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08-22-2007, 12:17 AM
From Tom Pelissero (http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/PKR01/708210491/1989)

The changes were evident from the first snap in Monday night's practice.


Atari Bigby and Jarrett Bush are in, and Marquand Manuel and Patrick Dendy are out of the Green Bay Packers' secondary — at least for now.


Bigby worked alongside Nick Collins at safety, and Bush lined up as the third cornerback in the starting nickel defense throughout practice. Afterward, coach Mike McCarthy said Bigby and Bush had earned the privilege of emerging from the Lambeau Field tunnel with the starters when the Packers host the Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday night.


Even if coaches can't be sure how the second-year pros will respond to their promotions.


"That's what you don't know, and that's what you don't know about a number of our guys, and that's why we're creating the opportunities," McCarthy said.


The switches represent a 40 percent turnover of the Packers' starting secondary last season. Manuel started all 16 games at strong safety, while Dendy was the primary No. 3 cornerback, a position utilized on roughly half of all snaps.


But Bigby and Bush were two of the biggest stars in Saturday's preseason victory over the Seattle Seahawks, recording two sacks and two interceptions, respectively. While that performance isn't entirely responsible for their augmented roles, it at least expedited their ascent.


It's a been a dramatic rise for both players. Each was released in the final roster cutdown last Sept. 2 — Bigby by the Packers and Bush by the Carolina Panthers, from whom the Packers claimed him.


Bigby also was cut twice in 2005, in May by the Miami Dolphins and in the final cutdown by the New York Jets. He was out of the NFL for nearly two months before the Packers signed him to the practice squad.


Bigby is an athletic upgrade over Manuel, who floundered in his first season as a Packer, but only has played six defensive snaps in regular-season NFL games.


McCarthy praised the "impact play ability" Bigby displayed as he forced a fumble on one sack and nearly leap-frogged a Seahawks blocker for the other.


"Now we want to see if he can do it from the beginning of the football game," McCarthy said. "It's a little different … running out there as the No. 2 versus the No. 1."


McCarthy said Manuel will get roughly the same number of snaps with the No. 1 defense in spite of his demotion. He worked alongside rookie Aaron Rouse as the second pairing Monday.


If Manuel doesn't perform in a reserve role, the Packers may choose to release him rather than paying his $1.26 million base salary this season.


As for Bush, who played 15 snaps on defense as a rookie last year, McCarthy said:


"It's really all his work. For as good as he played on defense, I felt he played better on special teams. He's a very physical football player, tough kid. He's only going to get better, and he deserves the opportunity to run out there with the first group."


Dendy worked as the No. 4 cornerback Monday, with Will Blackmon and Frank Walker continuing to work behind the top four. The Packers will keep at least five cornerbacks on the 53-man roster.


In the locker room earlier Monday, Bush lamented dropping what would have been his third interception Saturday night.


He has much more important things to worry about.


"I'm just going to keep doing what got me here," Bush said. "I can't get big-headed after the game I had. I played well, (but) I've got to keep striving."

HarveyWallbangers
08-22-2007, 09:27 AM
Safety battle likely down to backups
By Pete Dougherty

The Green Bay Packers selected Aaron Rouse with a third-round draft pick this year to be one of three contenders to possibly knock Marquand Manuel out of the starting lineup at safety.

But after a full offseason and 3½ weeks into training camp, the Packers appear to have never given Rouse or anyone other than Atari Bigby serious consideration for overtaking Manuel. Bigby began taking a few snaps with the starters last week in practice and will start along side Nick Collins in this Thursday's preseason game against Jacksonville.

Though Rouse probably has had more snaps in practice than any of the Packers' backup safeties, almost all but one or two came with the Nos. 2 or 3 defenses, not the starters. Whether the Packers would have been better served by also giving him a look with the starters remains open for debate, but coach Mike McCarthy and defensive coordinator Bob Sanders decided that Bigby's speed, aggressiveness and experience (he's played in NFL Europa and been in the NFL since 2005) put him well ahead of the third-round draft pick from Virginia Tech.

So barring injuries, either Bigby or Manuel will be starting opposite Collins in the regular-season opener Sept. 9 against Philadelphia.

"We've got the right three guys right now," said Kurt Schottenheimer, the Packers' secondary coach, of starting Collins and either Manuel or Bigby at safety. "Those three guys all have a chance to be very, very good players right now. Not to say Rouse is not, but we need to find out about that one position."

Though Manuel was a weak link in the secondary last year after the Packers signed him in free agency, they gave him the vast majority of snaps with the starters for the first three weeks of training camp, until Bigby took the majority in this short week that consisted of only two full practices. The team's coaching staff continues to praise Manuel publicly, especially for his ability to quarterback the secondary, and says he's a better player after recovering this offseason from a severe groin injury that slowed him last year.

"I know (Manuel) has taken a lot of heat and so forth, some justifiable but much of it not," Schottenheimer said. "He is playing very well right now, he is different than he was a year ago simply because he's healthier."

But if Manuel has been better in this camp, the difference isn't big, and he's done nothing to distinguish himself among the safeties. Bigby, on the other hand, showed good range in coverage in offseason practices, and though he missed an open-field tackle that allowed Pittsburgh's Walter Young to score a 41-yard touchdown in the exhibition opener, he wasn't responsible, as it first appeared, for another big play in that game. On a 49-yard completion on which Santonio Holmes got behind the Packers' secondary, Bigby had run-game responsibilities and was supposed to play bracket coverage in front of any deep routes, while cornerback Will Blackmon was supposed to play off Holmes and stay behind him at all times.

Just as importantly, Bigby also had two eye-catching sacks last week in a four-tackle performance against Seattle and has shown better overall athletic ability than Manuel.

Now, after an unpromising start to his NFL career, Bigby stands a good chance of becoming a starter this season. He entered the NFL as an undrafted rookie out of Central Florida in 2005, was cut by both Miami and the New York Jets before the '05 season began, then played in six regular-season games with the Packers over the last two years combined, with longer stints on their practice squad both seasons as well. He also played in NFL Europa in 2006, an experience that showed in his play last year in offseason practices before a broken hand in the Family Night scrimmage of training camp blew his chances of making the opening-day roster.

"That's all a guy like me can ask for, to get a shot," Bigby said.

In turn, if Manuel isn't the starter for the regular-season opener, there's a chance he might not even make the final 53-man roster only a year after General Manager Ted Thompson signed him to a five-year, $10 million contract that included a $1.5 million signing bonus.

The Packers probably will keep four safeties, with Collins, Bigby and Rouse almost surely taking three spots. If the 28-year-old Manuel doesn't start, the Packers might prefer to keep one of their two second-year safeties, Tyrone Culver or Charlie Peprah — as a special-teams player and developmental prospect.

The Packers cut third-year pro Marviel Underwood on Tuesday because they wanted to make sure Bigby, Rouse, Manuel, Culver and Peprah will get plenty of snaps in this week's game. Underwood simply wasn't the same player yet after coming back from torn anterior-cruciate and medial-collateral ligaments in his right knee.

"Those things will be sorted out, obviously," Schottenheimer said. "But those are the good problems you have. If you can tell me there's a guy we're going to keep over (Manuel), then I'd be thrilled, not because that's what I want, but that means someone is a talented player."

Fritz
08-22-2007, 09:47 AM
Hey, when can we start knocking Schottenheimer? I'm getting a little antsy. Maybe I can blame him for Underwood not recovering well enough? Or maybe Manuel's inability to step up can be pinned on Schottenheimer.

Yeah baby!

The Leaper
08-22-2007, 09:53 AM
Schotty sucks...but a dominant DL can make any DB coach look like a genius.

Bretsky
08-22-2007, 10:13 AM
Hey, when can we start knocking Schottenheimer? I'm getting a little antsy. Maybe I can blame him for Underwood not recovering well enough? Or maybe Manuel's inability to step up can be pinned on Schottenheimer.

Yeah baby!

After Game One when his safeties forget who to cover :lol: