ELI MANNING

[Bretsky]

Cleared to play this week if he can handle the pain per ESPN

[MJZiggy]

Good. It's his throwing shoulder. It's gotta effect his accuracy and arm strength.

[falco]

I'd still be surprised if he played. According to ESPN:


Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Alabama, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings, a source said.

However, two sources said again on Tuesday Manning does have a slightly separated shoulder. The Giants have varied on their official report, calling it either a contusion of the A-C joint or a shoulder sprain.

"It's medical word games," a source close to Manning said. "He's got a second-degree separation -- that comes from the Giants' doctor [Russ Warren], who did the hands-on exam and thought it could be a month … three or four weeks.

"Dr. Andrews admitted that he doesn't have the benefit of a hands-on exam, but he was encouraged by the MRI. There's no structural damage, but there is a little soreness and some swelling. He thinks that it could be a week-to-week deal, but that's not an absolute. It's encouraging but there has to be some caution exercised here."

[MTPackerfan]

pretty risky, they could lose him for the season if he gets hurt worse.

[OS PA]

I'm guessing he has the same thing that happened to me this summer. I was playing around with some friends and I ran at a friend who was in the middle of street. I didn't mean to hit him, but he zigged when he should have zagged, and all 280 pounds of me couldn't stop, so I wound up destroying both of us and landing with my hip bone on my wallet, I couldn't walk right for about a week, because the bruising and swelling was so bad, and it was really tight for about a month. These bruises that make some players sit for a week or two, are not your run of the mill bruises, they hurt like hell and cause things to stop working properly.

With that said, if this is on his throwing shoulder I sure as hell don't think he'd be at 100% to play this week.

[Lurker64]

Clearly, the best thing for the Giants to do would be to sit him this week so that he can rest his shoulder and play him the week after. No need to rush him out there and get him hurt in a non-division game after all.

[MadtownPacker]

Im glad he is gonna play. I bet Jenkins and Kamp would agree.

[mmmdk]

Bring on Eli...boys do cry.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Eli's Coming!!

The A/C joint may hurt but it should not interfere with his mechanics too much. They will inject it with a local and he should play.

[gbpackfan]

Don't believe what the Giants are telling you. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Eli is NOT playing. The Giants are trying to hide his injury to make it more difficult for opposing teams to game plan. That's my take on it.

[MJZiggy]

Even if he does play, think of the first sack that lands him on that side...

[Rastak]

From espn this morning:



A second opinion on Eli Manning's shoulder offered encouraging news to the New York Giants quarterback on Tuesday, sources confirmed.



Manning
Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Alabama, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings, a source said.

However, two sources said again on Tuesday Manning does have a slightly separated shoulder. The Giants have varied on their official report, calling it either a contusion of the A-C joint or a shoulder sprain.

"It's medical word games," a source close to Manning said. "He's got a second-degree separation -- that comes from the Giants' doctor [Russ Warren], who did the hands-on exam and thought it could be a month … three or four weeks.

"Dr. Andrews admitted that he doesn't have the benefit of a hands-on exam, but he was encouraged by the MRI. There's no structural damage, but there is a little soreness and some swelling. He thinks that it could be a week-to-week deal, but that's not an absolute. It's encouraging but there has to be some caution exercised here."

Manning himself has said that he was not in a great deal of pain and believed he has a chance of playing Sunday against the Green Bay Packers in a home opener.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I'm guessing he has the same thing that happened to me this summer. I was playing around with some friends and I ran at a friend who was in the middle of street. I didn't mean to hit him, but he zigged when he should have zagged, and all 280 pounds of me couldn't stop, so I wound up destroying both of us and landing with my hip bone on my wallet, I couldn't walk right for about a week, because the bruising and swelling was so bad, and it was really tight for about a month. These bruises that make some players sit for a week or two, are not your run of the mill bruises, they hurt like hell and cause things to stop working properly.

With that said, if this is on his throwing shoulder I sure as hell don't think he'd be at 100% to play this week.
Wait, so Eli's shoulder fell on his wallet? Why was his wallet by his shoulder during a game? I've seen cigarette packs rolled up in shirt sleeves but never a wallet.

[Jerry Tagge]

I hope Eli plays because all I'll hear at work is how the Packers would have lost if Eli played.

Just like the Bears would have won the Super Bowl if Rexy played.

[Lurker64]

Just like the Bears would have won the Super Bowl if Rexy played.

Played for the Colts, you mean?

[packinpatland]

"if he can handle the pain per ESPN"

He's going up against the 'Iron Man' of football, who's played with every kind of pain. That statement made me laugh outloud! :lol: :lol:
:lol:

[Him8123]

either its him or lorenzen the 285 pound QB, I still see a Defense salivating at this one

[CaliforniaCheez]

Yes a hit from Jenkins or KGB would likely land him on his right shoulder. Eli's body weight plus that of the rusher could worsen the sprain.

Kampmann might hit the shoulder directly which won't be as damaging.

If he gets a local injection of pain killer he could stay in the game until the damage affects his throwing.

[4and12to12and4]

Eli Manning is the most overrated QB in the entire NFL. It will be proven against the Packers since he has no backfield. Tiki, you better take your tie off, unless you want your ex-qb sacked about 7 times and picked 3 this week. His arm is weak, and his vision is slightly better than Vicks, unfortunately, he can't run. He's going to find out what a REAL defense looks like real soon here. Good luck young man, you're gonna need it.

[Rastak]

"if he can handle the pain per ESPN"

He's going up against the 'Iron Man' of football, who's played with every kind of pain. That statement made me laugh outloud! :lol: :lol:
:lol:


Seperated shoulder vs sore thumb? We all think Favre's record is pretty good, but if you are hurt and you are going to hurt the team, or screw your season you should sit your ass down.

[b bulldog]

Agree that he is overrated but it must really be awful to be Payton's brother when you play the same position in the same league. I almost feel sorry for him until I remember how much he makes. :cry:

[4and12to12and4]

I can't stand him. I would never pity him. He did a long interview for ESPN Magazine last year, and was very harsh on Peyton, calling him a perfectionist and saying that he is too controlling and emotional, and that his teammates like that he is more down to earth and "unshakeable" and doesn't panic, always has the same frame of mind, basically one upping Peyton. Haven't liked him since. Plus, of all the games I've watched him play I have never seen ANYTHING more than a decent QB with no special talents. I'd take a Schaub or Trent Green over him any day of the week. He sucks.

[b bulldog]

P Manning can be a perfectionist, he is almost perfect as a qb.

[4and12to12and4]

P Manning can be a perfectionist, he is almost perfect as a qb.

Well, if you would've read the article, you would've been shocked. It was very demeaning to Peyton and I was shocked at some of the shit he said negatively about his brother. He sold him out, and made it sound like he is a better teammate. Even if it's true, you don't say that shit to the press. He put Peyton under the bus, and I lost complete respect for him. I didn't have much after the way he handled the draft in the first place, but that article was BS.

[Rastak]

You ever have a rivalry with your brother? I can only imagine how competitive the Manning family must have been. Much more intense than the average family I'm guessing.

[4and12to12and4]

I've already thought all that through. So, go kick his ass in the back yard, don't talk shit about him like a jealous little prick to millions of people. That's just wrong.

[the_idle_threat]

P Manning can be a perfectionist, he is almost perfect as a qb.

Well, if you would've read the article, you would've been shocked. It was very demeaning to Peyton and I was shocked at some of the shit he said negatively about his brother. He sold him out, and made it sound like he is a better teammate. Even if it's true, you don't say that shit to the press. He put Peyton under the bus, and I lost complete respect for him. I didn't have much after the way he handled the draft in the first place, but that article was BS.

Peyton's offensive linemen probably liked the article.

[packinpatland]

"if he can handle the pain per ESPN"

He's going up against the 'Iron Man' of football, who's played with every kind of pain. That statement made me laugh outloud! :lol: :lol:
:lol:


Seperated shoulder vs sore thumb? We all think Favre's record is pretty good, but if you are hurt and you are going to hurt the team, or screw your season you should sit your ass down.

It wasn't just a 'sore thumb'.....................

First degree separation, left shoulder vs. Phi; Nov. 15, 1992 @ Chi; Nov.22,1992 W
Deep thigh bruise vs. TB; Nov. 28,1993 @ Chi; Dec.5, 1993 L
Severely bruised left hip @ Min; Oct.20,1994 @ Chi; Oct.31,1994 W
Severely sprained left ankle @ Min; Nov. 5,1995 vs. Chi: Nov.12,1995 W
Wind knocked out (twice) vs Pit; Dec.24,1995 vs. Atl; Dec.31,1995 W
Sprained thumb, right hand vs. Denver; Aug.23,1999 vs. Oak; Sept.12,1999 W
Tendinitis, left elbow (training camp) vs. NYJ; Sept.3,2000 L
Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee vs. Was; Oct. 20,2002 vs. Mia; Nov.4,2002 W
Broken thumb, right hand @ StL;Oct 19,2003 @ Min; Nov.2,2003 W

[4and12to12and4]

"if he can handle the pain per ESPN"

He's going up against the 'Iron Man' of football, who's played with every kind of pain. That statement made me laugh outloud! :lol: :lol:
:lol:


Seperated shoulder vs sore thumb? We all think Favre's record is pretty good, but if you are hurt and you are going to hurt the team, or screw your season you should sit your ass down.

It wasn't just a 'sore thumb'.....................

First degree separation, left shoulder vs. Phi; Nov. 15, 1992 @ Chi; Nov.22,1992 W
Deep thigh bruise vs. TB; Nov. 28,1993 @ Chi; Dec.5, 1993 L
Severely bruised left hip @ Min; Oct.20,1994 @ Chi; Oct.31,1994 W
Severely sprained left ankle @ Min; Nov. 5,1995 vs. Chi: Nov.12,1995 W
Wind knocked out (twice) vs Pit; Dec.24,1995 vs. Atl; Dec.31,1995 W
Sprained thumb, right hand vs. Denver; Aug.23,1999 vs. Oak; Sept.12,1999 W
Tendinitis, left elbow (training camp) vs. NYJ; Sept.3,2000 L
Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee vs. Was; Oct. 20,2002 vs. Mia; Nov.4,2002 W
Broken thumb, right hand @ StL;Oct 19,2003 @ Min; Nov.2,2003 W

Now that's impressive, and one of the reasons I believe he is the greatest QB to ever run onto a football field. Period. Not even close.

[Rastak]

"if he can handle the pain per ESPN"

He's going up against the 'Iron Man' of football, who's played with every kind of pain. That statement made me laugh outloud! :lol: :lol:
:lol:


Seperated shoulder vs sore thumb? We all think Favre's record is pretty good, but if you are hurt and you are going to hurt the team, or screw your season you should sit your ass down.

It wasn't just a 'sore thumb'.....................

First degree separation, left shoulder vs. Phi; Nov. 15, 1992 @ Chi; Nov.22,1992 W
Deep thigh bruise vs. TB; Nov. 28,1993 @ Chi; Dec.5, 1993 L
Severely bruised left hip @ Min; Oct.20,1994 @ Chi; Oct.31,1994 W
Severely sprained left ankle @ Min; Nov. 5,1995 vs. Chi: Nov.12,1995 W
Wind knocked out (twice) vs Pit; Dec.24,1995 vs. Atl; Dec.31,1995 W
Sprained thumb, right hand vs. Denver; Aug.23,1999 vs. Oak; Sept.12,1999 W
Tendinitis, left elbow (training camp) vs. NYJ; Sept.3,2000 L
Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee vs. Was; Oct. 20,2002 vs. Mia; Nov.4,2002 W
Broken thumb, right hand @ StL;Oct 19,2003 @ Min; Nov.2,2003 W

Note left shoulder, not throwing shoulder . I am friggen amazed he played after that knee injury, I thought he was done. He himself admitted if it weren't for the bye week he would have ended his streak there. You can't play on a severly sprained ankle. You can't even walk on it. I know.


I concede your point though, when he was younger, he was one tough guy. Now he's old, like the rest of us and it's pretty damn hard!

[b bulldog]

greatest ever :roll:

[b bulldog]

I love Brady but even I must give some bigtime props to Manning. He really seems to get better evry year. He will obliterate the record book and since he has already won a SB, he will be the games greatest qb :cry:

[HarveyWallbangers]

First degree separation, left shoulder vs. Phi; Nov. 15, 1992 @ Chi; Nov.22,1992 W
Deep thigh bruise vs. TB; Nov. 28,1993 @ Chi; Dec.5, 1993 L
Severely bruised left hip @ Min; Oct.20,1994 @ Chi; Oct.31,1994 W
Severely sprained left ankle @ Min; Nov. 5,1995 vs. Chi: Nov.12,1995 W
Wind knocked out (twice) vs Pit; Dec.24,1995 vs. Atl; Dec.31,1995 W
Sprained thumb, right hand vs. Denver; Aug.23,1999 vs. Oak; Sept.12,1999 W
Tendinitis, left elbow (training camp) vs. NYJ; Sept.3,2000 L
Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee vs. Was; Oct. 20,2002 vs. Mia; Nov.4,2002 W
Broken thumb, right hand @ StL;Oct 19,2003 @ Min; Nov.2,2003 W

Some of these are extremely understated also.

The shoulder separation is probably the reason why Reggie White signed with Philadelphia. Well, besides God. Reggie is the one that separated it, and he said any other QB would have been out of the game.

Severely sprained ankle was a high ankle sprain. Looked like no chance he'd play.

He played with the tendinitis in his elbow tendinits most of the 1999 season.

He played with a splint on his throwing hand (for the broken thumb) for at least half the season.

"Wind knocked out" vs. Pittsburgh? That's the game that Kevin Greene belted him. He spit up blood, called timeout, and threw a TD on the next play.

Can't forget the TD he threw to Javon Walker after suffering the concussion vs. the Giants a few years ago.

[4and12to12and4]

I love Brady but even I must give some bigtime props to Manning. He really seems to get better evry year. He will obliterate the record book and since he has already won a SB, he will be the games greatest qb :cry:

Manning has WAY too much talent around him and great coaches and "cameras" to even compare him to Favre. Part of Favre's greatness as a football player is his toughness and resiliency. My god, did you see the friggin' time Peyton had to pass in Thursdays game? Aprrox. 5 seconds per play. Give Favre that much time he throws 5 touchdowns and runs for two. Apples and oranges. He is successful because of his line, why do you think that when the "great" Addai went down, his rookie replacement ended up with over 6 yards a carry in his absence. Edgerrin James was a "stud" until he went to a team with a lesser line, and he is shit now. Don't get me wrong, he has a very accurate arm, but he has had the same offensive lineman (except the new tackle who did well) and receivers for fifty years. Imagine if Brett had Javon and Sterling for seven straight years with that offensive line, he would have passed Marino 4 years ago and probably had 5 superbowl rings. Peyton isn't the "complete package" that Brett is, and Favre is all in all better.

[Rastak]

First degree separation, left shoulder vs. Phi; Nov. 15, 1992 @ Chi; Nov.22,1992 W
Deep thigh bruise vs. TB; Nov. 28,1993 @ Chi; Dec.5, 1993 L
Severely bruised left hip @ Min; Oct.20,1994 @ Chi; Oct.31,1994 W
Severely sprained left ankle @ Min; Nov. 5,1995 vs. Chi: Nov.12,1995 W
Wind knocked out (twice) vs Pit; Dec.24,1995 vs. Atl; Dec.31,1995 W
Sprained thumb, right hand vs. Denver; Aug.23,1999 vs. Oak; Sept.12,1999 W
Tendinitis, left elbow (training camp) vs. NYJ; Sept.3,2000 L
Sprained lateral collateral ligament, left knee vs. Was; Oct. 20,2002 vs. Mia; Nov.4,2002 W
Broken thumb, right hand @ StL;Oct 19,2003 @ Min; Nov.2,2003 W

Some of these are extremely understated also.

The shoulder separation is probably the reason why Reggie White signed with Philadelphia. Well, besides God. Reggie is the one that separated it, and he said any other QB would have been out of the game.

Severely sprained ankle was a high ankle sprain. Looked like no chance he'd play.

He played with the tendinitis in his elbow tendinits most of the 1999 season.

He played with a splint on his throwing hand (for the broken thumb) for at least half the season.

"Wind knocked out" vs. Pittsburgh? That's the game that Kevin Greene belted him. He spit up blood, called timeout, and threw a TD on the next play.

Can't forget the TD he threw to Javon Walker after suffering the concussion vs. the Giants a few years ago.


I assume you meant Green Bay on the free agent thing. The TD after the concussion was a trip. He looked loopy as hell. Sherman should have been incarcerated for not seeing he was out of it before putting him back in the game. Helluva play though. I was amazed as I was watching it. Pure instinct I guess. Helluva play.

[b bulldog]

Strongly disagree. I am not going down this road but manning is the best every down QB I've seen. He makes all of the throws. Once again, I am not going there but Manning is just awesome and I am no big Manning fan. Brett is a tough player who will be one of the alltimers but what holds Brett back is what he has above the shoulders, no disrespect intended. This is the last place where I'd expect an unbiased opinion on this so I am done with this. I have beaten my head against this brickwall too many times and I'm not going there.

[MadtownPacker]

I concede your point though, when he was younger, he was one tough guy. Now he's old, like the rest of us and it's pretty damn hard!Listen you long haired freak, he led the LEAGUE in TDs in 2003 playing more then half the season with a broken thumb on his throwing hand!!

How many QBs would even have played with that injury? Nuff said!

[Rastak]

I concede your point though, when he was younger, he was one tough guy. Now he's old, like the rest of us and it's pretty damn hard!Listen you long haired freak, he led the LEAGUE in TDs in 2003 playing more then half the season with a broken thumb on his throwing hand!!

How many QBs would even have played with that injury? Nuff said!

4 years ago, mi amigo. He's OLD like me now. Anyway, I was in the camp that said he SHOULDN'T have played with that injury. He shook his hand after every throw for a year and a half!

[MJZiggy]

He may have shook the hand, but he did make the throws.

[MadtownPacker]

4 years ago, mi amigo. He's OLD like me now. Anyway, I was in the camp that said he SHOULDN'T have played with that injury. He shook his hand after every throw for a year and a half!Yes he is OLD like you But unlike you he hasn't missed a game or suffered an injury that has stopped him during the last four years and you did it playing tennis!!!

At this point it is all gravy for him. Current starting streak: #1 Favre, #2 Manning, #3 Brady and #4 lil Manning. How the hell is the old man even mentioned with the young guns of today? He is from another time and yet he is still one of the better Qbs in the league. Dude is a freak of nature.

[Rastak]

4 years ago, mi amigo. He's OLD like me now. Anyway, I was in the camp that said he SHOULDN'T have played with that injury. He shook his hand after every throw for a year and a half!Yes he is OLD like you But unlike you he hasn't missed a game or suffered an injury that has stopped him during the last four years and you did it playing tennis!!!

At this point it is all gravy for him. Current starting streak: #1 Favre, #2 Manning, #3 Brady and #4 lil Manning. How the hell is the old man even mentioned with the young guns of today? He is from another time and yet he is still one of the better Qbs in the league. Dude is a freak of nature.


Hey, I came back! I played tennis for two hours tonight with the ankle taped up.

Yea, his streak is amazing.

[MadtownPacker]

Hey, I came back! I played tennis for two hours tonight with the ankle taped up.Youre a warrior.












:lol:

[HarveyWallbangers]

Here's what Favre looked like after Kevin Greene hit him. He spit up blood. They called timeout. Didn't miss a play. Threw a TD on the next play.

http://packerrats.com/gallery/media/Brett_Favre11.jpg

[Rastak]

Here's what Favre looked like after Kevin Greene hit him. He spit up blood. They called timeout. Didn't miss a play. Threw a TD on the next play.

http://packerrats.com/gallery/media/Brett_Favre11.jpg


Was that recently or ages ago...?


Yea, I always thought he was a really tough guy. The last few years he barks alot when he gets hit which took away a bit of the superhero stuff. Don't jump on me, I'm just telling you what I see. It's just my opnion.
I'm sure people have valid counter arguments. I'm not ripping on the guy either. I'm also not asking certain people to start immediate comparisons to other players, let's keep it on topic.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vikings fan have been jealous of the guy for a long time. Your comments on Favre (he's washed up, T-Jack has a better passer rating, he's not tough anymore, posting the latest dig on Favre for PFT, etc.) are tame compared to what I usually hear and have heard for the last 15 years. I hear it on KFAN in the early morning, late morning, late afternoon, and evening. I can read it on RubeChat on the KFAN website. I used to hear it a lot from co-workers, family and friends also, but that's died down over the years. Now, it's begrudging respect for him. Still have people that call him Fav-rah--like it bothers me or something.

[Rastak]

Vikings fan have been jealous of the guy for a long time. Your comments on Favre (he's washed up, T-Jack has a better passer rating, he's not tough anymore, posting the latest dig on Favre for PFT, etc.) are tame compared to what I usually hear and have heard for the last 15 years. I hear it on KFAN in the early morning, late morning, late afternoon, and evening. I can read it on RubeChat on the KFAN website. I used to hear it a lot from co-workers, family and friends also, but that's died down over the years. Now, it's begrudging respect for him. Still have people that call him Fav-rah--like it bothers me or something.


I KNEW you couldn't keep on topic. I wish the hell I could have put $1000 bucks on it. Damn. I was 100% sure and you delivered in spades. You tried to shift the discussion and change the topic as your usual MO. (I still think you're ok Harv).

I admit I was jealous of the guy years ago. If you think I am now you are sadly mistaken. Is he better than my teams guy right now? I just don't know. Let's chat after week 8. I'm guessing he matches up quite well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is he better than my teams guy right now?

By far. If your team had Favre, they'd probably be the favorites in the NFC North.

[Rastak]

Is he better than my teams guy right now?

By far. If your team had Favre, they'd probably be the favorites in the NFC North.


Could be, but I doubt it....Da Bears are clearly getting all the press for good reason.

[HarveyWallbangers]

(I still think you're ok Harv).

Just OK? I thought we were buds.
:D

I enjoy the hell of discussing these things with you. We are both passionate. We are both defensive. I do the same things you do here on the KFAN board... although not very often. You just like to call me out on my defensiveness more. The feelings you get when coming to this board are the same feelings I've been dealing with for the last 20 years. (Damn, 20 years since I moved here.) It's been a lot easier the last 15 years than it was the first 5 years. 1996 and 1997 had a lot to do with that.

[Rastak]

(I still think you're ok Harv).

Just OK? I thought we were buds.
:D

I enjoy the hell of discussing these things with you. We are both passionate. We are both defensive. I do the same things you do here on the KFAN board... although not very often. You just like to call me out on my defensiveness more. The feelings you get when coming to this board are the same feelings I've been dealing with for the last 20 years. (Damn, 20 years since I moved here.) It's been a lot easier the last 15 years than it was the first 5 years. 1996 and 1997 had a lot to do with that.



Something interesting to consider. I guess we both are defensive. I still think you are more defensive...LOL....after thinking about all the debates, I think I'm sort of an idiot for saying that.....you may be right, although I don't throw the Packer card as fast as you throw the Viking card. Maybe that;s because last year, the Packers did indeed have the edge. Or maybe my math sucks.....

[DannoMac21]

Is he better than my teams guy right now?

By far. If your team had Favre, they'd probably be the favorites in the NFC North.


Could be, but I doubt it....Da Bears are clearly getting all the press for good reason.

You kidding me? Did you not see that offense (by the Bears) in week 1? Pitiful.

[BallHawk]

To give them the benefit of the doubt, they were playing the Chargers.

They're clearly the team to beat in the NFC.

[the_idle_threat]

I didn't see Favre "barking" about all the hits he took from the Eagles.

And hell--I call him Fav-rah once in a while. That's supposed to be a dig? Whoops! :oops:

[Lurker64]

And hell--I call him Fav-rah once in a while. That's supposed to be a dig? Whoops! :oops:

I never saw it as a dig, it's how our QBs distant ancestors pronounced their/his name. How is it a dig?

[the_idle_threat]

And hell--I call him Fav-rah once in a while. That's supposed to be a dig? Whoops! :oops:

I never saw it as a dig, it's how our QBs distant ancestors pronounced their/his name. How is it a dig?

Well, I never thought of it as a dig either, but I guess I can see where it's a subtle sign of disrespect if said in a particular tone of voice---to intentionally mispronounce somebody's name as if they're not improtant enough for people to know the correct pronunciation.

It's the kind of funny, because from what I understand, everyone mispronounces Favre's name anyway, including me. I know I remember hearing years ago that the "v" is supposed to be silent. Yet you always hear it pronounced like "Farve".

[woodbuck27]

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/column.asp?sport=NFL&column=77&articleid=28950

Manning's Murky Status

The reports on Eli Manning's shoulder injury continue to contradict themselves and make his status nearly impossible to decipher.

Early this week, most New York-based media outlets were consistent in reporting that Manning was day-to-day with a shoulder sprain and had a chance to play in Week 2. On the other hand, ESPN and NFL Network were just as consistent in reporting that Manning had a separated shoulder that will keep him sidelined for multiple games.

Slowly but surely various newspapers are beginning to lean more towards the ESPN/NFL Network version of Manning's status. According to the New York Daily News, team physician Dr. Russell Warren and Dr. James Andrews have both given Manning a 3-4 week recovery timetable. As the newspaper offered Thursday: "That seems to confirm a report that has been running all week on ESPN, despite vehement denials from" the Giants.

The newspaper also quotes an unnamed team source as saying, "I'm hearing conflicting things. I don't know what to believe anymore." At best, it sounds like Manning will be a game-time decision for a tough matchup against the Packers' underrated pass defense. At worst, he's out for at least one week and the Giants are doing their best to conceal his true status. Whatever the case, the one thing that's clear is that you'll want to prepare for a different QB1 option in Week 2.

While the Daily News points out that the Giants insisted on calling Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, and Michael Strahan "day-to-day" before they missed huge chunks of last season with major injuries,