What would you like to see more next preseason game???

[packers11]

My 5 would be :

1. Clowny on KR/PR as the feature guy, I want to see if he can put his speed on game time situations... (WE NEED A PLAYMAKER HERE)

2. Favre in for a bit longer to build up chemistry...

3. Packers use simple blitz packages a bit more (I know its preseason and your not supposed to give anything away, but it would be nice to see a bit more blitzing)

4. Have Rouse in there with the second string, (I remember he came in a lot later in the game)

5. Have MANUEL have more reps... In my opinion the packers need to see if this guy is still the old Manuel of last season...

[HarveyWallbangers]

My 5 would be :

1. Clowny on KR/PR as the feature guy, I want to see if he can put his speed on game time situations... (WE NEED A PLAYMAKER HERE)

2. Favre in for a bit longer to build up chemistry...

3. Packers use simple blitz packages a bit more (I know its preseason and your not supposed to give anything away, but it would be nice to see a bit more blitzing)

4. Have Rouse in there with the second string, (I remember he came in a lot later in the game)

5. Have MANUEL have more reps... In my opinion the packers need to see if this guy is still the old Manuel of last season...

1. I'm starting to think Clowney doesn't make the team. It would be nice if we were able to give him a year on the practice squad. Will Blackmon made a statement in this game. He has a legitimate chance of being the return man if he keeps it up in the next three games.
2. I would like to see more 3 and 4 WR sets with him there when he's in there, so he can build continuity with Jones. However, the other guys were all on the team last year. I'd rather not expose him to injury. He can build continuity in practice.
3. If their front four continues to rush the passer, they won't be a big blitz team this year, and I'd prefer them not to show anything to their regular season opponents.
4. I'd agree. First team even.
5. I'd agree.

[woodbuck27]

We need to see something more positive in our running game.

Favre need more rep's. to develop cohesiveness with our Number 1 'O'.

We need to see who will be our guy on KO's and punts.

[SkinBasket]

1. Zero minutes from Dendy.

2. Our two starting CBs on the field.

3. Anyone but Atari, Marquad, or Underwood at safety.

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

5. Jesus put his hands on Herron and turn him into a real running back.

[Partial]

1. Zero minutes from Dendy.

2. Our two starting CBs on the field.

3. Anyone but Atari, Marquad, or Underwood at safety.

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

5. Jesus put his hands on Herron and turn him into a real running back.

The 5-2 seems like a good idea on first downs. I'd like to see some experimentation, too.

[GBRulz]

More passes to the TE's, so see which ones can actually catch the ball.

[Packnut]

1. Zero minutes from Dendy.

2. Our two starting CBs on the field.

3. Anyone but Atari, Marquad, or Underwood at safety.

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

5. Jesus put his hands on Herron and turn him into a real running back.


I'll take the first 4. As for #5, even Jesus could'nt accomplish THAT miracle. Had that been a real game, Favre would have gotten hammered big time cause Herron missed a blitz pick-up. No excuse on earth for that. However, due to Mr Thompson's dis-belief in experience when it comes to the RB position, Herron ain't going no where cause he's all we got.......

[Packnut]

More passes to the TE's, so see which ones can actually catch the ball.

MY bet is NONE of them. Bubba can block but not catch. Lee might catch but can't block. May-be you can whip up some kind of magic and combine Bubba and Lee into 1.

[Packnut]

And BEFORE the usual suspects post on my criticism of Lee's blocking or lack of it.

http://pu2006.typepad.com/packer_update/

[pittstang5]

Defense not to give up big plays, especially the secondary.

Something that I'm still POed about is on 3rd and 17, Batch hit Young up the middle and ColecoVision Bigby (he doesn't deserve to be called Atari anymore) whiffed big time.

Advise for ColecoVision - Just make the tackle and stop trying to lay the wood. Sure, big hits are cool, but a conversion of 3rd and 17 for a touchdown is just unacceptable.

[Jerry Tagge]

More passes to the TE's, so see which ones can actually catch the ball.
Don't you mean more passes to Zac Alcorn? :D

[Bossman641]

A RUNNING GAME!!!

[Badgepack]

A win at home.

[The Leaper]

1. I'm starting to think Clowney doesn't make the team. It would be nice if we were able to give him a year on the practice squad. Will Blackmon made a statement in this game. He has a legitimate chance of being the return man if he keeps it up in the next three games.

I agree. We just have too much young depth to develop to keep a guy on the roster merely as a specialist on kick returns...unless he is absolutely phenominal. Tripping over your own shoestrings, as Clowney did on a return the other night, isn't phenominal.


3. If their front four continues to rush the passer, they won't be a big blitz team this year, and I'd prefer them not to show anything to their regular season opponents.


True, although blitzing becomes even more effective when the front four is able to get disruption. I'd like to see more development in terms of delayed blitzes and run blitzes.

[The Leaper]

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like this last week too. I think it is a great idea to look at. A 5-2 defense with Hawk and Barnett as the LBs certainly could do some damage on early downs, and be a real problem for teams with receiving threats at TE.

[OS PA]

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like this last week too. I think it is a great idea to look at. A 5-2 defense with Hawk and Barnett as the LBs certainly could do some damage on early downs, and be a real problem for teams with receiving threats at TE.

This would completely nullify Poppinga's position, and why have Barnett in there when Poppinga is by far the better pass rusher?

[PackerBlues]

Before our next preseason game, I would like to see Fergy get cut. The last thing I want to see during the next preseason game is Fergy getting injured and getting a huge injury settlement before the team can cut him.

During the game, I simply want to see our starting Offense put together a long scoring drive against the other teams starting Defense.
Then, I want to see our starting Defense pressuring the opposing QB.
Other than that, no injuries, and improvement from the rookies.

[Joemailman]

I'd like to see our starting defensive backfield on the field together to start developing some chemistry and communication which was obviously lacking last year.

I'd like to see Bubba catch the ball so he doesn't get booed out of the place.

I'd like to see Zac Alcorn get more reps.

I'd like to see some kickoff returns out past the 20 yard line.

I'd like to see Aaron Rouse in the 1st half.

I'd like to see some decent running plays against Seattle's #1 defense.

[SkinBasket]

This would completely nullify Poppinga's position, and why have Barnett in there when Poppinga is by far the better pass rusher?

At first I thought you were joking, but I guess you weren't. Part of the appeal would be "nullifying" Poppinga. I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that he's a "far better" anything than Barnett, much less pass rusher, but he's really not. He looked improved in the PIT game from last year, but improvement on complete ineptitude isn't much to get excited about. I don't really see much of a need for a LB to be rushing the QB in a 5-2 running situation anyway, since in theory he wouldn't have th ball, but that's just me.

The other issue would be that Poppinga still hasn't demonstrated he can cover anything with more speed than a ham sandwich. When the opposing QB saw Poppinga out there in a 5-2, he would start drooling before he called the audible to a short cross pattern.

Don't matter much anyway, as I doubt Sanders is interested in trying new things, even if your old things suck. We still have Shittenhimer as evidence of that.

[BallHawk]

I'd like to see Zac Alcorn get more reps.

I can think of a few people that would agree with that statement. :wink:

[Brandon494]

1. I'm starting to think Clowney doesn't make the team. It would be nice if we were able to give him a year on the practice squad. Will Blackmon made a statement in this game. He has a legitimate chance of being the return man if he keeps it up in the next three games.

This guy will make the team on speed alone. book it!

[BallHawk]

I'd like to see Tramon Williams and Jarrett Bush play a bit more.

Brandon Jackson more involved in the passing game.

Get the TEs not named Bubba more involved.

[KYPack]

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like this last week too. I think it is a great idea to look at. A 5-2 defense with Hawk and Barnett as the LBs certainly could do some damage on early downs, and be a real problem for teams with receiving threats at TE.

Lemme vote a huge "HAIL NO" here.

A 5-2 on run downs?

Run downs, schmun downs, there ain't a decent offense in the league that wouldn't pass our asses silly with that alignment.

Teams run a 5-2 in special situations, but you can't make a living running a 5-2.

It's neat to think about bc we finally have 3 DT's that could do that kind of thing, but it wouldn't work worth shit.

Fer instance, you wanna put our safeties more at risk by reducing their underneath help?

Don't think so.

[Him8123]

Better pass coverage

Better running game, which includes the O-line opening up more holes

And better play by the tight ends.....somebody other than JJ please catch the ball

[Bretsky]

Boddiford---I want to see if he is a serious enough of a threat as a return man to keep around

Clowney--I want to see if he his explosive speed is close enough to developing to keep around

Rouse-- I want to see if we have anybody capable at Safety

Harrell- Work the guy into shape since he's clearly not there yet

[Joemailman]

I was actually impressed with one of the receptions that Bodiford had. The ball was thrown a little behind him, but he was able to catch it and show good speed turning upfield. He needs to keep showing he can contribute to the passing game to make the team. Just being a returner won't cut it.

[RashanGary]

I want to see the #1 offense and defense play short amounts of time like last week so we can get a final determination on the last part of the roster before cut downs.

In the #1 offense's short stint, I'd like to see them run the ball effectively. I'd like to see us score points with the #1's

I'd like to see the #1 D play tough and stop the Seahawks #1 offense

I'd like to see more of the same from Rodgers

I'd like to see Jennings look 100% healthy, practice all week and then make a big play

Other than that, I'd like to see some of our 2's or 3's step up and make the roster decisions easy.

[SkinBasket]

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like this last week too. I think it is a great idea to look at. A 5-2 defense with Hawk and Barnett as the LBs certainly could do some damage on early downs, and be a real problem for teams with receiving threats at TE.

Lemme vote a huge "HAIL NO" here.

A 5-2 on run downs?

Run downs, schmun downs, there ain't a decent offense in the league that wouldn't pass our asses silly with that alignment.

Teams run a 5-2 in special situations, but you can't make a living running a 5-2.

It's neat to think about bc we finally have 3 DT's that could do that kind of thing, but it wouldn't work worth shit.

Fer instance, you wanna put our safeties more at risk by reducing their underneath help?

Don't think so.

Note the bold in the original quote. Some running downs. Not all.

Second, with the starting CBs we have, running a 5-2 against a 2 WR 1 TE, or even 2 TE, formation shouldn't be an issue. Once again, I am referring back to the SOME running downs. I don't think anyone here has inferred GB can "make a living" in a 5-2 alignment. Just that it could be a useful tool against certain offensive sets.

[swede]

In the second preseason game I'd like to see Brett and the first string look sharper and score after a long drive featuring a good mix of run and pass.

I'd like to see Brandon Jackson and the O-line build off their second half performance in the running game.

I'd like to see Rouse, Blackmon, Bush, and some of the other kids push hard for starting roles at safety and #3 corner. Keep the young talent coming and pushing and let the best players get on the field.

I'd like to see special teams start to look at least somewhat coherent for the first time since the Holmgren era.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'd like to see the first string offense get a first down.

I'd like to see Morency sitting on the bench, even though he reportedly is returning to camp this week. the Packers are going to need him in regular season, no need to rush him back.

I'd like to see Jackson break a nice run against the first team defense. Show some good reads of the defense.

[GrnBay007]

I'd like to see the first string offense get a first down.



Do you really need an excuse to do a shot? :P :wink:

[esoxx]

1. I'm starting to think Clowney doesn't make the team. It would be nice if we were able to give him a year on the practice squad. Will Blackmon made a statement in this game. He has a legitimate chance of being the return man if he keeps it up in the next three games.

This guy will make the team on speed alone. book it!

Okay homer.

[Iron Mike]

1. Johnnie Gray punch Drew Smith in the face.

2. Johnnie Gray kick Drew Smith in the 'nads.

3. A replay of when the Three Amigos went to Holmgren's house on Hallowe'en.

4. More candid shots of the McCarthy family at work, rest and play.

5. Jason Spitz' freshman picture.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/03-04roster/HS_spitz_jason.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

5. Jason Spitz' freshman picture.
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/lou/sports/m-footbl/03-04roster/HS_spitz_jason.jpg

That never gets old. Put a big, red nose on the man and you have yourself a mighty fine clown.
:D

[Iron Mike]

3. A replay of when the Three Amigos went to Holmgren's house on Hallowe'en.


It was Beebe. Chewy must have been at a high school party. :P

Packer Halloween Fun (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IstSwThx9is)

[The Leaper]

Note the bold in the original quote. Some running downs. Not all.

Agreed. It should be used as something to keep the offense honest.

I doubt a team could "pass us to death" in a 5-2. We seem to have the potential to get a lot of pressure and penetration with our basic front four, and we have highly capable CBs on the edge that excel at disrupting receivers at the line of scrimmage. With 5 strong players on the DL, the offense can't think they are going to take 5 step drops and have all day back there to pass.

Think about it...you are merely substituting Poppinga (a marginal coverage guy anyway) for KGB. What we lose in coverage ability from Pop I think is more than made up for in pocket pressure from KGB and the gang. So I challenge those who claim we would be "passed to death" in such a scheme to explain themselves.

[The Leaper]

Fer instance, you wanna put our safeties more at risk by reducing their underneath help?

They seem to enjoy biting on underneath stuff anyway even when help is there.

[Merlin]

1) Legitimate backup QB competition ~ Meaning let the other two play more then a few downs. Rodgers has gotten the bulk of snaps in the pre-season for three years running. It would be nice to level the playing field and give Martin and Thompson the same advantages Rodgers has had. I know one of them will surprise us.

2) Quit bashing Herron. A missed block, oh know, the guy sucks, cut him. How about you look at what he did that was good (you know, hoe you do that with the other rookies and Rodgers).

3) First Team O on the field the entire first half. It's apparent that they are not in sync.

4) Harrell gets cut.

5) Ferguson gets the boot.

[The Leaper]

1) Legitimate backup QB competition ~ Meaning let the other two play more then a few downs.

Why?

Rodgers looked solid the other night...why not continue to give the guy live reps in game action so he is ready when he has to step in as a starter? I do not think there is any evidence from practice or otherwise that either Martin or Thompson has the tools at this point to seriously challenge Rodgers...and a couple throws in preseason against the 3rd string isn't going to change that.

[the_idle_threat]

Leaper,

Review #4 on the list above, and then decide whether it's even worth responding to such drivel.

I say the clue phone is ringing, but I don't think he'd know how to operate it.

[Jerry Tagge]

I'd like to see the Packers bring back Samkon Gado so we can start up Sam's Club again. I miss it.

[KYPack]

Note the bold in the original quote. Some running downs. Not all.

Agreed. It should be used as something to keep the offense honest.

I doubt a team could "pass us to death" in a 5-2. We seem to have the potential to get a lot of pressure and penetration with our basic front four, and we have highly capable CBs on the edge that excel at disrupting receivers at the line of scrimmage. With 5 strong players on the DL, the offense can't think they are going to take 5 step drops and have all day back there to pass.

Think about it...you are merely substituting Poppinga (a marginal coverage guy anyway) for KGB. What we lose in coverage ability from Pop I think is more than made up for in pocket pressure from KGB and the gang. So I challenge those who claim we would be "passed to death" in such a scheme to explain themselves.

Hey, is that me?

Yeah, we would be tossed on and run off the field by trying to implement a 5-2 in "run downs".

What is a run down?

1st & 10?
2 & long?
3rd and short?

These teams have coaches. We play a 5 man front on "run downs" we are gonna have teams throw on us a lot. They wouldn't have to mess our stellar CB's, there would be a lot of room underneath for the backs and TE's. But, out safeties might have a little trouble with the 3 receiver sets teams would run on us.

This type of front would require a lot of adjustment in our current D. We play a 4-3 with the LB's sheltered, the safeties back and centered, and CB's on the island.

Now we go 5-2. Who is the nose tackle? Do Harrell and Williams play a gap or a 3 technique? Where do the LB's play. Two of 'em sheltered with no Mike or with Hawk to the strong side, or what. How about the safeties? centered but up, or over the corners?

Our young DLine is great and growing. Now you are gonna tell 3 of 'em ( the Ends too, really) to learn new jobs? That will mess with the continuity. Skin backed up and said to do it situation-ally. A couple 3 times a game/ sure. But not as a base D. You are disrupting too much for a negligible gain.

It ain't gonna happen for a lotta reasons, some I've detailed above.

[woodbuck27]

1. Zero minutes from Dendy.

2. Our two starting CBs on the field.

3. Anyone but Atari, Marquad, or Underwood at safety.

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

5. Jesus put his hands on Herron and turn him into a real running back.


I'll take the first 4. As for #5, even Jesus could'nt accomplish THAT miracle. Had that been a real game, Favre would have gotten hammered big time cause Herron missed a blitz pick-up. No excuse on earth for that. However, due to Mr Thompson's dis-belief in experience when it comes to the RB position, Herron ain't going no where cause he's all we got.......

Noah (hands on hin . . Jeeesusss) Herron :) is likely the best we have.

Now. . . think about that possibility and be very very concerned.

[woodbuck27]

I'd like to see the Packers bring back Samkon Gado so we can start up Sam's Club again. I miss it.

Mike Sherman says. . . .

Hahahahahahahaha! Screw em !!!! :)

[woodbuck27]

4. A five man front of Kampman, Cole, Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins with Hawk and Barnett backing them on some running downs. We have a strength, we should use it.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like this last week too. I think it is a great idea to look at. A 5-2 defense with Hawk and Barnett as the LBs certainly could do some damage on early downs, and be a real problem for teams with receiving threats at TE.

Lemme vote a huge "HAIL NO" here.

A 5-2 on run downs?

Run downs, schmun downs, there ain't a decent offense in the league that wouldn't pass our asses silly with that alignment.

Teams run a 5-2 in special situations, but you can't make a living running a 5-2.

It's neat to think about bc we finally have 3 DT's that could do that kind of thing, but it wouldn't work worth shit.

Fer instance, you wanna put our safeties more at risk by reducing their underneath help?

Don't think so.

Yes and don't forget our pass coverage no shows last season,especially in the first half of the schedule.

The invisable curtain. Invisable to Packer fans. Pathetic.

[The Leaper]

What is a run down?

We don't need to do it in specific circumstances...just throw it out there once in awhile to give the defense something to think about. The Packers just haven't done enough on either side of the ball in this regard recently, which is why other teams seem to have our number offensively.


These teams have coaches. We play a 5 man front on "run downs" we are gonna have teams throw on us a lot. They wouldn't have to mess our stellar CB's, there would be a lot of room underneath for the backs and TE's. But, out safeties might have a little trouble with the 3 receiver sets teams would run on us.

That is why no one suggested making a habit of it or making it a base package. This thread is about what we would like to see in a PRESEASON GAME. Hell...throw it out there for fun and see what happens. Nothing counts at this point, so why not make a go of it? It at least would keep opposing offenses guessing when they break down film of preseason.


Now we go 5-2. Who is the nose tackle? Do Harrell and Williams play a gap or a 3 technique? Where do the LB's play. Two of 'em sheltered with no Mike or with Hawk to the strong side, or what. How about the safeties? centered but up, or over the corners?

You don't think the offense will have similar problems? 5 guys on the DL, all with the capacity to collapse the pocket and make plays, brings about some interesting blocking scenarios they need to work out. You can't just send out all your TEs and RBs into pass patterns, or the QB will be eating mud when Kampman and Jenkins toss aside their blockers. They will be used to seeing 4 man lines, so the 5th guy suddenly is something different for them that they aren't used to either.

I just think you are dismissing the pass rush threat we could pose with KGB-Jenkins-Harrell or Jolly-Williams-Kampman out on the field. Who cares what "technique" they play? Tell them to beat the guy in front of them and get after the QB...because, as you point out, it is likely the offense will try to pass in those situations. Do you honestly think that is too much for these guys to comprehend...when they've been doing it since teenagers?

Ultimately, no one knows what could happen. It could work, it could fail. That is what the preseason is for...to tweak some things and see what happens when the score doesn't count. All I know is that our DL is the greatest strength of the team, so why not try to utilize it as effectively as possible in as many ways as possible?

[BEARMAN]

I would like to see the pakers cheerleaders perform nekkid, ... :wow: :bclap: :wave: