 yards. That set up Jeff Reed's 27-yard field goal and the Steelers led, 9-0. Other than the long passes and a 21-yard run by Najeh Davenport, the Packers played solid defense. They stuffed a pair of third-and-1 situations for no gain, and Cullen Jenkins roared off the edge for two sacks. Jenkins, who signed a four-year deal totaling almost $16 million on the eve of free agency in March, has drawn consistently high praise from coaches for his work this summer. "It's exciting to see a guy that was rewarded and is still playing at a high level," Schneider said. "I thought the defensive line played well." Of the defense, Jenkins said: "Our goal this year is to be the best defense in the league. We want to try to carry this team with our play. We're just trying to get off to a good start."

Another rookie, wide receiver James Jones, made an impressive debut with six first-half receptions for 58 yards. "He's had a very good camp," Schneider said. "Strong after the catch. Capable of catching the ball away from his body. Made a nice run after the catch tonight." The Packers had lost five of their previous six exhibition openers.

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08-11-2007, 11:15 PM
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Insider: Bad night for safety Bigby

Thumbs up

The Packers signed defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins to a four-year contract just before the start of free agency this year based primarily on his play in the final four games of last season, when he took over as starter at right defensive end and was a major factor in the Packers’ good stretch run on the defensive side of the ball. Their decision to reward him with a lucrative contract before he could try the free-agent market is looking good. Jenkins has been one of the Packers’ best defensive players in training camp and opened the preseason with good performance against the Pittsburgh Steelers. He made two especially noteworthy plays as a pass rusher. The first came on Pittsburgh’s first series, when on third down Jenkins beat starting left tackle Marvel Smith off the edge and knocked the ball from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger’s hand for a sack, and Jenkins also recovered the fumble. Later, Jenkins beat backup left tackle Max Starks with a bull rush and sacked backup quarterback Charlie Batch. Jenkins also helped stop the Steelers’ No. 1 offense on a third-and-1 in the first quarter when he stacked running back Najeh Davenport before the line of scrimmage. Linebacker A.J. Hawk helped finish off the tackle for no gain, forcing a Steelers punt. Also, Jenkins pressured Batch on a third-and-9 play later in the first quarter with a spin move while working as inside pass rusher. Batch had to dump the ball to running back Verron Hayes for 7-yard gain.

Thumbs down

Backup safety Atari Bigby had a strong offseason in minicamps and organized team activities, where he showed as much range as any safety on the team besides Nick Collins. In camp, Bigby has worked with the No. 2 defense and is one of several players with at least a chance to unseat Marquand Manuel in the starting lineup. But Bigby’s play Saturday night hurt his chances. He missed two tackles, let a receiver get behind him for a long reception, and would have contributed to another long reception if not for the ball being slightly overthrown. On Pittsburgh’s first-quarter touchdown, receiver Walter Young released free from the line of scrimmage on a blown coverage and caught a short post route just inside the Packers’ 20. Bigby took a shot at him at the 15 but barely knocked him off stride, and Young scored the 41-yard touchdown. Bigby also missed a clean shot at tackle on halfback Gary Russell’s 16-yard run on a first down early in the second quarter. Bigby also played a major role in allowing a 49-yard pass to Santonio Holmes that led to a Steelers field goal. After Holmes beat cornerback Will Blackmon, Bigby picked up Holmes but also let the receiver run behind him. Marviel Underwood, the other safety, also came over and might have been able to break up the pass but slowed down when he looked back for the ball. Earlier, on a first-quarter play, receiver Nate Washington ran past cornerback Patrick Dendy on a go route, and Bigby was late getting over to help. But Washington couldn’t make the catch on the slightly overthrown pass.

Did you notice?

Tight end Bubba Franks looked like the tight end who has struggled as a receiver the last two years when he dropped the only pass thrown to him, a short route over the middle. Franks has had a couple of bright moments in training camp but is in serious jeopardy of losing his starting job to Donald Lee.

Rookie receiver James Jones caught six passes in the first half and showed why he’s the early front-runner for the No. 3 receiving job. Jones’ longest reception was a 21-yarder on a crossing route, and he also had a 10-yarder that converted a third down.

The Packers finished 18th in the NFL in punt-return average allowed last year and had a couple of problems Saturday night. Rookie fullback Korey Hall was penalized 5 yards for being downfield too early on the Packers’ first punt. Later in the first half, Cedrick Wilson broke free for a 45-yard return, though it was called back because of a holding penalty on Deshea Townsend. Wilson later had a 15-yard return.

Both kickers did nothing to hurt their causes in their battle for the starting job. Dave Rayner made a 32-yard field goal on the last play of the first half and hit the kickoff opening the second half to the back of the end zone for a touchback. He later had a second kickoff for a touchback and a third kickoff that went to the goal line. Rookie Mason Crosby made a 52-yard field goal in the second half.

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08-11-2007, 11:25 PM
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08-11-2007, 11:43 PM
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Rodgers shows what he can do. Backup leads team's scoring drives

The main knock against backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers during his short, two-year stint with the Green Bay Packers is that he rarely has shown the ability to move the offense. Whether it was in the exhibition season or in relief of Brett Favre, there just wasn't much evidence he was going to prove worthy of his first-round status. Rodgers still has a long way to go, but after leading the team to all the Packers' points in a 13-9 victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Saturday night - on drives of 75 and 71 yards - he broke through a cloud of anonymity and showed he might be ready to launch a stagnant career.

Playing behind the Packers' Nos. 2 and 3 offensive lines all night, Rodgers was forced to make a lot of plays on the run and appeared unfazed. When he escaped the pocket, he didn't necessarily look to run and several times set his feet to make solid throws. It was apparent that his commitment to dropping some weight and lowering his body fat worked in his favor. There were a couple times he could have reacted better to pressure, but for the most part he didn't panic on the road against the Steelers' 3-4 pressure defense.

"Aaron did a nice job," said Packers personnel analyst John Schneider, who watched the game from the press box. "He had one overthrow, but he scrambled and made some plays with his feet. He looked very poised." Rodgers came in after Favre was ineffective in four series against the Steelers' No. 1 defense. The Packers' No. 1 offense went three and out on all four possessions and managed a total of 19 yards from scrimmage. Favre completed just 2 of 7 passes for 7 yards.

On his first series, Rodgers almost threw a costly interception when cornerback Ricardo Colclough jumped in front of Ruvell Martin on a short hitch route and got his hands on the ball. On his second series, playing behind an offensive line that consisted of Orrin Thompson at left tackle, rookie Alan Barbre at left guard, Tyson Walter at center, Tony Palmer at right guard and Junius Coston at right tackle, Rodgers was running for his life. But he started to warm up after overthrowing a wide open Robert Ferguson on a third-down scramble that would have put the Packers in scoring position.

At the end of the first half, Rodgers led the Packers on a 12-play, 75-yard field goal drive, hitting rookie James Jones on a crossing route for a 21-yard gain, pump-faking and scrambling in order to buy time to complete a 17-yard pass to Martin on third and 8 and completing what appeared to be a 15-yard touchdown pass to Martin off yet another scramble. The officials ruled Martin had stepped out of the end zone before the catch, so he was an ineligible receiver and the touchdown was nullified. But the scramble and throw were impressive, and at least twice Rodgers took big hits in the pocket after releasing passes. "Aaron is a good athlete," coach Mike McCarthy said. "He's using his feet, being smart with the football. He had a nice (game)." Kicker Dave Rayner ended up booting a 32-yard field goal to cut Pittsburgh's lead to 9-3 at halftime.

At the start of the third quarter, Rodgers looked even more poised. It appeared he and the offense received a boost of confidence from the end of the half drive and they went on a march on their first possession. Rodgers threaded a ball across the middle to Martin for a 19-yard gain and then hit Shaun Bodiford on a slant for another 18. After failing on two shots near the goal-line, Rodgers went to his favorite tool - the fade route - and lofted a pass to receiver Carlyle Holiday for a 2-yard touchdown over cornerback Anthony Madison. Rodgers gave way to third-stringer Ingle Martin after leading the team on one more scoring drive, an eight-play, 57-yard jaunt that set up kicker Mason Crosby for a 52-yard field goal with 4 minutes 16 seconds left in the third quarter. Rodgers' performance - he completed 18 of 27 passes for 168 yards and one touchdown - far outshined anything he has done as a professional thus far. He had a 53.0 passer rating in the exhibition season in '05 and a 101.1 in '06 and his two-year passer rating in relief of Favre is 43.9. On this night, Rodgers posted a 95.9 passer rating, and most importantly, did not turn the ball over. It was the kind of performance the Packers are used to getting from their backup quarterbacks, players like Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, all of whom went on to have careers as starters._________________________________________ _________________________________________________

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Ryan's new approach a booming success He gets height, distance on punts

This was Green Bay Packers punter Jon Ryan's first game using his new two-step delivery, and if one performance is any indication he's going to see marked improvement this season. Ryan was a three-step punter last year, but special teams coach Mike Stock didn't like the position where his punter was making contact with the ball. So he had him shorten his strides in the belief it would improve his delivery time and make it harder for defenders to block his punts. Against Pittsburgh in the Packers' exhibition opener Saturday, Ryan had an outstanding night driving the ball both high and with distance. What's more, his first attempt at landing the ball inside the 20-yard line resulted in his punt hitting at the Pittsburgh 3 and bouncing out of bounds. Last year, Ryan ranked ninth in the NFL in gross average (44.5), but his low kicks coupled with an inconsistency with dropping it inside the 20 left him with unacceptable 35.7 net average.

Ryan looked much more consistent against the Steelers. He started out with a short 37-yard punt to start the game, but then followed up with punts of 56, 50 and 47 in the first half. Ryan averaged 47.5 yards per punt gross and 39.5 net on those four punts. For the most part, Ryan had no trouble getting his punts off. "He was 9½ yards from the line of scrimmage, which is too close for the rush," Stock said of last year. "You don't want to be any closer than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage on impact. Now he's about 11. "He's another step away from the rush. He's one step less for them. In terms of getting the ball away at a certain time from the snap and the kick, it should be to his advantage because they have another step to cover from that 10-yard mark." Rookie free agent Ryan Daugherty received two attempts, one that went 42 yards and another that traveled 56 yards. However, on the second punt, returner Cedric Wilson brought it back 45 yards. It was shortened to 23 after the Steelers were flagged for holding on the play.

Razor's edge: The great training camp defensive end Cullen Jenkins has been having carried over to the exhibition season. Jenkins notched two sacks rushing off the right end, his new starting position as of the end of last season. Jenkins beat former Pro Bowl left tackle Marvel Smith on the Steelers' first pass play of the game, knocking the ball from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's hands and recovering the fumble. Jenkins beat Smith around the edge and reached in with his left hand to knock the ball loose. Later, Jenkins bull-rushed tackle Max Starks, the team's longtime starter at right tackle who is preparing to be the backup on the left side, and took down Charlie Batch for an 8-yard loss. Jenkins' performance could give other teams a clue that they're going to have to account for him on passing downs. That could give end Aaron Kampman more sack opportunities than he had last year.

Stuck in the middle: Before training camp began, coach Mike McCarthy said that if the season began that day rookie Justin Harrell would start at right defensive tackle in the base defense and Corey Williams would start there in the nickel. Well, in the first exhibition game, Williams was the one starting next to Ryan Pickett in the base defense. Williams is the incumbent and apparently will get first shot at the position. Harrell has gotten off to a slow start in camp and Williams has been steady as usual. During practices, the tackles have been working in pairs with Pickett and Johnny Jolly one pair, Williams and Colin Cole another and Harrell and rookie free agent Daniel Muir the other....

CaliforniaCheez
08-12-2007, 04:25 AM
The Pittsburgh Perspective

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_521851.html

The first stringers didn't allow a first down Saturday night and, for the second consecutive week, yielded very little to a quarterback known for putting up big numbers.

While the defense shined in the Steelers' 13-9 loss to Green Bay in front of 57,131 fans at Heinz Field, hiccups by the offense and special teams will give coach Mike Tomlin plenty to editorialize about in his next edition of "The News."

The first-team offense didn't look nearly as sharp as it did in the Steelers' 20-7 win over the Saints last Sunday. The Steelers managed just one first down in the two series quarterback Ben Roethlisberger played and struggled with the no-huddle offense they used for the first time this year.

In two games, the Steelers' first team defense has held Favre and Saints quarterback Drew Brees to a combined 13 yards passing.


and

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_521845.html

Saturday night against Green Bay, Davenport carried seven times for 33 yards. On two carries, he was held to no gain, including one carry where he was stuffed on third-and-1 at the Steelers 38. On his final carry of the night, Davenport ran left for 21 yards against his former team, turning on the jets once he entered the secondary.

Starting inside linebackers James Farrior and Larry Foote have looked strong in the short time they've been on the field. In the first quarter against Green Bay, Foote had a tackle and Farrior recorded a tackle and a assist. Both players have been stout against the run and effective in coverage. The Packers were 0-for-4 on third downs in the first quarter. Quarterback Brett Favre was 2-of-7 for 7 yards. Last week, Drew Brees was 1-of-6 for 6 yards.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_521857.html

Chris Hoke said he doesn’t believe the knee injury he suffered in the third quarter of the Steelers’ 13-9 loss to the Green Bay Packers is serious.
The veteran nose tackle will have an MRI taken on his left knee Sunday to confirm there is no structural damage.

Hoke left the game after getting hit in the knee by teammate William Gay’s leg.

Hoke said he seemed so upset on the sideline because he was in pain and he wasn’t certain how serious the injury was.

LL2
08-12-2007, 06:37 AM
Just based what I've been reading online. I didn't get to watch the game.

Too early to say Brandon Jackson isn't good. In fact I think in the JSO article said Jackson wasn't good, but not bad. It will be good for him to get a lot of reps between now and week 1. It takes time for most RB's to be good.

Nice to hear Arod did good. I'd like to see him be consistently good through the whole preseason. I wonder if it would be remotely possible that M3 would pull Favre and put Arod in, say in one of Favre very erratic games.

JJ looks like he's going to be a third rd steal. The guy doesn't seem to drop anything. Fergy better hope he doesn't get replaced by Blackmon as the return guy, because he's not going to make it as a WR. JJ and Martin are the 3 and 4 locks.

Harrell is still raw. It will take him until around week 3 or 4 until he gets decent playing time.

Didn't read anything about Hawk, but don't think we need to.

Looks like M3 is going to have a tough time deciding between kickers. Crosby seems solid and if either of them gets cut they will be picked up fast.

RashanGary
08-12-2007, 07:07 AM
Hawk had the best defensive play of the game, LL2. It was 3rd down and 1 yard to go at around the 40 YD line. The Steelers, one of the NFL's most powerfull run teams, decided to pound the pooper to the left (no pun intented). A hole opened up (again, no pun intended), Hawk met him, stopped him and gave him no where to go. Barnett showed up and it was over. Packers stuffed the Steelers on 3rd and 1 and forced a punt. The DL did it's job and Hawk made the play. The advantage on that play always goes to the RB but Hawk rose above typical play and stuffed it. I was freaking extatic after that play.

TopHat
08-12-2007, 07:30 AM
http://packers.scout.com/2/667445.html

Thumbs up, thumbs down: Highs and lows of Green Bay Packers’ exhibition opener

While there was plenty of good in the Green Bay Packers’ 13-9 win over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Saturday night, there also was the not-so-good by the Packers. Here are a few thumbs up/thumbs down thoughts on the Packers:

Thumbs up: Aaron Rodgers carried over his solid play in training camp onto the playing field. Rodgers was 18-of-27 for 168 yards, and produced the Packers' only touchdown by ending a 71-yard drive on their opening possession of the second half with a 3-yard scoring pass to Carlyle Holiday. Rodgers is ready to start for the Packers, and if Favre should struggle at some point in the season, coach Mike McCarthy would be wise to give Rodgers a shot as the starter. His poise in the pocket is better than ever, and his ability to run with the ball is refreshing.

Thumbs down: Brett Favre, who looked sharp as a tack in the team’s intra-squad scrimmage a week ago, guided the Packers to four straight three-and-outs before putting on his baseball cap and watching the rest of the game from the sideline. Favre finished 2-of-7 for seven yards and never got into any kind of rhythm with the offense.

Thumbs up: Will Blackmon had two punt returns for minus-4 yards, but he had a 44-yard punt return called back because of holding in the third quarter. The Packers tried Blackmon, Shaun Bodiford as punt returners against the Steelers, and Blackmon by far showed the best ability to make the first guy miss. Look for Blackmon to be the team’s main punt returner when the regular season starts.

Thumbs down: Tight end Bubba Franks dropped a couple of passes that were catchable against the Steelers. Ironically, Franks, who has dropped a number of passes in the last two seasons, has been catching the ball well in training camp practices. He obviously was disappointed at himself when he let a pass from Aaron Rodgers bounce off his pads on third-and-8 late in the second quarter that would have given the Packers a first down in Steelers’ territory.

Thumbs up: Justin Harrell showed few signs of fatigue against the Steelers. Harrell has been struggling to get his ‘football legs’ under him early on in training camp, but on Saturday night he finished with a sack and three tackles after entering the game late in the second quarter. “It’s going to take a little bit to get back out there and get things loose,” Harrell said. “The more I played, the more comfortable I got. The whole game is coming back to me.”

Thumbs down: Safeties Atari Bigby and Marviel Underwood entered the game with the second string offense in the first quarter after starters Marquand Manuel and Nick Collins were pulled. Both struggled and gave up big passes that allowed the Steelers to take a 9-0 lead between the first and second quarters. Underwood, who injured his hamstring in the game, is battling back from a knee injury that he sustained early in the 2006 training camp. Bigby spend most of last season on the team’s practice squad. Neither Bigby nor Underwood did anything to enhance their chances of sticking with the team after their performances against the Steelers.

TopHat
08-12-2007, 07:47 AM
http://packers.scout.com/2/667435.html

Thoughts on preseason game: Some observations:

1. The Packers offense had no rhythm. It established no run game while the starters were in. The Steelers were able to get ample pressure and when Brett Favre got the pass off, the Pittsburgh defenders where there to knock it down or make the tackle for no additional yards. It took five drives and almost 20 minutes for the Packers to get a first down. The Packer receivers had trouble getting separation from the Steelers coverage guys and there were few holes for the Packer running backs. It was not until the end of the first half that the Packers, led by Aaron Rodgers, had a decent drive. Rodgers showed me something special. He moved well in the pocket, showed some poise under pressure and made some decent throws. He displayed some savvy driving the team down the field in the two minute drill. They did not score a touchdown, but it was not his fault. I was surprised he was that fast.

2. The defense looked good against the Steelers starters. Even without Charles Woodson and Al Harris they stymied them. Things got ugly by the fourth drive with a big run by Najeh Davenport and a TD pass by Charlie Batch, but over all, the starting defense looked pretty good. The defensive line, lead by Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampan did a good job getting pressure on the Steeler QBs. Granted Alan Faneca was not playing, but Jenkins was not manned up on the guard. The weak link is still the safety position. When the Steelers made plays, it could be be blamed on the safeties. Like last year, the Packers gave up too many big plays. Probably another communication breakdown. The upside is that they were all against guys who hopefully will not play much. But if injuries were to mount, look out.

3. First round pick Justin Harrell did not get in until there was about five minutes left in the first half. It looks like the only thing he knows how to do is bull rush and was a non-factor. The only rookie who looked like he belonged was WR James Jones. He had a few nifty receptions and one nice run after the catch.

4. A penalty flag saved the Packers from an embarrassing punt return in the first quarter. The special teams, especially the coverage teams, have haunted the Packers for a while now. Pittsburgh also had a good return to start the second quarter. It is scary how bad they looked. It had better improve. Field position is too important to sacrifice. The Packers are a very young team and that effects their special teams play. The Packers did block an extra point which is good. It amazes me how Mike Montgomery was able to penetrate up the middle on the kick attempt.

5. I lost interest at halftime. Not much ever happens in the second half of preseason game that means much once the games count. From what I saw, the pundits seem to be right about the Packers. Better than average defense, no weapons on offense. It is ridiculous to worry so early in the season, but it was not an encouraging show.

TopHat
08-12-2007, 09:12 AM
http://www.packers.com

Overall though, you're pleased to come back to Pittsburgh and get the win?

It's important to win, you know winning is important. That was obviously our goal when we came here. The focus for our football team was to come out and play a physical football game against a physical football team. I think we accomplished that. We talked about ball command, ball extraction with the defense with the turnover ratio. Offense did not give the ball up, and I thought that was the key to the game. I saw a lot of positive things out there by our football team, but we still have a lot of work to do.

How did Brandon Jackson do?

Brandon Jackson - I thought we got him going there in the third quarter. I don't know if he had a whole lot of running room frankly in the first two quarters. I think he showed what he's capable of doing. He has excellent burst and quickness. He is definitely a threat when he gets to the second level. I thought he had some nice runs. I thought he played physical. From what I've seen, I thought he did a pretty good job in the pass protection, so he's a young man that needs to play.

What did you think of Aaron Rodgers' performance and can you see him making strides?

I thought Aaron Rodgers had a nice evening. I thought he did a lot of good things with his feet, thought he was composed in the pocket, thought his ball accuracy and decision-making for the most part was good. I was impressed with him in the two-minute drill and actually gave him another two-minute type situation at the end of the third quarter. I thought he did a nice job with that. The biggest thing with Aaron is the tempo getting in and out of the huddle, handling different situations. I think you see a young man that is getting an opportunity to play, and I thought he had a nice night.

Any injuries?

Yes, Marviel Underwood had a hamstring, and Ingle Martin took a blow to the head.

Can you make any assessments of your offense and defense at this point?

I'm not going to make any assessments. We'll watch the film. We have a lot of positive things to build off of and plenty of things to work on, and that'll be our focus. Offensively, I think everything that happened out there in the negative category is definitely fixable.

Your starting safeties weren't out there very long.

Well, frankly just for playing time. We wanted to take a good long look at the younger guys. I think we accomplished that. We had some targets we wanted to hit, particularly at safety and corner, and I think we accomplished that.

What coverage were you in on the touchdown?

I can't tell you - I think we were in quarters. I think Bigby was in quarters and the backside safety Underwood - his play on the ball could have been better. The film will tell me the final say on it.

How did James Jones look tonight?

I thought he did some good things. I thought he got gassed in the two-minute drill, and it showed up on the competitive ball down the sideline. He's a strong young man. I thought he did a nice job with yards after the catch, so thought he did some nice things.

And Harrell?

I didn't watch him specifically but obviously he flashed. I thought he had some good pass rushes there at the end, was very physical. I think as a whole our line did a number of positive things. We have to continue to get our pad level down. At times I felt our pad level was up on both sides of the ball, so those are some things we need to work on.

You came out throwing - was that something you scouted?

No, I had a couple of thoughts going on particularly with the younger group. I thought it was important for Brett to get some reps with the younger receivers. We actually did some run-pass things at the line of scrimmage. They went to press so we ended up leaning towards the pass. There were a couple of different things I wanted to see, and we accomplished them. Our execution wasn't what we probably would have liked, obviously, but I thought it was a good night's work.

Bretsky
08-12-2007, 09:25 AM
All good stuff; thanks for posting. I watched a replay

Views I have from that game:

Rodgers, who I've disliked in the past, is starting to look like he'll make it
The Packers starting offense looks like they have a long way to go
Dendy and Bigby had a sad game
Harrell has a ways to develop
The Packers Safety position besides Collins may again be in trouble
Brandon Jackson looked alright
James Jones looked solid
Cullen Jenkins is the real deal
KGB looked active
Boddiford needs to look more impressive in special teams to make it
Holiday did nothing to disappoint me

Green Bay should be spending this week calling other teams trying to trade the Fraud for a 7th round draft pick in 2020.

MadtownPacker
08-12-2007, 10:10 AM
So tell me tophat, what is "pecking order BS"?

TopHat
08-12-2007, 10:27 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/site/photographerphotos/gallery.aspx?catid=774

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=U0&Date=20070811&Category=PKRGAME&ArtNo=708110810&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1

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QB Favre talks with coach Mike McCarthy

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QB Favre

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QB Rodgers

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RB Jackson

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DT Jenkins scoops up a first quarter fumble

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WR Jones looked solid



Note: MP--"It's uninformed small talk many times 'okay' bonding."

TopHat
08-12-2007, 01:59 PM
http://packers.scout.com/2/667546.html

Johnnie Gray: Post-game review Former Packers safety Johnnie Gray returns to PackerReport.com to offer his thoughts of Green Bay's offense and defense in the wake of the Packers' 13-9 preseason win over Pittsburgh on Saturday night.

The Pack did okay for the first preseason game and took the first step toward being a much better team than many have predicted for the 2007 this season. Last week at the Family Night scrimmage, fans had a chance to see players get into position to make a play under somewhat game (3/4 speed under control) conditions. Against the Pittsburgh Steelers, the young players got their first taste of the game speed in the National Football League. Many didn’t get a feel until midway through the half and, unfortunately, for others, never did.

The defensive line is the strongest unit on this team. When was the last time the Packers had a pass rush with just four linemen on a consistent basis? On Saturday night, the guys showed why they have been given so much praise throughout camp. Every lineman had a hand in creating, being part of or making the play. No slackers in this unit. Cullen Jenkins continued to make plays, first round pick Justin Harrell, as he did last week showed off his strength and ability to get to the quarterback. The D-line is the heart of this team but a few things need to be taken care of first:

FORCE: Several times linebackers and defensive backs, when forcing the run, would come up and give up their body, thus creating a running lane. This week they will work on coming up to the line of scrimmage, squeeze the hole down, get pad level and stand their ground, not allowing the blocker to hook the outside arm but keeping it free to make the tackle.

TACKLING: Back in my day during two-a-days you found out in a hurry who could tackle at the NFL level. The ‘nutcracker,’ goal line and short yardage plays were ran every day to test your tackling skills and passion for the game. Coach McCarthy did just that last year in an evening practice after a poor performance. Defensive linemen and linebackers can miss tackles, but when safety Atari Bigby or any defensive back misses a tackle, it’s usually six points. It’s all about attitude.

FOCUS: Doing your job first will eliminate all mental mistakes. Pittsburgh receiver Santonio Holmes came from the other side of the field to make his 50-yard catch. The defender on that side jumped a shorter route leaving his deep zone open. When a receiver is leaving your area usually someone else is coming in. In zone, you are as deep as the deepest no matter where on the field.

All of the mistakes made by the secondary is correctable.

Offense

Quarterback Aaron Rodgers was the most impressive. In the past when playing with the second unit he would take off and run without hesitation and to me that’s not giving your lineman and receivers any faith. Last night his poise in the pocket and only using his scrambling ability when needed is a testament on how hard he worked this off-season to be a better quarterback. I talked with Rodgers last week and he mentioned that because he is such a perfectionist he worked extremely hard on doing a better job of controlling his emotions, which at times to get the better of him. He’s most proud of his fitness level and all the jump roping that he did. His frame is much leaner and his footwork is much quicker. Maturity. The Pack’s first-team offense struggled, but so did the Steelers and many do early in camp. I really would have been worried if the defense looked that bad.

The Leaper
08-13-2007, 08:09 AM
I thought the Packers did OK.

For one thing, you have to go into this game with the recognition that the Steelers had already played a preseason game. That is a pretty large advantage right there, especially for the 2nd and 3rd string guys.

So, for our 2nd and 3rd string to more or less dominate the Steelers is no small feat. It speaks to the depth we have now that wasn't there 2-3 years ago.

However, offensive playmakers are still sorely lacking. Driver is a nice WR, but he doesn't scare teams much in terms of getting behind them. Jennings is pretty much the same. Why Thompson let Javon Walker just walk out of Green Bay is beyond me. I hope he slaps himself every morning in front of the mirror over that foolish decision.

Good defenses will continue to frustrate our offense immensely because we have few threats 10 yards past the line of scrimmage, and our RBs aren't strong enough in pass blocking to give Favre time to let something develop downfield. Without a running game, we are going to struggle to get to 8 wins.

wist43
08-13-2007, 09:52 AM
A lot of good information there Top Hat, thanks for posting it.

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I've only thru the tape once, and only in a cursory fashion for the most part - I'll probably devote a couple of hours to looking at it tonight though.

That said, some things that stood out to me were:

- Starting offense was pathetic. Even though it's only the first preseason game, and the Steelers starting D is very stout, I think what we saw in the first quarter against the Steelers is what we're going to be seeing most of the seasion, i.e. receivers being smothered underneath, and the defense crowding the LOS daring the Packers to beat them over the top.

- The OL looked pedestrian at best. I watched Wells a few times, and even though he looks bigger he was still physically over matched at times. Colledge had a pathetic holding penalty. Jackson had no running room at all.

- James Jones looked OK, but that had more to do with the Steelers trotting out bartenders and bricklayers more than anything to do with Jones or Rodgers. He got free releases on just about every snap - so I think you have to take his numbers for this game with a grain of salt. Still, he can only take care of what's in front of him - he was OK.

- The starting defense looked pretty good. If the Packers are going to win games, they'll likely have to be of the 13-9 variety.

- Harrell is still pretty far behind. He's got to get it going... if we get all the way thru the preseason, and he still isn't at least holding his own, then I start to worry. As of now, he gets the free pass b/c of the injury/inactivity - that free pass has to expire at some point though.

- Bigby was very disappointing... I know he wants to prove he's a tough player/hitter, but he's got to learn to go low and take a guys legs out. He missed too many tackles, and misjudged a couple of balls in the air. May have played himself out of a shot at starting.

- Underwood struggled mightily as well. If Manuel is the starter, we've got problems back there.

- Special Teams looked terrible again. McCarthy gives lip service to improved ST play, but I think that's all it is - lip service. The Packers really aren't committed to improving their ST's.

Overall, it was about what I expected... apparently, our #3's are better than Pittsburghs - woo hoo!!!!

Saw nothing that would lead me to believe the Packers are going to be capable of moving the ball consistently; nor did I see anything on ST's that would lead me to believe any of our legion of problems there has been solved.

Brohm
08-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Special teams won't look good until the roster is more defined. Now they are just looking at bodies. A lot of players they drafted this year were specificaly special teams demons. Hopefully they can get them incorporated and have some consistancy for once.

Someone stepping up in the return department and distinguishing themselves would be great too. I think it will be sorted by the last preseason game. However, I would not expect to see leaps and bounds until some of the younger players take pride/establish a leadership role in ST...ala Henderson.

Harlan Huckleby
08-13-2007, 11:46 AM
- Harrell is still pretty far behind. He's got to get it going... if we get all the way thru the preseason, and he still isn't at least holding his own, then I start to worry. As of now, he gets the free pass b/c of the injury/inactivity - that free pass has to expire at some point though.

I find it embarrassing that McCarthy announced Harrell as the starting defensive tackle. How do you tell players in other job competitions that they are being fairly judged by performance?

Harrell's a guy who barely played his senior year of college. I'm not worried about Harrell, and he's not a bust if he takes until next season to become a starter. Ya, you want your first rounder to play, and in a few rare cases like AJ Hawk they arrive polished, but PLENTY of first rounders need a year of seasoning.

Scott Campbell
08-13-2007, 11:50 AM
I find it embarrassing that McCarthy announced Harrell as the starting defensive tackle. How do you tell players in other job competitions that they are being fairly judged by performance?


I don't see it as being a big deal. This isn't the O-Line, where starters play the entire game. There isn't a much of a difference between being a starter at DT vs. being a reserve. It has more to do with snap count at that position because of the way they rotate players.

And McCarthy still has time to send the right message if Harrell stinks things up. Example - Colledge was the starter last year too when camp opened, but lost his job.

Harlan Huckleby
08-13-2007, 11:58 AM
Ya, there are 8 guys on defensive line who play a lot.

But you can bet the players are intensely concious of who are named as the starters. It's a matter of pride, status & career, a.k.a. money. How happy do you suppose KGB was losing his starting status? If Corey Williams, say, is outplaying HArrell, don't you think he feels slighted?

Maybe not a big deal, but a deal.

RashanGary
08-13-2007, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the review Wist. You obviously watch the game multiple times, anylizing what happens on each play. I was acctually looking forward to what you had to say.

However, you take 12 offensive snaps against a defensive front that we rarely play and extrapolate that to what we can expect from the entire season.


I have 3 big question marks just like you:

1. Run game
2. ST's
3. Preventing the big play

I love the insight you bring as far as what happened, but how you put it together to project what we can expect is a lot pre-mature. I'm going to wait a full preseason and one full regular season game before I jump off the cliff.

HarveyWallbangers
08-13-2007, 12:42 PM
Maybe not a big deal, but a deal.

McCarthy said Harrell probably would start. That's because he has Harrell and Pickett as the starters in the base/run defense. Williams is the starter in the pressure/pass defense--where Jenkins would move inside and KGB would play RE. If a team came out in four wide sets, you can be sure Williams would be in there as fast as can be. Since most teams start out with their base defense, Harrell would likely be the starter most games. Does it mean anything to Williams? Maybe. Maybe not. He probably worries more about getting on the field than whether he's named the nominal starter. Most DTs are used to a rotation by their fourth year in the league. A vast majority of teams use a DT rotation.

Harlan Huckleby
08-13-2007, 12:53 PM
If Harrell is better than Corey Williams, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole, etc. he should prove it before being honored with the starter tag.

wist43
08-13-2007, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the review Wist. You obviously watch the game multiple times, anylizing what happens on each play. I was acctually looking forward to what you had to say.

However, you take 12 offensive snaps against a defensive front that we rarely play and extrapolate that to what we can expect from the entire season.


I have 3 big question marks just like you:

1. Run game
2. ST's
3. Preventing the big play

I love the insight you bring as far as what happened, but how you put it together to project what we can expect is a lot pre-mature. I'm going to wait a full preseason and one full regular season game before I jump off the cliff.

JH,

Of course it would be ridiculous to extrapolate 12 plays in a preseason game into a seasons worth of production, or lack thereof. What I extrapolate upon is recent history, personnel, and scheme.

Simply put, the Packers neither run the scheme nor possess the players that would force the defense to back off. Everybody runs drag routes, screens, hitches in the middle of the field, etc, but with no big play/deep threat, and a scheme disinclined to putting that type of pressure on a defense anyway, defenses can comfortably camp 8-9 guys, if not in the box, at least w/in a few yds of the LOS. Don't see that changing.

That lack of explosiveness both on the outside and up the seam with the TE creates all kinds of problems in the running game as well. Too many bodies too close to the LOS, smallish offensive linemen... every once in a while they may pop one, but having all those defenders crowding the LOS makes it very tough to create much running room.

Basically, I see a repeat of last year. The Packers could sometimes move the ball between the twenties, but when teams decided to tighten up, the Packers couldn't consistently move the ball.

We apparently have no TE, an argument could be made that the ground is even more suspect now 3 weeks into camp than it was at the start of camp, ST's don't look to be improved, etc...

Rodgers moving the ball against burger flippers isn't enough to have me drinking Kool-Aid.

wist43
08-13-2007, 01:53 PM
If Harrell is better than Corey Williams, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole, etc. he should prove it before being honored with the starter tag.

Based on performance, your starters would be Jolly and Williams.

Pickett looks pretty sluggish, Cole has been ok, Jolly has been the best DT all camp...

There was an article, or maybe it was just a blurb in the JS, that said Harrell was being w/held from going up against any of the starting offensive linemen for fear of hurting his confidence... by performance he's probably 5th on the depth chart; by status, he's top two - if not #1.

Harlan Huckleby
08-13-2007, 09:47 PM
Defensive tackles are paid first and foremost to stuff the run and tie-up blockers. The best two defensive tackles will start in the base defense.

The argument that being a starter doesn't matter because of rotation is baloney, every starting job is a prize. It's like saying it doesn't matter who wins the starting halfback job - Heron's coming in on third down.

I expect on opening day the two best defensive tackles will be starting. Maybe the coaches chose to name Harrell as a starter early to put more pressure on him, motivate him in some way.

wist43
08-14-2007, 07:34 AM
Defensive tackles are paid first and foremost to stuff the run and tie-up blockers. The best two defensive tackles will start in the base defense.

The argument that being a starter doesn't matter because of rotation is baloney, every starting job is a prize. It's like saying it doesn't matter who wins the starting halfback job - Heron's coming in on third down.

I expect on opening day the two best defensive tackles will be starting. Maybe the coaches chose to name Harrell as a starter early to put more pressure on him, motivate him in some way.

Harrell will be a regular part of the DT rotation. In terms of %??? JH gave a detailed breakdown of PT, don't remember what he came up with... off the top of my head I'd figure Harrell to be 4th in snaps.

He's got talent, he's just way behind in terms of strength and conditioning - to the point where his rookie season will probably look pretty disappointing. Even if he struggles this year, I'll hold out hope that he'll be good long term.